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Jozzy4:
that's why I ask if your understanding of we which are alive are not dying is correct , Tell me why people are presently not going to heaven undying presently since we are now at the time of Christ presence ??

Will I have to turn the scriptures into something else WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN" are NOT DEAD, so tell us WHY they NEED RESURRECTION?

Jozzy4:
You lack Bible knowledge big time , Are you aware that there is a different word for death in that same 1 Cor chapter 15 ? For example when Paul says what you sow cannot come to live unless first it dies. The greek word for death appears there. But he didn't use it at verse 51 , I brought that Gethsemane exmaple to let you realize the word sleep there is not death. Or else that would mean the disciples we're dead when Jesus saw them

That's your palaver, very soon your usual ADJECTIVES will FOLLOW, mrZENographer highlighted this earlier now correlate it with YOUR LATEST post

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH

achorladey:
Will I have to turn the scriptures into something else WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN" are NOT DEAD, so tell us WHY they NEED RESURRECTION?

You no just have sense ... Verse 15 says its those who are alive till the time of Christ presence . If this means they won't die, Why are people not presently getting caught up to heaven WITHOUT DYINg at this period of Christ presence ?? If you are correct, it should be happening now!!

achorladey:
That's your palaver, very soon your usual ADJECTIVES will FOLLOW, mrZENographer highlighted this earlier now correlate it with YOUR LATEST post

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH

To rule with Christ, tasting death and ressurection is a must - Rev 20:6 . Have sense. Some will upon death, experience an instant ressurection in the twinkling of an eye . No sleeping in the grave for long

Jozzy4:
All must partake of ressurection ba ?

All the saints/righteous believers, dead or alive.

mrZENographer:
All the saints/righteous believers, dead or alive.

Thanks bro, I agree with you ressurection is a must for all who have the calling to rule as King and priest with Christ in heaven. ( I choose not to use the word rapture earlier cos some people who preach rapture believe they don't need ressurection as they suddenly disappear alive, that's what I don't agree with. So am cool with the word first ressurection rather than rapture) .... Though I do not agree all righteous people have the heavenly calling. But that's a topic for another day.

Jozzy4:
You no just have sense ... Verse 15 says its those who are alive till the time of Christ presence . If this means they won't die, Why are people not presently getting caught up to heaven WITHOUT DYINg at this period of Christ presence ?? If you are correct, it should be happening now!!

That's why its good to read carefully what people post here and try keep to the point they are trying to make before you start diverting into areas not called for. My palaver is NOT CHRIST PRESENCE. The organization you are a member of have GONE BACK and FORTH on that too numerous to count under half of a DECADE.

That's what happened CONCERNING the ONE HOPE discussion you and I had last palaver before you DIVERT into ONE HOPE, TWO DESTINATION conundrum.

Jozzy4:
To rule with Christ, tasting death and ressurection is a must - Rev 20:6 . Have sense. Some will upon death, experience an instant ressurection in the twinkling of an eye . No sleeping in the grave for long

Some WILL UPON DEATH and not SOME "WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN"

achorladey:
That's why its good to read carefully what people post here and try keep to the point they are trying to make before you start diverting into areas not called for. My palaver is NOT CHRIST PRESENCE. The organization you are a member of have GONE BACK and FORTH on that too numerous to count under half of a DECADE.

You who knows better , why are people not dissapearing now without dying, or are we not at the time of Christ presence ?? Or is Paul lying ? yeye dey smell

That's what happened CONCERNING the ONE HOPE discussion you and I had last palaver before you DIVERT into ONE HOPE, TWO DESTINATION conundrum.

You no well, your post admitting two destination is still in my file ...

achorladey:
Some WILL UPON DEATH and not SOME "WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN"

Remain till when ? Christ presence abi ? So why is it not happening now, people been lifted up without dying yeye ?

moving-toward-a-one-world-government-a-one-world-economy-and-a-one-world-religion.

Babylon Code alright. It's RIFA(Ruga Islamisation Fulanisation and Anarchy) in NIGERIA. So Oga Francis should wait until BUHARI catches up with him.

That's why I always say Jehovah witness are the most hypocrites...

Didn't your organization contrast sleep with death?

for instance, the case of Lazarus before Jesus raised him up.

This is a link where your demonic organization categorically said "Death is like a deep sleep"

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20140101/death-is-not-the-end/

Jozzy4:
Thank you, let me repeat this .... Sleep indicate a period of rest . Paul is not saying they won't die . The word sleep is not synonymous with death.

Death Is a criteria to enjoy the first Ressurection which 1Corinthians 15 is all about.

" Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection . Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 NKJV)

To be a king and rule with Christ for the thousand years , they must experience a Ressurection. So when he says some won't sleep, he is not saying they won't die, but rather unlike those who spent long period in the grave. They would be Ressurection in the twinkling of an eye. No resting like others

Hence a sacred secret.



Here is the verse in full ...

1Thes 4:15-17

" According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

If you are correct, people should presently be going to heaven without dying, cos we are presently at the Lord's coming... Matthew 24 proves this. !!!

So why haven't people been caught into the air ? Or are you guys reading what's not there Into the verse


It's not what you think, hope you can see now?

Jozzy4:
Remain till when ? Christ presence abi ? So why is it not happening now, people been lifted up without dying yeye ?

That's the one thing you love doing DIVERSION, it has jumped from presence to remain till when then back to presence.

Your last post carries upon DEATH.

Compare with this YOUR statement below.....

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH

the reason mrZENographer says CONFUSION everywhere.

THEY WONT NEED TO die THERE MUST BE DEATH all in ONE swoop.

To colour it you now go the way of presence. The same presence TEACHING that was going back and forth while being herald at different times.

Jozzy4:
You who knows better , why are people not dissapearing now without dying, or are we not at the time of Christ presence ?? Or is Paul lying ? yeye dey smell




You no well, your post admitting two destination is still in my file ...

DIVERSION mode in place with the PRESENCE PALAVER.

When asked was our discussion concerning HOPE centered on DESTINATION. Another diversion will set in.

Jozzy4:
Remain till when ? Christ presence abi ? So why is it not happening now, people been lifted up without dying yeye ?

Paul clarified this @ 1Corinthian 15:42-44.

It is SOWN physical and REAPED spiritual.

Sown means given to the dust (buried) like Jesus before raised spiritual!

Since blood and flesh cannot inherit heaven, there is no way a living person can fly there without been transformed first, and before transformation the body MUST BE SOWN(BURIED).

So it simply means any person going to heaven must die first, but where the problem lies now is Paul's statement which says "we who are still living will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye" and "we will not sleep in death".

Churchgoers believe that the SPIRIT or SOUL (as their pastors have taught them) will not be in the grave with the body, those who are dead will need their SOULS or SPIRITS back before they can be resurrected. And again resurrection means standing up, so it becomes a problem for them to correlate how a person whose spirit/soul supposed to depart from the body at death will need a transformation again!

That's where their problem lies!

Emusan:
That's why I always say Jehovah witness are the most hypocrites...

Didn't your organization contrast sleep with death?

for instance, the case of Lazarus before Jesus raised him up.

This is a link where your demonic organization categorically said "Death is like a deep sleep"

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20140101/death-is-not-the-end/

he is coming back to defend it with the "YOU DONT HAVE sense" tag and the confusion below

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH.

You cant blame him I was reading an article from the watchtower that has the title FIRST RESURRECTION NOW UNDER WAY

the concluding paragraphs states the below......

God’s Word does not disclose a precise date for the first resurrection, but it does reveal that it occurs over a period of time, during Christ’s presence........

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007006

In essence the entire article is centered on SPEC SPEC SPEC SPEC SPECULATION. It would be nice for one to KEY into Acts 1:7

achorladey:
DIVERSION mode in place with the PRESENCE PALAVER.

And it render You speechless ? yeye .

achorladey:
That's the one thing you love doing DIVERSION, it has jumped from presence to remain till when then back to presence.

Your last post carries upon DEATH.

Compare with this YOUR statement below.....

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH

the reason mrZENographer says CONFUSION everywhere.

THEY WONT NEED TO die THERE MUST BE DEATH all in ONE swoop.

To colour it you now go the way of presence. The same presence TEACHING that was going back and forth while being herald at different times.

You don't have sense i repeat, Two scripture were presented by MrZENographer . 1 Cor 15:51 and 1The 4:15-17 . I pose different point to each

For 1 Cor 15:51 my point remains not all that dies will fall asleep. But death is compulsory for all who will rule as King and Priest with Christ. ( Rev 20:6 ) but in that scripture paul reveal some will receive an instant ressurection. Do they sleep ? U no get sense I repeat it once more

And concerning the second I pose a question to you. The event is dated at Christ's presence going by verse 15. Are we presently seeing the signs of Christ presence or not as stated in Matthew 24? If yes, why is your theory of flying not started happening ? ...

I never diverted but treat two different scriptures. Don't be silly

Emusan:
That's why I always say Jehovah witness are the most hypocrites...

Didn't your organization contrast sleep with death?

for instance, the case of Lazarus before Jesus raised him up.

