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Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by bluefilm: 10:19am On Jan 25, 2020
allthingsgood:
Pdp is a useless agbero party grin
Is pdp still existing?
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by adanny01(m): 10:35am On Jan 25, 2020
zoedew:
See, the way it goes in law and in court is this: you say a thing and provide evidence in support and it is taken as proved unless your opponent denies what you say and provides something to discredit your evidence. Neither INEC nor Ihedioha did so. The result in law is that Uzodinma has proved his case. In the law of evidence it is called the burden of proof.
To be specific, Uzodinma produced Duplicate original of the results, 28 witnesses and the police witness corroborated. Uzodinma's case was considered proven by the court.

The onus was on Ihedioha, PDP and INEC to provide proof that the documents were fake. They failed to do that.

The fact was that the lawyers to the defendants knew that the appellant's documents were original. If they submit any document that will contradict those original copies, they could be setting themselves up for committing a crime of electoral fraud. So they simply didnot produce any document. The lower courts played to the tune of the defendants lawyers intrigues.

The problem of this country is that someone or some people have escaped with the crime of electoral fraud. Ihedioha is free, INEC is free, PDP is free when one or all of them colluded to commit electoral fraud. In saner climes, that will be the focus at this moment. We need to find out how, when and who removed those votes, prosecute the culprits and amend the electoral process accordingly to forestall future occurance. The judgement means an electoral fraud was committed but its not relevant since justice was delivered, the justice is not enough, it ought to be pursued to the end.

Next elections, another person will do same thing and test it in court. When the fraud is not our concern, it will keep happening till we focus on it.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 10:37am On Jan 25, 2020
Neoteny:
So I'm guessing you know more more law than seven seasoned justices of the supreme court, even as everyone with a brain agrees their judgment is sound?
So why does uproar surround only this judgement?
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by adanny01(m): 10:45am On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
So why does uproar surround only this judgement?
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!
Intrigues of lawyers, that was all it was. You cant condemn something that the court found original without presenting counter evidence.

Isnt this the reason Buhari still has a certificate when the outcry wants to say different.

The court is not about what lawyers say, its about facts and evidence.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 10:46am On Jan 25, 2020
adanny01:
To be specific, Uzodinma produced Duplicate original of the results, 28 witnesses and the police witness corroborated. Uzodinma's case was considered proven by the court.

The onus was on Ihedioha, PDP and INEC to provide proof that the documents were fake. They failed to do that.

The fact was that the lawyers to the defendants knew that the appellant's documents were original. If they submit any document that will contradict those original copies, they could be setting themselves up for committing a crime of electoral fraud. So they simply didnot produce any document. The lower courts played to the tune of the defendants lawyers intrigues.

The problem of this country is that someone or some people have escaped with the crime of electoral fraud. Ihedioha is free, INEC is free, PDP is free when one or all of them colluded to commit electoral fraud. In saner climes, that will be the focus at this moment. We need to find out how, when and who removed those votes, prosecute the culprits and amend the electoral process accordingly to forestall future occurance. The judgement means an electoral fraud was committed but its not relevant since justice was delivered, the justice is not enough, it ought to be pursued to the end.

Next elections, another person will do same thing and test it in court. When the fraud is not our concern, it will keep happening till we focus on it.
No, the onus is on the SC to at least examine the documents (which were the SOLE reason for the judgment) before taking the absolutely extreme step of replacing a seating gov.
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 10:50am On Jan 25, 2020
adanny01:
Intrigues of lawyers, that was all it was. You cant condemn something that the court found original without presenting counter evidence.

Isnt this the reason Buhari still has a certificate when the outcry wants to say different.

The court is not about what lawyers say, its about facts and evidence.
You can’t find something original without EXAMINING it. You also take into account that with acceptance of the documents the electoral figures no longer add up!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by adanny01(m): 10:58am On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
You can’t find something original without EXAMINING it. You also take into account that with acceptance of the documents the electoral figures no longer add up!
Everytime you submit your WAEC certificate, it must be examined for authentication right.

