Interesting.

NaijirianKing:


This is not true, and sad that Nigerians don't know pre-colonial history. But have no fear, class is now in session.


1.The Kingdom of Benin (1180 - 1897)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

2.The Kingdom of Nri (831 - 1911)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri

3.The Aro Confederacy (1690 - 1902)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro_Confederacy

You have just corroborated my claim, others had kingdom, but Oyo, empire

Interesting.

So many uneducated idiots on this thread with opinion of Kwara. Can't even distinguish between Ilorin that was the center of the Afonja/Alimi issue centuries ago and Kwara as a whole. These clowns don't even know that prior to the creation of the 12 states by Gowon, Kwara was known as the West Central State.

Us indigenes of the state knows where we belong. Only online clowns think they know more than what the sons of the soil do.

Interesting.

NaijirianKing:


Okay, if you define them with that nomenclature then I can't argue.

These are English words used to describe ancient African civilizations, the word Empire is foreign to Africa and it's highly doubtful that anyone living in Oyo at the time even had knowledge of such a word.

But if you want to use that to claim victory, then, you win.

Bro an empire has many kingdoms under it

They are not the same.

Tomide007:

Native language, culture and way of life doesn't make a tribe? Em, geographical location does..so many wrong info in your story....

To an extent yes and no.

With Fulani, when they invade or take over an area they often times use the language of the conquered people. This is why many speak Hausa as a first language even though they are not Hausa. In fact, they use Hausa so much that many have even abandoned speaking their native tongue after a generation or two.

This is why language isn't a true marker of tribe when it comes to the Fulani.

Iamgrey5:
Bro an empire has many kingdoms under it

They are not the same.

To an extent I agree with you. But, you have to understand history through an African context to truly understand our ancient civilizations.

I see from your responses that you're a true student of history, we need sharp minds like yours to delve deep into history as you may be able to further educate those around you about our true history and not the one Europeans foisted on us to foster an inferiority complex.

Iamgrey5:
Bro an empire has many kingdoms under it

They are not the same.

That was why I chose my words carefully, in history, your description of empire is exactly what we were taught but we have taken so many things for granted as revisionist historians and blackmailers are beginning to tell us fiction as facts. Sometimes on this platform, I once asked one dull nairalander who claim Afonja betrayed to tell me who Afonja betrayed and all he could do was to blab

solmus:


Edo and Kwara are border states the herders come in to south through, nothing is bad in offering an invite , its not like we a forcing you.. if you like herdsmen so much enjoy the orgy of violence


Many Dunce dont even know Ilorin is just a city and few local government in Kwara State and official language in Ilorin and Kwara is Yoruba, even Zulu gambari cant say a word of fulfude or Hausa.. he speaks his Yoruba fluently ... Queen Elizabeth's monarch seat conquered and rules over british island but this doesn't mean all british are from the English ethnic , same thing with French Monarchy

Really? Yoruba in Kwara, a North Central State? Coming from a dunce who will say there are no Igbos in South-South. Stop talking trash and shut up. Just as you all claim there are no Igbos in SS, there are no Yorubas in NC. Is that clear? Good boy.

IamJames:


Really? Yoruba in Kwara, a North Central State? Coming from a dunce who will say there are no Igbos in South-South. Stop talking trash and shut up. Just as you all claim there are no Igbos in SS, there are no Yorubas in NC. Is that clear? Good boy.

what is wrong with Ibo people sef... did Gowon spray biological weapon that dries peoples brain in ShoutYeast during the civil war..

anyways to educate you there is nothing like NorthCentral geographically, Abacha the semi illiterate just came up with imaginary geopolitical zones in his mind, and they don't even have legal backing in our constitution.. so Kwara people already said Otoge!!! to you satanic PDP the Ipob party, take your "L" and take a walk

HAKYN1:



No sir, the Fulanis were defeated by the Ibadan forces at the battle of Osogbo in 1840. Stop revisionist history

Youre correct. We also defeated them at Ikirun in 1878 during the "jalumi war".

helinues:
What for?

Kwara is NC states. If they are comfortable with killer herdsmen activities, why taking Panadol on someone's headache?

Its majorly dominated by the yorubas

Salvador1:
Wetin concern amotekun come concern Edo

So Edo and Kwara is now Yoruba state
Mbok!

kwara is a yoruba state

NaijirianKing:


To an extent yes and no.

With Fulani, when they invade or take over an area they often times use the language of the conquered people. This is why many speak Hausa as a first language even though they are not Hausa. In fact, they use Hausa so much that many have even abandoned speaking their native tongue after a generation or two.

This is why language isn't a true marker of tribe when it comes to the Fulani.

Back to the Ilorin issue, it is not possible to say that the Fulani changed their language, culture, tradition, pastoralism, to embrace farming, Yoruba language, Yoruba way of marriage, Yoruba dressing, gave all their villages yoruba names...common,.....the core Fulani's migrate a lot, and yes there are some in kwara, if you've ever been to kwara you 'll understand. Fufulde which is the language of the Fulani's is widely spoken were they settle in Jos, kano, katsina, sokoto.etc. its not spoken in kwara because they,'re by far a minority tribe...in fact their are more Nupes in kwara than Fulani.

mohlanforex:
Kwara state have 16 Local government area

12 Local government area belong to Yoruba

2 local government area belong to NUPE/TAPA

2 Local government area belong to Baruba

since 1999 till now all Kwara state Governor are all Yoruba

since 1999 till Now Kwara have 4 Governors, which one of them is from AFONJA family in idi ape, his name Muhammad Alabi Lawal

if Nigeria is to separate today, 12 yoruba local government area of Kwara state will automatically or by Referendum join oduduwa republic..

