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Samunique:
In other word, it's not your god that asked you to pray 5 times daily but your prophet ?

Even the Quran does not support it.

Because you cannot give me any verse in the Quran that says so .


Meanwhile it's like your propphet was the one deciding for your god according to this verse below.... And this is what you people always accuse the christians of, in fact you refer always to them as human worshipers, when it's very obvious that you people idolize your prophet more than Jesus Christ. Even Allah himself confirmed his slaves cannot have faith until they make Muhammed their judge.

Na wa oo !!!


Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

Lastly, it seems you cannot provide any quranic verse that asks Muslims to pray 5 times daily. So it's all fabrication and man made

osuofia2:
TO THOSE MAKING NOISE AND DISTURBING THAT ISLAMIC MODE OF WORSHIP CAN NOT BE CHANGED MAKE NNA COME SEE,

AntiChristian:
Let me ask you some questions!

When God saved the Egyptians where the Egyptians listening to God directly or indirectly by listening to Moses?

How were the people of the ark saved? Did God talked directly to them?
They believed and follow Noah's instructions!

So just as Moses decided as well as Noah and others, let our Muhammad decide for us.

AntiChristian:
COVID 19 or no COVID 19, Everyone will die. Whether as a stillbirth, infant Hideath,....old age death!

Death na death! You can die anytime!

Malaria has been killing hundreds of thousands yearly!

Is there anything we fear more than poverty & death? Amin

Yaa Rabb! Take my soul when you are pleased with me and grant me Jannat -al-Firdaous. Aameen.

Samunique:
First of all, God never sent Moses to the Egyptians but the children of Israel.

Yes, God always uses His servant as the conveyers of His words through His holy Spirit but, there's no place where God made that kind of statement such as the one in surah ( al-Nisaa 4:65 ) that belivers cannot have faith through him until they make a man tbeir judge.

Lastly, why do you think you're into the right worship when your holy book gives no specific instruction on praying fives times daily?

Don't u think if allah wanted it he would have stated it categorically in the quran his own word rather than making u people to on hadith which is just the collection of "hear say" from the prophet ?

AntiChristian:
Stop the rigmarole! This case is dismissed! God never met the Children of Israel themselves. He always send Moses to Instruct them. Their obedience to him is their obedience to God.

This has been happening to all Prophets and Messengers of God and Muhammad is not an exception!
And clearly the Qur'an does not specifically mention 5 daily prayers but the Prophet explained that to us as one of the companions of the Prophet it is reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The five daily prayers are (mentioned) in the Qur’aan.” He was asked, “Where?” He said, “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ is maghrib and ‘isha’; ‘and when you enter the morning’ is fajr; ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.”.

So once again, the Qur'an is being expatiated by the Hadiths!

Allah says:
“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it with it…” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 16546; this is a saheeh hadeeth). Whether the rules were narrated in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah, all of it is true and right, and all of it has one source, which is the wahy or revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

A collection of hearsay you say?

The Qur'an is clearly the word of Allah no doubt! The Hadith are classified based on authenticity: chains of transmission, retentive memory, truthfulness, etc...The Islamic tradition has been passed from generations to generation with accuracy!

You can talk about hearsays in the Bible according to Luke 1-1-4 where look claims he was a writer/historian who did not witness event but was writing from hearsays.

Now we can ask you same questions:

How many songs did Jesus tell you to sing?
How many fast, dance, clapping etc was recommended by Jesus?

Did Jesus ever sing, dance, clap, etc when praising his father? The Bible says he put his face to the ground!

And lastly, the new testament has 27 Books , 13 Books were allegedly written by Matthew, Peter, John (from the 12 disciples) and the rest written by unknown people like Mark, Luke.... 13 more books was allegedly written by Paul someone who was unknow to Jesus when he was alive!

Hebrews has an unknown author till date.

AntiChristian:
And clearly the Qur'an does not specifically mention 5 daily prayers

AntiChristian:
Stop the rigmarole! This case is dismissed! God never met the Children of Israel themselves. He always send Moses to Instruct them. Their obedience to him is their obedience to God.

This has been happening to all Prophets and Messengers of God and Muhammad is not an exception!
And clearly the Qur'an does not specifically mention 5 daily prayers but the Prophet explained that to us as one of the companions of the Prophet it is reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The five daily prayers are (mentioned) in the Qur’aan.” He was asked, “Where?” He said, “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ is maghrib and ‘isha’; ‘and when you enter the morning’ is fajr; ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.”.

So once again, the Qur'an is being expatiated by the Hadiths!

Allah says:
“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it with it…” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 16546; this is a saheeh hadeeth). Whether the rules were narrated in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah, all of it is true and right, and all of it has one source, which is the wahy or revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

A collection of hearsay you say?

