kokanepyramid:

Since when did Obama become the metric on How Executive pardons should be utilised?

Keep convulsing like a rapid dog you’ll need loads of wipes cos you gon’ convulse till 2024 at least.

Senseless

Kopfschmerzenmd:


Senseless

I’m sure it would have made sense and Trump would have been right by you had he asked Hillary to recommend those he should pardon.


Sore loser

raumdeuter:


Obama granted clemency to Chelsea Manning, who exposed US security secrets
Obama did the same for Oscar Rivera a man who was part of FALN a group that bombed US locations

Thanks for showing your dishonesty.

Chelsea Manning is a hero. She exposed how the usa military killed civilians in airstrikes both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes, She broke the law but considering what she educated the public on, it makes sense for her to be pardoned.



Now, you are comparing this to Trump who pardined rich scammers and thieves who were his friends or associates. Is that the same?

garetz:
Net Worth Before Presidency:
Trump $3.7B
Obama $1.3M
Clinton $700K
Carter $150K

Estimated Net Worth Today:
Trump $3B
Obama $134M
Clinton $243M
Carter $8.5M

Remind me who’s corrupt again

1. Trump hasn't served 8 years or even a full term like Obama

2. How can anyone ascertain trunps true wealth when no one has his tax returns?

3. Can you point to any Presidential policies Obama used to enrich himself? I can point to many Trump did eg positioning his family in federal govt business. Using his hotel for official govt business.

garetz:
Net Worth Before Presidency:
Trump $3.7B
Obama $1.3M
Clinton $700K
Carter $150K

Estimated Net Worth Today:
Trump $3B
Obama $134M
Clinton $243M
Carter $8.5M

Remind me who’s corrupt again

Rubbish analysis,

Go and read the latest news about how Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself by making multiple trips to his property portfolio in Florida, bedminster, just to name a few.

JeromeBlack:
Thanks for showing your dishonesty.

Chelsea Manning is a hero. She exposed how the usa military killed civilians in airstrikes both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes, She broke the law but considering what she educated the public on, it makes sense for her to be pardoned.

Now, you are comparing this to Trump who pardined rich scammers and thieves who were his friends or associates. Is that the same?

Who is Chelsea Mannings allegiance to? To US or to Iraq?

Her action exposed American soldiers on foreign soil to more attacks but she doesnt care she did it anyway

Thats the problem with you liberals you care more about Non Americans than Americans. You were wailing about the people coming in the caravan while there are thousands homeless on the street of LA NewYork and major American cities

You spent days wailing about Soulemani who killed Americans, You are here celebrating another person who puts her own interest and Iraqis over Americans

raumdeuter:


Who is Chelsea Mannings allegiance to? To US or to Iraq?

Her action exposed American soldiers on foreign soil to more attacks but she doesnt care she did it anyway

Her actions also exposed the war crimes of America.

JeromeBlack:


Her actions also exposed the war crimes of America.

Thats the problem with you liberals you care more about Non Americans than Americans. You were wailing about the people coming in the caravan while there are thousands homeless on the street of LA NewYork and major American cities

You spent days wailing about Soulemani who killed Americans, You are here celebrating another person who puts her own interest and Iraqis over Americans

raumdeuter:


Thats the problem with you liberals you care more about Non Americans than Americans. You were wailing about the people coming in the caravan while there are thousands homeless on the street of LA NewYork and major American cities

You spent days wailing about Soulemani who killed Americans, You are here celebrating another person who puts her own interest and Iraqis over Americans

Is the American government not run by Americans?

Why should the American government be killing civilians in a war?

That is the point.

JeromeBlack:
Is the American government not run by Americans?
Why should the American government be killing civilians in a war?
That is the point.

Any soldier who kills civilian, there is a military process to handle such not for people to be leaking security information that puts American soldiers in danger

When people are fighting Americans do they discriminate against civilians. When Al Qaeda was bombing America did they separate civilians from non civilians.

raumdeuter:


Any soldier who kills civilian, there is a military process to handle such not for people to be leaking security information that puts American soldiers in danger

When people are fighting Americans do they discriminate against civilians. When Al Qaeda was bombing America did they separate civilians from non civilians.

Very naive comment.

1. There was a military cover up of the incident. That is why the videos of killing civilians were leaked. Jesus christ man, use your head.

2. Is Al Qaeda a legitimate military force or a terrorist group. Are you comparing them to American military that is bound by international conventions?