I'm from Ilorin
that's the fact.

Thank you my brother fah. These people can spin so much misinformation ehn.

Benwems:

But it’s owed and governed by the Fulanis because the defeated the Yoruba king call afonja.

Afonja was not a king

kayusely70:
Most of those disputing that dont know that Baturen, Edu, Kaiama & Pategi are the only non Yoruba Local Govts other 12 are Yorubas.

The problem with the Yorubas of kwara state is the Ilorin emirate, sorry to say

IamJames:


Really? Yoruba in Kwara, a North Central State? Coming from a dunce who will say there are no Igbos in South-South. Stop talking trash and shut up. Just as you all claim there are no Igbos in SS, there are no Yorubas in NC. Is that clear? Good boy.

smh for your ignorance. im a kwaran and more than 70 % are yoruba

Good move

Only criminals are afraid of Amotekun. Amotekun is here to stay forever and ever.Aminnnnnnn.

solmus:


its morning here where I come from we work in the morning, you can go back to bed since you work at night in italy

Yes you right i share a room with yr mother and sister in italy

Simbrixton:
akoko edo and esan are yorubas

and we have opc fully thriving in edo

Esan people are NOT Yorubas.

Tomide007:

Back to the Ilorin issue, it is not possible to say that the Fulani changed their language, culture, tradition, pastoralism, to embrace farming, Yoruba language, Yoruba way of marriage, Yoruba dressing, gave all their villages yoruba names...common,.....the core Fulani's migrate a lot, and yes there are some in kwara, if you've ever been to kwara you 'll understand. Fufulde which is the language of the Fulani's is widely spoken were they settle in Jos, kano, katsina, sokoto.etc. its not spoken in kwara because they,'re by far a minority tribe...in fact their are more Nupes in kwara than Fulani.

When we speak of control and power, then we have to acknowledge that the Northern elements controls what happens in Illorin and by default Kwara.

There are historical reasons for this, but this is just a fact that the political direction of the city and the state is controlled from the Northern elements among the society.

This Northern control has shaped Kwara into a state very different from Oyo, Lagos, or Ogun.

Let's not rewrite history, culturally Illorin is very much a Northern state.

Iamgrey5:
Bro an empire has many kingdoms under it

They are not the same.

As I said, I like you, but you may be missing some information.

I didn't want to be the one to bring this up, but Benin was also referred to as an Empire by the British. But, once again, these terms are retroactively applied, so they are to a large extent irrelevant.

Interesting.

jidxin:
Afonja was not a king

Afonja was a high ranking military officer by today's standards.

Oyo's commander at Ilorin, Kakanfo (Field Marshal) Afonja, led a rebellion in 1817 that destroyed the unity of the empire. He was aided by Mallam Alimi (a Fulani from Sokoto), by Fulani warriors and mercenaries, and by Hausa soldiers.

Afonja, a high ranking military officer, lead a coup or rebellion against his people by teaming up with Northern elements. That is why till this day Northern elements dominate the land.

There are just 45% yoruba in kwara. Others hausas/fulanis.... From baruba, barunti, lafiaji and Co check them

Ewo ode, tal'o sofun e pee we're 45%, u can only c other tribe from kwara North, not in central & south

NaijirianKing:


Moreover, by your same definition, a Conferderacy is an alignment of confederating states, nations and or kingdoms. Which fits your definition of an Empire.

Following your logic, the Aro Confederacy was an amalgamation of over 17 kingdoms could have just as easily been called an Empire, going by your vary same definition.

This is why it's out of place to use modern English terms to describe ancient African civilizations.

Oyo empire included several non Yoruba kingdoms

Dahomey Fon Kingdoms

The Bariba kingdoms

And many more

All those kingdoms paid homage to the Oyo empire at its peak.

The Oyo empire also conquered many Yoruba kingdoms like the Owu kingdoms.

OmoManU:


The problem with the Yorubas of kwara state is the Ilorin emirate, sorry to say

That's a problematic statement.

The Emirate of Ilorin is a beautiful historical Emirate with a colorful history.

We shouldn't look down on any part of the country but embrace every inch and civilization for what it is.

It is the southern most tip of Northern Nigeria, a beautiful blend of Fulani, Nupe and other Northern elements.

NaijirianKing:


That's a problematic statement.

The Emirate of Ilorin is a beautiful historical Emirate with a colorful history.

We shouldn't look down on any part of the country but embrace every inch and civilization for what it is.

It is the southern most tip of Northern Nigeria, a beautiful blend of Fulani, Nupe and other Northern elements.

You don't understand the concept of Emir of ilorin

Before the advent of British, the current emire was actually called the oba of ilorin but was pronounced Emire by the British.

Those who crowned Abdul (the son of Alimi) the oba of ilorin were actually Yoruba Muslims like Solagberu.

Alimi himself preferred the term chief imam and never made himself Emire of ilorin after the assassination of Afonja until his death.

Hence, till today two Yoruba Balogun(Yoruba name for warrior), a BalogunGamabari (a Yoruba name for Hausa ) Balogun Fulani come together to entrone the new Emire of Abdul bloodline any time there's a vacuum.

NaijirianKing:


That's a problematic statement.

The Emirate of Ilorin is a beautiful historical Emirate with a colorful history.

We shouldn't look down on any part of the country but embrace every inch and civilization for what it is.

It is the southern most tip of Northern Nigeria, a beautiful blend of Fulani, Nupe and other Northern elements.

I also urge you not to mix the Artificial creation called Kwara state with Ilorin emirate, Ekitis, igbomina and those in areas around Jebba(ibillo) who are all in kwara state of today

They have different history