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achorladey:
Thank you!

The point below simply means

the GB of JWs and those EATING THE EMBLEMS at the MEMORIAL of christ death(which the JWS see as the ANOINTED ONES) get RESURRECTION in twinkling of an eye UPON DEATH while those still ALIVE wait for THEIR TIME TO DIE, the reason you see THEM trying hard to HANG on to Revelation 20:6. Should they decide to drop REV 20:6 they know their CHRIST INVISIBLE PRESENCE comes to NOTHING and their BELIEFs concerning 1 Thessa comes to NONSENSE.

Therefore rephrasing point 6 it becomes

"6. Which means as some JWs will die some will be quickly resurrected( aka THE BORN AGAINS/ THE Governing body/ THE ANOINTED JWS) while the rest will be left ASLEEP in the grave (THE GREAT CROWD OF OTHER SHEEP or NON ANOINTED JWS)...."

You perfectly understand the thing....

Imagine, we're in Christ presence when people supposed to be resurrecting instantly but at the same time people are still left asleep in the grave.

achorladey:
To Emusan for your reading pleasure and see the mindset embedded in Jozzy4, barristter07......how they use POSSIBLY, MAYBE, CANNOT DIRECTLY CONFIRM, IT SEEMS to cause confusion here ad there.

A look at paragraph 11 and 12 no single scriptures is used to back whatever is written or contained in there.......

Now Under Way?

9. How do Revelation 12:7 and 17:14 help us to approximate the time when the first resurrection begins?

9 When does the first resurrection occur? There is strong evidence that it is now under way. For example, compare two chapters of Revelation. First, look at Revelation chapter 12. There we read that the newly enthroned Jesus Christ, along with his holy angels, wages war against Satan and his demons. (Revelation 12:7-9) As this journal has often shown, that battle began in 1914.* Notice, though, that none of Christ’s anointed followers are said to be with Jesus in that heavenly war. Now look at chapter 17 of Revelation. We read there that after the destruction of “Babylon the Great,” the Lamb will conquer the nations. Then it adds: “Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him will do so.” (Revelation 17:5, 14) “Called and chosen and faithful” ones must already have been resurrected if they are to be with Jesus for the final defeat of Satan’s world. Reasonably, then, anointed ones who die before Armageddon are resurrected sometime between 1914 and Armageddon.

10, 11. (a) Who are the 24 elders, and what does one of them reveal to John? (b) What can we deduce from this?

10 Can we say more precisely when the first resurrection begins? An interesting clue is found at Revelation 7:9-15, where the apostle John describes his vision of “a great crowd, which no man was able to number.” The identity of that great crowd is revealed to John by one of the 24 elders, and these elders represent the 144,000 joint heirs with Christ in their heavenly glory.* (Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 4:4) John himself had a heavenly hope; but since he was still a man on earth when the elder spoke to him, in the vision John must represent anointed ones on earth who have not yet received their heavenly reward.

11 What, then, can we deduce from the fact that one of the 24 elders identifies the great crowd to John? IT SEEMS THAT RESURRECTED ONES of the 24-ELDERS GROUP MAY BE involved in the COMMUNICATING of DIVINE TRUTHS TODAY. Why is that important? Because the correct identity of the GREAT CROWD was revealed to God’s ANOINTED servants on EARTH in 1935. If one of the 24 ELDERS was used to convey that IMPORTANT TRUTH, he would have had to be RESURRECTED to heaven by 1935 at the LATEST. That would indicate that the FIRST RESURRECTION began sometime between 1914 and 1935. Can we be more precise?

12. Explain why the spring of 1918 MAY be VIEWED as a POSSIBLE time for the first resurrection to begin.

12 At this point, it may be helpful to consider what might be viewed as a Bible parallel. Jesus Christ was anointed as the future King of God’s Kingdom in the fall of 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in the spring of 33 C.E., he was resurrected as a mighty spirit person. Could it, then, be REASONED that since Jesus was ENTHRONED in the FALL of 1914, the resurrection of his faithful anointed followers began three and a half years later, in the spring of 1918? That is AN INTERESTING POSSIBILITY. Although this CANNOT be DIRECTLY CONFIRMED in the BIBLE, it is not out of harmony with other scriptures that indicate that the first resurrection got under way soon after Christ’s presence began.


