budaatum:

Lol! You must think not using one's brain when reading the Bible applies to the instructions that you give too. I wonder how better to show you to rely on the evidence in front of you instead of thinking everyone is brain dead like your are.

Well, watch me not obey you. Its called using one's own brain and data.

budaatum:

Do you understand your Bible, and do you reason at all? Or is it your claim that you are not even responsible for your own misunderstanding?

Please explain how I get thrown into hell (according to the Bible), for "murders, rapes, abusers" if "according to (your understanding of) the bible your god does know everything and thus is responsible for all murders, rapes, abusers etc"?

Tamaratonye1:

So now your trolling is obvious. I gave you clear and cogent quotes from your bible that refute your assertions.

You didn't answer.

I never mentioned hell. I do not believe in a religious hell . the rest of your 'answer' is a non sequitur.

You should answer each verse.

Bacteriologist:


Seeing the evidence of God every where is not an evidence in itself. That is just a statement you have made that YOU see the evidence of God everywhere. You still haven't presented your evidence. You only said you see it.


Human body being a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim born from ignorance. A miracle is an event/something that is deemed greater than the natural (i.e supernatural). A miracle would be a suspension of natural laws.

The human body has been proven to have formed as a result of completely natural processes and not supernatural processes. So your assertion that the human body is a miracle is indeed incredibly mistaken, false and demonstrably so.

That definitely is NOT proof for any god. Talk less of being a proof for the Christian God. The simple assertion that we observe living things and use that observation as hints and markers to invent artificial objects is not in any way an evidence for any god.

It is merely a statement that we can look at naturally existing things and subsequently, deduce artificial things from those natural things.


Wrong. You have made yet another fallacy here.
A non-sequitur fallacy.

That is like saying "Oh if Nairaland mimics Facebook by introducing a like button because Facebook has a like button, then Facebook must be designed by application-designing aliens."

Do you see your error?

Your conclusion is in no way relevant to the observation you made. The fact that we mimic natural things to act as models for designing artificial things does NOT mean that those natural things MUST or DID, in fact, have a creator.

Also the fact that YOU see no reason to accept that complex things may not have a creator does not AUTOMATICALLY mean that complex things do have a creator.

It only means that YOU cannot fathom the possibility that a creator is NOT needed for the things that exist.

For you to be justified in the belief that you hold, you will still have to DEMONSTRATE why anything that is complex must have a creator. Including God as well. Because you very well admit that God is complex. So if God is complex who created god? Since everything that is complex must have a creator. By your logic...

There is no precision in the universe. Everything that happens is as a direct consequence of the implications of random physical interactions.
Although these interactions are governed by physical laws, they happen completely randomly.

Example: Water exists because 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen forms what we call water. It's not like the universe brings hydrogen and oxygen together to form water. It is just a consequence of having 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen. In a case where we have 2 atoms of hydrogen and also 2 atoms of oxygen you would get a different consequence: hydrogen peroxide.

If a different element happened to be more abundant(than carbon) on earth for example, it is entirely possible that a living species that was not carbon based could have formed.

We are here because of the series of reactions and interactions that have happened. If a slight change of events occurred, it is totally and entirely possible that the building blocks of life could have taken a completely different path.

And we would have life that was ..let's say.. silicone based(and probably they too would wrongly think the universe was fine tuned for the creation of silicon-based life like you're doing) or something like that.

There is no goal or order than the universe. As the famous Steve Hawkins quote says, "If the universe is fine-tuned for anything, it is for the creation of black holes." -Not life.

You would have to substantiate your belief with evidence that supernatural beings did exist before I can accept your claim as justified or remotely and demonstrably true.

I appreciate the fact that you call them mythologies. Because a global flood has been proven to be false by Geologists for various reasons.

1. There is not enough volume of water needed to flood the whole landscape on earth and rise enough to kill all life including the ones present on trees and very tall mountains.

2. The atmosphere cannot sustain the amount of water vapour that would be enough to make rainfall for 40 days and 40 nights straight all over the planet.


There are more but for brevity, I won't list them here. If you need more, kindly let me know.

It is logical to conclude that all the animals that are present on earth today were present in the ark. Except if God created all these animals we see after the flood which the Bible clearly didn't state.

So as a continuation of the reasons mentioned above, I'm curious to how

3. Noah managed to get all the animals we have in the world today into the ark in PAIRS.

4. How he managed to keep those animals among them who only thrive under certain specific conditions. E.g Antarctica Penguins.