Why do you think result sheets are clearly labeled and have security features?

And you think Ihedioha is a fool to forge a document and take to court. Do you know that act can put him to jail worsening his case.

If his documents are fake, the police witness documents that corroborated are also fake. Come to think of it, where is the original.

Why didn't the 2 lower courts say the documents were fake?
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Neoteny(m): 11:00am On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
So why does uproar surround only this judgement?
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!
The only uproar is from the PDP and its merry band of cotravelers. And their furor died down when the supreme court released its judgment, which I'm doubting you thoroughly read.

As long as PDP could not provide proof that the results from the 388 PUs were fake, and inec could not provide proof that they had the originals, and neither could discredit the elections in the 388 units, the evidence stands in favor of APC.

There's this PDP mentality that for every election case they lose, it was the judiciary being compromised, and for each one they win, it's the judiciary being fair and just.

PDP has this entitlement mentality, and no matter how you people disparage the courts and justices, the truth remains that facts trump emotions.

Why didn't APC call out the judges when they said PDP won Bauchi?
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Basher8583: 11:02am On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
I read the judgement. No where does it say that any attempt was made to establish the authenticity of the documents even when INEC (who supposedly issued them) had clearly stated they were not authentic AND it was clear that including them would make for impossible math!
So why didn't you go to court to defend Ihedioha since you know more than him, his lawyers and INEC
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Basher8583: 11:04am On Jan 25, 2020
zoedew:
See, the way it goes in law and in court is this: you say a thing and provide evidence in support and it is taken as proved unless your opponent denies what you say and provides something to discredit your evidence. Neither INEC nor Ihedioha did so. The result in law is that Uzodinma has proved his case. In the law of evidence it is called the burden of proof.
Don't mind those pdp folks. Intelligence is so far from them. They thrive more on sentiments
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Kpoikpoi: 11:08am On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
Mention another instance in Nigerian judicial history where the SC ruled against all lower courts AND INEC itself in other to immediately remove a seating governor - all based on clearly questionable, uncollaborated, and unauthenticated documents supplied solely by the plaintiff himself!!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Kpoikpoi: 11:09am On Jan 25, 2020
Jeep crying then or go to World Court.
Loser.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Staro: 11:14am On Jan 25, 2020
Iamgrey5:
Wike vs ABE In 2015

Zamfara in 2019
Why are all Buhari's supporters so dumb and brainless?

What do you mean by "Wike vs Abe 2015"?
Did Wike (governor) ever had any legal battle with Abe (Senator) in 2015?
Maybe the case only existed in your dream

And for your information, in the case of Zamfara, all the two lower courts ruled against APC.
(The federal high court Abuja and the federal Appeal court Sokoto). It was so obvious even to
the blind that APC were going to lose Zamfara.


Oga, it's not a must to contribute in a forum.

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Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Iamgrey5(m): 12:44pm On Jan 25, 2020
Staro:
Why are all Buhari's supporters so dumb and brainless?

What do you mean by "Wike vs Abe 2015"?
Did Wike (governor) ever had any legal battle with Abe (Senator) in 2015?
Maybe the case only existed in your dream

And for your information, in the case of Zamfara, all the two lower courts ruled against APC.
(The federal high court Abuja and the federal Appeal court Sokoto). It was so obvious even to
the blind that APC were going to lose Zamfara.


Oga, it's not a must to contribute in a forum.

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Wike Vs the APC candidate that Justice Kere Ekun pronounced the judgment in favour of Wike despite evidence that there was no election and over voting.


https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/10/24/breaking-tribunal-sacks-wike-as-rivers-governor/

https://newsofnigeria.com/rivers-election-tribunal-wike-loses-at-appeal-court/

Wike lost both in the Tribunal and Appeal but managed to win at the supreme court.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Yusman316(m): 1:28pm On Jan 25, 2020
berrystunn:
You want inec to provide something that did not exit?


Government magic
One can easily get a result from all the units inec did not cover ... How will inec challenge it ?

