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Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by orisa37: 5:33pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
You see Truth before FAITH. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 5:54pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
budaatum: budaatum:So now your trolling is obvious. I gave you clear and cogent quotes from your bible that refute your assertions. You didn't answer. I never mentioned hell. I do not believe in a religious hell . the rest of your 'answer' is a non sequitur. You should answer each verse. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 6:09pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:I'm glad my trolling is obvious. It might make you use your brain instead of believing non sequiturs that you create inside your own head and claim is inside the head of others. Did you not see verses in the Bible that read "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not covet they neighbours goods"? If people take it like you claim they do or should, would they steal or commit murder? I advise you become an atheist. Evidence might matter to you instead of crap you create inside your head and chose to believe.
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Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by orunto27: 6:35pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
Seeing is Believing! What you see is what you get. The Atheist have neither seen nor experienced God and God can never reveal Himself to Atheist. So we see the Truth before we believe. Let there be Light. The Light was seen to be Good. Let us make man in Our Image and Life was created. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: Miracle can also mean something amazing. To me life is something that no human have can explain how it came about and humans cant make life from non livng thing. So, life to me is extraordinary. It is a miracle. I said to me. Thats my view. My dear life from completely natural processes is hard to believe. why, please may I ask you which came first in these development of life from nonliving thing, which? Protein, RNA and DNA. which one came first? And what emperical evidence do you have to prove that life can come from nonliving thing? That definitely is NOT proof for any god. Talk less of being a proof for the Christian God. The simple assertion that we observe living things and use that observation as hints and markers to invent artificial objects is not in any way an evidence for any god. Nope. You missed it. say if you study the features of facebook, study how the app was made, including its algorithms, and then create something like facebook, while admitting that your imitation was not as good as facebook, then, you must admit that that facebook must have been done by a head more intelligent than yours. He did what you couldnt exactly. Mimic humans and create a human like me with a conscience, then I will take you serious. Till then, this continuous to be my evidence of a Higher Intelligent Designer. Also the fact that YOU see no reason to accept that complex things may not have a creator does not AUTOMATICALLY mean that complex things do have a creator. Good. create life from nonliving thing, then i can take you serious. For you to be justified in the belief that you hold, you will still have to DEMONSTRATE why anything that is complex must have a creator. Including God as well. Because you very well admit that God is complex. So if God is complex who created god? Since everything that is complex must have a creator. By your logic... The anus is on you to disprove my position. Tell me why complex thing like aeroplane can pop out from nowhere. There is no precision in the universe. Everything that happens is as a direct consequence of the implications of random physical interactions. My dear the universe is well precise that one can calculate and predict the weather, time spacecraft etc. There is defined order in the universe. Any sincere scientist knows that. Lets see what more physicist Stephen W. Hawking said: “The more we examine the universe, we find it is not arbitrary at all but obeys certain well-defined laws that operate in different areas. It seems very reasonable to suppose that there may be some unifying principles, so that all laws are part of some bigger law.” Rocket expert Wernher von Braun went a step further when he stated: “The natural laws of the universe are so precise that we have no difficulty building a spaceship to fly to the moon and can time the flight with the precision of a fraction of a second. These laws must have been set by somebody." Without the way the big bang happened, if there was no direction or laws to direct the result of the bang, life as we know it will not exist. You wont be here to day. Explosion is not known to set laws, it is chaos. This bang must have been directed by a Supernatural Being. Remember am not here to convince you, but am telling you the evidence that convinced me of a Supernatural Intelligent Creator. You may not agree, I perfectly respect that. It is your decision. You would have to substantiate your belief with evidence that supernatural beings did exist before I can accept your claim as justified or remotely and demonstrably true. I dont think I need you to make me accept the evidence I have to believe in a Supernatural Being. I appreciate the fact that you call them mythologies. Because a global flood has been proven to be false by Geologists for various reasons. Geologist, if they are not in agreement now, they will be in the future. Global flood is something that appear in different legends of nations far away from each other indicating its worldwide effect. There must be something geologists are missing. Imagine sea water covers 71 percent of our earth's surface. we are not talking about glaciers and polar ice cap. I believe the earth itself shows that such flood did happen. Geologist even posit that one flood that heppened in northwestern United States roared through the region with a wall of water 2,000 feet [600 m] high, traveling at 65 miles an hour [105 km/hr]—a flood of 500 cubic miles [2,000 cu km] of water, weighing more than two trillion tons. Yet they dont see global flood. Dont worry, they will get there one day. It is logical to conclude that all the animals that are present on earth today were present in the ark. Except if God created all these animals we see after the flood which the Bible clearly didn't state. No one can say what bible "kinds'' involved. Prior to Noah's day there were no command to eat animals. Lions and other animals could have been this brutal because how they are now handled. I ve seen areas where Leopards are left to work about without harming anyone. why? Because that area people were instructed not to harm or even scare them. Dont think that all these animals have always been this brutal. However, the bible didnt give us all the details as to what happened then. Again, you cannot appeal to the supernatural as an explanation of a natural. The supernatural is something that is greater than the natural. More accurately the suspension of a natural process or order. Well, it is good to be objective. Not everything can be proven imperically. I fyou dont believe in supernatural power, thats your decision as i will always say. However, I believe it happens. We just had a case today around this area; One guy had his pen.is missing after being touched by a young man said to be a Niger. Can you believe that? No. Because you didnt see it and because no imperical evidence that such a touch could cause something to disappear. Well it did happen. The Niger man even confessed to it. That you dont accept it doesnt mean that i cant. I ve got evidence to believe that such was done through a supernatural power. You dont, but thats your decision. I believe what i saw. Thats my decision. There are somethings i dont need to argue. supernatural power is one of them. It is real. Am not telling you to accept. But I have strong reasons, eyewitness reason to accept it. An all-knowing god granting freewill would be self-contradicting. You are describing total omniscience. I dont believe God is such. He is inherently omniscient. Again, He has not predestined all humans. Our lives are not ruled by fate. We are responsible for our actions. True, some believe God is totally omniscient, I dont subscribe to that. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 2:25am On Jan 24, 2020 |
budaatum:So, not having any answers to the verses in your books that clearly and unequivocally state that your supposed god is responsible for everything including all the "evil" in the world you resort to straw man arguments, non sequiturs and nonsense, including the attempted, but failed, ad hominem. That is symptomatic of a failed intellect. If you have an answer to the refutation of your claims which I laid out in detail with all those quotes from your book, then please, enlighten us all. It seems however you don't have any answers. You haven't read, or even understood your bible at all, but instead have made up some saccharin flavored religion of your own without the naughty bits. budaatum has no pants on. Muppet. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 2:55am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:Are you some pastor perhaps, who does not appreciate one using the brain inside one's own head? Isn't it ironic that you want to tell me what to think and how to reason and what to believe and what my own position and understanding must be? Despite just about everyone telling you you are responsible for your own evil, you still insist on blaming your stupidity on the Bible, and in a thread entitled, "Do not trust the crap you fill your head with without checking the evidence that is in front of your eyes"! I'm going to advise you to ditch the faith in what you believe and consider becoming an atheist and check the evidence in front of you. You might need the Jesus stuff to help your eyes work, but the more you practice disbelieving and checking the evidence, the more you'd likely be able to see that you are the one resorting to "straw man arguments, non sequiturs and nonsense, including ad hominems". That, after all, is what is meant by substituting your position for that of those you discuss with just so you can have something to argue against. Those smarter than you would tell you to enjoy your one hand clap. 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 5:20am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: JMAN05: MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 5:21am On Jan 24, 2020 |
JMAN05:Eurgh, why is the anus on him. Yuck, lol, shouldn't the anus be in his bum ni, lol. Dont you just love suggestive/predictive typing and auto spelling correction(s) eh, lol. JMAN05:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - Matthew 24:36 "But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - Mark 13:32 JMAN05, the office of God foremostly and God the Father before all, is totally omniscient, as in meaning, actually knowing everything, knows completely every single detail of a matter, before the matter starts. Knows everything about all matters, from the start and up to the end of the matter, right from the beginning and even before the matter started. Now, fyi, inherent omniscience, is what applies, ONLY, to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and not the office God, in relation to God the Father. Though our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is totally omniscient too, He as well, funnily enough, is inherently omniscient. This inherent omniscience of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is based on the fact that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has the power/ability to know anything that He chooses to know or chooses to not know, lol. An example of the inherent omniscience of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can be found in Matthew 24:36 or Mark 13:32 reproduced above. JMAN05, lol, I know you'll have a hard time stomaching all I have typed above, mainly because you believe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is not God, but is god, lol, and even AntiChristian that will say He is just an ordinary man and prophet of God, but hey if I ask you and AntiChristian, this following simple, easy, direct and straightforward question, will you and AntiChristiangive me and a honest, sincere and truthful answer, hmm? Here is the litmus test question: JMAN05 and AntiChristian, what is the name given to the person with the 1000% ability of knowing everything you're thinking in your heart or who to your understanding/knowledge has the ability/power to 10000% know every thought going on in your heart? PS: As regards the JMAN05 "... again, He has not predestined all humans. Our lives are not ruled by fate. We are responsible for our actions" comment, well creativity, whatever the end of it, has a fundamental right to existence. Just because anyone due to their choices/actions, ultimately is going to end up at some unsavoury place, is not a good enough excuse, to deny them the right to be created, to deny them the right to exist, to enjoy and/or live life. There, in the western part of the country, is a colloquial, that says: "Ti ogun ẹni, ba daniloju, a maa jẹnlẹngẹ, fi gba ori" which when loosely translated means: "When you have confidence in your juju/jazz charm, you can gently knack it and also safely smack it on your head, without being at a serious disadvantage, all because you've everything under control" The point, I am making here, is that the ability to produce and create original or unusual ideas (i.e. creativity) doesnt wait for that everything perfection, perfect moment, lol, because, if you, especially, are God, you'll knack and whack that your juju/jazz charm on the head and just get on with it. cc AntiChristian |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 7:19am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: ATHEISM would have been the best but atheists themselves are the enemies of ATHEISM! WHY? Because the concept behind atheism is about debunking all MIND CONTROLLING set up! So if some people chose to be controlled in the name of FAITH and atheists who detests mind controlling are complaining, then ATHEISM in itself has been called to question! If everyone is FREE to chose how they're going to live their lives, and some chose to be controlled when NOBODY is forcing them. Then whoever is trying to do anything to the situation is also guilty of mind controlling. Religionists CHOSE to be CONTROLLED! While atheists CHOSE absolute freedom and are advocates of their course, the whole thing becomes meaningless when atheists who are advocates of ABSOLUTE FREEDOM now agitates due to the CHOICE of others! |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 7:45am On Jan 24, 2020 |