This is a link where your demonic organization categorically said "Death is like a deep sleep"

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20140101/death-is-not-the-end/

" sleep" to rest for a period of time . in humans people rest majorly at night for hours during which there bodies are at rest. Even Lazarus has been dead for days , so its understandable why death is likened to sleep . but when someone says we shall not all sleep. Its never the same as we shall not all die. Never !


Excerpt from the link above ,




" Notice that regarding the death of both Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter, Jesus compared death to sleep. That is a fitting comparison. Why? Sleep is an unconscious state and suitably conveys the idea of REST from pain and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; see the accompanying box, “Death Is Like a Deep Sleep.”) Jesus’ early disciples clearly understood the true condition of the dead. “To the followers of Jesus death was a sleep, and the grave a resting-place . . . for those who had died in the faith,” * states the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics

The word " sleep " conveys the idea of some period of rest.


Let me ask: If someone close their eyes and open it instantly , Is that the same as sleep/rest?

achorladey:
he is coming back to defend it with the "YOU DONT HAVE sense" tag and the confusion below

THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH.

You cant blame him I was reading an article from the watchtower that has the title FIRST RESURRECTION NOW UNDER WAY

the concluding paragraphs states the below......

God’s Word does not disclose a precise date for the first resurrection, but it does reveal that it occurs over a period of time, during Christ’s presence........

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007006

In essence the entire article is centered on SPEC SPEC SPEC SPEC SPECULATION. It would be nice for one to KEY into Acts 1:7

I expect you guys to be flying to heaven already since we are now at Christ presence ... If your understanding is correct. Fallacy master.

Jozzy4:
You who knows better , why are people not dissapearing now without dying, or are we not at the time of Christ presence ?? Or is Paul lying ? yeye dey smell




You no well, your post admitting two destination is still in my file ...

Yeebariba

Jozzy4:
" sleep" to rest for a period of time . in humans people rest majorly at night for hours during which there bodies are at rest. Even Lazarus has been dead for days , so its understandable why death is likened to sleep . but when someone says we shall not all sleep. Its never the same as we shall not all die. Never !


Excerpt from the link above ,




" Notice that regarding the death of both Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter, Jesus compared death to sleep. That is a fitting comparison. Why? Sleep is an unconscious state and suitably conveys the idea of REST from pain and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; see the accompanying box, “Death Is Like a Deep Sleep.”) Jesus’ early disciples clearly understood the true condition of the dead. “To the followers of Jesus death was a sleep, and the grave a resting-place . . . for those who had died in the faith,” * states the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics

The word " sleep " conveys the idea of some period of rest.


Let me ask: If someone close their eyes and open it instantly , Is that the same as sleep/rest?

One thing that is certained is that most you JWs will never accept you made mistakes thinking you know more than the rest.

Your first claim was "SLEEP is never SYNONYMOUS to Death"

This is how you put it in your own word "Thank you, let me repeat this .... Sleep indicate a period of rest. Paul is not saying they won't die . The word sleep is not synonymous with death."

But it's evident throughout the scriptures how sleep was equated with death.

You did this just to disprove that verse without looking at where scripture uses the same word.

Look at how Apostle Paul himself put it here
"1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."

Apostle Paul used FALLING ASLEEP here to mean death and it's evident from that passage that "....we shall not all SLEEP...." means we shall not all died but only a manipulator like you and your organization will pervert the meaning of that verse.

Jozzy4:
I expect you guys to be flying to heaven already since we are now at Christ presence ... If your understanding is correct. Fallacy master.

dont worry we will be flying together very soon. Mr FALLACY DETECTOR using the NO PRECISE date of CHRIST PRESENCE based on the popular PRECISE DATE.

Barristter07:
Yeebariba

yeebariba WHAT mr TWO HOPES for CHRISTIANS

Emusan:
One thing that is certained is that most you JWs will never accept you made mistakes thinking you know more than the rest.

Your first claim was "SLEEP is never SYNONYMOUS to Death"

This is how you put it in your own word "Thank you, let me repeat this .... Sleep indicate a period of rest. Paul is not saying they won't die . The word sleep is not synonymous with death."

But it's evident throughout the scriptures how sleep was equated with death.

You did this just to disprove that verse without looking at where scripture uses the same word.

Look at how Apostle Paul himself put it here
"1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."

Apostle Paul used FALLING ASLEEP here to mean death and it's evident from that passage that "....we shall not all SLEEP...." we shall not all died but only a manipulator you and your organization will pervert the meaning of that verse.

hahahahahahaaha na PERSON WEY NO get SENSE they go dey look for rather than face what is before them.

