First of all, Mr. OP you are mistaken.

The north has more legislators than the south.

Secondly there is no consensus of what is the southern agenda.
We can only achieve a common goal if we have a common agenda.

One common agenda today should be the decentralisation of the police force to allow state government to control policing.

ItooWorWor:

Ask the ops where is

Sokoto

Yobe

Taraba

Plateau

Yes that's true

Afam4eva:

We should be fighting for some level of autonomy in the name of regionalism or something similar where the center will not have so much power over the constituents. To that end, i don't care whether the north has more power or not as long as it doesn't carry much weight. Because as it is currently, the south is at the mercy of the North.

pls, explain d bolded better.

naptu2:


You will need a constitutional amendment in order to change the shape of Nigeria, in order to add, remove, create any state in Nigeria, etc. That's why all the calls for referendums have been that a clause should be inserted in the constitution to permit a referendum and to give legal backing to the result of a referendum. The territory that makes up Nigeria is spelt out in the constitution (that's why it was difficult for the Lagos State Government to create new local governments during Bola Tinubu's era). Therefore, it will require a constitutional amendment.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/157577-national-conference-provision-referendum-nigerian-constitution-lawmaker.html

https://asknigeria.com.ng/topic/42/what-does-the-law-s-of-nigeria-say-about-referendum


(Lots of people will approach the courts Immediately such a bill is introduced or passed, to get a declaration that the bill is unconstitutional because the National Assembly has no power to alter the shape of Nigeria without a constitutional amendment).

Thanks Naptu, I got it, that 2/3rd is needed in all cases to add, remove or alter the constitution.

The Constitution of 1999 was drafted and made law by Military Provisional Council. Am i correct? Here is the first part of the constitution -

Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999


We the people of the Federal Republic of Nigeria
Having firmly and solemnly resolve, to live in unity and harmony as one indivisible and indissoluble sovereign nation under God, dedicated to the promotion of inter-African solidarity, world peace, international co-operation and understanding
And to provide for a Constitution for the purpose of promoting the good government and welfare of all persons in our country, on the principles of freedom, equality and justice, and for the purpose of consolidating the unity of our people

Do hereby make, enact and give to ourselves the following Constitution:-


This is interesting because the constitution itself is only repealable by another military power.

Ill bring our problem to light a little bit here.

1. South wants restructuring, North does not.
2. North wants to nationalize Sharia, South does not want it.

However, the sitting government continues to exercise executive power to circumvent the constitution in favor of Sharia. This is without doubt a violation of the law but a smart and bold approach. Its like he is saying screw everybody and the constitution, we do what we want...we gave you the constitution and we will disobey it as we please, there is nothing anybody can do! You try nonsense you will have the security force to deal with.

This is a hot yeear! Since the beginning of this year those who speak for North has continued to drop hint of using security force to fight dissenters.

If North is unable to get shariah through executive power or through constitutional amendment it is very likely they will attempt a security force take over, which would repeal the current constitution the same way they did with 1979 constitution. The 79 and 99 constitutions both converted ownership of Nigeria to North.

I suspect they will use security force to sack the National Assembly and then suspend the constitution. Look, if Buhari was in country when Mamman Daura laid siege on National Assembly he would not have intervened as VP Osinbajo did to restore order and then terminate Daura. Buhari would not have intervened nor fire Daura.

We have had two Southern Presidents and neither one had the boldness to restructure the country during his administration. I dont think the next Southern President will have the balls either. A change in the constitution to effect restructuring can only be done by a military take over when they suspend or repeal it. The one we have now was put together by them anyway.

Dumb post

selemempe:
First of all, Mr. OP you are mistaken.

The north has more legislators than the south.

Secondly there is no consensus of what is the southern agenda.
We can only achieve a common goal if we have a common agenda.

One common agenda today should be the decentralisation of the police force to allow state government to control policing.

I have shown you what I have and their numbers. Bring yours lets see and count.

Mr Oga, add those middle belt votes to the northern votes.

In the constitution, there's nothing like middle belt. It's called North Central, emphasis being on the word NORTH.

And just in case you aren't aware, officially, Southern Nigeria is made up of Southwest, Southeast and South-south (I wonder where that is on the cardinal points)

Then Northern Nigeria is made up of Northeast, Northwest and North Central.

Note that there is no middle belt or North-north.

ItooWorWor:

Ask the ops where is

Sokoto

Yobe

Taraba

Plateau

Its added in and South is still in Majority.

