benodic:
@ Bukky244




You need to take that passage into contemplation to get a deeper insight into what it was addressing. The Shariyat -Ki-Sugmad is not to be taking literally.

OK. Kindly share your understanding of this passage.

"Things change. After all, isn’t change the very nature of life? Nothing is ever the same."
--Harold Klemp

@ Bukky244

You need to take that passage into contemplation to get a deeper insight into what it was addressing. The Shariyat -Ki-Sugmad is not to be taking literally.

OK. Kindly share your understanding of this passage

We don't spoon feed people in Eckankar. What you will get from the contemplation will be in accordance to your state of conscioiusness

benodic:

@ Bukky244






We don't spoon feed people in Eckankar. What you will get from the contemplation will be in accordance to your state of conscioiusness

OK, you kind of sound esoteric. Your vocabulary sounds like those of New Age religions. Is Eckankar like Scientology, WICCA etc.?

@ Bukky244

OK, you kind of sound esoteric. Your vocabulary sounds like those of New Age religions. Is Eckankar like Scientology, WICCA etc.?

Eckankar is a Religion on its own and definitely not like Scientology or WICCA. it is The Path of Spiritual Freedom, Ancient Wisdom for Today and its teachings centres on Soul going back home to God to become a Co-Worker with God.

benodic:
@ Bukky244



Eckankar is a Religion on its own and definitely not like Scientology or WICCA. it is The Path of Spiritual Freedom, Ancient Wisdom for Today and its teachings centres on Soul going back home to God to become a Co-Worker with God.

I tried to google how Eckankar started. I learnt the the founder, Paul Twitchell was an ex-Scientologist and a member of Surat Shabd Yoga. Eckankar is a very dangerous organization. Soul travel/Astral projection, which is the core of experiencing the light and sound of the ECK god is very dangerous. You need to quit asap!

To see the Light and hear the Sound is to experience spiritual upliftment that pulls you into the worlds of knowing."
-Harold Klemp

Bukky244:


I tried to google how Eckankar started. I learnt the the founder, Paul Twitchell was an ex-Scientologist and a member of Surat Shabd Yoga. Eckankar is a very dangerous organization. Soul travel/Astral projection, which is the core of experiencing the light and sound of the ECK god is very dangerous. You need to quit asap!

the person you are talking to has been in Eckankar for donkey years!

Anyway, from my own personal experience with them, they are generally harmless and encourage members to show love to everyone.

@benodic I chanted hu for a while sometime in the past, and guess what?!...

nothing happened

benjanjo1:



the person you are talking to has been in Eckankar for donkey years!

Anyway, from my own personal experience with them, they are generally harmless and encourage members to show love to everyone.

@benodic I chanted hu for a while sometime in the past, and guess what?!...

nothing happened

Eckankar encourages people to leave their bodies and travel to dimensions/planes where they meet with all kinds of spirit beings. Sometimes, they even have sex with these beings. These entities that they interact with when they soul travel is nothing but demons! Why would someone want to be friend with demons?

@ benjanjo1

the person you are talking to has been in Eckankar for donkey years! grin

Anyway, from my own personal experience with them, they are generally harmless and encourage members to show love to everyone.

@benodic I chanted hu for a while sometime in the past, and guess what?!...

nothing happened grin grin grin

My dear I have been seeing people like that for a long time now. It doesn't bother me a bit. It is a free world and God has provided many paths and Religions for people to follow. Just find the path that fits your state of consciousness and concentrate on finding God. That is what matters.
May The Blessings Be.

Bukky244:


Eckankar encourages people to leave their bodies and travel to dimensions/planes where they meet with all kinds of spirit beings. Sometimes, they even have sex with these beings. These entities that they interact with when they soul travel is nothing but demons! Why would someone want to be friend with demons?

errrmmm... the "sex with demons" allegation is a bit outlandish! I suggest we refrain from criticizing what we don't know.

When you ask for truth and your heart is pure, Divine Spirit will take you one step closer home to God.
-Harold Klemp
The Language Of Soul

benjanjo1:


errrmmm... the "sex with demons" allegation is a bit outlandish! I suggest we refrain from criticizing what we don't know.

I did some research on astral project/soul travel when I saw OP,s post. So, sex with spirit entities or other members of the sect during soul travel is a reality. If he shares all his experiences during his long sojourn with Eckankar, you will hear some startling things from his mouth. That is if he chose to share them.

@ Bukky244

I did some research on astral project/soul travel when I saw OP,s post. So, sex with spirit entities or other members of the sect during soul travel is a reality. If he shares all his experiences during his long sojourn with Eckankar, you will hear some startling things from his mouth. That is if he chose to share them.

Usually I ignore people like you because in Eckankar we have nothing to hide and nothing to prove to anyone either.
I am only responding to your baseless post due to other people you may mislead and who might take my silence as accepting your so called research.
If I share my experiences during my long sojourn in Eckankar, the only startling things you will hear will be wonderful experiences with the Holy Spirit that have completely liberated me from the shackles of ignorance that is still holding a lot of people hostage.
The only way you can know truth is to experience it within yourself and not paper research that throws up more lies and misleading information.
The choice of course is up to you.
May The Blessings Be.