5.. How he fed the carnivores and herbivores. I'm more curious to how he fed the carnivores because you can say he cultivated plants to feed the herbivores. What did he feed lions leopards cheetahs with? Since he only took a pair of their food which will be mostly gazelles.

6. How he was able to control that size of a zoo with just himself and his family without the prior knowledge of keeping wildlife.

Again, you cannot appeal to the supernatural as an explanation of a natural. The supernatural is something that is greater than the natural. More accurately the suspension of a natural process or order.

And we have proven that a lot of things that happen are as a result of natural processes so appeals to supernatural explanation are not required anymore.

it's like saying thunder is caused by the god of thunder when we can totally explain how charges in the cloud produce sound energy. Is supernatural explanation is not needed because we can use a natural explanation and PROVE it.

An all-knowing god granting freewill would be self-contradicting.

Omniscient = Knowing ALL what would happen BEFOREHAND. Including knowing ALL what your creation will do after you created them.

So the creation is only ACTING OUT what the creator had predetermined or known beforehand.

It looks to the creation like he has free-will but the creator knew what he was going to do anyway. It wasn't actually "free" will.

Therefore, a free will creation cannot coexist with an omniscient/all-knowing creator.

budaatum:

I'm glad my trolling is obvious. It might make you use your brain instead of believing non sequiturs that you create inside your own head and claim is inside the head of others.

Did you not see verses in the Bible that read "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not covet they neighbours goods"? If people take it like you claim they do or should, would they steal or commit murder?

I advise you become an atheist. Evidence might matter to you instead of crap you create inside your head and chose to believe.

Tamaratonye1:

So, not having any answers to the verses in your books that clearly and unequivocally state that your supposed god is responsible for everything including all the "evil" in the world you resort to straw man arguments, non sequiturs and nonsense, including the attempted, but failed, ad hominem.

Bacteriologist:
Seeing the evidence of God every where is not an evidence in itself. That is just a statement you have made that YOU see the evidence of God everywhere. You still haven't presented your evidence. You only said you see it.


Human body being a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim born from ignorance. A miracle is an event/something that is deemed greater than the natural (i.e supernatural). A miracle would be a suspension of natural laws.

The human body has been proven to have formed as a result of completely natural processes and not supernatural processes. So your assertion that the human body is a miracle is indeed incredibly mistaken, false and demonstrably so.

JMAN05:
Mimic humans and create a human like me "with a conscience", then I will take you serious. Till then, this continuous to be my evidence of a Higher Intelligent Designer.

Good. Create life from nonliving thing, then i can take you serious.

MuttleyLaff:
You do know, you can go to blazes with your worthless worship, that your nobody needs and nobody will miss when you hold it back, lol.

You're correct, it is the god of this world, the devil, who led A&E to open the Pandora box and thereafter unleash the whole wide world with the evils it unrestrainedly released out.

"Those who love thy law (i.e. for example, dont eat the fruit) have great peace,
and nothing causes them to stumble."
- Psalms 119:165

Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, he that is without sin, let him cast a first stone, but then try the following questions for size. Lets from your replies find out somethings, lol.

1/ Did God force anyone's hand, did God drag anyone by the legs to go commit evil hmm?
2/ Has God ever at all advised you to do something evil?
3/ Have you Bacteriologist, an example of any living creature with breath of life in it, you have created or are capable of creating, lol, smh, hmm?
4/ Do you always like standing on a wobbly table with uneven legs and be shaking it, lol?

Fine, but then be looking forward to a fate that someone with your attitude deserves, lol.

Look around you, even your existence has God's signature written all over, on and around you

I am not obliged to prove you anything about whether A&E existed or not, neither about they did/didnt do the things the Bible said they did. You have the right and choice to take or not take, the Bible by its words, lol

It doesnt stop me sleeping soundly

You know what, when you have created, hmm, let me think of something very simple now, yeah, say, a common little mosquito, then you can climb your moral high ground, but until then for now all you're doing is having a moral rage and what that does, is, it limits your correct and clear view of God.

You see, Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, you live in an immoral glasshouse, yet you start throwing moral stones at imaginary immoral glass houses while standing on the moral quicksand of the moral high ground, lol. It doesnt get hilariously better than this. The moral high ground can be a treacherous place, lol. Dont worry, if all that went over your head, lol, it will need a moment, for you to cop on lol

JMAN05:
The anus is on you to disprove my position. Tell me why complex thing like aeroplane can pop out from nowhere

JMAN05:
You are describing total omniscience. I dont believe God is such. He is inherently omniscient. Again, He has not predestined all humans. Our lives are not ruled by fate. We are responsible for our actions.