JeromeBlack:



Very naive comment.

1. There was a military cover up of the incident. That is why the videos of killing civilians were leaked. Jesus christ man, use your head.

2. Is Al Qaeda a legitimate military force or a terrorist group. Are you comparing them to American military that is bound by international conventions?

1. Did she report the incident up her chain of command

2. Did the Afghanistan government cooperate by handing over the Al Qaeda who were using the country as a cover and a ground to attack America?

garetz:
Dems are mad at Trump for “abusing” his pardon power.

Total Presidential pardons:

Carter: 566
Reagan: 406
H.W Bush: 77
Clinton : 459
George W: 200
Obama: 1,927
Trump: 26

Please, by all means, educate me on abuse of power.

Wow. See how they changed topic to al-Qaeda immediately you posted this

Mini Mike Bloomberg hit the Debate stage last night and he got spanked very badly

SenecaTheYonger:


Wow. See how they changed topic to al-Qaeda immediately you posted this

Nobody changed the topic to al Qaeda. The issue here are the people who were pardoned.

Trump pardoned his paddies and those that his paddies recommended

coluka:
Mini Mike Bloomberg hit the Debate stage last night and he got spanked very badly

That was sweet. My man, Sanders dealt with him too.

coluka:
Mini Mike Bloomberg hit the Debate stage last night and he got spanked very badly

Yeah,by dealing with issues on race and gender and not abusing people's wives and fathers like the orange one did the last time he was on debate stage

JeromeBlack:



Nobody changed the topic to al Qaeda. The issue here are the people who were pardoned.

Trump pardoned his paddies and those that his paddies recommended

So let's impeach him then?

coluka:
Mini Mike Bloomberg hit the Debate stage last night and he got spanked very badly

...Michael Bloomberg...thinking he can buy his way to the democratic nomination...as a commentary said, "Bloomberg's performance was like a fart in a church - hugely embarrassing, but you just try to forget about it and hope the smell doesn't linger too long"...

...So who is Michael Bloomberg...

.... An electrical engineer with a Harvard MBA who went on to head equity trading and systems development at Salomon Brothers... Bloomberg created the startup we call Bloomberg LLP today after being laid off from Salomon.... If the business world had a grand slam or EGOT - he would be recognized for an empire that excels in finance, data, software and media....

...I'm not a fan of him...(someone similar to Trump, albeit more intelligent and a proper billionaire), but if his money and his previous support of racist policies are his major flaws then he will 'likely' win the nomination....his performance last night was shocking...not that I expect much...his political ideology is shaking - from being a republican to independent and then a democrat - very similar to our own Atiku Abubakar...

...Trump on the other hand... has always aspired to be Bloomberg - rich, respected, smart, and media savvy.... He even got the idea of working for no presidential salary from Bloomberg who famously took a salary of $1 annually from NYC when he was mayor.... As for Bloomberg's backstory - think of him as a modern day Robin Hood who made his fortune off of Wall Street who chose public service and a life of philanthropy. Best of all - his company is privately owned and he has access to data and media that money can't buy...and has his tax returns intact...unlike Emperor Trump (the whole country is still waiting for the most 'transparent president' ever to release his tax returns)...

...Michael Bloomberg is the inevitable result of a country that worships money, fame and a great backstory...the DNC should plead with him to drop out of the race and support them financially...

While our debate was about issues, the other guys were going for their wives, children and fathers.

Dems: Trump shouldn’t take credit for the growing economy, Obama had set it on auto before leaving office.

Dems again: US is experiencing its slowest growth under Trump!!!


How’s this far from madness.

It seems Roger Stones is going to get the 9 years after all.

Lawyer: Assange was offered U.S. pardon if he cleared Russia

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/19/julian-assange-pardon-cleared-russia-116109

LONDON — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange plans to claim during an extradition hearing that the Trump administration offered him a pardon if he agreed to say Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic National Committee emails during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, a lawyer for Assange said Wednesday.

Assange is being held at a British prison while fighting extradition to the United States on spying charges. His full court hearing is due to begin next week.

At a preliminary hearing held in London, lawyer Edward Fitzgerald said now-former Republican congressman, Dana Rohrabacher, visited Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in August 2017.

Fitzgerald said a statement from another Assange lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, recounted “Mr. Rohrabacher going to see Mr. Assange and saying, on instructions from the president, he was offering a pardon or some other way out, if Mr. Assange ... said Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.”

Responding to the the lawyer’s claims, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said, “This is absolutely and completely false.”