budaatum: Seriously? So if you go and kill someone, "your god is responsible for it"?I replied with quotes and reference from the bible that refute your assertion as to the limits of your god's powers. You then in three replies resort to ad hominem, straw men, mendacious assertions and nothing else. Either you have not read your bible, do not understand your bible or are just a rather juvenile troll. The correct and accepted method of discourse is to prove your claim as I have refuted it. So far you have merely made more unsubstantiated claims. Coupled, as I am now accustomed to, when exposing theists' mendacity, insults, straw men and ad hominems. And I must admit your insults lack any sort of subtlety and appear to be fired in a haphazard manner, rather like a blind hamster wielding a crossbow. The straw men are badly constructed, leaking, and seem to be made of greenery rather than robust, yellow gold, dry stalks of substance. The quality of apologists on these forums truly leaves much to be desired. And the lies are just fucking transparent. On the ennui scale it rates a 9.9. To make it easy for you, once again, I repeat my refutation below. [b]“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10). It's as if you aren't even trying now. Seriously... You're now attempting to go after me with your lame candy-ass weak material?..... Ugh... Look, Jr., allow me to give you a couple of quick pointers. First of all, you totally screwed the pooch by assuming I even have a brain functiong at your astounding capacity. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure most everybody here is in utter awe of your intellectual prowess. (But that's another topic altogether.) Secondly, though, where is that spark of comedic genius I saw from you earlier? It's as though you have just completely given up. So sad... I am worthy and deserving of a far greater quality and more intellectually calculated levels of insults than those recently directed toward me here. I wonder who's to blame for this travesty. Again, it pains me to no end that I have to suffer such ill-planned and mediocre taunts from an amateur that is clearly hampered by some form of cerebral deficiency. And I regret I did not see the signs of such sooner, so as to have potentially avoided the indignation I now have to endure. Well, shit. I suppose my expectations for you were just a bit too high... *exasperated sigh*... Of course, I know I have only myself to blame for that. I really should have known better, considering your current condition. You're what... twelve or thirteen, maybe? So, yeah, going through puberty must be very stressful and disorienting for you at the moment. Cheer up, though, buddy, because it does eventually get better. However, just one little piece of advice for you, if I may. When masturbating to all those anime videos, please exercise some common courtesy and clean up your mess. It is totally unfair to make your mommy clean up after you. There's a good lad. Now fùck off until you finally [A] learn how to taunt or [B] read your poisonous book. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Daejoyoung: 9:32am On Jan 24, 2020 |
lol Tamaratonye1, on the programmer analogy, what would you say about the creators of the programming language themselves? Are they just like any programmer limited to the language? well yes and no. Yes, because they set rules to that language which are the rules of software programming, so you can say they are limited to those rules they set. No, because unlike other ordinary programmers who use the language, the creator of that programming language knows all about that programming language, so it is a different scenario here. For example, Guido von Rossium who created python knows every software engineering law that python operates by, so in that sense Guido is all knowing when it comes to python compared to any other user of the language, but Guido cannot arbitrarily change the laws of software engineering that makes python work. The difference between Guido and God in this case is that the laws of creation are intrinsic to the nature of God. Guido only learnt those laws of software by which he created python. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 1:10pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:What I can't get is why you can't take responsibility for your own misunderstandings. Your quotes and references do not state that any God is responsible for the evil that you do. If it did, there'd clearly be no point in throwing your evil ass in jail for what God supposedly did! Perhaps try reading the entire book so you know what you talk about. 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by shadeyinka(m): 3:25pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:Looks like you've got serious reasons for hating this Christian God! What did he do that hurts this much? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by AntiChristian: 3:56pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Why you they mention me again? Very soon now you will say I'm dumb for pointing out your errors! No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - Matthew 24:36 "But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - Mark 13:32 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite. (Psalm 147:5) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.([/b]1 John 3:20) [b]Known to God from eternity are all his works. (Acts 15:18) I don't really understand your claim here. is it that your God has a office of which only one component of the office (i.e. the father) is omniscient while the others are not! The verse above states that the Lord has an infinite understanding and knows all things! Jesus does not know all things! Please don't mention me again! I don tire! |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by sonmvayina(m): 4:49pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: So God created this world and handed it over to somebody else, or did the being defeat God in a context, what makes you think the next world will not be taken over by the said being?... |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 5:57pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
AntiChristian:I only said you are, after you first wilfully admitted being so yourself About the litmus test question AntiChristian, simply just give your answer to it and then you'll really understand ... AntiChristian, what is the name given to the person with the 1000% ability of knowing everything you're thinking in your heart or who to your understanding/knowledge, what is the name of a person called, who has the ability/power to 10000% know every thought going on in your heart? I won't mention you again after you have given your sincere, honest and truthful answer. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Daejoyoung: 12:30am On Jan 25, 2020 |