True, some believe God is totally omniscient, I dont subscribe to that.

Bacteriologist:

You still haven't answered my question. 4000+ religions say that they are god is the true god and their message about god is the true message about god..
How do we determine which one is correct and which one is false? how do we determine which one is telling the truth or which one is lying?
Do we just go with the one we are born into (which I assume with a certain level of confidence is in your case and that of many others)?
If not, how did you come to a conclusion that Christianity is the true one and that the others are false?
Because you only sound like "Oh I'm going to point out a possible fallacy here while also committing another fallacy by saying that the messages of an eternal god who wants us to know the truth could have been manipulated and distorted by humans."
By saying that you're assuming that God only communicates once and goes into hiding afterwards thereby leaving humans to be able to twist and misinterpret his messages.
As a Christian that will be dishonest, because the average christian really believes that god still talks to us till today.
So if we have a dead man who is still able to communicate about how we actually died I don't see how his message can be twisted.
But your analogy to compare God to a dead man actually looks on point. God has a lot of properties that are similar to that of a dead man who no longer exists and can't do anything.
I don't believe that there can be anything like a true religion because I don't accept that there's any God to have a religion for in the first place.

budaatum:

Are you some pastor perhaps, who does not appreciate one using the brain inside one's own head? Isn't it ironic that you want to tell me what to think and how to reason and what to believe and what my own position and understanding must be? Despite just about everyone telling you you are responsible for your own evil, you still insist on blaming your stupidity on the Bible, and in a thread entitled, "Do not trust the crap you fill your head with without checking the evidence that is in front of your eyes"!

I'm going to advise you to ditch the faith in what you believe and consider becoming an atheist and check the evidence in front of you. You might need the Jesus stuff to help your eyes work, but the more you practice disbelieving and checking the evidence, the more you'd likely be able to see that you are the one resorting to "straw man arguments, non sequiturs and nonsense, including ad hominems".

That, after all, is what is meant by substituting your position for that of those you discuss with just so you can have something to argue against. Those smarter than you would tell you to enjoy your one hand clap.

Seriously? So if you go and kill someone, "your god is responsible for it"?

Sounds very irresponsible of you to me that you refuse to take responsibility for your evil! I'm just glad the rest of us aren't so stupid or we'd be imprisoning "your god" and not you.

[b]“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).

“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).

“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand—when I awake, I am still with you” (Psalm 139:15-16).

“Can anyone teach knowledge to God, since he judges even the highest?” (Job 21:22).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever” (1 Chronicles 28:9).

“Do you know how the clouds hang poised, those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?” (Job 37:16).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!” (Romans 11:33).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows” (Luke 12:7).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered” (Matthew 10:29-30).[/b]

Tamaratonye1:


I replied with quotes and reference from the bible that refute your assertion as to the limits of your god's powers..

Tamaratonye1:


I replied with quotes and reference from the bible that refute your assertion as to the limits of your god's powers.

You then in three replies resort to ad hominem, straw men, mendacious assertions and nothing else.

Either you have not read your bible, do not understand your bible or are just a rather juvenile troll.

The correct and accepted method of discourse is to prove your claim as I have refuted it.

So far you have merely made more unsubstantiated claims. Coupled, as I am now accustomed to, when exposing theists' mendacity, insults, straw men and ad hominems.

And I must admit your insults lack any sort of subtlety and appear to be fired in a haphazard manner, rather like a blind hamster wielding a crossbow.
The straw men are badly constructed, leaking, and seem to be made of greenery rather than robust, yellow gold, dry stalks of substance. The quality of apologists on these forums truly leaves much to be desired.

And the lies are just fucking transparent. On the ennui scale it rates a 9.9.

To make it easy for you, once again, I repeat my refutation below.



It's as if you aren't even trying now. Seriously... You're now attempting to go after me with your lame candy-ass weak material?..... Ugh... Look, Jr., allow me to give you a couple of quick pointers. First of all, you totally screwed the pooch by assuming I even have a brain functiong at your astounding capacity. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure most everybody here is in utter awe of your intellectual prowess. (But that's another topic altogether.) Secondly, though, where is that spark of comedic genius I saw from you earlier? It's as though you have just completely given up. So sad...

I am worthy and deserving of a far greater quality and more intellectually calculated levels of insults than those recently directed toward me here. I wonder who's to blame for this travesty. Again, it pains me to no end that I have to suffer such ill-planned and mediocre taunts from an amateur that is clearly hampered by some form of cerebral deficiency. And I regret I did not see the signs of such sooner, so as to have potentially avoided the indignation I now have to endure.

