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centboy123456:
Oga what is the meaning of this lol

This people funny die

Is the message for you?

Agboriotejoye:
Really? But we have singers in Saudi. Some of them even sing rap.

What about the alasalatu among the Yorubas?
Does that mean they are not true Muslims?

When Saudi does something Islamic, they call them backward.

But when a saudi citizen acts according to their whims, they make them a reference.

Bigots, by their double-standard you shall know them.

Agboriotejoye:
But they are the custodians of the holy mosques and were given the Quran and the Hadith from where it flowed to other parts. Who should we believe if not the owners?

they don't own it. I'd like illustrating using structures in Christianity because you can relate to that better.
it's just like assuming Jerusalem is owned by Israelis and therefore they should understand the religion better because the holy site is in Thier custody. does that makes sense to you

AntiChristian:
Isn't this funny too?

Instrumental music in the worship of the church is:
Not taught by Christ (Mat. 28:18; Col. 3:17; 2 John 9).
Not taught by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13; 14:26; Rom. 8:14).
Not taught by the Apostles (Mat. 28:19-20; Acts 2:42; Gal. 1:6-9; 1 Tim. 6:3-4).
Not in the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).
Not helpful (Acts 20:20).
Not a good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
Not of faith (Rom. 10:17; 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 11:7).
Not of truth (John 4:24; 17:17).
Not of righteousness (Rom. 1:16-17; 1 John 5:17).
Not as the oracles of God (2 Tim. 1:13; 1 Pet. 4:11).
Not bound in heaven (Mat. 16:19).
Not pertaining to life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3).

https://www.northwestcofc.org/why-does-the-church-of-christ-not-use-mechanical-instruments-of-music-in-worship.html

There's nothing in all those verses you quoted that says one should not play music. As a matter of fact,

Mary the mother of Jesus Christ sang after the birth of the saviour Luke 1:46
His Apostles sang hymns on the day of Pentecost and even in jail which led to their deliverance Acts 16:25
Songs and music are being played in heaven according to revelations rev15:3

chai...

Music kwa!

Na waaa

gentleibraheem:
it's just like assuming that every Italian or jew or that country pope is presiding over don't remember the name. is a good Christian and everything any of these people do is what Christianity teaches.
now the same applies to Saudi and arabs

While Italy is not the birthplace of Christianity, Jews are not Christians and they don't lay claim to it. It's totally different from the Saudi that are seen as the bastion of Islam. Heck, even the sultan has gone on pilgrimage there. It's one of the five pillars of Islam.
What you're comparing is not logical.

AntiChristian:
Musical instrument is haram according to the Islamic Books! It does not matter even if any prominent Muslim sings with it!

Asalatu is an innovation that is forbidden!
We ask Allah to perfect our steps in Islam.

But what is wrong with music exactly and why is it forbidden. Music is one of man's gifts to mankind just like science. No, just life ability to speak, you don't even learn it. What can make it so bad

Rrankdonga:
Lmao who even has time to be reading all this one?

What is the ruling on holding your penis when you piss?

hold with your left hand and wash it after urinating.

lionness:
Islam never cease to amaze me!
During ablution I blast my music. I don’t think my Allah wants me to live a bland, joyless live.
All of you people with your yeye rulings.

you're a kafr, stay out of here.

sunshineV:
So u don't listen to music?

lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

Caseless:
you're a kafr, stay out of here.

lol. don't be judgemental bruv

Newnas:
When Saudi does something Islamic, they call them backward.

But when a saudi citizen acts according to their whims, they make them a reference.

Bigots, by their double-standard you shall know them.

What is bigotry in understanding that the modern world of which you're a part of does not accommodate most of what your religion teaches? As it is now, even Saudi is beginning to shift to modernize a lot. Either you start a jihad to return Saudi to how it used to be in the time of the prophet or you accept that things are changing and Islam is changing along.