sonmvayina: What if God created this world not to rule it himself because he is busy, and wants man to completely be in charge and take care of whatever unfinished business left? 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 8:28am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Daejoyoung:Daejoyoung, lol, you as someone into programming, will know that there is no programmer that can ever match God's skills, the original and ultimate Programmer, at programming, lol Daejoyoung:There are not just only limited to those rules they set, but they also dont have the ability/capacity to set out each and every boolean logic to set the rules, lol Daejoyoung:What programming language are the instructions in our DNA written in, lol? Daejoyoung:The difference between God and any other programmer is God is versatile sonmvayina:"4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” 5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”…" - Revelation 21:4-5 This is the essence and the reason for why from the beginning the existence of the TKGE was there, now after the experience of the TKGE and when or after, it is has completely run its full course, we have been given a guarantee that the next world will not be taken over again by sin, death, pain, misery, affliction, suffering, sickness etcetera Daejoyoung:God created this world, just the same way, you built your house, and then allocated room(s) for your son/daughter, as his/her own, for him/her to completely have charge of, to look after, to keep tidy and safe and to just enjoy having the room to sleep in, relax in, entertain in etcetera |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 8:42am On Jan 25, 2020 |
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Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by sonmvayina(m): 9:09am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: Or what if the whole of existence is God, and we are experiencing the whole of our creation as ourselves.. As we are all part of a whole or we are all different versions of the same thing...?.. Am I saying something sensible..? |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 9:22am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: sonmvayina:You are saying something sensible but not in a clear cut way, lol. What incidentally, is your understanding of the "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (i.e. TKGE) phrase, which actually is a merism (e.g. ladies and gentlemen is another form of merism, lol) What to your knowledge and/or understanding does the TKGE means. What is it whispering, insinuating and/or hinting about, sonmvayina or Daejoyoung? |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by sonmvayina(m): 11:27am On Jan 25, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Bible stories are all allegory and metaphorical, you are expected to read the story and learn the hidden messages in them.. This particular story of Adam and Eve was adapted from an ancient Babylonian epic.. It tells of how man lost the chance of eternal life by making the wrong choice... In the original story there where separate trees for good and evil.. And different serpent for both.. Dimuzi was for the evil tree and ninggizsida... It simply represents the two sides of our brain.. That is where decisions are taken.. But the Jews sees God as one hence, the merging of the trees.. God is responsible for both good and evil.. 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 12:05pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
budaatum:Yes, as usual you have shown your inability to read and comprehend. You have given no refutation, merely yet another ignorant assertion. Seemingly based on your unsupported opinion not on the texts. As you are incapable of a debate I suggest you continue playing with your toys in the sandpit. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 1:37pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:I really wish people did read some of it like you do because they'd be obeying "don't steal" and "don't murder", which I'm certain you are aware many don't obey. Have you not noticed that many have already pointed out your errors and misunderstanding? Why would I waste my time repeating what you ignore? 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 4:09pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
MISHIGAS! Bacteriologist: (1) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN RELIGION IS GOD. Atheists are the lowest Human scum, who always lie. The Oyinbo-Trained Atheist does not oppose THE GOD OF THE BIBLE, Who is Real, but an IMAGINARY STRAWMAN GOD that OYINBOS MADE UP for their evil own purposes. I base this claim on the Atheistic Writings I have read, including: 1. GOD IS IMAGINARY: 50 PROOFS THAT THERE IS NO GOD, by Marshall Brain. 2. ATHEISM: The Case against God, by George H. Smith. 3. WHY THERE IS NO GOD, by Armin Navabi. I find it disgusting that the vast majority of people calling themselves Christians cannot answer these Blasphemous allegations, and debunk the "Alligators." In Ancient Israel, everyone was cowering against GOLIATH- except DAVID- who was mystified that nobody was going anything about this loudmouth. So he did. The Oyinbo-Created Churches are based on the same sort of IMAGINARY GOD that ATHEISTS rightly despise. Therefore, He cannot protect them against opposing ideas and doubts. So, their only defense against challenging Doctrines is to FLEE and HIDE like COWARDS. The sort of "FAITH" that can only stand, if you never hear certain things spoken by Enemies IS UTTERLY WORTHLESS! Why would anyone want that? BELIEF IN GOD IS NOT BASED ON BELIEF. The basis of The Bible is THE LAW OF MOSES. . EXODUS 3:1-20. Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the Priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the Mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2. And The Angel of The LORD appeared unto him in a Flame of Fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with Fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3. And Moses said, "I will now turn aside, and see this Great Sight, why the bush is not burnt." 4. And when The LORD Saw that he turned aside to see, "God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and Said, "Moses, Moses." And he said, "Here am I." 5. And He said, "Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground." 6. Moreover He Said, "I am the God of thy Father, The God of Abraham, The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7. And The LORD Said, "I have surely Seen the Affliction of My People which are in Egypt, and have heard their Cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their Sorrows; 8. "And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9. "Now therefore, behold, the Cry of the Children of Israel is come unto Me: and I have also seen the Oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10. "Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the Children of Israel out of Egypt." 11. And Moses said unto God, "Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the Children of Israel out of Egypt?" [12]And He said, "Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: 'WHEN THOU HAST BROUGHT FORTH THE PEOPLE OUT OF EGYPT, YE SHALL SERVE GOD UPON THIS MOUNTAIN.' 