FrLukas:
Mr Oga, add that middle belt votes to the northern votes.

In the constitution, there's nothing like middle belt. It's called North Central, emphasis being on the word NORTH.

Im going by how the middle belt people want to be called, not what label the military gave them in constitution.

naptu2:


You didn't get what I'm hinting at, so I'll make it clear.

You are looking at what's required to pass a bill in the House of Representatives. All that's required is a simple majority.

However, a constitutional amendment is different (all the things that you listed require constitutional amendments).

In order to amend the constitution, you need

1) ⅔rd majority of votes in the House of Representatives.

2) ⅔rd majority of votes in the Senate

3) ⅔rd majority of votes in ⅔rd of all the state houses of assembly in Nigeria.

This is why, although voice votes are usually used in the National Assembly, electronic voting is used when they are amending the constitution, because they must count each vote to determine if they've gotten ⅔ majority.

You are educated and grounded. I can see you did not allow your emotions to determine how you interpret the constitution.

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MayorofLagos:


Thanks Naptu, I got it, that 2/3rd is needed in all cases to add, remove or alter the constitution.



1. South wants restructuring, North does not.
2. North wants to nationalize Sharia, South does not want it.

This is basically the issue. It's like the provision that requires "spread" in presidential, governorship and local government elections. It is not enough for a candidate for the presidency to win majority of votes in the election. He must also win 2/3rd of the votes in 2/3rd of the states. This is to ensure that no single region can determine who will be president. A candidate must win in multiple regions before he can be declared the winner.

Similarly, I told people that said that Buhari was going to "Islamise" Nigeria that it was not possible under our current constitution. You would need to get the consent of 2/3rd votes of 2/3rd of the state houses of assembly and that's impossible.

MayorofLagos:


Thanks Naptu, I got it, that 2/3rd is needed in all cases to add, remove or alter the constitution.

The Constitution of 1999 was drafted and made law by Military Provisional Council. Am i correct? Here is the first part of the constitution -

Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999


We the people of the Federal Republic of Nigeria
Having firmly and solemnly resolve, to live in unity and harmony as one indivisible and indissoluble sovereign nation under God, dedicated to the promotion of inter-African solidarity, world peace, international co-operation and understanding
And to provide for a Constitution for the purpose of promoting the good government and welfare of all persons in our country, on the principles of freedom, equality and justice, and for the purpose of consolidating the unity of our people

Do hereby make, enact and give to ourselves the following Constitution:-


This is interesting because the constitution itself is only repealable by another military power.

Ill bring our problem to light a little bit here.

1. South wants restructuring, North does not.
2. North wants to nationalize Sharia, South does not want it.

However, the sitting government continues to exercise executive power to circumvent the constitution in favor of Sharia. This is without doubt a violation of the law but a smart and bold approach. Its like he is saying screw everybody and the constitution, we do what we want...we gave you the constitution and we will disobey it as we please, there is nothing anybody can do! You try nonsense you will have the security force to deal with.

This is a hot yeear! Since the beginning of this year those who speak for North has continued to drop hint of using security force to fight dissenters.

If North is unable to get shariah through executive power or through constitutional amendment it is very likely they will attempt a security force take over, which would repeal the current constitution the same way they did with 1979 constitution. The 79 and 99 constitutions both converted ownership of Nigeria to North.

I suspect they will use security force to sack the National Assembly and then suspend the constitution. Look, if Buhari was in country when Mamman Daura laid siege on National Assembly he would not have intervened as VP Osinbajo did to restore order and then terminate Daura. Buhari would not have intervened nor fire Daura.

We have had two Southern Presidents and neither one had the boldness to restructure the country during his administration. I dont think the next Southern President will have the balls either. A change in the constitution to effect restructuring can only be done by a military take over when they suspend or repeal it. The one we have now was put together by them anyway.

So are you going to invite the military to overthrow an democratically elected government Please becareful of treasonable felony and the consequences anytime you are on SM.

2metrelaurie:


we are not northerners. We have no similarity in culture, tradition or religion with them. They only include us as North when they want to achieve their selfish political agenda, after that we're left and abandoned. This nonsense must stop we are central Nigerians

same with jos, the hausas are there cos of proximity to them.

I do know benue, jos, maybe kogi too would pick any available avenue to be free from the anarchists

naptu2:


This is basically the issue. It's like the provision that requires "spread" in presidential, governorship and local government elections. It is not enough for a candidate for the presidency to win majority of votes in the election. He must also win 2/3rd of the votes in 2/3rd of the states. This is to ensure that no single region can determine who will be president. A candidate must win in multiple regions before he can be declared the winner.