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007006#h=8


Finally from the same article........

God’s Word does not DISCLOSE a PRECISE DATE for the FIRST RESURRECTION, and you see them make COMMENT as if God gave them a PRECISE DATE first RESURRECTION started.

Their hypocrisy were all over places even in their own publications just that they were too blind to decipher.

Imagine this statement "this can't be directly confirmed in the Bible"

Maximus69:
Since these people don't go to Sunday school as you do, and you're here to prove them wrong.
Is it not better you answer these questions to show everyone following NOT only JWs that you fully grasp what you're saying?
This person's question is showing some loopholes in your Sunday school interpretation, so if you're now insisting he should join your so called Sunday school program, how do you expect other followers to see that it's not just some kind of brainwashing that's going on in your so called Sunday school?

So don't just assume that it's only you and Jehovah's Witnesses that's following the thread, when you're asked a question, try to make a reasonable response or just say "I don't know!"

Keep weeping....I didn't know it pains you so much

Barristter07:
Which good again, I thought all of them that are saints have followed the first ressurection ? your effort to differentiate is just hitting the wall.

Whether you like it or not, using the word coming place all ressurection at the exact same time. Which is unscriptural.

Beside I still repeat that point again: First ressurection is essential for all who will reign with Christ

With evidence thus far, 1914 is a hoax Christ has not come!

Emusan:
Keep weeping....I didn't know it pains you so much

Great. So you don't know!

Jehovah's Witnesses also have their own understanding on the same subject, and instead of directing you to their Kingdom Halls they are prepared to answer from the Bible, unlike you who keeps blabbing and shouting "Sunday School" when it's obvious that there are thousands of different religious groups with totally contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings yet claiming Christians all having Sunday Schools!

So which Sunday School are you referring people to go now is it the one organized by Catholic, Anglican, CAC, Cele, Deeper, Redeem, MFM, Methodist Foursquare e.t.c?

I grew up as a Muslim and i know that Christendom churches teaches contradicting things!

Please just say you don't know how to defend the erroneous doctrines your Pastors taught you in their absence, there is nothing to be ashamed of in that!

Maximus69:
Jesus said some will go to heaven:-
Matthew 5:3

Jesus said some will inherit the earth:-
Matthew 5:5

David:- Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7
Solomon:- Proverbs 2:20-22
Isaiah:- 2:1-4; 65:21-25

All said everlasting life will be on earth!

Only Jesus made a totally strange promise of taking his followers to heaven {John 14:1-4} this has never been heard before, Jesus explained that those going there must be transformed into spirits so they must be born again {John 3:3} they won't marry because marriage is meant for flesh and blood {Luke 20:35-36} their purpose is to rule over the earth as Kings and Priests {Revelations 20:6} this made their own resurrection different from all others {Revelations 20:5} in every society the ruling class are referred to as the FIRST citizens so the born again are the FIRST to be resurrected and their residence where the will live in their destination (heaven) is already PREPARED by Jesus unlike the others who will build their own houses! Isaiah 65:21

The one hope stands which is LIFE ETERNAL, so whether their going to live in heaven or on earth God will bless them all because he is the owner of both heaven and earth, when Satan, demons and their human agents are gone for good God will bless all those who belongs to him either in heaven or on earth! 1Corinthians 15:26-28

When you see words like this........."Hence, whether our hope is heavenly or earthly",............ in the WATCHTOWER.........

How many HOPE is IT?

Here is another...............Christians living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES.

How many HOPE is IT?

Its all in the WATCHTOWER.

Maximus69:
Great. So you don't know!

Jehovah's Witnesses also have their own understanding on the same subject, and instead of directing you to their Kingdom Halls they are prepared to answer from the Bible, unlike you who keeps blabbing and shouting "Sunday School" when it's obvious that there are thousands of different religious groups with totally contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings yet claiming Christians all having Sunday Schools!

So which Sunday School are you referring people to go now is it the one organized by Catholic, Anglican, CAC, Cele, Deeper, Redeem, MFM, Methodist Foursquare e.t.c?

I grew up as a Muslim and i know that Christendom churches teaches contradicting things!

Please just say you don't know how to defend the erroneous doctrines your Pastors taught you in their absence, there is nothing to be ashamed of in that!