He will come back and tell you

its understandable why death is likened to sleep . but when someone says we shall not all sleepp. Its never the same as we shall not all die. Never !

Emusan

Emusan:
One thing that is certained is that most you JWs will never accept you made mistakes thinking you know more than the rest.

Your first claim was "SLEEP is never SYNONYMOUS to Death"

This is how you put it in your own word "Thank you, let me repeat this .... Sleep indicate a period of rest. Paul is not saying they won't die . The word sleep is not synonymous with death."

But it's evident throughout the scriptures how sleep was equated with death.

The exact same word was applied to Jesus disciples at Gethsemane when they were sleeping, Does that mean he met them as dead men ?

I want us to be highly objective here. That Greek word in itself is not the same as death but for emphasis where death is talked about its added to show that such a person is still in the grave AWAITING A Ressurection. E.g Lazarus

For someone ressurected instantly, that won't apply. He was never in a waiting state of rest.

I believe Revelation 20:6 quoted earlier is clear enough.

You did this just to disprove that verse without looking at where scripture uses the same word.

Look at how Apostle Paul himself put it here
"1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."

Apostle Paul used FALLING ASLEEP here to mean death and it's evident from that passage that "....we shall not all SLEEP...." [color=brown] means we shall not all died but only a manipulator like you and your organization will pervert the meaning of that verse.

Not just death, that word when used in connection with death signifies someone awaiting a resurrection , the word carries the meaning of resting for a long period or waiting. Hence it's used for living persons too . its not same as death!!! . there is a different Greek word for " death " and while Paul used it in that same 1Corinthians 15, he didn't use it at verse 51. Why? Take a look at the text again.

" Look! I tell you a sacred secret: WE will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, AND WE will be changed.

Emphasis on " we"

To experience the change a person must be raised up incorruptible and that's by dying. But he was only emphasizing that some would be instant. Like he asked earlier: someone who closed their eyes and open it immediately , Is that sleep?

achorladey:
dont worry we will be flying together very soon. Mr FALLACY DETECTOR using the NO PRECISE date of CHRIST PRESENCE based on the popular PRECISE DATE.

Matthew 24 is clear enough, the signs are here . don't know why y'all ain't flying yet. after all those remaining till Christ presence ought to be flying now.

Emusan:
One thing that is certained is that most you JWs will never accept you made mistakes thinking you know more than the rest.

Your first claim was "SLEEP is never SYNONYMOUS to Death"

This is how you put it in your own word "Thank you, let me repeat this .... Sleep indicate a period of rest. Paul is not saying they won't die . The word sleep is not synonymous with death."

But it's evident throughout the scriptures how sleep was equated with death.

You did this just to disprove that verse without looking at where scripture uses the same word.

Look at how Apostle Paul himself put it here
"1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."

Apostle Paul used FALLING ASLEEP here to mean death and it's evident from that passage that "....we shall not all SLEEP...." means we shall not all died but only a manipulator like you and your organization will pervert the meaning of that verse.

Liarrrrrrrrr Emusan, 419, that same word was applied to living persons proving The word itself doesn't mean death or equal death. But when its used for a dead person, means they are sleeping in death or waiting in the grave. It carries a sense of resting in death awaiting who will wake them up. While for living long period of rest until they are awaken . the concept is to be in a state of sleep. Closing eyes and opening it immediately is not sleep.

Revelation 20:6 says for anyone to rule with Christ as King and Priest , they must die and be ressurected . so death is compulsory.

But for some , since their resurrection would be instant they won't actually sleep.

Jozzy4:
" sleep" to rest for a period of time . in humans people rest majorly at night for hours during which there bodies are at rest. Even Lazarus has been dead for days , so its understandable why death is likened to sleep . but when someone says we shall not all sleep. Its never the same as we shall not all die. Never !


Excerpt from the link above ,




" Notice that regarding the death of both Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter, Jesus compared death to sleep. That is a fitting comparison. Why? Sleep is an unconscious state and suitably conveys the idea of REST from pain and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; see the accompanying box, “Death Is Like a Deep Sleep.”) Jesus’ early disciples clearly understood the true condition of the dead. “To the followers of Jesus death was a sleep, and the grave a resting-place . . . for those who had died in the faith,” * states the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics

The word " sleep " conveys the idea of some period of rest.


Let me ask: If someone close their eyes and open it instantly , Is that the same as sleep/rest?

" Notice that regarding the death of both Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter, Jesus compared death to sleep. That is a fitting comparison. Why? Sleep is an unconscious state and suitably conveys the idea of REST from pain and suffering.

Does DEATH equally conveys the IDEA of REST from PAIN and SUFFERING?