Well, shit. I suppose my expectations for you were just a bit too high... *exasperated sigh*... Of course, I know I have only myself to blame for that. I really should have known better, considering your current condition. You're what... twelve or thirteen, maybe? So, yeah, going through puberty must be very stressful and disorienting for you at the moment. Cheer up, though, buddy, because it does eventually get better. However, just one little piece of advice for you, if I may. When masturbating to all those anime videos, please exercise some common courtesy and clean up your mess. It is totally unfair to make your mommy clean up after you. There's a good lad.

Now fùck off until you finally [A] learn how to taunt or [B] read your poisonous book.

MuttleyLaff:
Eurgh, why is the anus on him. Yuck, lol, shouldn't the anus be in his bum ni, lol. Dont you just love suggestive/predictive typing and auto spelling correction(s) eh, lol.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
- Matthew 24:36

"But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
- Mark 13:32

JMAN05, the office of God foremostly and God the Father before all, is totally omniscient, as in meaning, actually knowing everything, knows completely every single detail of a matter, before the matter starts. Knows everything about all matters, from the start and up to the end of the matter, right from the beginning and even before the matter started.

Now, fyi, inherent omniscience, is what applies, ONLY, to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and not the office God, in relation to God the Father. Though our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is totally omniscient too, He as well, funnily enough, is inherently omniscient. This inherent omniscience of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is based on the fact that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has the power/ability to know anything that He chooses to know or chooses to not know, lol. An example of the inherent omniscience of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can be found in Matthew 24:36 or Mark 13:32 reproduced above.

JMAN05, lol, I know you'll have a hard time stomaching all I have typed above, mainly because you believe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is not God, but is god, lol, and even AntiChristian that will say He is just an ordinary man and prophet of God, but hey if I ask you and AntiChristian, this following simple, easy, direct and straightforward question, will you and AntiChristiangive me and a honest, sincere and truthful answer, hmm?

Here is the litmus test question:
JMAN05 and AntiChristian, what is the name given to the person with the 1000% ability of knowing everything you're thinking in your heart or who to your understanding/knowledge has the ability/power to 10000% know every thought going on in your heart?

PS: As regards the JMAN05 "... again, He has not predestined all humans. Our lives are not ruled by fate. We are responsible for our actions" comment, well creativity, whatever the end of it, has a fundamental right to existence. Just because anyone due to their choices/actions, ultimately is going to end up at some unsavoury place, is not a good enough excuse, to deny them the right to be created, to deny them the right to exist, to enjoy and/or live life.

There, in the western part of the country, is a colloquial, that says: "Ti ogun ẹni, ba daniloju, a maa jẹnlẹngẹ, fi gba ori" which when loosely translated means: "When you have confidence in your juju/jazz charm, you can gently knack it and also safely smack it on your head, without being at a serious disadvantage, all because you've everything under control"

The point, I am making here, is that the ability to produce and create original or unusual ideas (i.e. creativity) doesnt wait for that everything perfection, perfect moment, lol, because, if you, especially, are God, you'll knack and whack that your juju/jazz charm on the head and just get on with it.
cc AntiChristian

Daejoyoung:

If God is responsible for the evil in the world, then how come he wants to redeem the world? and why do we pray for the kingdom of God to come and his will to be done on earth as it is in heaven? Come on now, if God actually controlled this world, then everything would be different, but God is not really in charge of this world and there is a better world to come where there would be no more death and sorrow, and this l speak by faith. This faith shall save me if l continue therein, not by works of the law but only faith working through love.

AntiChristian:
Why you they mention me again? Very soon now you will say I'm dumb for pointing out your errors!

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
- Matthew 24:36

"But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
- Mark 13:32

Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite. (Psalm 147:5)

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
(1 John 3:20)

Known to God from eternity are all his works. (Acts 15:18)

I don't really understand your claim here. Is it that your God has a office of which only one component of the office (i.e. the father) is omniscient while the others are not!

The verse above states that the Lord has an infinite understanding and knows all things! Jesus does not know all things!

Please don't mention me again! I don tire!

sonmvayina:


So God created this world and handed it over to somebody else, or did the being defeat God in a context, what makes you think the next world will not be taken over by the said being?...

Daejoyoung:
lol Tamaratonye1, on the programmer analogy, what would you say about the creators of the programming language themselves? Are they just like any programmer limited to the language? well yes and no.

