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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by zendi: 8:15pm On Mar 02, 2020
happney65:
Who does not make mistakes?Do you know how many grammatical errors Trump himself has made or nonesense he has uttered?He is Human like every one of us..

We are talking about electability here and throwing up sanders will make trump to win bigly..that is why the Russians want sanders to win..that is why trump went all the way to dig up dirt on Biden because he knows he is the only one that can beat him..

Throw up Sanders and see how trump would win..As in win Bigly..They will run series of articles which is already running by the way on Fox news about socialism and the evil of socialism..even obama sef go vote for Trump...A worst trump is better than a socialist anyway any time...

If I were to be american,I will even vote for Trump than sanders..sanders wayre woo
Trump is not into grammatical exactitude.
Trump speaks workaday American Trumpeze,
But Biden did not remember whether his late son was attorney general of USA or of Delaware.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by PDPGuy(op): 8:35pm On Mar 02, 2020
raumdeuter:
I see Sanders sweeping almost 10 states tomorrow. The closer Sanders is to the nomination, the closer a Trump second term is
Yes. Then Biden may win 2 or 3 southern states, while Bloomberg may carry Florida.
After Tuesday, the race will be all about denying Sanders 1,991 pledged delegates needed to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by zendi:
zendi:
Trump is not into grammatical exactitude.
Trump speaks workaday American Trumpeze,
But Biden did not remember whether his late son was attorney general of USA or of Delaware.
So imagine President Biden is visiting India and tells the Indians,
"Your great nation, Pakistan, is a good friend of America". grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Chrisbeks: 8:53pm On Mar 02, 2020
happney65:
Klobuchar is endorsing Biden and I hope Buttigieg will do the same too.
Buttigieg will endorse Biden, there's no way he will endorse Sanders. With many moderates dropping out and the moderate votes consolidating around one or two candidates, Bernie Sanders will not be able to win enough delegates to become the nominee. At best he will be hoping for a contested convention
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 8:55pm On Mar 02, 2020
Chrisbeks:
Buttigieg will endorse Biden, there's no way he will endorse Sanders. With many moderates dropping out and the moderate votes consolidating around one or two candidates, Bernie Sanders will not be able to win enough delegates to become the nominee. At best he will be hoping for a contested convention
Exactly..that is what I am hoping for and which will happen..The Grand Old spoiler should go and sit somewhere and go lick his wounds...
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 9:09pm On Mar 02, 2020
The stock market rebounds!!

Dow gets back over 25,000 and still climbing
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 9:15pm On Mar 02, 2020
Does anyone know why Tulsi Gabbard hasn't dropped out? Does she really believe she has a chance to win?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by PDPGuy(op): 9:17pm On Mar 02, 2020
garetz:
Does anyone know why Tulsi Gabbard hasn't dropped out? Does she really believe she has a chance to win?
She's hoping that Bernie wins, and picks her as the running mate. Tulsi has even declined to run for re-election to the House of Reps.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Amujale(m): 10:26pm On Mar 02, 2020
raumdeuter:
What is fair about socialism? You think taking from those who have worked hard for their money and giving to others is fair?
Is that your understanding of Socialism?

As i said earlier, socialist value are more fair than the current American political system.

The current American political system is rigged in favour of the super rich.

What is the definition of Democracy?

The basic definition states it as being the government of the people, by the people and for the people?

The current system of government in America doesnt fit into such definition.

When you have a country that owns many in the top 100 billionaires and yet there are people sleeping on the streets with little to eat and no fixed accomodation.

How is that a fair system of government?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Amujale(m):
Chrisbeks:
You're a funny guy!! Don't tell me you believe all this nonsense you are writing here.
Democracy is a failed system of government.

Apart from the UK and probably Canada, all the other Western forms of Democracy are flawed and corrupt.

There is no current form of democratic systems that is able to address the huge gulf between the super rich and everyone else.


I am not against success, i am for equal opportunities

And equal opportunities is something that is non existence in American politics.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 10:41pm On Mar 02, 2020
Amujale:
Democracy is a failed system of government.

Apart from the UK and probably Canada, all the other Western forms of Democracy are flawed and corrupt.

There is no current form of democratic systems that is able to address the huge gulf between the super rich and everyone else.


I am not against success, i am for equal opportunities

And equal opportunities is something that is non-existence in American politics.
The richest man in America Jeff Bezos was born to a bicycle mechanic and a 17yr old high school girl. He worked menial jobs including McDonalds as a teen

So which opportunity is non existent that takes a McDonald employee to the top of the entire country

Is it not in this same country that a black girl Oprah born to a poor teenage single mother rose to become a billionaire
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 10:52pm On Mar 02, 2020
raumdeuter:
The richest man in America Jeff Bezos was born to a bicycle mechanic and a 17yr old high school girl. He worked menial jobs including McDonalds as a teen

So which opportunity is non existent that takes a McDonald employee to the top of the entire country

Is it not in this same country that a black girl Oprah born to a poor teenage single mother rose to become a billionaire
My definition of capitalism is,The government helping you to be able to help yourself,while socialism is the government telling you to relax while all you do is sleep and eat while they take from the wealthy and those who worked their asses out and hand it over to you..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 11:10pm On Mar 02, 2020
happney65:
My definition of capitalism is,The government helping you to be able to help yourself,while socialism is the government telling you to relax while all you do is sleep and eat while they take from the wealthy and those who worked their asses out and hand it over to you..
Lets be glad USA don't do welfare cheques and bailouts.

Could you explain to us why Government debt is increasing in these high employment good days of Capitalism, please? What's it being spent on?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 11:22pm On Mar 02, 2020
happney65:
My definition of capitalism is,The government helping you to be able to help yourself,while socialism is the government telling you to relax while all you do is sleep and eat while they take from the wealthy and those who worked their asses out and hand it over to you..
Capitalism encourages excellence while Socialism/Communism encourages mediocrity. The greatest motivation to work hard is money

Ask anyone here why they work hard or study hard you will find out its because they want to be successful and care for their family. That is why people work extra hard, study hard, put extra hours and create solutions. They deny themselves luxuries to make things happen

Read about how many people defected from old Socialist regimes to America, Look at the number of smart Russians, Iranians and Cubans who ran to America because they want their talent to be rewarded. If Arnold Schwarzenegger had stayed in Austria maybe he would be a bouncer in America he became a governor

Bernie said he will tax billionaires into extinction and hand over to the poor people, If hypothetically he does this after 6yrs all billionaires have been destroyed, and there are no more billionaires, what will happen next? who will be the next set of people to fund the lifestyle Bernie preaches?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 11:29pm On Mar 02, 2020
raumdeuter:
Capitalism encourages excellence while Socialism/Communism encourages mediocrity. The greatest motivation to work hard is money

Ask anyone here why they work hard or study hard you will find out its because they want to be successful and care for their family. That is why people work extra hard, study hard, put extra hours and create solutions. They deny themselves luxuries to make things happen

Read about how many people defected from old Socialist regimes to America, Look at the number of smart Russians, Iranians and Cubans who ran to America because they want their talent to be rewarded. If Arnold Schwarzenegger had stayed in Austria maybe he would be a bouncer in America he became a governor

Bernie said he will tax billionaires into extinction and hand over to the poor people, If hypothetically he does this after 6yrs all billionaires have been destroyed, and there are no more billionaires, what will happen next? who will be the next set of people to fund the lifestyle Bernie preaches?
Say no more!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 11:35pm On Mar 02, 2020
happney65:
My definition of capitalism is,The government helping you to be able to help yourself,while socialism is the government telling you to relax while all you do is sleep and eat while they take from the wealthy and those who worked their asses out and hand it over to you..
I will give you an example of how Socialism destroys excellence with the Cuban boxers

You know Cubans are very good in boxing, These boxers will win Olympic gold and the Cuban Socialist govt will reward them with a bicycle where most will die in poverty

See their peers in US who went to Olympics some didnt even win a medal and they became millionaires. People like Tyson Mayweather even Wilder earned about 25m for his last fight

Imagine Cuban boxers like Felix Savon, Roniel Iglesias, Casamayor etc

Read the below and see the evil of Socialism in a small sector like boxing

Joel Casamayor, the first Cuban Olympic boxing champion who abandoned the island in 1996, claimed he did so after the government gave him a Chinese bicycle as a reward for his medal.
The tide turned around 2006, when most of the Olympic champions began leaving. For years they’d had to sell off their clothes, cigars, and even Olympic medals to make ends meet for their families. Enough was enough. By the handful, Cuba’s best fighters stepped into smuggler’s boats to chase after the American Dream.
https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2016/farewell-champions-of-havana/
They all started fleeing Socialism to a capitalist country where their talents will be recognized and rewarded not shared with everyone
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by PDPGuy(op): 1:24am On Mar 03, 2020
Chris Matthews has retired from "Hardball" on MSNBC, after 20 years!

The controversies arising from the string of sexual harassment allegations, and other incendiary comments he has made on his (former) show, were the reasons he gave for quitting.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 1:41am On Mar 03, 2020
Maybe destiny or hands of fate doing its thing for the two people you mentioned?
There are many children of mechanics and school girls- what is the difference?
What about the thousands Macdonald's teens ?
Why is it that people never get rich no matter what they do?
The gap between rich and poor is too much - destiny at play ?
Hi Dayo.
raumdeuter:
The richest man in America Jeff Bezos was born to a bicycle mechanic and a 17yr old high school girl. He worked menial jobs including McDonalds as a teen

So which opportunity is non existent that takes a McDonald employee to the top of the entire country

Is it not in this same country that a black girl Oprah born to a poor teenage single mother rose to become a billionaire
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Kopfschmerzenmd: 3:01am On Mar 03, 2020
Everyone of them bashing socialism have not lived anywhere outside the USA, I have lived in Germany and the UK and the social safety nets are on point. Folks ain't sleeping in trains and converting a whole section of a boulevard to a sleeping shark. Y'all save us with the American bullshiit mirage it's all f***king PR, many nations are doing better than us in all ramification, they don't need to go under to afford healthcare, while big pharm and lobbyists keep on buying our politicians and citizens ration insulin. In fact while in Germany, a friend from Ivory Coast was cured from liver cancer without paying a dime, yet, y'all wanna tell us how the rigged American system is gold, when a 9 - 5 MD state department staff pays more in Federal tax than all fortune 500 companies combined last year. Y'all save some of us that have experience how government works without greed from all these crap y'all are sprouting.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Born2Freak(f): 4:37am On Mar 03, 2020
happney65:
Dont mind them..What makes me more annoyed with them is claiming if he isnt made the nominee they will scatter everything..As in,This is a Man that isnt even a Democrat,always comes to them to contest when its election time..I call him nothing but the grand old spoiler..

I will even campaign and vote for a Trump more than a socialist[b]..America today is the greatest country on planet earth[/b] because of capitalism and nothing else..He should just go sit somewhere else
Spoken like an ignorant person that has never been to Europe or Singapore.

America suffers from poor healthcare and uber-expensive higher education.

Most EU countries have a higher standard of living than the USA.


Only ignorant people claim that socialism is radical. Just look at the whole of Europe- they practice capitalism with socialist policies. This is what is known as democratic socialism.

If better healthcare system provided by the government for all citizens is radical, the Uk, Canada and sweden are all radical. Having better healthcare and standard of living is now radical.

Ignorance is a disease.

People forget that a president has certain executive powers. People also forget that the Senate seats can also change parties. People also forget that establishment Republicans hated trump before he was president.

Ignorance is a disease.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Born2Freak(f): 4:39am On Mar 03, 2020
Kopfschmerzenmd:
Everyone of them bashing socialism have not lived anywhere outside the USA, I have lived in Germany and the UK and the social safety nets are on point. Folks ain't sleeping in trains and converting a whole section of a boulevard to a sleeping shark. Y'all save us with the American bullshiit mirage it's all f***king PR, many nations are doing better than us in all ramification, they don't need to go under to afford healthcare, while big pharm and lobbyists keep on buying our politicians and citizens ration insulin. In fact while in Germany, a friend from Ivory Coast was cured from liver cancer without paying a dime, yet, y'all wanna tell us how the rigged American system is gold, when a 9 - 5 MD state department staff pays more in Federal tax than all fortune 500 companies combined last year. Y'all save some of us that have experience how government works without greed from all these crap y'all are sprouting.
The one that pains me is that these people never read or learn anything new.

There are numerous videos of Europeans laughing and mocking US healthcare system. There are many health indices that show that america is not the greatest country in the world.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SenecaTheYonger: 6:17am On Mar 03, 2020
Amujale:
Is that your understanding of Socialism?

As i said earlier, socialist value are more fair than the current American political system.

The current American political system is rigged in favour of the super rich.

What is the definition of Democracy?

The basic definition states it as being the government of the people, by the people and for the people?

The current system of government in America doesnt fit into such definition.

When you have a country that owns many in the top 100 billionaires and yet there are people sleeping on the streets with little to eat and no fixed accomodation.

How is that a fair system of government?
There is no fair system. Socialism creates even more poor people than capitalist system. You can ask Cubans how it was under Castro.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SenecaTheYonger: 6:24am On Mar 03, 2020
I pity for people that think Bernie will get the ticket. You think the Clintons, Soros and the DNC elites will let Bernie tax them for everything they've got? Hahahaha. Can any fanbase be more naive than Bernie Bros?

Bernie isn't gonna get the nomination

they need 'champagne socialists' - you know the ones who are for "cultural" socialism aka open borders, cultural marxism and intersectionality not actual socialists who want to tax their billions and force them to pay their wageslaves a living wage or go to prison

the DNC is run by corporations same as the GOP.

Or do you think America is an actual democracy and not a single party plutocratic oligarchy?

Just like you will never be as rich as they are, you can also never outsmart them.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:39am On Mar 03, 2020
The education system has failed some people. Capitalism is the only system that has lifted millions of people out of poverty. China adopted capitalist policies and lifted 600m from abject poverty
Socialism is a precursor to pure communism. To rephrase communism is a system where the govt becomes too big, controlling the means of production.
Communist countries
Cuba
Venezuela
Haiti
Cambodia
Vietnam now adopting capitalist policies
Haiti
Nicaragua

Capitalism works where there is freedom of speech though. Where u can say anything witjout being afraid as long as its not libelius.

Ukraine under socialism had the oeasants back broken by Stalin. Millions died because big gov ordered all harvest handed over yo govt
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Kopfschmerzenmd: 6:42am On Mar 03, 2020
basilico:
The education system has failed some people. Capitalism is the only system that has lifted millions of people out of poverty. China adopted capitalist policies and lifted 600m from abject poverty
Socialism is a precursor to pure communism. To rephrase communism is a system where the govt becomes too big, controlling the means of production.
Communist countries
Cuba
Venezuela
Haiti
Cambodia
Vietnam now adopting capitalist policies
Haiti
Nicaragua
Genius is capitalism also responsible for the near free education and health care in Europe? Now do the ranging poverty in Black hoods, Appalachia America and the third world poverty in Southern Dixies states.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 6:43am On Mar 03, 2020
PDPGuy:
Chris Matthews has retired from "Hardball" on MSNBC, after 20 years!

The controversies arising from the string of sexual harassment allegations, and other incendiary comments he has made on his (former) show, were the reasons he gave for quitting.
Better..Never seen an anchor that does not allow his Guests to talk except to dey interrupt them every now and then
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:43am On Mar 03, 2020
Kopfschmerzenmd:
Genius is capitalism also responsible for the near free education and health care in Europe? Now do the ranging poverty in Black hoods, Appalachia America and the third world poverty in Southern Dixies states.
The simple fact is that socialism has never worked .

They are basically a capitalist territory with some widespread safety social nets. What drives their economy is free enterprise not socialist big govt control of the means of production. Think Nokia, Daimler, Bayer, INEOS, Barclays, Standard Bank, , etc. They operate under free enterprise but the taxes they generate are used to subsidize some socialist programs by the big gov.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Kopfschmerzenmd: 6:53am On Mar 03, 2020
basilico:
The simple fact is that socialism has never worked .

They are basically a capitalist territory with some widespread safety social nets. What drives their economy is free enterprise not socialist big govt control of the means of production. Think Nokia, Daimler, Bayer, INEOS, Barclays, Standard Bank, , etc. They operate under free enterprise but the taxes they generate are used to subsidize some socialist programs by the big gov.
How's that different from the democratic socialism Bernie is talking about? Nice how you skip the growing poverty in the US and the lobbyists buying out all our politicians. Folks don't have to pay 10k for a broken wrist.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 6:55am On Mar 03, 2020
raumdeuter:
I will give you an example of how Socialism destroys excellence with the Cuban boxers

You know Cubans are very good in boxing, These boxers will win Olympic gold and the Cuban Socialist govt will reward them with a bicycle where most will die in poverty

See their peers in US who went to Olympics some didnt even win a medal and they became millionaires. People like Tyson Mayweather even Wilder earned about 25m for his last fight

Imagine Cuban boxers like Felix Savon, Roniel Iglesias, Casamayor etc

Read the below and see the evil of Socialism in a small sector like boxing



They all started fleeing Socialism to a capitalist country where their talents will be recognized and rewarded not shared with everyone
The evil of socialism cannot be overemphaised jare..It is just too much..even here in Nigeria,Osun state of Nigeria is the poverty capital of the south west courtesy of socialism done by the immediate past governor Rauf aregbesola..

They are the most indebted state in the southwest with absolutely nothing to show for it..They need a capitalist governor to turn round the fortunes of the state
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:00am On Mar 03, 2020
Kopfschmerzenmd:
How's that different from the democratic socialism Bernie is talking about? Nice how you skip the growing poverty in the US and the lobbyists buying out all our politicians. Folks don't have to pay 10k for a broken wrist.
Let Bezos make his money. Tax him out of existence and he will shift l his money out.
Name one country , only one where socialism has worked. Europe is overrun with leftist govts that use taxes generated by big corporations that Ihave mentioned, I forgot to mention Shell, BP, that funds social programs like free healthcare. And which the religion of climate change wants to get rid of

I hope you can see now the idiocy of your argument praising socialism in Europe where they use taxes generated by big Corp to fund leftist socialist endeavors. China uses it's leverage to
Loan money with huge interst rates to third world
Controls at least 50percent of the companies
Buy US stocks thru govt controlled companies
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SenecaTheYonger: 7:15am On Mar 03, 2020
Kopfschmerzenmd:
Genius is capitalism also responsible for the near free education and health care in Europe? Now do the ranging poverty in Black hoods, Appalachia America and the third world poverty in Southern Dixies states.
Health care is currently crumbling in Europe because of the impact of immigrant 3rd worlders to their country.

European countries will foot the bill of a new immigrant when they arrive the country for two years before being left to stand on their own.

Socialism worked back then because European countriea were small homogenous countries with census, mean everyone was accounted for.

That's not the case now with the recent number of immigration sweeping across Europe, they can barely support themselves. That's why they're not as open to accepting migrants as they were before because it's taking a toll on their socialist economy.

Now imagine USA with over 300 million people from diff ethnicity and race. Socialism will cripple the United States, not like that's a bad thing. I think their rein should come to an end too.
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