13. And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the Children of Israel, and shall say unto them, 'THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS HATH SENT ME UNTO YOU;' and they shall say to me, 'WHAT IS HIS NAME?' what shall I say unto them?" 14. And God Said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and He Said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the Children of Israel, 'I AM hath sent me unto you.' " 15. And God Said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the Children of Israel, 'THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB, HATH SENT ME UNTO YOU:' This is My Name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all Generations. 16. "Go, and gather the Elders of Israel together, and say unto them, 'THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, OF ISAAC, AND OF JACOB, APPEARED UNTO ME, SAYING, I HAVE SURELY VISITED YOU, AND SEEN THAT WHICH IS DONE TO YOU IN EGYPT:' 17. "And I have Said, 'I WILL BRING YOU UP OUT OF THE AFFLICTION OF EGYPT UNTO THE LAND OF THE CANAANITES, AND THE HITTITES, AND THE AMORITES, AND THE PERIZZITES, AND THE HIVITES, AND THE JEBUSITES, UNTO A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY.' 18. "And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the Elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, 'THE LORD GOD OF THE HEBREWS HATH MET WITH US: AND NOW LET US GO, WE BESEECH THEE, THREE DAYS' JOURNEY INTO THE WILDERNESS, THAT WE MAY SACRIFICE TO THE LORD OUR GOD.' 19. "And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand. 20. "And I will stretch out My Hand, and smite Egypt with all My Wonders Which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go." THE BASIS OF MOSES' RELIGION WAS NOT FAITH: GOD MANIFESTED TO HIM. MOSES saw God, heard His Voice, and saw manifestations of His Power. Later, ALL ISRAEL saw God manifest Himself, but when He Spoke to ALL of them, audibly, they literally replied: "DUDE! NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!" . EXODUS 20:1-21. AND God Spake all these Words, Saying, 2. "I (am) The LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of The Land of Egypt, out of The House of Bondage. 3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. 4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness (of any thing) that (is) in the Earth beneath, or that (is) in the Water under the Earth: 5. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I The LORD thy God (am) a Jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth (generation) of them that hate Me. 6. "And shewing Mercy unto thousands of them which love Me, and keep My Commandments. 7. "Thou shalt not take The Name of The LORD thy God in vain; for The LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His Name in vain. 8. "Remember The Sabbath Day, to keep It Holy. 9. "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10. "But the seventh day (is) The Sabbath of The LORD thy God: (in It) thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that (is) within thy gates: 11. "For (in) six days The LORD made Heaven and Earth, the Sea, and all that in them (is), and rested the seventh day: wherefore The LORD Blessed the seventh day, and Hallowed It. 12. "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the Land which The LORD thy God giveth thee. 13. "Thou shalt not Kill. 14. "Thou shalt not commit Adultery. 15. "Thou shalt not Steal. 16. "Thou shalt not bear False Witness against thy Neighbour. 17. "Thou shalt not covet thy Neighbour's House, Thou shalt not covet thy Neighbour's Wife, nor his Manservant, nor his Maidservant, nor his Ox, nor his Ass, nor any Thing that is Thy Neighbour's." 18. And all the people saw the Thunderings, and the Lightnings, and the Noise of the Trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw (it), they removed, and stood afar off. 19. And they said unto Moses, "Speak thou unto us, and we will hear: but let not God Speak with us, lest we die." 20. And Moses said unto the people, "Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that His Fear may be before your faces, that ye Sin not." THEREFORE ISRAELITE BELIEF IN GOD WAS NOT BASED ON FAITH: IT WAS BASED ON KNOWLEDGE. 21. And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the Thick Darkness where God (was). Bacteriologist: (2) NO, IT IS NOT SAFE TO SAY THAT FAITH IS THE BASIS OF THEISM: THAT IS BLASPHEMY. You have not said anything to demonstrate that there is any connection between Theism and Faith. You people just lie and lie, and blindly follow what you have been told, even paid, to say. . DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6. ALL The Commandments Which I Command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which The LORD Sware unto your fathers. 2. And thou shalt remember all the Way which The LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep His Commandments, or no. 3. And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with Manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that "MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY BREAD ONLY BUT BY EVERY (WORD) THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE LORD DOTH MAN LIVE." 4. Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years. 5. Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, "THAT, AS A MAN CHASTENETH HIS SON, SO THE LORD THY GOD CHASTENETH THEE." 6. Therefore thou shalt keep The Commandments of The LORD thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to fear Him. THE WORD OF GOD IS FOOD FOR THE SOUL: SPIRITUAL FOOD IS REQUIRED TO PERFORM SPIRITUAL WORKS. . THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.) 1. TOTAL RECALL. 2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. 3. TELEKINESIS. 4. TELEPORTATION. 5. TRANSLATION. 6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE. There are TEN SPIRITUAL WORKS. The average Sinner is so low on Spiritual Energy- a minimally-sustaining 1%- that they cannot even CONSIDER IT POSSIBLE that THEY could perform THE LEAST Spiritual Work- which only I call "TOTAL RECALL." THE FIRST TALENT OF POWER has a lot more to it than merely remembering stuff without cramming. But all those abilities are based on the ability to EXACTLY RECALL whatever you have PERCEIVED, CONCEIVED, or RECALLED in your entire life. It is the FOUNDATION to even greater Abilities, being necessary support to all of them. Basically, if you FAIL at TOTAL RECALL, you have no business concerning yourself with the other "TALENTS." . DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9. 4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine Heart, and with all thy Soul, and with all thy might. 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind Them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write Them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. THE TEN TALENTS ACTIVATE SEQUENTIALLY, WHEN ONE HAS KEPT THESE COMMANDMENTS FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME. Keeping God's Commandments increases Spiritual Energy. It is not necessary to be taught what God's Commandments are, to know that certain modes of conduct increase our Spiritual/Mental well-being, while others do not. There have been people who discovered these Commandments without any exposure to Bible Religion. Such as the Shamans, Sorcerers, and other Mystical Systems that have sprung up all over the World. The Oyinbo Atheists hate these people, of course, because they debunk all their silly theories, and free all their prisoners. Bacteriologist: (3) WHEN ATHEISTS WANT TO LIE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, THEY SAY: "CHRISTIANS SAY....!" This is the "WEASEL-WORDS" Deception Technique. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word WHICH CHRISTIANS SAY THAT? The Roman Catholics do not speak for the Protestants! The Anglicans do not speak for the Baptists! The Evangelicals do not speak for the Pentecostals! MAKING SENSE IS AN ATHEISTIC OYINBO REQUIREMENT: IT IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THINGS AS LOGICAL AND RATIONAL WITHOUT ANY SPIRITUAL FOUNDATION. God can never make sense to an Atheist, because they reject all evidence that God exists- even before It is presented to them. "GOD HAS NEVER EXISTED/DOES NOT EXIST/WILL NEVER EXIST!" IS THE FUNDAMENTAL POSTULATE OF ATHEISM AND ATHEISTS. Therefore, no Line of Reasoning that God Existed/Exists/Will Exist can ever "MAKE SENSE" to an Atheist. If they cannot gainsay evidence that God has Existed/Exists/Will Exist, they will simply ignore it, and say, "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?" that is: "IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE- BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COUNT IT AS EVIDENCE OF GOD'S EXISTENCE!" What are the things that make sense when you have Faith? . HEBREWS 11:1-6. NOW Faith is the Substance of things hoped for, the Evidence of things not seen. 2. For by it the Elders obtained a good report. 3. Through Faith we understand that the Worlds were framed by The Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 4. By Faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was Righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 5. By Faith Enoch was Translated that he should not see Death; and was not found, because God had Translated him: for before his Translation he had this testimony, "THAT HE PLEASED GOD." 6. But without Faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Bacteriologist: (3) "FAITH" DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM: BY NOT DEFINING FAITH, YOU GET TO PRETEND THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. Consider the patent absurdity of someone who has no Faith telling people what FAITH is and is not good for! . ROMANS 10:16-17. 16. But they have not all obeyed The Gospel. For Esaias saith, "LORD, WHO HATH BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17. So then Faith (cometh) by hearing, and hearing by The Word of God. PAUL WAS A FAKE CHRISTIAN WHO PRETENDED CONVERSION TO INFILTRATE THE EARLY CHURCH, AND DESTROY IT FROM WITHIN. If PAUL is accepted as a Christian, EVERY ATHEIST REJECTING THE GOSPEL IS COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED, because ALL of the Pharisees said that they would not recognize Lord Yeshua as HaMishiach, until he showed them a SIGN that they deemed acceptable. Casting out Devils, Healing the Incurably Sick, Raising the Dead- all meant NOTHING to them. PAUL said that Yeshua blinded him, and talked with him from Heaven, after he had eliminated all of the eyewitnesses of Lord Yeshua's Resurrection willing to preach his REAL Gospel. He then claimed to have been Healed by a Christian named Ananias, who was obviously another undercover Agent, like he was becoming, and claimed to believe Yeshua was the HaMishiach, and preached proof of it- contrary to The ACTUAL Gospel Teaching. His Style included quoting Scriptures, and claiming that they proved his point- when they actually didn't. According to PAUL, Faith comes from hearing "THE WORD" of God. The term he used was "RHEMA:" the Spoken word. That is INCORRECT. If hearing RHEMATA gave people FAITH, then EVERYONE hearing The Word of God preached would have FAITH. That is clearly not the case. People have DIED believing that LIE. Lord Yeshua preached that SPIRITUAL FRUITS- of which FAITH is obviously one- comes from hearing The LOGOS (Recorded) Word IN ONE'S HEART. This is a CORE PENETRATION OF THE DATA FROM GOD to the DEPTH OF THE SOUL, from which WE CREATE our Personal Universe. [To be Continued.] |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 8:08pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
sonmvayina:I simply asked the question(s), what incidentally, is your understanding of the "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (i.e. TKGE) phrase, which actually is a merism (e.g. ladies and gentlemen is another form of merism, lol) and you're giving me a bunch of direct opposite mythical story answers I repeat, what to your knowledge and/or understanding does the TKGE mean?. What is the TKGE whispering, insinuating and/or hinting about, sonmvayina or Daejoyoung? |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by sonmvayina(m): 8:32pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Maybe you are looking for a different answer, I have answered you.. The tree is symbolism for the brain where decisions are made.. Both good and evil is in us.. It is a matter of choice.. 1 Like |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 10:12pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
budaatum:You have given no alternative explanation for those verses that clearly claim omnipotence for your god. You seem to be claiming some "deeper understanding" but without one single example to illustrate your assertion.. You then bring in random fragments of commandments, once again with no explanation as to their relevance to the discussion. Perhaps you could dilute the cordials you are drinking a bit more, at least until you start to be coherent. . As it is you are making no argument, merely typing at random |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by MuttleyLaff: 11:27pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
sonmvayina:OK, if that to your knowledge and understanding is what the "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (i.e. TKGE) mean, but do you know that the mention of Good, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Beautiful" (i.e. to do with what is agreeable/excellent to the senses or what's all pleasing/pleasant in the eyes of the beholder, as in everything dandy and good) while the mention of Evil, in that same context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Adversity," (i.e. to do with adversity, unpleasantries, giving pain, unhappiness, misery etcetera, as in, every hardship, bad and ugly difficult & unpleasant situation that possibly can happen) hence why and how TKGE is a merism, hmm?. sonmvayina, dont take my word for it about TKGE, go yourself, check out the meaning of "towb" (i.e. the original word Good was translated from) and "ra" (i.e. the original word Evil was translated from) sonmvayina, maybe you should have considered looking for a different, right and correct answer, before answering the question(s) because the tree is not, as you say, "a symbolism for the brain where decisions are made.. Both good and evil is in us.. It is a matter of choice..." sic. Fyi, as I have previously advanced and/or hinted, TKGE, is a merism. I am sure sonmvayina, you do know what a merism is, hmm? Anyway, as I was saying, the TKGE is a merism, and it symbolises the reality of biochemical reaction(s) from eating off the TKGE that will bring about experience(s) to the five basic senses of touch, sight, hearing, smell and taste for the brain to process. The TKGE, is not just a mere merism, it is an iconography as well. You are, afterall, what you eat, lol. Eat off the TKGE and you become, in a literal manner, just that and at same time also figuratively become part of a tree, that takes root, has branches and bears good or bad fruits, lol. |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 11:46pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:This is the first post of your's where you've sounded somewhat civil. Soon you'd actually work out the difference between a discussion and an argument. I have faith in you. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 5:53am On Jan 26, 2020 |