The case is re-run case
With government magic, they can provide 200 reason to favour who ever they wash to favour. (Corruption) inec material is not 100% secure


People way no know dey happy.

People wey know them dey look
-fela
So u are saying inec did not conduct elections in those polling units, but can't prove that the said elections didn't hold. So who then do u think is at fault, if inec can't prove what they assert?
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by HRMK: 1:34pm On Jan 25, 2020
if any1 takes time to go through the verdict,there wont be any complaint!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Yusman316(m): 1:39pm On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
So why does uproar surround only this judgement?
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!
My brother with all the thorough explanations this gentleman has been making to u, u are still arguing up and down incoherently. Just say your issue is, the judgement went APC's way. We all know it's not about the judges not giving the right judgement, but who the judgement favored
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by berrystunn(m): 1:54pm On Jan 25, 2020
Yusman316:
So u are saying inec did not conduct elections in those polling units, but can't prove that the said elections didn't hold. So who then do u think is at fault, if inec can't prove what they assert?
Brother, if you know you know..

Government magic.
The other way round, they will not recognize what (ince) did not confirm and approve.
Like I said they will give you 200 reason why they did so.

People wen know know go day happy,

People wen know go day look.


You already notice the silent .



Government understand Nigerians know how to move on and easily forget, like what led to 1966 coup was corruption and also led to the civil war.

The corruption did not stop till America reminded us about corruption in 2015, that PDP is corrupt we should get rid of the government. We all started shouting corruption, corruption.

The corruption now is even more higher then what we had before.

Government magic continue....
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by ChoCho54(f): 2:00pm On Jan 25, 2020
Jack500:
U said worse concerning Buhari, u can finally kill urself in 2023, when Osibanjo become the president.
Imagine comparing buhari with osunbande. Does osunbande have 12m alimajiri votes locked up in a box? grin
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 2:04pm On Jan 25, 2020
Yusman316:
My brother with all the thorough explanations this gentleman has been making to u, u are still arguing up and down incoherently. Just say your issue is, the judgement went APC's way. We all know it's not about the judges not giving the right judgement, but who the judgement favored
Totally wrong. I am totally unbiased, maybe leaning very slightly APC.
Any unbiased person with any sense of fairness and justice would fault this judgment.

Maybe u didn’t see my post below. So I’m reposting it. Combine it with the fact that the documents amounted to impossible electoral math then ask yourself how such convoluted material could possibly be the SOLE basis for the prompt replacement of a sitting gov by the same man who came up with the said questionable materials and who came 4th in said election!

[[ The onus is on the SC to at least examine the documents (which were the SOLE reason for the judgment) before taking the absolutely extreme step of replacing a seating gov!
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLELY on those same documents which were solely supplied by the appellant himself and which INEC had sworn were not authentic??!!]]
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by zoedew: 2:25pm On Jan 25, 2020
Basher8583:
Don't mind those pdp folks. Intelligence is so far from them. They thrive more on sentiments
Maybe. But for me this is not about partisan politicking as it is about law, logic and common sense.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by zoedew: 2:35pm On Jan 25, 2020
adanny01:
To be specific, Uzodinma produced Duplicate original of the results, 28 witnesses and the police witness corroborated. Uzodinma's case was considered proven by the court.

The onus was on Ihedioha, PDP and INEC to provide proof that the documents were fake. They failed to do that.

The fact was that the lawyers to the defendants knew that the appellant's documents were original. If they submit any document that will contradict those original copies, they could be setting themselves up for committing a crime of electoral fraud. So they simply didnot produce any document. The lower courts played to the tune of the defendants lawyers intrigues.

The problem of this country is that someone or some people have escaped with the crime of electoral fraud. Ihedioha is free, INEC is free, PDP is free when one or all of them colluded to commit electoral fraud. In saner climes, that will be the focus at this moment. We need to find out how, when and who removed those votes, prosecute the culprits and amend the electoral process accordingly to forestall future occurance. The judgement means an electoral fraud was committed but its not relevant since justice was delivered, the justice is not enough, it ought to be pursued to the end.