Daejoyoung:
Yes, because they set rules to that language which are the rules of software programming, so you can say they are limited to those rules they set.

Daejoyoung:
No, because unlike other ordinary programmers who use the language, the creator of that programming language knows all about that programming language, so it is a different scenario here.
For example, Guido von Rossium who created python knows every software engineering law that python operates by, so in that sense Guido is all knowing when it comes to python compared to any other user of the language, but Guido cannot arbitrarily change the laws of software engineering that makes python work.

Daejoyoung:
The difference between Guido and God in this case is that the laws of creation are intrinsic to the nature of God. Guido only learnt those laws of software by which he created python.

sonmvayina:
So God created this world and handed it over to somebody else, or did the being defeat God in a context, what makes you think the next world will not be taken over by the said being?...

Daejoyoung:
What if God created this world not to rule it himself because he is busy, and wants man to completely be in charge and take care of whatever unfinished business left?

MuttleyLaff:
What is sin?
Sin is missing the mark or standard, means missing God's mark or God's standard. Actually, as in like an archer missing hit the target bull's eye.

God did not include sin in Adam's design. Adam committed sin when he took possesion of somebody's else property. Sin entered the world, entered the system because of what Adam did. Briskly following sin was death with a whole lot bunch of nasties mingled up with delightfuls in close pursuit

One third of the innumerable angelic hosts decamped from God, commiting sin with Satan. These equated to the two situational problems God set out to resolve. Replace and fill the vacuum with human beings and also, sort out sin, once and for all

Adam and Eve before the fall, werent starkers, as you'll like to believe. They were clothed with the righteousness of God. It was after the fall, they realised they've lost it and since then were starkers

Daejoyoung:


What if God created this world not to rule it himself because he is busy, and wants man to completely be in charge and take care of whatever unfinished business left?

Daejoyoung:
What if God created this world not to rule it himself because he is busy, and wants man to completely be in charge and take care of whatever unfinished business left?

sonmvayina:
Or what if the whole of existence is God, and we are experiencing the whole of our creation as ourselves.. As we are all part of a whole or we are all different versions of the same thing...?.. Am I saying something sensible..?

MuttleyLaff:


You are saying something sensible but not in a clear cut way, lol.

What incidentally, is your understanding of the "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (i.e. TKGE) phrase, which actually is a merism (e.g. ladies and gentlemen is another form of merism, lol)

What to your knowledge and/or understanding does the TKGE means. What is it whispering, insinuating and/or hinting about, sonmvayina or Daejoyoung?

budaatum:

What I can't get is why you can't take responsibility for your own misunderstandings.

Your quotes and references do not state that any God is responsible for the evil that you do. If it did, there'd clearly be no point in throwing your evil ass in jail for what God supposedly did!

Perhaps try reading the entire book so you know what you talk about.

Tamaratonye1:

Yes, as usual you have shown your inability to read and comprehend. You have given no refutation, merely yet another ignorant assertion. Seemingly based on your unsupported opinion not on the texts.

As you are incapable of a debate I suggest you continue playing with your toys in the sandpit.

Bacteriologist:

Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

Bacteriologist:

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

Bacteriologist:

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Bacteriologist:

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

sonmvayina:
Bible stories are all allegory and metaphorical, you are expected to read the story and learn the hidden messages in them.. This particular story of Adam and Eve was adapted from an ancient Babylonian epic.. It tells of how man lost the chance of eternal life by making the wrong choice... In the original story there where separate trees for good and evil.. And different serpent for both.. Dimuzi was for the evil tree and ninggizsida... It simply represents the two sides of our brain.. That is where decisions are taken.. But the Jews sees God as one hence, the merging of the trees.. God is responsible for both good and evil..

MuttleyLaff:
I simply asked the question(s), what incidentally, is your understanding of the "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (i.e. TKGE) phrase, which actually is a merism (e.g. ladies and gentlemen is another form of merism, lol) and you're giving me a bunch of direct opposite mythical story answers

I repeat, what to your knowledge and/or understanding does the TKGE mean?. What is the TKGE whispering, insinuating and/or hinting about, sonmvayina or Daejoyoung?

budaatum:

I really wish people did read some of it like you do because they'd be obeying "don't steal" and "don't murder", which I'm certain you are aware many don't obey.

Have you not noticed that many have already pointed out your errors and misunderstanding? Why would I waste my time repeating what you ignore?

sonmvayina:
Maybe you are looking for a different answer, I have answered you.. The tree is symbolism for the brain where decisions are made.. Both good and evil is in us.. It is a matter of choice..