Are you part of CHRISTENDOM CHURCHES or sorry CHRISTENDOM CONGREGATIONS since you don't use CHURCHES?

achorladey:
When you see words like this........."Hence, whether our hope is heavenly or earthly",............ in the WATCHTOWER.........

How many HOPE is IT?

Here is another...............Christians living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES.

How many HOPE is IT?

Its all in the WATCHTOWER.

"EVERLASTING LIFE"!

Adam missed it but his obedient descendants will have it!

Just ONE HOPE!

achorladey:
Are you part of CHRISTENDOM CHURCHES or sorry CHRISTENDOM CONGREGATIONS since you don't use CHURCHES?

Anyhow you put it, but take note that none of the JWs referred Emusan to their Kingdom Halls, Publications or website.

They were fully competent and completely equipped to defend their beliefs from the Bible, that's why i'm concerned when Emusan keep shouting "Sunday School"

Maximus69:
"EVERLASTING LIFE"!
Adam missed it but his obedient descendants will have it!
Just ONE HOPE!

Thank you,

achorladey:
Thank you,

Jehovah's Witnesses are Jesus' followers going about from house to house preaching and teaching according to Jesus' command.

Anywhere they meet an interested person who asked them "Why did your leader mentioned TWO different destinations for righteous people?" Matthew 5:3, 5

They should be fully competent and completely equipped to handle God's word aright! 2Timothy 3:17

So if you're now arguing against their explanation on the issue of some going to heaven and some living on earth, it simply means you're indirectly questioning the authenticity of Jesus as God's son!

Because he said so NOT Jehovah's Witnesses, they only made themselves available to explain what Jesus meant!

Mr achorladey, you're highly welcome!

Emusan:
With evidence thus far, 1914 is a hoax Christ has not come!

Coming from a deluded fellow who claimed first ressurection is when Jesus comes and caught away the saints , Yet Jesus will still raise The already ressurected saints again a second time at the general ressurection. Makes you question his sanity

If the only thing u gain on this thread is that ressurection is important for all whom will reign with Christ a thousand years. It will do you much good.

Maximus69:
"EVERLASTING LIFE"!

Adam missed it but his obedient descendants will have it!

Just ONE HOPE!

Jah bless you.

Maximus69:
Please Mr Emusan, if the FIRST RESURRECTION means catching away of the saints (good ones) for the event of AntiChrist.
Does that mean the good have been resurrected?
Because your second sentence somehow seems confusing.
WHY?
The saints (righteous) have been resurrected and taken away, so it means the second resurrection should be pure for only the wicked and not for both the good and the wicked again, since all the good ones have been resurrected during the first resurrection.
Please i'll wish you to clarify that!

Jah bless you brother . He is highly deluded .

Emusan:
You perfectly understand the thing....

Imagine, we're in Christ presence when people supposed to be resurrecting instantly but at the same time people are still left asleep in the grave.

If you don't understand something ask.


Ressurection to heaven as a spirit being. Not ressurection of their bodies, it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body. Even Jesus the first to experience this kind of ressurection wasn't raised with his former body, that he had to materialize with different faces to be visible. Mary even called him a gardener .

achorladey:
Thank you for eventually accepting JWs BELIEVE in TWO HOPES for CHRISTIANS

Acholardey believed same. As evidence by that quote.

even WHEN the scriptures states CLEARLY ONE.

' Irrespective of their destination ( heaven or earth ' - acholardey

Barristter07:
Coming from a deluded fellow who claimed first ressurection is when Jesus comes and caught away the saints , Yet Jesus will still raise The already ressurected saints again a second time at the general ressurection. Makes you question his sanity

If the only thing u gain on this thread is that ressurection is important for all whom will reign with Christ a thousand years. It will do you much good.

Maximus69:
Please Mr Emusan, if the FIRST RESURRECTION means catching away of the saints (good ones) for the event of AntiChrist.
Does that mean the good have been resurrected?
Because your second sentence somehow seems confusing.
WHY?
The saints (righteous) have been resurrected and taken away, so it means the second resurrection should be pure for only the wicked and not for both the good and the wicked again, since all the good ones have been resurrected during the first resurrection.
Please i'll wish you to clarify that!

That one na case lol . but look again:

he even said the wicked will be raised for final judgement , the same person believed they are already judged to hell when they die. In essence , it means there was an ERROR / MISTAKE in the first judgement , seeking an appeal through the second judgement that's why I call Emusan a comedian

achorladey:
Thank you!