[Continued (2):] . MATTHEW 13:1-23. THE same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2. And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3. And he Spake many things unto them in Parables, Saying, "Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4. "And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5. "Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6. "And when the Sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7. "And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8. "But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9. "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." 10. And the Disciples came, and said unto him, "Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?" 11. He answered and Said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given. 12. "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13. "Therefore Speak I to them in Parables: 'BECAUSE THEY SEEING SEE NOT; AND HEARING THEY HEAR NOT, NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND.' 14. "And in them is fulfilled the Prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR, AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND; AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE, AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE: 15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART IS WAXED GROSS, AND THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING, AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED; LEST AT ANY TIME THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.' 16. "But Blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17. "For verily I Say unto you, 'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE DESIRED TO SEE THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE, AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM; AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR, AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' 18. "Hear ye therefore The Parable of the Sower. 19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM, AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT, THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE, AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART. THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED BY THE WAY SIDE. 20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED INTO STONY PLACES, THE SAME IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD, AND ANON WITH JOY RECEIVETH IT; 21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF, BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE: FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD, BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED. 22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED AMONG THE THORNS IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD; AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD, AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES, CHOKE THE WORD, AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL. 23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED INTO THE GOOD GROUND IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD, AND UNDERSTANDETH (IT); WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT, AND BRINGETH FORTH, SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD, SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' " Our perceived Universe is modified by our Core Beliefs- our Heartfelt Beliefs. . MARK 11:11-14, 20-26. 11. And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the Temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the Twelve. 12. And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14. And Jesus answered and Said unto it, "No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever." And his Disciples heard it. 20. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, "Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away." 22. And Jesus answering Saith unto them, "Have Faith in God. 23. "For verily I Say unto you, 'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN, "BE THOU REMOVED, AND BE THOU CAST INTO THE SEA;" AND SHALL NOT DOUBT IN HIS HEART, BUT SHALL BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS WHICH HE SAITH SHALL COME TO PASS; HE SHALL HAVE WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.' 24. "Therefore I Say unto you, 'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE, WHEN YE PRAY, BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE THEM, AND YE SHALL HAVE THEM.' 25. "And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also Which is in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26. "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father Which is in Heaven forgive your trespasses." THE FAITH OF WORSHIPPERS OF GOD COMES FROM HEARING THE LOGOS WORD OF GOD IN OUR HEARTS. But we are not the only ones that have that Power. Everything that lives on Earth has that Power. . JOHN 17:17. 17. "Sanctify them through Thy Truth; Thy Word is Truth." THE TRUTH IS NOT KNOWN BY HEARING RHEMA WORDS. The term here is LOGOS. Obviously, Lord Yeshua was not speaking Greek, but the 1st Century Translators from the Aramaic had the Knowledge of exactly which word to use. .. JOHN 6:63. "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words that I Speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." THE TERM LORD YESHUA USES HERE IS RHEMA: THE SPOKEN WORD. If you were raised as a HEBREW ISRAELITE, you would know how to OBTAIN LOGOS Words through RHEMA Words. oaroloye: MEDITATION IS DANGEROUS FOR SINNERS. RIGHTEOUS LIVING stabilizes the Mind, so that one can never succumb to a Temptation to break Commandments one has PHYSICALLY-KEPT ALREADY. . THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE. 1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. POSTULATES; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING. WE EXIST ON EIGHT DYNAMIC LEVELS: . THE EIGHT DYNAMICS. 1. SELF; 2. FAMILY; 3. GROUPS; 4. ALL MANKIND; 5. ALL LIVING THINGS; 6. THE MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time - i.e. PHYSICAL) UNIVERSE; 7. SPIRITS; 8. GOD. [THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard.] BELIEF is the lowest level of Existence; TOTAL UNDERSTANDING is the highest. Lower Levels do not overpower higher levels. Those who fear their Beliefs and Thoughts being changed by Contrary Words do so because they do not PHYSICALLY-APPLY their Beliefs, Thoughts, and Words. . 2nd CORINTHIANS 5:7. 7. [For we walk by Faith, not by sight:] PAUL WAS A LIAR, WHO WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK FOR LORD YESHUA. If we have to walk "by FAITH, not by SIGHT," it is because we are BLIND; Lord Yeshua's Disciples do not DO "BLINDNESS."