Similarly, I told people that said that Buhari was going to "Islamise" Nigeria that it was not possible under our current constitution. You would need to get the consent of 2/3rd votes of 2/3rd of the state houses of assembly and that's impossible.

I see your point.

There is a diplomatic option available and I will give example. I know you are aware, but not many people know that Lagos State is a Sister-City to Atlanta City in USA. The constitution has not forbidden cultural fraternity across sovereign boundary. Using Yoruba as an example, cultural identity with Brazil and Cuba. Either of the countries, or both, could sponsor UN intervention on grounds that Yoruba is their Holy Land, as Mecca is to Muslims and Vatican is to Catholics, continued existence of Yoruba in Nigeria is a threat to articles of history and divine faith both of which have tangible values to their people for spiritual growth and sustenance.

Yoruba cannot initiate a UN intervention since it is not a sovereing on its own but another sovereing can initiate one on its behalf and introduce convincing evidence and even call professional historians, anthropologists and theologians to deliver evidence and proof beyond doubt that if Yoruba continues in Nigeria the forces of destruction is a living threat and the Holy Land to millions of Osun and Ifa adherents around the world will suffer an irreparable loss.

MayorofLagos:

Its added in and South is still in Majority.

How

Xposed2020:





So are you going to invite the military to overthrow an democratically elected government Please becareful of treasonable felony and the consequences anytime you are on SM.

Even if i invite them they will ignore my invitation. I possess no such powers. If i did have a power like that I would do some very radical things that will change Nigerian structure.

Imagination is powerful. I have a very deep and omni-present imagination.

Because I do not have a power to invite a change of government my radicality is a handicap and of no use but I can express the thought as simple and wisely convenient to do.

There has been precedence, many of it, in which government was overthrown and the govt was changed. After the fact, those radical agents were recognized legally and accepted as heroes of Nigeria.

If you go to government house pictures of Abacha hangs on the wall, Buhari is there, IBB is there. They are precedence cases of what I talk about and no one has ever taken them to court and convicted them for staging coup or for crime against the sovereingty. So I dont see anything wrong in expressing ideas on what could happen in the current political environment.

naptu2:


This is basically the issue. It's like the provision that requires "spread" in presidential, governorship and local government elections. It is not enough for a candidate for the presidency to win majority of votes in the election. He must also win 2/3rd of the votes in 2/3rd of the states. This is to ensure that no single region can determine who will be president. A candidate must win in multiple regions before he can be declared the winner.

Similarly, I told people that said that Buhari was going to "Islamise" Nigeria that it was not possible under our current constitution. You would need to get the consent of 2/3rd votes of 2/3rd of the state houses of assembly and that's impossible.

The bold face refers.

The requirement according to section 133(b) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended) is one-quarter (25% or 1/4 or one-fourth) of votes in 2/3 states and Abuja.

It is not 2/3rd of votes of 2/3rd states.

It doesn't matter even of its true ALL IT TAKES IS A PROMISE OF 3097 PRESIDENCY THE NORTH WILL DISMANTLE SOUTH


RESTRUCTURING SAVE NOTHING


DISINTEGRATIONG WILL

FrLukas:
Mr Oga, add those middle belt votes to the northern votes.

In the constitution, there's nothing like middle belt. It's called North Central, emphasis being on the word NORTH.

And just in case you aren't aware, officially, Southern Nigeria is made up of Southwest, Southeast and South-south (I wonder where that is on the cardinal points)

Then Northern Nigeria is made up of Northeast, Northwest and North Central.

Note that there is no middle belt or North-north.

What is your business with where South South is? You people are just too annoying. No wonder you have issues with everyone. Imagine dissing so many tribes that have identified as South South.

2metrelaurie:


we are not northerners. We have no similarity in culture, tradition or religion with them. They only include us as North when they want to achieve their selfish political agenda, after that we're left and abandoned. This nonsense must stop we are central Nigerians

...but you guys have supported their cause times without count.
Truth be told,your relationship has been quite mutual,and less selfish.The South wouldn't have given you close to the political opportunity you've had with them.

Xposed2020:





So are you going to invite the military to overthrow an democratically elected government Please becareful of treasonable felony and the consequences anytime you are on SM.

Do not comment on issues above your brain capacity. Where in his post did he imply that?

political drama

porka:


The bold face refers.