Tamaratonye1:

You have given no alternative explanation for those verses that clearly claim omnipotence for your god. You seem to be claiming some "deeper understanding" but without one single example to illustrate your assertion..

You then bring in random fragments of commandments, once again with no explanation as to their relevance to the discussion.

Perhaps you could dilute the cordials you are drinking a bit more, at least until you start to be coherent. .

As it is you are making no argument, merely typing at random

oaroloye:

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not
in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in the Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in the Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is
in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law
doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth
shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff
which the wind driveth away.
5.Therefore the Ungodly
shall not stand
in The Judgment,
nor Sinners
in The Congregation
of The Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth
The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly
shall Perish.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate
every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

"MEDITATION" MEANS, "TO MUTTER," OR, "TO MURMUR."

The Scriptures in general, and THE LAW OF MOSES, in particular, must be read aloud, at least once.

A short selection is then muttered or murmured hundreds into thousands of times per day.

This causes Progressive Enlightenment to be achieved- with new Knowledge being acquired with each repetition- though It may be noticed only after scores into hundreds of repetitions.

Cross-Reference Associations and Corollaries with other Scriptures one did not previously notice come to mind.

One becomes aware of Alternative Interpretations and Applications come to mind, which one could not, or did not want to THINK before, come mind.

. THE THREE LAWS OF MOTION. Isaac Newton

ALL OBJECTS REMAIN
IN A STATE OF REST,
OR UNIFORM MOTION
IN A STRAIGHT LINE,
UNLESS ACTED UPON BY
UNBALANCED FORCES.

2. THE RATE OF
CHANGE OF MOMENTUM
IS PROPORTIONAL TO
THE FORCE APPLIED.

3. ACTION AND REACTION
ARE EQUAL AND OPPOSITE.

. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

THE Source of Life is a static
of peculiar and particular properties

[A LIFE STATIC has no size,
no shape, no mass, no temperature,
no frequency, nor any other physical property.]

2. At least a portion of the static
called life is impinged upon
the Physical Universe.
3. That portion
of the Static of Life
which is impinged upon
the Physical Universe
has for its Dynamic Goal
SURVIVAL and ONLY Survival.
4. The Physical Universe
is reducible to motion of energy
operating in Space through Time.
5. That portion of the Static of Life
concerned with the Life Organisms
of the Physical Universe
is concerned WHOLLY with MOTION.

22. Theta and Thought
are similar orders of static.
23. All Thought is concerned
with Motion.
26. Thought is accomplished
by Theta Facsimiles
of Physical Universe,
Entities or Actions.
99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine
into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization
of effort.
101. Language depends for its force
upon the force which accompanied
its definition.

[Note: Counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]

109. Behavior is modified
by Counter-Efforts which have
impinged on the Organism.
115. SELF-DETERMINISM is
the Theta Control of the Organism.
116. A SELF-DETERMINED EFFORT
is that Counter-Effort
which has been received
into the Organism in the Past
and integrated
into the organism
for its Conscious Use.
116. A SELF-DETERMINED EFFORT is
that Counter-Effort which has been
received into the Organism in the Past
and integrated into the organism
for its Conscious Use.
117. The components of Self-Determinism
are AFFINITY, COMMUNICATION,
and REALITY.

[THE EIGHT DYNAMICS: The Eight Levels
on which we Exist:

1. Self; 2. Family; 3. Groups;
4. All Mankind; 5. All Living Things;
6. The MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time-
i.e. PHYSICAL) Universe; 7. Spirits; 8. God.]

118. An Organism cannot
become aberrated unless
it has AGREED-UPON that Aberration,
has been IN COMMUNICATION WITH
a Source of Aberration,
and has HAD AFFINITY FOR
the Aberrator.
119. Agreement with any Source,
contra- or pro-Survival,
postulates a New Reality
for the organism.
121. Every Thought has been preceded
by Physical Action.
122. The Mind does with Thought
as it has done with entities in the Physical Universe.
127. All perceptions reaching
the organism's sense channels
are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Perception is the process
of recording data from
the Physical Universe and storing it
as a Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Recall is the process
of regaining Perceptions.
128. Any organism can recall
everything which it has perceived.

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: THE BOOK OF BASICS, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

Bacteriologist:

But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

"THE BEST WAY
TO CONTROL
OUR OPPOSITION
IS TO CONTROL IT
OURSELVES!" - Vladimir Lenin.