The point below simply means

the GB of JWs and those EATING THE EMBLEMS at the MEMORIAL of christ death(which the JWS see as the ANOINTED ONES) get RESURRECTION in twinkling of an eye UPON DEATH while those still ALIVE wait for THEIR TIME TO DIE, the reason you see THEM trying hard to HANG on to Revelation 20:6. Should they decide to drop REV 20:6 they know their CHRIST INVISIBLE PRESENCE comes to NOTHING and their BELIEFs concerning 1 Thessa comes to NONSENSE.

Therefore rephrasing point 6 it becomes

"6. Which means as some JWs will die some will be quickly resurrected( aka THE BORN AGAINS/ THE Governing body/ THE ANOINTED JWS) while the rest will be left ASLEEP in the grave (THE GREAT CROWD OF OTHER SHEEP or NON ANOINTED JWS)...."

Does that mean that scripture expose you as a fraudster ?

Barristter07:
If you don't understand something ask.


Ressurection to heaven as a spirit being. Not ressurection of their bodies, it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body. Even Jesus the first to experience this kind of ressurection wasn't raised with his former body, that he had to materialize with different faces to be visible. Mary even called him a gardener .

Perfect knock out for their Jesus was raised in physical body SCAM.
Thank you my brother.

Janosky , Barristter07 , Maximus69

Kindly read the below and see where the word second coming led this guys

https://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-first-second.html

Very hilarious .

Jozzy4:
Janosky , Barristter07 , Maximus69

Kindly read the below and see where the word second coming led this guys

https://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-first-second.html

Very hilarious .

Their stupidity becomes so obvious when they're trying to condemn what Jehovah has approved!

Frustration comes when someone is battling to refute what is obvious or when striving bitterly to establish what is untrue.

That's why i keep telling them to go out there and meet people IN THEIR HOMES if they're sure of themselves!

Jozzy4:
Does that mean that scripture expose you as a fraudster ?

It tells me .............."THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH........................(Jozzy4, 2020)

#they won't be in sleeping mode# #there must be death#

achorladey:
It tells me .............."THEY WON'T NEED TO SLEEP OR BE IN A SLEEPING MODE BEFORE THEY ARE RESSURECTED . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT DIE, TO EXPERIENCE RESURRECTION , THERE MUST BE DEATH........................(Jozzy4, 2020)

#they won't be in sleeping mode# #there must be death#

If you agree with this explanation, try to console your naughty churchgoer friend Emusan and tell him to embrace the fact, but if you disagree then present a better interpretation of the scriptures instead of all these hide and seek game!

Jozzy4:
Acholardey believed same. As evidence by that quote.



' Irrespective of their destination ( heaven or earth ' - acholardey

TWO DESTINATION and TWO HOPES you mean to SAY abi? Your brother can't even answer the question raised in the WATCHTOWER



Here it is AGAIN


What TWO HOPES are to be found AMONG CHRISTIANS TODAY, and why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

2 Christians living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES. The remaining members of the “little flock” of anointed Christians have the hope of immortal life in heaven as kings and priests with Christ in his Kingdom. (Luke 12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10) The far more numerous “great crowd” of “other sheep” share the hope of living forever on a paradise earth as subjects of the Messianic Kingdom. (Rev. 7:9, 10; John 10:16) The OTHER SHEEP should NEVER forget that their SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers” still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40) The anointed will enter into their reward, but the hope of the other sheep will just as certainly be fulfilled. (Read Hebrews 11:39, 40.) First, let us examine the hope set before the anointed.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012205


To show you and THE organization loves DIVERTING the SCRIPTURES they CAN'T quote Titus here neither Ephesians 4:4 was CITED in this particular PARAGRAPH

and please look at the QUESTION for the PARAGRAPH.....why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

Oga Jozzy4 does that RING A BELL? Are we STILL talking ABOUT one HOPE or TWO HOPES? Hahahaha

and they WENT FURTHER BY STATING this.......

The OTHER SHEEP(other NON ANOINTED Jws) should NEVER FORGET that their salvation( THEIR HOPE OF EVERLASTING LIFE) depends on their active support of CHRIST’S anointed “brothers”(THOSE WHO HOPE to GO TO Heaven according to JWS) still on earth.