An example, in the days of the prophet, people go on pilgrimage to Mecca with donkeys and carmels. Now we have one of the largest airports in Saudi. Shall we then say Saudi has abandoned the right way of pilgrimage?

Besides, this passage that was quoted by the OP seems to show the immoral behaviours musicians are notorious for makes their music unacceptable. Thus, if we have an upright Islamic musician as we have so much of them in Yorubaland, should they not be acceptable?

My thoughts though are that the calls to prayers themselves are musical in nature. They are not bland or atonal but have a rising and falling rhythm that is synonymous to music. I hope you understand now.

gentleibraheem:
lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

But you do admit that the call to prayer is musical in nature do you?

Caseless:
you're a kafr, stay out of here.

She's a kafir because she thinks music is good? Don't you think that it shows a classical lack of open mindedness towards the preference of another? The kind that births terrorism?

gentleibraheem:
lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

You're not happy u listen to music? Fvck outta my face

Agboriotejoye:
What is bigotry in understanding that the modern world of which you're a part of does not accommodate most of what your religion teaches? As it is now, even Saudi is beginning to shift to modernize a lot. Either you start a jihad to return Saudi to how it used to be in the time of the prophet or you accept that things are changing and Islam is changing along.

An example, in the days of the prophet, people go on pilgrimage to Mecca with donkeys and carmels. Now we have one of the largest airports in Saudi. Shall we then say Saudi has abandoned the right way of pilgrimage?

Besides, this passage that was quoted by the OP seems to show the immoral behaviours musicians are notorious for makes their music unacceptable. Thus, if we have an upright Islamic musician as we have so much of them in Yorubaland, should they not be acceptable?

My thoughts though are that the calls to prayers themselves are musical in nature. They are not bland or atonal but have a rising and falling rhythm that is synonymous to music. I hope you understand now.

Firstly, modernization is one thing and western ideologies is another. Don't mix them up.

Secondly, building airports isn't anti-Islamic. No law says you must go to hajj on donkeys. There's no special reward attached to your mode of transport. So your point is flawed. Rather it exposes your ignorance.

Finally, islam isn't against reciting poetry with a sonorous voice. However it places two conditions to it; no musical instruments should accompany it and it must not contain idolatry, promiscuity, insults and all other forms of anti-Islamic lyrics.

zeeprince:
I say: if it is proven that this matter is not permissible, then accepting payment for it is not permissible either.

Shaykh al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: What Ibraaheem ibn Sa’d and ‘Ubayd-Allaah al-‘Anbari said about singing is not like the kind of singing that is known nowadays, for they would never have allowed this kind of singing which is the utmost in immorality and obscenity. (al-I’laam)

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not permissible to make musical instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 22/140). And he said: According to the majority of fuqahaa’, it is permissible to destroy musical instruments, such as the tanboor [a stringed instrument similar to a mandolin]. This is the view of Maalik and is the more famous of the two views narrated from Ahmad. (al-Majmoo’, 28/113). And he said: …Ibn al-Mundhir mentioned that the scholars were agreed that it is not permissible to pay people to sing and wail… the consensus of all the scholars whose views we have learned about is that wailing and singing are not allowed. Al-Shu’bi, al-Nakha’i and Maalik regarded that as makrooh [i.e., haraam]. Abu Thawr, al-Nu’maan – Abu Haneefah (may Allaah have mercy on him) – and Ya’qoob and Muhammad, two of the students of Abu Haneefah said: it is not permissible to pay anything for singing and wailing. This is our view. And he said: musical instruments are the wine of the soul, and what it does to the soul is worse than what intoxicating drinks do. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/417).

Ibn Abi Shaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported that a man broke a mandolin belonging to another man, and the latter took his case to Shurayh. But Shurayh did not award him any compensation – i.e., he did not make the first man pay the cost of the mandolin, because it was haraam and had no value. (al-Musannaf, 5/395).