The Qur'an is clearly the word of Allah no doubt! The Hadith are classified based on authenticity: chains of transmission, retentive memory, truthfulness, etc...The Islamic tradition has been passed from generations to generation with accuracy

You can talk about hearsays in the Bible according to Luke 1-1-4 where look claims he was a writer/historian who did not witness event but was writing from hearsays.

Now we can ask you same questions:

How many songs did Jesus tell you to sing?
How many fast, dance, clapping etc was recommended by Jesus?

Did Jesus ever sing, dance, clap, etc when praising his father? The Bible says he put his face to the ground!

And lastly, the new testament has 27 Books , 13 Books were allegedly written by Matthew, Peter, John (from the 12 disciples) and the rest written by unknown people like Mark, Luke.... 13 more books was allegedly written by Paul someone who was unknow to Jesus when he was alive!

Hebrews has an unknown author till date.

Juventus4life:
And moreover the Messenger of Allah Muhammed SAW prayed five time a day as directed by Allah but where did Jesus Christ clap ,sang, dance or go to church on Sunday or name your religious Christianity.

BlackfireX:
Religion is a scam....

Samunique:
@the bold :

You see, we none Muslims don't take you serious when it come to Hadith bcs, we understand your hypocrisy. When an Hadith exposes your prophet, religious inconsistencies and I'll manners, you tag it "weak and none authentic" but it favours your argument you make it an inspiration from Allah.

So the fact that the Quran doesn't confirm the five times daily directly means, it not directly from Allah.

Isn't the same Allah that said in the same Al Quran that he has perfected his prophet religion ?
And why will he say that without mentioning specifically that Muslims should pray 5times daily ?

AntiChristian:
Despite the Qur'an verse I showed up there that mentioned Salah at those times!

Now you only pick a fraction of what I said. Now answer the other parts!

1. You can talk about hearsays in the Bible according to Luke 1:1-4 where look claims he was a writer/historian who did not witness event but was writing from hearsays.

Now we can ask you same questions:

How many songs did Jesus tell you to sing?
How many fast, dance, clapping etc was recommended by Jesus?

2. Did Jesus ever sing, dance, clap, etc when praising his father? The Bible says he put his face to the ground!

3. And lastly, the new testament has 27 Books , 13 Books were allegedly written by Matthew, Peter, John (from the 12 disciples) and the rest written by unknown people like Mark, Luke.... 13 more books was allegedly written by Paul someone who was unknow to Jesus when he was alive!

Hebrews has an unknown author till date.

Samunique:
1. First of all, Luke was not just an historian, or physician but also an evangelist who received a first hand information from the eyewitnesses of the events that charaterized Jesus life. So Luke was not unknown to the early disciples. Luke 1:1-2

Luke 1:2
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Samunique:
What we have in the gospel are the reports of the eyewitnesses who were with Jesus form the beginning.

Samunique:
God in his wisdom allowed more than one person's reports, so that this one will cover where the other may not be able to cover. And we will have a balance knowledge of the gospel by comparing and contrasting.

This Bible itself says, out of the mouth of two or 3 witnesses every truth will be established. Deut 19:15, 1Cor 13:1, these are what we have in the Bible.

Samunique:
Not the self acclaimed prophet who went to pray in a cave and claimed he saw an Angel who forced him to recite some certain words and afterward, wanted to commit suicide bcs he wasn't sure of what he saw, until his older wife convinced him that he's Allah's prophet . He had no proofs or any external witnesses to substantiate his claims whatsoever.

All he started doing thereafter was to roll out prophecies upon prophecies many of which were questionable and plagearism of the existing scriptures, "though in distortive manner.
So you want me to take this over the Bible
One man show ?
Even in the court of law, witnesses are needed to establish the truth !
This is the Excellency of the Bible !

Samunique:
It's not a one man book, yet it agreed on some important issues such as the creation, fall of man, provision for salvation, Abraham, Moses and the prophets, the history of the nation Israel, the prophecies of the coming messiah ,
His crucifixion, death and ressurection. All from different writers, this must be God inspired writers !

Samunique:
Now let me show you how it works here .
John 5:31-33
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.

This is how it works. Jesus never bear witnesse of himself, he allowed others to do it. First John the Baptist, and later his own disciples who were with him from the beginning.

Read these :
2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

Tell me, who are the witnesses of your prophet ?

How can I be convinced an Angel appeared to him, and if so, which Angel?
An Angel of God?

Do you think everone who speaks in the name of the Lord is sent by God?

Look, as christians, we understand the things of the spirit to some extent and how they work. And by His grace, some of us are even prophets.

So the gospel accounts from the eyewitnesses is far better than the testimony of one man without external evidences or proofs .

Samunique:
@bolded answer no2
2. Singing and praising God is the most sacred way of worship in both the old and new testaments, except you want to deny the obvious.

Samunique:
Jesus also sang :

Matthew 26:27-30
[27]And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
[28]For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
[29]But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
[30] And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

Samunique:
3.I've answered your last question together above there.

The book of Hebrews was written by Paul.