President Donald Trump “barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject,” Grisham said. “It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never-ending hoax and total lie from the DNC.”

Recounting his meeting with the WikiLeaks founder, Rohrabacher said he told him “that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him. At no time did I offer a deal made by the President, nor did I say I was representing the President.”

...bolded...

Kopfschmerzenmd:
It seems Roger Stones is going to get the 9 years after all.

...Just 40 months plus $20,000 fine

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/feb/20/roger-stone-sentenced-democrats-debate-bloomberg-trump

Kopfschmerzenmd:
It seems Roger Stones is going to get the 9 years after all.

TheShopKeeper:


...Just 40 months plus $20,000 fine

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/feb/20/roger-stone-sentenced-democrats-debate-bloomberg-trump

The sentence is suspended at the moment as it will not be enforced until Stone's application for a new trial because of jury bias is heard by the court, if the court determines that the application has merit then he won't serve it at all, we will be having a new trial altogether. Evidence abounds that the jury was indeed biased and I predict there will be a new trial. All these are ultimately irrelevant because I believe that no matter what the outcome of this case is, Trump will grant Stone a pardon if needed to keep him out of jail.

TheShopKeeper:
Lawyer: Assange was offered U.S. pardon if he cleared Russia

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/19/julian-assange-pardon-cleared-russia-116109

LONDON — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange plans to claim during an extradition hearing that the Trump administration offered him a pardon if he agreed to say Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic National Committee emails during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, a lawyer for Assange said Wednesday.

Assange is being held at a British prison while fighting extradition to the United States on spying charges. His full court hearing is due to begin next week.

At a preliminary hearing held in London, lawyer Edward Fitzgerald said now-former Republican congressman, Dana Rohrabacher, visited Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in August 2017.

Fitzgerald said a statement from another Assange lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, recounted “Mr. Rohrabacher going to see Mr. Assange and saying, on instructions from the president, he was offering a pardon or some other way out, if Mr. Assange ... said Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.”

Responding to the the lawyer’s claims, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said, “This is absolutely and completely false.”

President Donald Trump “barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject,” Grisham said. “It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never-ending hoax and total lie from the DNC.”

Recounting his meeting with the WikiLeaks founder, Rohrabacher said he told him “that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him. At no time did I offer a deal made by the President, nor did I say I was representing the President.”

...bolded...

.... BOLDED....

coluka:

The sentence is suspended at the moment as it will not be enforced until Stone's application for a new trial because of jury bias is heard by the court, if the court determines that the application has merit then he won't serve it at all, we will be having a new trial altogether. Evidence abounds that the jury was indeed biased and I predict there will be a new trial. All these are ultimately irrelevant because I believe that no matter what the outcome of this case is, Trump will grant Stone a pardon if needed to keep him out of jail.

checkmate

coluka:

The sentence is suspended at the moment as it will not be enforced until Stone's application for a new trial because of jury bias is heard by the court, if the court determines that the application has merit then he won't serve it at all, we will be having a new trial altogether. Evidence abounds that the jury was indeed biased and I predict there will be a new trial. All these are ultimately irrelevant because I believe that no matter what the outcome of this case is, Trump will grant Stone a pardon if needed to keep him out of jail.

Trump has to win elections first.

Should Trump lose this election, he will suffer dearly

Bernie Sanders claims to be a socialist, but:

—He spent 1.2 million on private jets last year

—He flies first class when he’s not on one

—He owns three homes including a “summer camp” in Vermont

—He’s worth $2.5 million

—He donated less than 1% of his income to charity

JeromeBlack:



Trump has to win elections first.

Should Trump lose this election, he will suffer dearly

He will win, New Quinnipiac poll out of Wisconsin has Trump beating every Democrat in November

Trump v. Klobuchar—11 points

Trump v. Warren—10 points

Trump v. Buttigieg—8 points

Trump v. Sanders—7 points

Trump v. Biden—7 points

Facts:

The jury forewoman in Roger Stone's case lied to the judge and said she had "no recollection" of who Roger Stone was

But her twitter is filled with tweets about Roger Stone

She lied under oath

Why shouldn't she get 40 months in prison & $20k fine?

3 years and 4 months & a 20,000 dollar fine for Roger Stone

What about the biased jurors?

What about the hyper-partisan prosecutors?

Did the Obama judge take any of that into account?

This is a complete sham

Roger Stone shouldn't spend a DAY in prison