Al-Baghawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated in a fatwa that it is haraam to sell all kinds of musical instruments such as mandolins, flutes, etc. Then he said: If the images are erased and the musical instruments are altered, then it is permissible to sell their parts, whether they are silver, iron, wood or whatever. (Sharh al-Sunnah, 8/28)

An inappropriate exception

The exception to the above is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – when used by women on Eids and at weddings. This is indicated by saheeh reports. Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: But the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands. It was narrated in al-Saheeh that he said: “Clapping is for women and tasbeeh (saying Subhaan Allaah) is for men.” And he cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women. Because singing and playing the daff are things that women do, the Salaf used to call any man who did that a mukhannath (effeminate man), and they used to call male singers effeminate – and how many of them there are nowadays! It is well known that the Salaf said this.

In a similar vein is the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), when her father (may Allaah be pleased with him) entered upon her at the time of Eid, and there were two young girls with her who were singing the verses that the Ansaar had said on the day of Bu’aath – and any sensible person will know what people say about war. Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Musical instruments of the Shaytaan in the house of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!” The Messenger of Allaah had turned away from them and was facing the wall – hence some scholars said that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) would not tell anybody off in front of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but he thought that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon

him) was not paying attention to what was happening. And Allaah knows best. He (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: “Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr, for every nation has its Eid, and this is our Eid, the people of Islam.” This hadeeth shows that it was not the habit of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions to gather to listen to singing, hence Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq called it “the musical instruments of the Shaytaan”. And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of this appellation and did not deny it when he said, “Leave them alone, for every nation has its Eid and this is our Eid.” This indicates that the reason why this was permitted was because it was the time of Eid, and the prohibition remained in effect at times other than Eid, apart from the exceptions made for weddings in other ahaadeeth. Shaykh al-Albaani explained this in his valuable book Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab (the Prohibition of Musical Instruments). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of young girls singing at Eid, as stated in the hadeeth: “So that the mushrikeen will know that in our religion there is room for relaxation.” There is no indication in the hadeeth about the two young girls that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was listening to them. The commands and prohibitions have to do with listening, not merely hearing, just as in the case of seeing, the rules have to do with intentionally looking and not what happens by accident. So it is clear that this is for women only. Imaam Abu ‘Ubayd (may Allaah have mercy on him) defined the daff as “that which is played by women.” (Ghareeb al-Hadeeth, 3/64).

An inappropriate exception
Some of them make an exception for drums at times of war, and consequentially some modern scholars have said that military music is allowed. But there is no basis for this at all, for a number of reasons, the first of which is that this is making an exception with no clear evidence, apart from mere opinion and thinking that it is good, and this is wrong. The second reason is that what the Muslims should do at times of war is to turn their hearts towards their Lord. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: ‘The spoils are for Allaah and the Messenger.’ So fear Allaah and adjust all matters of difference among you…” [al-Anfaal 8:1]. But using music is the opposite of this idea of taqwa and it would distract them from remembering their Lord. Thirdly, using music is one of the customs of the kuffaar, and it is not permitted to imitate them, especially with regard to something that Allaah has forbidden to us in general, such as music. (al-Saheehah, 1/145)

“No people go astray after having been guided except they developed arguments amongst themselves.” (Saheeh)

Some of them used the hadeeth about the Abyssinians playing in the mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as evidence that singing is allowed! Al-Bukhaari included this hadeeth in his Saheeh under the heading Baab al-Hiraab wa’l-Daraq Yawm al-‘Eid (Chapter on Spears and Shields on the Day of Eid). Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This indicates that it is permissible to play with weapons and the like in the mosque, and he applied that to other activities connected with jihaad. (Sharh Muslim). But as al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: whoever speaks about something which is not his profession will come up with weird ideas such as these.

Some of them use as evidence the hadeeth about the singing of the two young girls, which we have discussed above, but we will quote what Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, because it is valuable.