A Soul that completes a certain level of purification then graduates to a higher level of choice, experience, and service."
--Harold Klemp

Bukky244:


I did some research on astral project/soul travel when I saw OP,s post. So, sex with spirit entities or other members of the sect during soul travel is a reality. If he shares all his experiences during his long sojourn with Eckankar, you will hear some startling things from his mouth. That is if he chose to share them.

you are basing your allegation on "research" into astral projection and people who practice it? Am I right?

I don't know a lot about Eckankar and it's doctrines, but from the little I know, the term "soul travel" and "astral projection" are not exactly the same thing.

Secondly, this your research and the conclusion you drew from it still seems a bit far fetched. Do you mind posting links or peer reviewed articles to back up your claims. Please post those that specifically indicts Eckankar members of having sex with demons.

benjanjo1:



you are basing your allegation on "research" into astral projection and people who practice it? Am I right?

I don't know a lot about Eckankar and it's doctrines, but from the little I know, the term "soul travel" and "astral projection" are not exactly the same thing.

Secondly, this your research and the conclusion you drew from it still seems a bit far fetched. Do you mind posting links or peer reviewed articles to back up your claims. Please post those that specifically indicts Eckankar members of having sex with demons.

I think I misused the term "research" in my response. I ought to have say "a search on google". Soul travel and astral projection are both out of body experience. The only difference being that astral projection stops at the astral plane. The reference to sex with spirit entities was cited as my findings on what sometimes happen when people engage in soul travel. It was not referring specifically to Eck members. There are so many New Age/Occult organizations that teach soul travel/astral projection. My search on google was referring to these practise generally. So, there is no peer reviewed article to present to you.

Bukky244:


I think I misused the term "research" in my response. I ought to have say "a search on google". Soul travel and astral projection are both out of body experience. The only difference being that astral projection stops at the astral plane. The reference to sex with spirit entities was cited as my findings on what sometimes happen when people engage in soul travel. It was not referring specifically to Eck members. There are so many New Age/Occult organizations that teach soul travel/astral projection. My search on google was referring to these practise generally. So, there is no peer reviewed article to present to you.

so in essence, you just generalized...

well, I am not holding brief for the Eck people, but it will be good if criticisms against religious groups and their beliefs/practices be based on verifiable facts...

I was told that Nigeria is one of the strongholds of Eckankar especially here in Africa. If their practices are as vile as you have suggested, how come their numbers are as large as they are

benjanjo1:



so in essence, you just generalized...

well, I am not holding brief for the Eck people, but it will be good if criticisms against religious groups and their beliefs/practices be based on verifiable facts...

I was told that Nigeria is one of the strongholds of Eckankar especially here in Africa. If their practices are as vile as you have suggested, how come their numbers are as large as they are

In my own opinion, someone leaving his body (willingly) to travel to other dimensions/planes is witchcraft. Do you think witchcraft is good?

Bukky244:


In my own opinion, someone leaving his body (willingly) to travel to other dimensions/planes is witchcraft. Do you think witchcraft is good?

fortunately, we do not share the same opinion about witchcraft. let's stop derailing this thread

The point of any religion should be this: how to open your heart to Love.
-Harold Klemp
Love-The Keystone Of Life

Soul Travel is simply Soul’s movement to God."
--Harold Klemp

benjanjo1:


fortunately, we do not share the same opinion about witchcraft. let's stop derailing this thread

Hi, l found Eckankar on this thread and l am grateful for the numerous blessings of the Holy Spirit.

As you can see with benjanjo1, the problem lies in the existent preconditioning of especially the average Christian mind. You only need to say "...from the pit of hell..." and the 'algorithm' kicks in, numbing the mind into a state of fear or withdrawal. Technically, this is part of the 'crafts'--which ironically is what's keeping orthodox religions afloat.

Simple contemplations, in a way they are equivalent to prayer."
--Harold Klemp

We are required spiritually to act with the greatest degree of responsibility both to ourselves and to others. This is what it means to be part of the community of Spirit, of the ECK—to be part of the cosmic system of life.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

How can we face life as we find it? The key is always through the Spiritual Exercises of ECK."
--Harold Klemp

At times Divine Spirit heals directly, at other times It leads one to the right medical doctor. Sometimes It will assist in the healing and treatment we are presently undergoing. We must inwardly turn everything over to the guidance of this Supreme Force while making every effort to find the most suitable medical help.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Seek God with a pure heart and you will find him.

Harold Klemp
Autobiography Of A Modern Prophet

You cannot measure spirituality by the number of bad habits you have or not. Nor by a certain number of experiences. Awareness of the moment and a joy for living can also be an indication of where you are spiritually.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

"Every choice, as you’re learning, bears a consequence."
--Harold Klemp

Facing life gracefully is the first step to giving of yourself to others."
--Harold Klemp

The higher you go in awareness, the more you expect of yourself, because Divine Spirit is saying to you, "There is always a better way to do it." It gently nudges you to bring out the best.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul