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happney65:
The evil of socialism cannot be overemphaised jare..It is just too much..even here in Nigeria,Osun state of Nigeria is the poverty capital of the south west courtesy of socialism done by the immediate past governor Rauf aregbesola..

They are the most indebted state in the southwest with absolutely nothing to show for it..They need a capitalist governor to turn round the fortunes of the state

IS THERE NOT POVERTY EVERYWHERE IN NIGERIA, AND ESPECIALLY

Socialism is responsible for poverty in Nigeria?!!!

Nigeria that's lacks any sensible government programs? Nigeria that is uber capitalist?



IT IS TODAY THAT I KNOW THAT YOU CAN LIE!!

raumdeuter:
Bernie said he will tax billionaires into extinction and hand over to the poor people, If hypothetically he does this after 6yrs all billionaires have been destroyed, and there are no more billionaires, what will happen next? who will be the next set of people to fund the lifestyle Bernie preaches?

Bernie is going to tax the people then. But by that time US is already like Venezuela.

SenecaTheYonger:
I pity for people that think Bernie will get the ticket. You think the Clintons, Soros and the DNC elites will let Bernie tax them for everything they've got? Hahahaha. Can any fanbase be more naive than Bernie Bros?

Bernie isn't gonna get the nomination

they need 'champagne socialists' - you know the ones who are for "cultural" socialism aka open borders, cultural marxism and intersectionality not actual socialists who want to tax their billions and force them to pay their wageslaves a living wage or go to prison

the DNC is run by corporations same as the GOP.

Or do you think America is an actual democracy and not a single party plutocratic oligarchy?

Just like you will never be as rich as they are, you can also never outsmart them.

What does socialism have to do with open borders?

Some people can type trash.

Born2Freak:
What does socialism have to do with open borders?

Some people can type trash.

Illiterate, do you not understand why champagne socialist is in quotes?

SenecaTheYonger:
Illiterate, do you not understand why champagne socialist is in quotes?

Open borders have nothing to do with socialism.

That is more of a pro-immigration policy usually backed by very liberal or progressive people.


Champagne socialist has nothing to do with open borders

Born2Freak:
Open borders have nothing to do with socialism.

That is more of a pro-immigration policy usually backed by very liberal or progressive people.


Champagne socialist has nothing to do with open borders

Yeah, that's why they fought Trump to a stand still when he wanted to secure the Southern border and even ensured that the government remained closed. Yes, yes, I'm sure they're not pro open borders.

Anyways, that's not what my post is about. Read to understand. The DNC will NEVER allow a candidate like Bernie that's for sure. They believe in Capitalism as much as the GOP.

Just tell me how the Clintons will sit down and watcch you take their money. They've killed people for lesser things

Why do you think TRUMP is 'supporting' Bernie? (Notice the use of quotes in supporting? Maybe now you'll understand its real meaning)

SenecaTheYonger:
Health care is currently crumbling in Europe because of the impact of immigrant 3rd worlders to their country.

European countries will foot the bill of a new immigrant when they arrive the country for two years before being left to stand on their own.

Socialism worked back then because European countriea were small homogenous countries with census, mean everyone was accounted for.

That's not the case now with the recent number of immigration sweeping across Europe, they can barely support themselves. That's why they're not as open to accepting migrants as they were before because it's taking a toll on their socialist economy.

Now imagine USA with over 300 million people from diff ethnicity and race. Socialism will cripple the United States, not like that's a bad thing. I think their rein should come to an end too.

One of the greatest economists, when defending Amercan capitalism said-

"Look at how people vote with their feet. People come from all over the world for American goods and services"


Please, do we see Europeans running to America to get expensive and convoluted healthcare costs? No.

Nationalised healthcare is no doubt expensive but it is not crumbling in Europe. In fact, the UK celebrates its NHS.

If anything is crumbling, it is the USA healthcare system where more and more people are drawn into poverty because of simple illnesses. Millions remain uninsured in America and you are ignorant enough to claim that European healthcare is crumbling. Keep repeating right wing fox news nonsense.


The only place healthcare crumbled a bit is in Finland and that is because the conservatives tried to privatize it and it fell apart.

SenecaTheYonger:
Yeah, that's why they fought Trump to a stand still when he wanted to secure the Southern border and even ensured that the government remained closed. Yes, yes, I'm sure they're not pro open borders.

Anyways, that's not what my post is about. Read to understand. The DNC will NEVER allow a candidate like Bernie that's for sure. They believe in Capitalism as much as the GOP.

Just tell me how the Clintons will sit down and watcch you take their money. They've killed people for lesser things

Why do you think TRUMP is 'supporting' Bernie? (Notice the use of quotes in supporting? Maybe now you'll understand its real meaning)

Trump is foolish enough to think he will easily beat Bernie Sanders. Trump has forgotten that he was the underdog against Hillary Clinton. In politics, anything can happen, given the right money and agenda.

The establishment Democrats do not like Bernie but they dare not cheat him out a second time. The party will scatter.

There are many like me who would vote for Trump if Bernie loses, just to punish the Democrats.


12 percent of Bernie Sanders's supporters voted for trump against Hillary Clinton.

basilico:
The education system has failed some people. Capitalism is the only system that has lifted millions of people out of poverty. China adopted capitalist policies and lifted 600m from abject poverty
Socialism is a precursor to pure communism. To rephrase communism is a system where the govt becomes too big, controlling the means of production.
Communist countries
Cuba
Venezuela
Haiti
Cambodia
Vietnam now adopting capitalist policies
Haiti
Nicaragua

Capitalism works where there is freedom of speech though. Where u can say anything witjout being afraid as long as its not libelius.

Ukraine under socialism had the oeasants back broken by Stalin. Millions died because big gov ordered all harvest handed over yo govt

What is this one saying?

First of all, Bernie Sanders is advocating for what many in the USA call "democratic socialism". His socialism is like that of EU countries like UK, Sweden or Denmark.

His kind of socialist is a capitalist economy but based on socialist policies like
-Government provided healthcare for all.
-free or cheaper access to education for all.
-a progressive system of taxation
-a humane or higher minimum wage.


Most of the countries you mentioned are hardcore communist countries. Communism differs from socialism. Socialism is more about economics and nationalising the means of production. Communism is the political system that empowers a government's total control of a nation, including the economy and means of production.


Furthermore, it was not just communism that was the downfall of Cuba and other countries you mentioned. It was corruption. It does matter what system of government you run- once it is corrupt, the country falls apart.

Born2Freak:
Trump is foolish enough to think he will easily beat Bernie Sanders. Trump has forgotten that he was the underdog against Hillary Clinton. In politics, anything can happen, given the right money and agenda.

The establishment Democrats do not like Bernie but they dare not cheat him out a second time. The party will scatter.

There are many like me who would vote for Trump if Bernie loses, just to punish the Democrats.


12 percent of Bernie Sanders's supporters voted for trump against Hillary Clinton.

Lmfao. You're just going to end up voting Trump again.

Born2Freak:
One of the greatest economists, when defending Amercan capitalism said-

"Look at how people vote with their feet. People come from all over the world for American goods and services"


Please, do we see Europeans running to America to get expensive and convoluted healthcare costs? No.

Nationalised healthcare is no doubt expensive but it is not crumbling in Europe. In fact, the UK celebrates its NHS.

If anything is crumbling, it is the USA healthcare system where more and more people are drawn into poverty because of simple illnesses. Millions remain uninsured in America and you are ignorant enough to claim that European healthcare is crumbling. Keep repeating right wing fox news nonsense.


The only place healthcare crumbled a bit is in Finland and that is because the conservatives tried to privatize it and it fell apart.

So the UK celebrates it's NHS is your rebuttal? Where they supposed to celebrate Nigerians healthcare system or what?

Even Venezuela celebrates their economic policy. No point arguing with a Bernie bros. Good luck in November.

SenecaTheYonger:
Lmfao. You're just going to end up voting Trump again.

Then so be it. If the Democrats do not want to have sense, then people should vote for Trump to punish them.

SenecaTheYonger:
So the UK celebrates it's NHS is your rebuttal? Where they supposed to celebrate Nigerians healthcare system or what?

Even Venezuela celebrates their economic policy. No point arguing with a Bernie bros. Good luck in November.

You have never been to the uk and experienced its healthcare system. You wouldn't understand the might 9f the NHS.


I also pointed out how Europeans dont rush to America for healthcare

Born2Freak:
You have never been to the uk and experienced its healthcare system. You wouldn't understand the might 9f the NHS.


I also pointed out how Europeans dont rush to America for healthcare

Yeah I've never stood in line for days to see a doctor. That's not a bad thing.

I also pointed out how Europeans dont rush to America for healthcare

"Oh no, I'm having a running nose, better run to America"

What am I supposed to say to you here?

Kopfschmerzenmd:
Everyone of them bashing socialism have not lived anywhere outside the USA, I have lived in Germany and the UK and the social safety nets are on point. Folks ain't sleeping in trains and converting a whole section of a boulevard to a sleeping shark. Y'all save us with the American bullshiit mirage it's all f***king PR, many nations are doing better than us in all ramification, they don't need to go under to afford healthcare, while big pharm and lobbyists keep on buying our politicians and citizens ration insulin. In fact while in Germany, a friend from Ivory Coast was cured from liver cancer without paying a dime, yet, y'all wanna tell us how the rigged American system is gold, when a 9 - 5 MD state department staff pays more in Federal tax than all fortune 500 companies combined last year. Y'all save some of us that have experience how government works without greed from all these crap y'all are sprouting.

Can you just shut it with this audio MD state dept staff paying more tax than billionaires already.!!
You are beginning to believe your lies, it’s called delusion.

I do but have to look for it, will post something. You can also find bits and pieces yourself if you look.

During Bill Clinton and Lynch tarmac meeting, Clinton asked Loretta to help save a case against Hillary and was promised supreme court slot if she could bury the case. She was also told about how the slot will be immediately created. They said there's a recording for it. John Podesta who was Clinton manager was quickly informed about a planned "wetworks"(assaaination) in which he responded "I'm in" according to Wikileak emails.

Alice = Hillary Clinton and a farm in Saudi Arabia where 6,000 children were rescued belonged to her is the wonderland.

Most of these things will come out by summer.

As always, I found the spinned version from democrat sites. These stories are old and many have been taken down. So one has no choice than to post the water down democrats version since those are the ones allowed to remain.

PDPGuy:
Do you have proof of the bolded crimes?

SenecaTheYonger:
Yeah I've never stood in line for days to see a doctor. That's not a bad thing.



"Oh no, I'm having a running nose, better run to America"

What am I supposed to say to you here?

First of all, in the uk there is both private and public healthcare. Everyone is automatically covered on public healthcare. If you dont like public one, you can always pay for private healthcare which is sometimes faster. Most doctors are on public NHS and so, even private doctors can sometimes recommend public doctors depending on the issue.

Now, if your illness is life threatening or an emergency, there is no line for you under public NHS care. And also there are waiting times and queues in American healthcare system, so dont talk rubbish here.


Furthermore, people go to Brazil and India from the USA for cheaper surgeries all the time. Do you see Europeans running to America for healthcare?

Born2Freak:
Furthermore, people go to Brazil and India from the USA for cheaper surgeries all the time. Do you see Europeans running to America for healthcare?

Tell me how many Europeans you know.

SenecaTheYonger:
Tell me how many Europeans you know.

Ogbeni, I lived in the UK.

That should answer your question

raumdeuter:
The richest man in America Jeff Bezos was born to a bicycle mechanic and a 17yr old high school girl. He worked menial jobs including McDonalds as a teen

So which opportunity is non existent that takes a McDonald employee to the top of the entire country

Is it not in this same country that a black girl Oprah born to a poor teenage single mother rose to become a billionaire

That's an awesome point you brought up.

However, its fair to say that every country on the planet has a similar story.

Such isnt exclusive to the US.

Furthermore, the examples you gave are the exceptional cases of individuals that became successful from a normal background, my point refers mainly to the US political system.

Who is responsible for the policies of the US government, the general public, lobbiest or pressure groups?

As in, who does the political system in the US serve?

The American political system certainly only serves a minority of the general public with the correct intent and purpose, the rest have to put in work, maintain a high level of ambition, get financial backing, and even that doesnt guarentee the guy on the street any kind of success in US politics.

Today, in order to have any kind of success in US politics, one would have to have graduated from a reputable college or university, have sufficient financial backing and get the aproval of certain lobbiest, pressure groups and other politically invested organisations.

Those that have relative success and all those that become seasoned politicians in the US have to consider all the above aquisitions and then some.

Born2Freak:
Ogbeni, I lived in the UK.

That should answer your question

Ogbeni I'm not talking about the UK but Western Europeans, Sweden, Denmark, etc.

SenecaTheYonger:
There is no fair system. Socialism creates even more poor people than capitalist system. You can ask Cubans how it was under Castro.

You meant to say, there are no fair democratic systems.

Since you think there are no fair systems, then it stands to reason that you agree with me on the main thrust of my argument that the US political system is unfair.

Have you heard of a country called China?

Socialism may have its flaws, however its a fair system compared to any of the democratic political systems that are present in the world of today.

In order for the inequalities in the US to be reduced, there is the need for them to adopt bare socialist values.

Therefore, assuming the people in control of US politics want a fair society, they would vote in a person similar to Bernie Sanders and sort out all discrimination and inequalities as best they can and once that has been established, they can go back to their Capitalism or whatever.

SenecaTheYonger:
Ogbeni I'm not talking about the UK but Western Europeans, Sweden, Denmark, etc.

What is the difference when it comes to healthcare?

Even not counting my travels around Europe, a lot of EU people reside in the UK.

Amujale:
You meant to say, there are no fair democratic systems.

Since you think there are no fair systems, then it stands to reasons that you agree with me on the main thrust of my argument that the US political system is unfair.

Yes, I agree. But the fact still remain that there's no perfect system.

Have you heard of a country called China?

China doesn't practise socialism anymore. They are the number one exporter in the world right now and if you know China well, you'll know that they are capitalist. In fact, it was Xi that started implementing this capitalist system - that was when China saw a rise in economic standards.

If you want to see a socialist China, then check out Mao Mao and how many millions died under his Bernie-Socialist economy. But that's not to say socialism is bad, you just don't know when you go from socialism to full blown communist, the line is too thin.

Therefore, assuming the people in control of US politics want a fair society, they would vote in a person similar to Bernie Sanders and sort out all discrimination and inequalities as best they can and once that has been established, they can go back to their Capitalism or whatever.

For all the goodies socialism promises, you have to remember that at the end, it's human, the most flawed species, that Will be in charge lol

SenecaTheYonger:
If you want to see a socialist China, then check out Mao Mao and how many millions died under his Bernie-Socialist economy.

Now, i see you have a thing for Sanders.

Chairman Mao is Chinese, Bernie Sanders is an American and their political careers are literally miles away from one another.

You are intentionally misconscruing your own argument.

Go and reeducate yourself regarding how the Chinese came from where they were in the 1980's to how they are today.

Furthermore, Bernie Sanders talks about adopting the correct and proper socialist values applicable to the US in order to combat the social injustices and inequalities.

It's the correct and proper socialist values that apply to their specific needs that they need to adopt in order to fix the things taked about.

Amujale:
Now, i see you have a thing for Sanders.

Chairman Mao is Chineese, Bernie Sanders is an American and their political careers are literally miles away from one another.

You are intentionally misconscruing your own argument.

Go and reeducate yourself regarding how the Chinese came from where they were in the 1980's to how they are today.

Furthermore, Bernie Sanders talkes about adopting the correct and proper socialist values applicable to the US in order to combat the social injustices and inequalities.

It's the correct and proper socialist values that apply to their specific needs that they need to adopt in order to fix the things taked about.

We shall see

...March 3, 2020 - Super Tuesday...

....Fourteen states will participate from across the country including: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont and Virginia....As well as American Samoa and Democrats Abroad.

...Number of delegates for each state...

• Alabama: 52
• Arkansas: 31
• California: 415
• Colorado: 67
• Maine: 24
• Massachusetts: 91
• Minnesota: 75
• North Carolina: 110
• Oklahoma: 37
• Tennessee: 64
• Texas: 288
• Utah: 29
• Vermont: 16
• Virginia: 99

...In total, there's 3,979 delegates....During Super Tuesday, 34 percent or 1,357 delegates will be up for grabs...Before Super Tuesday only 155 delegates were allotted.....

...After the big voting day, 2,467 delegates will still be available. The primary process lasts until the Democratic national convention which will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in July....In order to win on the first ballot at the convention, a Democratic candidate would need 1,991 delegates....

...As at today March 3, Senator Bernie Sanders has the most delegates with 60, former Vice President Joe Biden is in second with 54 and Sen. Elizabeth Warren has 8...Former South Bend, Ind. mayor Pete Buttigieg, who had 26, and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who had 7, have both dropped out of the race....both the later have since endorsed Joe Biden...

President Trump has nominated General Charles Brown to be the next head of the Air Force.

He will be the first African-American to hold this job.

This is historic!

Trump is the Worst. Racist. Ever.

garetz:
President Trump has nominated General Charles Brown to be the next head of the Air Force.

He will be the first African-American to hold this job.

This is historic!

Trump is the Worst. Racist. Ever.

Koph is having a melt down right now. He’ll be back once he sees a Russian drive past the White House

Now to the fabled Socialized healthcare

When they talk about this, they forget to mention about the wait times

Is it not better to have healthcare and be in debt than to die on waiting lists

Below are stories of Canadians who couldnt see doctors after months in Canada, many drive south to the US to get healthcare. Is this what America wants with socialized healthcare? Waiting months to see a doctor

A policy brief — titled Flight of the Sick, by the Calgary-based think tank secondstreet.org — says 217,500 Canadians left the country for health care in 2017, according to Statistics Canada. If those travelling with the patients are included in the count, the total rises to 369,700 people.

To that end, secondstreet.org noted Statistics Canada estimates that Canadians spent $690 million on health care abroad in 2017, up from $447 million in 2013. (The federal agency wasn’t able to provide a breakdown of patients seeking medically-necessary procedures and those leaving Canada for cosmetic surgery.)

That worked out to $1.9 million per day in 2017, an increase from $1.2 million per day in 2013.

Of those Canadians seeking health care elsewhere in 2017, the report says the majority were from Ontario, anywhere from as low as 154,000 people to as high as 208,400, based on survey data from Stats Canada.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/canadians-continue-to-leave-the-country-for-health-care-says-new-report

Socialism is evil

This is socialized healthcare in Canada

TORONTO — WHEN SHARON Shamblaw was diagnosed last summer with a form of blood cancer that could only be treated with a particular stem cell transplant, the search for a donor began. A Toronto hospital, 100 miles east of her home in St. Mary's, Ontario, and one of three facilities in the province that could provide the life-saving treatment, had an eight-month waiting list for transplants.

Four months after her diagnosis, Shamblaw headed to Buffalo, New York, for treatment. But it was too late. She died at the age of 46, leaving behind a husband and three children

Ontario, the country's most populous province, provides a good example. The three hospitals that use stem-cell therapy to treat patients with blood disorders and aggressive cancers like the one that Sharon Shamblaw battled are unable to keep up with the soaring demand. So patients are sent to medical facilities in Buffalo, Cleveland, Ohio, and Detroit, Michigan, for the potentially life-saving treatment.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

So this fantastic Canada healthcare cannot care for its people that it sends them Southwards to the evil US

Is this the type of healthcare that America wants?

Socialism is evil

Amujale:
That's an awesome point you brought up.

However, its fair to say that every country on the planet has a similar story.

Such isnt exclusive to the US.

Furthermore, the examples you gave are the exceptional cases of individuals that became successful from a normal background, my point refers mainly to the US political system.

Who is responsible for the policies of the US government, the general public, lobbiest or pressure groups?

As in, who does the political system in the US serve?

The American political system certainly only serves a minority of the general public with the correct intent and purpose, the rest have to put in work, maintain a high level of ambition, get financial backing, and even that doesnt guarentee the guy on the street any kind of success in US politics.

Today, in order to have any kind of success in US politics, one would have to have grdauated from a reputable college or university, have sufficient financial backing and get the aproval of certain lobbiest, pressure groups and other politically invested organisations.

Those that have relative success and all those that become seasoned politicians in the US have to consider all the above aquisitions and then some.

Tell what is wrong with picking the leaders from Only the best Universities?

Barrack Obama born to a Kenyan father who was absent for most of the time and a teenage mom, raised by his middle class grandparents in Kansas

Because of his excellence, got into Harvard and rose from the child of a poor single mother to the President of the US.

That is the spirit of America