I am amazed that some people who really need an excuse to continue listening to music quote as evidence for allowing listening to sophisticated songs the report which mentioned about how two young girls who were below the age of puberty sang to a young woman on the day of Eid

some verses of Arab poetry about bravery in war and other noble characteristics. How can you compare this to that? What is strange is that this hadeeth is one of the strongest proofs against them. The greatest speaker of the truth [Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq] called them musical instruments of the Shaytaan, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of that appellation, but he made an exception in the case of these two young girls who had not yet reached the age of responsibility and the words of whose songs could not corrupt anyone who listened to them. Can this be used as evidence to allow what you do and what you know of listening (to music) which includes (bad) things which are not hidden?! Subhaan Allaah! How people can be led astray! (Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/493).

Ibn al-Jawzi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) was young at that time; nothing was transmitted from her after she reached the age of puberty except condemnation of singing. Her brother’s son, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, condemned singing and said that it was not allowed to listen to it, and he took his knowledge from her. (Talbees Iblees, 229). Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: A group of the Sufis used this hadeeth – the hadeeth about the two young girls – as evidence that singing is allowed and it is allowed to listen to it, whether it is accompanied by instruments or not. This view is sufficiently refuted by the clear statement of ‘Aa’ishah in the following hadeeth, where she says, “They were not singers.” She made it clear that they were not singers as such, although this may be understood from the wording of the report. So we should limit it to what was narrated in the text as regards the occasion and the manner, so as to reduce the risk of going against the principle, i.e., the hadeeth. And Allaah knows best. (Fath al-Baari, 2/442-443).

Some people even have the nerve to suggest that the Sahaabah and Taabi’een listened to singing, and that they saw nothing wrong with it!

Al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: We demand them to show us saheeh isnaads going back to these Sahaabah and Taabi’een, proving what they attribute to them. Then he said: Imaam Muslim mentioned in his introduction to his Saheeh that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Mubaarak said: The isnaad is part of religion. Were it not for the isnaad, whoever wanted to could say whatever he wanted to.

Some of them said that the ahaadeeth which forbid music are full of faults. No hadeeth was free of being criticized by some of the scholars. Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The ahaadeeth which were narrated concerning music being haraam are not full of faults as has been claimed. Some of them are in Saheeh al-Bukhaari which is the soundest of books after the Book of Allaah, and some of them are hasan and some are da’eef. But because they are so many, with different isnaads, they constitute definitive proof that singing and musical instruments are haraam.

All the imaams agreed on the soundness of the ahaadeeth which forbid singing and musical instruments, apart from Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, but al-Ghazzaali did not have knowledge of hadeeth; and Ibn Hazam, but al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) explained where Ibn Hazam went wrong, and Ibn Hazam himself said that if any of (these ahaadeeth) were saheeh, he would follow that. But now they have proof that these reports are saheeh because there are so many books by the scholars which state that these ahaadeeth are saheeh, but they turn their backs on that. They are far more extreme than Ibn Hazam and they are nothing like him, for they are not qualified and cannot be referred to.

Some of them said that the scholars forbade singing because it is mentioned alongside gatherings in which alcohol is drunk and where people stay up late at night for evil purposes.

Al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The response to this is that mentioning these things in conjunction does not only mean that what is haraam is what is joined toget

her in this manner. Otherwise this would mean that zinaa, as mentioned in the ahaadeeth, is not haraam unless it is accompanied by alcohol and the use of musical instruments. By the same token, an aayah such as the following (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, he used not to believe in Allaah, the Most Great,

And urged not on the feeding of Al‑Miskeen (the poor).”

[al-Haaqqah 69:33-34]

would imply that it is not haraam to disbelieve in Allaah unless that is accompanied by not encouraging the feeding of the poor. If it is said that the prohibition of such things one at a time is proven from other reports, the response to that is that the prohibition of musical instruments is also known from other evidence, as mentioned above. (Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/107).