THE SCIENTOLOGY TERM "FACSIMILE" IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BIBLICAL TERM "LOGOS." What is most interesting is that L. RON HUBBARD used the term "THETA" the EIGHTH Greek letter, to qualify the sorts of SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGES that Humans normally have. This implies that there are ETA Facsimiles, ZETA Facsimiles, EPSILON Facsimiles, DELTA Facsimiles, GAMMA Facsimiles, BETA Facsimiles, and ALPHA Facsimiles. . 2nd PETER 1:5-9. 5. And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your Faith Virtue, and to Virtue Knowledge, 6. And to Knowledge Temperance, and to Temperance Patience, and to Patience Godliness, 7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness, and to Brotherly Kindness Charity. 8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in The Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old Sins. IF "FAITH" IS A THETA FACSIMILE, AND "CHARITY" IS AN ALPHA FACSIMILE... SURELY YOU HAVE ENOUGH WISDOM TO FIGURE OUT THE REST WITHOUT HELP? . JOHN 8:28-36. 28. Then Said Jesus unto them, "When ye have lifted up The Son of Man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath Taught me, I Speak these things. 29. "And He that sent me is with me: The Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him." 30. As he Spake these Words, many believed on him. 31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my Word, then are ye my Disciples indeed; 32. "And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you Free." 33. They answered him, "We be Abraham's Seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, 'YE SHALL BE MADE FREE?' " 34. Jesus answered them, "Verily, verily, I Say unto you, WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN IS THE SERVANT OF SIN. 35. 'AND THE SERVANT ABIDETH NOT IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER: BUT THE SON ABIDETH EVER.' 36. "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." CONTINUING IN THE WORD OF LORD YESHUA FORCES THE MIND TO CREATE SPECIFIC FACSIMILES WHICH STORE LIFE ENERGIES USED FOR PERCEPTION, CONCEPTION, AND RECALL. These Life Energies are the SEVEN HEAVENLY- Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, and Eta- and the one Earthly: THETA. These are created by the application of FAITH, VIRTUE, KNOWLEDGE, TEMPERANCE, PATIENCE, GODLINESS, BROTHERLY KINDNESS, and CHARITY. Bacteriologist: (4) ATHEISTS ARE THE LOWEST BREED OF HUMAN GARBAGE: YOU NEVER READ ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT FAITH IS REQUIRED TO KNOW THE TRUTH. OYINBO CHRISTIANS and OYINBO ATHEISTS are ON THE SAME TEAM TOGETHER to DESTROY CHRISTIANITY- during the COMMUNIST COLD WAR Atheists joined Seminaries and became Priests and Pastors, for the express purpose of DESTROYING Christianity from WITHIN.
ATHEISTS LIE ABOUT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS- THEIR AGENTS RUNNING CHURCHES TELL THEIR MEMBERS NOT TO RESPOND, REBUKE, AND CORRECT THEM. After a while, GOVERNMENT passes LAWS forbidding the mention, let alone preaching, of the Name of GOD or Lord Yeshua in a GOVERNMENT BUILDING, along the STREETS, and eventually, IN YOUR OWN HOME! FOOLS will say: "That can NEVER happen in NIGERIA!" That is how it happened in EASTERN EUROPE, CHINA, SOUTH-EAST ASIA, and THE SOVIET UNION. In America, they started by banning PRAYER, and now teachers can teach WITCHCRAFT in Schools, but not THE GOSPEL. Nor in any Government building. Churches use LOUDSPEAKERS in SERVICES, and STREET PREACHING to disturb their neighborhoods, so that Laws will have to be passed to silence, and ultimately eliminate Churches altogether. It starts with ATHEISTS telling Christians what we believe. [To be Continued.] |
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