Barristter07:
The exact same word was applied to Jesus disciples at Gethsemane when they were sleeping, Does that mean he met them as dead men ?

You look at the content of a statement first!

Besides, the bone contention here is, does sleep synonymous with death?

Which your brother first claimed it was not!

I want us to be highly objective here. That Greek word in itself is not the same as death but for emphasis where death is talked about its added to show that such a person is still in the grave AWAITING A Ressurection. E.g Lazarus

It might not be the same as death but it's evident wherever it used depending on the content means DEATH, is it true or false?

For someone ressurected instantly, that won't apply. He was never in a waiting state of rest.

The question is, before this instant resurrection, what is the state of the person?

Also, who and who will experience instant resurrection?

I believe Revelation 20:6 quoted earlier is clear enough.

To you

Not just death, that word when used in connection with death signifies someone awaiting a resurrection , the word carries the meaning of resting for a long period or waiting. Hence it's used for living persons too . its not same as death!!! . there is a different Greek word for " death " and while Paul used it in that same 1Corinthians 15, he didn't use it at verse 51. Why? Take a look at the text again.

" Look! I tell you a sacred secret: WE will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, AND WE will be changed.

Emphasis on " we"

Emphasis on "WE" was Apostle Paul part of the WE or the rest of the people?

Is Apostle still in the grave now awaiting resurrection?

To experience the change a person must be raised up incorruptible and that's by dying. But he was only emphasizing that some would be instant. Like he asked earlier: someone who closed their eyes and open it immediately , Is that sleep?

Clarify how the instant will be...
is the person will die and immediately he'll be resurrected?

Who are the one who will experience instant resurrection and who are the one who will wait in the grave?

Let's see if the scripture separates any.

Barristter07:
Emusan



The exact same word was applied to Jesus disciples at Gethsemane when they were sleeping, Does that mean he met them as dead men ?

I want us to be highly objective here. That Greek word in itself is not the same as death but for emphasis where death is talked about its added to show that such a person is still in the grave AWAITING A Ressurection. E.g Lazarus

For someone ressurected instantly, that won't apply. He was never in a waiting state of rest.

I believe Revelation 20:6 quoted earlier is clear enough.




Not just death, that word when used in connection with death signifies someone awaiting a resurrection , the word carries the meaning of resting for a long period or waiting. Hence it's used for living persons too . its not same as death!!! . there is a different Greek word for " death " and while Paul used it in that same 1Corinthians 15, he didn't use it at verse 51. Why? Take a look at the text again.

" Look! I tell you a sacred secret: WE will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, AND WE will be changed.

Emphasis on " we"

To experience the change a person must be raised up incorruptible and that's by dying. But he was only emphasizing that some would be instant. Like he asked earlier: someone who closed their eyes and open it immediately , Is that sleep?

Thank you brother . 1 Corinthians 15:36 he said what you sow doesn't not come to life unless first it DIES. The Greek word is direct .


apothnéskó: to die

It has nothing to do with sleep or not. It simply means to die ... The other word conveys a meaning of waiting to be awaken. While this simply means to die. Interestingly Paul didn't use this word at 1 Cor 15:51 clearing the point. Revelation 20:6 remains valid

Emusan:
You look at the content of a statement first!

Besides, the bone contention here is, does sleep synonymous with death?

Which your brother first claimed it was not!



It might not be the same as death but it's evident wherever it used depending on the content means DEATH, is it true or false?

You are now agreeing with claim ba? @ red . Breeze don blow at your lies

The question is, before this instant resurrection, what is the state of the person?

The Person simply died . But didn't sleep as they are raised in the twinkling of an eye.

The Greek word for die is different from the one at 1Cor 15:51. So Paul isn't saying they won't die ,

Also, who and who will experience instant resurrection?



To you

Revelation 20:6 says ruling with Christ is for those who experience first resurrection . showing death is a must. Before resurrection must come death

Emphasis on "WE" was Apostle Paul part of the WE or the rest of the people?

Is Apostle still in the grave now awaiting resurrection?

We are now at Christ's presence ( Matthew 24 the signs are evident ) . and that's the period the Bible placed the first ressurection . 1The 4:15-17 so Paul is currently ressurected to heaven to rule with Christ

Clarify how the instant will be...
is the person will die and immediately he'll be resurrected?

Who are the one who will experience instant resurrection and who are the one who will wait in the grave?

Let's see if the scripture separates any.

It does separate , this is where 1The 4:15-17 comes in it says ' The living won't precede those already died for years ' . cos those living at the time of Christ presence would have to wait for their own death too, but unlike those ones. They would be ressurected in an instant as a spirit being.