Some of them said that “idle talk” does not refer to singing; the refutation of that has been mentioned above. Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This – the view that it means singing – is the best that has been said concerning this aayah, and Ibn Mas’ood swore three times by Allaah besides Whom there is no other god, that it does refer to singing. Then he mentioned other imaams who said the same thing. Then he mentioned other views concerning the matter. Then he said: The first view is the best of all that has been said on this matter, because of the marfoo’ hadeeth, and because of the view of the Sahaabah and the Taabi’een. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him), after quoting this Tafseer, said: Al-Haakim Abu ‘Abd-Allaah said in the Tafseer of Kitaab al-Mustadrak: Let the one who is seeking this knowledge know that the Tafseer of a Sahaabi who witnessed the revelation is a hadeeth with isnaad according to the two Shaykhs (al-Bukhaari and Muslim). Elsewhere in his book, he said: In our view this hadeeth has the same strength as a marfoo’ report. Although their tafseer is still subject to further examination, it is still more readily acceptable than the tafseer of those who came after them, because they are the most knowledgeable among this ummah of what Allaah meant in his Book. It was revealed among them and they were the first people to be addressed by it. They heard the tafseer from the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in word and in deed. And they were Arabs who understood the true meanings of (Arabic) words, so Muslims should avoid resorting to any other interpretation as much as possible.

Some of them said that singing is a form of worship if the intention is for it to help one to obey Allaah!

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: How strange! What type of faith, light, insight, guidance and knowledge can be gained from listening to tuneful verses and music in which most of what is said is haraam and deserves the wrath and punishment of Allaah and His Messenger? … How can anyone who has the least amount of insight and faith in his heart draw near to Allaah and increase his faith by enjoying something which is hated by Him, and He detests the one who says it and the one who accepts it? (Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/485)

Shaykh al-Islam said, discussing the state of the person who has gotten used to listening to singing: Hence you find that those who have gotten used to it and for whom it is like food and drink will never have the desire to listen to the Qur’aan or feel joy when they hear it, and they never find in listening to its verses the same feeling that they find when listening to poetry. Indeed, if they hear the Qur’aan, they hear it with an inattentive heart and talk whilst it is being recited, but if they hear whistling and clapping of hands, they lower their voices and keep still, and pay attention. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/557 ff)

Some say that music and musical instruments have the effect of softening people’s hearts and creating gentle feelings. This is not true, because it provokes physical desires and whims. If it really did what they say, it would have softened the hearts of the musicians and made their attitude and behaviour better, but most of them, as we know, astray and behave badly.

Conclusion

Perhaps – for fair-minded and objective readers – this summary will make it clear that the view that music is permissible has no firm basis. There are no two views on this matter. So we must advise in the best manner, and then take it step by step and denounce music, if we are able to do so. We should not be deceived by the fame of a man in our own times in which the people who are truly committed to Islam have become strangers. The one who says that singing and musical instruments are permitted is simply supporting the whims of people nowadays, as if the masses were issuing fatwas and he is simply signing them! If a matter arises, they will look at the views of fuqahaa’ on this matter, then they will take the easiest view, as they claim. Then they will look for evidence, or just specious arguments which are worth no more than a lump of dead meat. How often have these people approved things in the name of sharee’ah which in fact have nothing to do with Islam!

Strive to learn your Islam from the Book of your Lord and the Sunnah of your Prophet. Do not say, So-and-so said, for you cannot learn the truth only from men. Learn the truth and then measure people against it. This should be enough for the one who controls his whims and submits himself to his Lord. May what we have written above heal the hearts of the believers and dispel the whispers in the hearts of those who are stricken with insinuating whispers. May it expose everyone who is deviating from the path of Revelation and taking the easiest options, thinking that he has come up with something which none of the earlier generations ever achieved, and speaking about Allaah without knowledge. They sought to avoid fisq (evildoing) and ended up committing bid’ah – may Allaah not bless them in it. It would have been better for them to follow the path of the believers.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless and grant peace to His Messenger who made clear the path of the believers, and to his companions and those who follow them in truth until the Day of Judgement.