Next elections, another person will do same thing and test it in court. When the fraud is not our concern, it will keep happening till we focus on it.
My post to which you responded was intentionally that simplified to make it easier to comprehend by folks who appeared to find the finer points of law previously stated by me in my earlier posts.
That the judgment gives leeway for electoral fraud is not hidden from a lawyer. Uwais report is gathering dust in government archives implemented. One would expect Labour to push for its implementation to ensure that the choice of the people get into government but all they know to do is ask for wage increase that is meaningless in the face of bad governance by politicians whose elections are questionable.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by Basher8583: 2:46pm On Jan 25, 2020
zoedew:
Maybe. But for me this is not about partisan politicking as it is about law, logic and common sense.
Well you are getting the lackadaisical response from these people because of sentiments and partisan political stand which at that stage, common sense, law and logic is far from people in this category
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by garfield1: 2:56pm On Jan 25, 2020
Yusman316:
My brother with all the thorough explanations this gentleman has been making to u, u are still arguing up and down incoherently. Just say your issue is, the judgement went APC's way. We all know it's not about the judges not giving the right judgement, but who the judgement favored
Gbam,thats it
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 5:01pm On Jan 25, 2020
garfield1:
Gbam,thats it
Any unbiased person with a robust sense of fairness would have a problem with this SC ruling.

BOTTOM LINE - You don’t lightly remove a gov and hand the seat to a person that came fourth. If u must do so make sure the documentary basis for your action are authenticated, collaborated, totally above board, and beyond reproach!
In this case not only do the documents look totally faulty, INEC itself swore they were inauthentic. PLUS, adding figures from them would make for quite ridiculous electoral totals!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by xpmode(m): 6:20pm On Jan 25, 2020
A South-East governor was heard saying: “I cannot be a party to mudslinging against the Judiciary. We warned some of those behind the protest to think of tomorrow.”
This is the truth, we should not be rubbishing our National Institution just because of Politics.

Clinton knew she was rigged out in the election but remained silent to protect US dignity.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 6:30pm On Jan 25, 2020
xpmode:
This is the truth, we should not be rubbishing our National Institution just because of Politics.

Clinton knew she was rigged out in the election but remained silent to protect US dignity.
It is cowardice to keep quiet in the face of injustice or to not point out evidence that an institution might be compromised.

Besides, Clinton was not rigged out at all. She handily won the popular vote but lost the electoral college vote!
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by xpmode(m): 7:52pm On Jan 25, 2020
CanadaOrBust:
It is cowardice to keep quiet in the face of injustice or to not point out evidence that an institution might be compromised.

Besides, Clinton was not rigged out at all. She handily won the popular vote but lost the electoral college vote!
You might want to define your injustice as regard to the case.
INEC officials who run independently in the state messed up Election result, SC pass judgement based on fact presented before them where is the injustice.
Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by alaira(m): 8:28pm On Jan 25, 2020
solmusdesigns:
cool



Umahi is APC, same as Ugwuanyi, Wike is also looking to port since Jonathan is also one leg in... Ikpeazu is very loyal to Cabal and he displayed his loyalty by proscribing IPOB

[i]This is Politics, and everyone is fighting for their own survival, and trying not to end up in Jail like Orji Uzor Kalu

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Re: Ihedioha: Why PDP Governors Stayed Away From Street Protest by CanadaOrBust: 9:42pm On Jan 25, 2020
xpmode:
You might want to define your injustice as regard to the case.
INEC officials who run independently in the state messed up Election result, SC pass judgement based on fact presented before them where is the injustice.
Definition of injustice is when u present clearly questionable and obviously faulty documents that INEC has sworn are inauthentic, then without examining those documents, and based SOLELY on those documents, a Supreme Court orders immediate removal of a gov, to be replaced by a fourth place finisher, the sole person who supplied the questionable documents.

That is the definition of injustice.
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