The requirement according to section 133(b) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended) is one-quarter (25% or 1/4 or one-fourth) of votes in 2/3 states and Abuja.

It is not 2/3rd of votes of 2/3rd states.

Thank you

Zooposki:


What is your business with where South South is? You people are just too annoying. No wonder you have issues with everyone. Imagine dissing so many tribes that have identified as South South.

The problem with placing one's opinions on the internet is having to deal with illiterates who can't read to understand.

Open a simple atlas map or any geography textbook and point out the cardinal point designated as South-south if you can.

Then, when you're done, relate it with my earlier post, this time reading carefully.

Hopefully, you will come to the formerly missed conclusion that there's no insult in my post that you quoted.

FrLukas:
Mr Oga, add those middle belt votes to the northern votes.

In the constitution, there's nothing like middle belt. It's called North Central, emphasis being on the word NORTH.

And just in case you aren't aware, officially, Southern Nigeria is made up of Southwest, Southeast and South-south (I wonder where that is on the cardinal points)

Then Northern Nigeria is made up of Northeast, Northwest and North Central.

Note that there is no middle belt or North-north.

Apparently you do not appreciate that the geographical zoning is an approximation to situate and align, as best as possible, a congruence of people with similar cultural background and root. So that all those with majority Hausa-Fulani background were called NW. All those with majority Kanuri background were called NE. All those with non majority of either of Hausa-Fulani or Kanuri background were called NC.

This zoning is not representative.

The list and count I presented is representative. In their representation the people have indeed identified themseves as a people of Middle Belt, and not a Northern people. In Middle Belt, Hausa-Fulani is a minority, so is Kanuri. The people of Middle Belt have rejected to be tagged with the identity of minority in their midst, which is North.

Again, focus on representative identity, which is what this thread is about.

FrLukas:


The problem with placing one's opinions on the internet is having to deal with illiterates who can't read to understand.

Open a simple atlas map or any geography textbook and point out the cardinal point designated as South-south if you can.

Then, when you're done, relate it with my earlier post, this time reading carefully.

Hopefully, you will come to the formerly missed conclusion that there's no insult in my post that you quoted.

Yes we all know there is no South south if you are trying to be formal, but in Nigeria such a term exists to designate some certain states, do stop playing the ostrich and

FrLukas:


The problem with placing one's opinions on the internet is having to deal with illiterates who can't read to understand.

Open a simple atlas map or any geography textbook and point out the cardinal point designated as South-south if you can.

Then, when you're done, relate it with my earlier post, this time reading carefully.

Hopefully, you will come to the formerly missed conclusion that there's no insult in my post that you quoted.

Yes we all know there is no South south if you are trying to be formal, but in Nigeria such a term exists, which is used to designate some certain states, so quit playing the ostrich and be respectful. Problem with you guys is that you all suffer from grandiose delusions and narcissistic personality disorder.

bahaushe1:
Senate
North - 58
South - 51
Total - 109
House of Representatives
North - 191
South - 169
Total - 360

MayorofLagos, I'd like you to respond to this.

FrLukas:
Mr Oga, add those middle belt votes to the northern votes.

In the constitution, there's nothing like middle belt. It's called North Central, emphasis being on the word NORTH.

And just in case you aren't aware, officially, Southern Nigeria is made up of Southwest, Southeast and South-south (I wonder where that is on the cardinal points)

Then Northern Nigeria is made up of Northeast, Northwest and North Central.

Note that there is no middle belt or North-north.

Wouldn't it be nice if you also showed us where the bolded is on the cardinal points?

You want autonomy like SS/SE but you keep fighting the interest of these regions even when its fully aligned with autonomy. You support Bubu vehemently as if you believe Bubu will restructure Nigeria. Bubu is the last person on earth that would allow restructuring. I dont understand you at all!

Afam4eva:

We should be fighting for some level of autonomy in the name of regionalism or something similar where the center will not have so much power over the constituents. To that end, i don't care whether the north has more power or not as long as it doesn't carry much weight. Because as it is currently, the south is at the mercy of the North.

That 1999 constitution did not come from a national or sovereign national conference and as such Illegitimate. The people never contributed to the constitution rather it was imposed. Suffice to say we dont have a constitution until a sovereign national conference where all ethnic nationalities will be represented and renegotiate our existence together!

naptu2:


A lot of these things require constitutional amendment. What is the procedure for amending the constitution and what kind of majority do you need to amend the constitution?