Yet Jozzy4 will comeback and tell they both have ONE HOPE.

Well what do I KNOW, according to Jozzy4 I am a FRAUDSTER hahahahahaha.

achorladey:
TWO DESTINATION and TWO HOPES you mean to SAY abi? Your brother can't even answer the question raised in the WATCHTOWER



Here it is AGAIN


What TWO HOPES are to be found AMONG CHRISTIANS TODAY, and why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

2 Christians living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES. The remaining members of the “little flock” of anointed Christians have the hope of immortal life in heaven as kings and priests with Christ in his Kingdom. (Luke 12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10) The far more numerous “great crowd” of “other sheep” share the hope of living forever on a paradise earth as subjects of the Messianic Kingdom. (Rev. 7:9, 10; John 10:16) The OTHER SHEEP should NEVER forget that their SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers” still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40) The anointed will enter into their reward, but the hope of the other sheep will just as certainly be fulfilled. (Read Hebrews 11:39, 40.) First, let us examine the hope set before the anointed.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012205


To show you and THE organization loves DIVERTING the SCRIPTURES they CAN'T quote Titus here neither Ephesians 4:4 was CITED in this particular PARAGRAPH

and please look at the QUESTION for the PARAGRAPH.....why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

Oga Jozzy4 does that RING A BELL? Are we STILL talking ABOUT one HOPE or TWO HOPES? Hahahaha

and they WENT FURTHER BY STATING this.......

The OTHER SHEEP(other NON ANOINTED Jws) should NEVER FORGET that their salvation( THEIR HOPE OF EVERLASTING LIFE) depends on their active support of CHRIST’S anointed “brothers”(THOSE WHO HOPE to GO TO Heaven according to JWS) still on earth.

Yet Jozzy4 will comeback and tell they both have ONE HOPE.

Well what do I KNOW, I am a FRAUDSTER hahahahahaha.

' Irrespective of their DESTINATION ( HEAVEN OR EARTH ' - achorladey

You are both saying the same thing.

Maximus69:
If you agree with this explanation, try to console your naughty churchgoer friend Emusan and tell him to embrace the fact, but if you disagree then present a better interpretation of the scriptures instead of all these hide and seek game!

Agree with WHAT? You read and can't even understand what is contained in there. You want him to EMBRACE speculation and assumptions like the....... POSSIBLY, MAYBE, CANNOT DIRECTLY CONFIRM, IT SEEMS.......

Jozzy4:
' Irrespective of their DESTINATION ( HEAVEN OR EARTH ' - achorladey

You are both saying the same thing.

Love where I push you reach. Hahahahaha at least you have seen the motive I join the thread. You have the opportunity to ponder over all that have been said whenever you have the time.

I love repeating this part of your post U NO WELL........please don't read this. Hahahahaha

achorladey:
Agree with WHAT? You read and can't even understand what is contained in there. You want him to EMBRACE speculation and assumptions like the....... POSSIBLY, MAYBE, CANNOT DIRECTLY CONFIRM, IT SEEMS.......

Isn't it funny that the guy that mess you up this way don't even believe in the Bible as Gods word ?

achorladey:
Love where I push you reach. Hahahahaha at least you have seen the motive I join the thread. You have the opportunity to ponder over all that have been said whenever you have the time.

I love repeating this part of your post U NO WELL........please don't read this. Hahahahaha

Yeah that your post admitting two destination will forever haunt you

Jozzy4:
Isn't it funny that the guy that mess you up this way don't even believe in the Bible as Gods word ?

Can you please tell me the GUYS NAME? Hahahahaha those TWO HOPES for CHRISTIANS when the Scriptures states ONE is not GOING anywhere.

achorladey:
Love where I push you reach. Hahahahaha at least you have seen the motive I join the thread. You have the opportunity to ponder over all that have been said whenever you have the time.

I love repeating this part of your post U NO WELL........please don't read this. Hahahahaha

Also ponder over the saying that Christ will come and catch away all the saints as first resurrection , and will again ressurect them for the second time in the general/second resurrection of Saints and unrighteous.



Also ponder over the fact that there was a mistake/ ERROR in the first hellfire judgement so the wicked would have to be raised and Judged again in the final judgement to determine their destination .

Alot of things for you to learn so far man