For more information, please see:

Al-I’laam bi Naqd Kitaab al-Halaal wa’l-Haraam, by Shaykh al-‘Allaamah Saalih ibn Fawzaan al-Fawzaan

Al-Samaa’ by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn al-Qayyim

Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab, by Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him)

All these long epistle just to conclude allah aka the prophet hates music. But it's ok to call Jews and Christians pigs and monkeys, fight people who don't believe etc

AntiChristian:
Isn't this funny too?

Instrumental music in the worship of the church is:
Not taught by Christ (Mat. 28:18; Col. 3:17; 2 John 9).
Not taught by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13; 14:26; Rom. 8:14).
Not taught by the Apostles (Mat. 28:19-20; Acts 2:42; Gal. 1:6-9; 1 Tim. 6:3-4).
Not in the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).
Not helpful (Acts 20:20).
Not a good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
Not of faith (Rom. 10:17; 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 11:7).
Not of truth (John 4:24; 17:17).
Not of righteousness (Rom. 1:16-17; 1 John 5:17).
Not as the oracles of God (2 Tim. 1:13; 1 Pet. 4:11).
Not bound in heaven (Mat. 16:19).
Not pertaining to life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3).

https://www.northwestcofc.org/why-does-the-church-of-christ-not-use-mechanical-instruments-of-music-in-worship.html

You are known to just Google and quote things out of context, have you read any of the above verses yourself?

For a balanced view of the position of singing in Islam, one should read Al-Qadarawi's book "The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam". The author quotes from scholars who said all the hadith prohibiting singing are fabricated. In essence singing per se, according to him, isn't prohibited provided, among other conditions he cited, the song does not promote lewdness, obscenity or other unislamic acts.

fortran12:
You are known to just Google and quote things out of context, have you read any of the above verses yourself?

I was expecting you to give verses where Jesus was playing musical instruments for his father when reciting the Lord's prayer!

AntiChristian:
See the uncouth people above me?

Parents are truly failing!

Musical Instruments is haram in Islam!

Hahaha...

Funny Muslims...

Your prophet had musical instruments in his house and singing was going on in his house by two girls.

Read Sahih al-bukhari Book 13 Hadith No 4.

Read what Jesus Christ the ONLY true Saviour is saying to you guys below...

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=audiobible.kingjamesbibleaudio

Have more facts to challenge you with base on the above topic.

Newnas:
Firstly, modernization is one thing and western ideologies is another. Don't mix them up.

Secondly, building airports isn't anti-Islamic. No law says you must go to hajj on donkeys. There's no special reward attached to your mode of transport. So your point is flawed. Rather it exposes your ignorance.

Finally, islam isn't against reciting poetry with a sonorous voice. However it places two conditions to it; no musical instruments should accompany it and it must not contain idolatry, promiscuity, insults and all other forms of anti-Islamic lyrics.

Modernization is based on western ideology. The Middle east today is the home of oil. Is oil exploration not a western innovation?

Building airports would have been declared un-islamic if those who decided against music are around to see that it, especially being a western idea don't you agree??

"Poetry with a sonorous voice". Nice try. You can call it "singing" it won't burn your pad. Music is singing and singing is music. The voice is described as a primary musical instrument. It's from it all the major and minor notes, progressions and other music elements are derived.

AntiChristian:
I was expecting you to give verses where Jesus was playing musical instruments for his father when reciting the Lord's prayer!

Why do asalatu sing and dance if it is haram?

Jesus did not need to sing and dance. His disciples did. He is to be worshipped in singing and dancing as the savior of the whole world.

Agboriotejoye:
While Italy is not the birthplace of Christianity, Jews are not Christians and they don't lay claim to it. It's totally different from the Saudi that are seen as the bastion of Islam. Heck, even the sultan has gone on pilgrimage there. It's one of the five pillars of Islam.
What you're comparing is not logical.

it might not be logical. but the aim is to let you understand that not all what the Saudis or Arabs do is islamic

Agboriotejoye:
Modernization is based on western ideology. The Middle east today is the home of oil. Is oil exploration not a western innovation?

Building airports would have been declared un-islamic if those who decided against music are around to see that it, especially being a western idea don't you agree??

"Poetry with a sonorous voice". Nice try. You can call it "singing" it won't burn your pad. Music is singing and singing is music. The voice is described as a primary musical instrument. It's from it all the major and minor notes, progressions and other music elements are derived.

Firstly, modernization is a collective human effort. It isn't exclusive to the any region of the world. Are they the only ones that make research and innovation? And if you've been reading you would have learnt how algebra was invented by a Muslim mathematician; al-Khawaarizmi. Your jehova witness book; awake even documented it. Please read and save yourself sone shame.

Secondly, call it misic or whatever name you like, as long as there isn't instruments and it doesn't contain prohibited lyrics there's nothing bad in it. Otherwise, it's un-Islamic.

fortran12:
You are known to just Google and quote things out of context, have you read any of the above verses yourself?

Don't Allow the Muslims to confused you with sensless talk...

They said having musical instruments or singing is bad in Islam, but there was musical instruments in their prophet house.

And two young girls where singing in his house.

Read Sahih al-bukhari Book 13:4

Or read below as I will post you the Hadith.

Here what Christ Jesus said to such people

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=audiobible.kingjamesbibleaudio

AntiChristian:
I was expecting you to give verses where Jesus was playing musical instruments for his father when reciting the Lord's prayer!

So you think the bible recorded all the daily life of Jesus? The message he brought is what the bible contains. We are not like Muslims who copy the prophet even the evil things he did. We all know he killed people who will have a killer as a prophet?

sunshineV:
You're not happy u listen to music? Fvck outta my face

lol. why the thing dey pain you like this. no vex abeg I don't like making people feel frustrated to the extend of using abusive languages

Agboriotejoye:
Why do asalatu sing and dance if it is haram?

Jesus did not need to sing and dance. His disciples did. He is to be worshipped in singing and dancing as the savior of the whole world.

You don't need to go that far...

Their prophet Muhammad had musical instruments in his house.

Just ask them that...

See below for the Hadith

AntiChristian:
See the uncouth people above me?

Parents are truly failing!

Musical Instruments is haram in Islam!

Same way your parents and that of other Muslims trained you and your lots into banditry, iswap,boko haram etc
Werey

Newnas:
Firstly, modernization is a collective human effort. It isn't exclusive to the any region of the world. Are they the only ones that make research and innovation? And if you've been reading you would have learnt how algebra was invented by a Muslim mathematician; al-Khawaarizmi. Your jehova witness book; awake even documented it. Please read and save yourself sone shame.

Secondly, call it misic or whatever name you like, as long as there isn't instruments and it doesn't contain prohibited lyrics there's nothing bad in it. Otherwise, it's un-Islamic.

Nope. Modernization is an effort of the 19-20th century western ideology not a collective human effort as you call it. Algebra is not modernization. It is a tool of mathematics. You can have knowledge of algebra and not have any idea what to do with it. For example Alcohol is forbidden in Islam. But it was discovered by an Arabic scientist. If we are to follow Islam, there will be no alcohol. Hope you see the difference now.

Your OP said music is un-Islamic and I've proven to you that your call to prayer is music in itself. Shall we then agree that call to prayer is un-Islamic or rather that there is confusion in Islam or maybe the OP is wrong. It can't be the other way you posited.

gentleibraheem:
it might not be logical. but the aim is to let you understand that not all what the Saudis or Arabs do is islamic

How can Saudis own the religion and decide what is and what is not Islamic and you turn around to say not all they do is Islamic. It's just like saying the Sultan can be wrong in Islamic matters when we know he is the supreme authority for islam in Nigeria. Except you want to tell us that Islam can exist without Saudis which will bring up another matter entirely like how do you then perform the hajj