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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 5:30pm On Mar 13, 2020*. Modified: 5:58pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
They're sending trolls after us to change the narrative from a simple question of Did you pay xtremecr8 for designing the logo of your 125th Year anniversary logo? Big brands don't kill small brands.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by ademolajubril: 5:31pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
This is sad as a feeling for an entrepreneurship....I make money doing simple task online and legitimately get paid with withdrawal proof... Check my profile to get started right away |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 5:35pm On Mar 13, 2020*. Modified: 6:45pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
We do not deserve to be treated this way after all the Labour and resources we put in. They have time and resources to influence trolls to come after us and cyber-bully us but can't even edit their information on the internet that states that they are founded in 1979.We hope they will rectify this. We are not your enemy First Bank so we don't deserve this kind of ill treatment.We are small but not unreasonable. We just want to get paid for our legitimate hardwork of designing the logo of your 125th Year anniversary.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 5:38pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
They want to kill us because we are a small brand. Please we need all your help and support as men and women of conscience in this land to wade in. We gave our best to that design and big brand First Bank has not paid us a dime. Our business has been severely affected negatively because we have not been paid a dime for designing the logo of big brand First Bank for its 125th Year anniversary logo. All effort to make them pay us has been met with one delay tactics or the other before we cried out now. Their next game is to send trolls after us to bully us online. We just want to be paid for our hardwork so we won't close job and be able to pay our employees whose families are suffering.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by MZrapper(f): 5:38pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
May God punish Firstbank for cheating these innocent people and even foolishly creating new monikers to change the narratives. I am done with that useless bank. Bloody cheaters. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by MZrapper(f): 5:41pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
TheGbemisola:Shame on you and your miserable bank. Pay him for his service. Useless scammers. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Ameboperoo(m): 5:48pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
From what I can see, it's like the op was given some printing job to do and FBN pulled out the logo from the iPads the op printed and started using it without paying for the logo even though, the payment was made for the printing of the iPads. Now, the op sees the logo he design for the iPad being used by FBN and felt he should be paid for the logo separately. Even though the op is not coming out clear on this. If my assumption is true, what is the legal implications for both of the parties? Lawyers in the house. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Greenarrow01(m): 7:29pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
Ameboperoo:That was clearly what I said in my earlier post.. And op didn't talk about it. Its obvious they took the logo from the iPad job. If you are in. Ops shoe. You are supposed to meet the legal dept to rectify it They clearly wanna negotiate, if not they would have sent police men to him or even called him out. Op should meet the legal dept. They can reach a fine figure.. Its as simple as that. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by TheGbemisola: 7:50pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
So someone sat down and Fabricated all these lies all in the name of Clout. The internet is a Strong place so please stop filling it with lies. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Martial2: 7:55pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
xtremecr8:Obviously this is a fake news, but instead of making it obvious you decided to chase clout with it, this is very bad and you are a bad liar |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by MZrapper(f): 7:58pm On Mar 13, 2020*. Modified: 1:49am On Mar 14, 2020 |
TheGbemisola: Martial2:The fact that you two dingbats had to make use of a dormant and new moniker means you people are bloody scammers. Be ready to lose more customers. Bastards. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Ghostpr(m): 8:36pm On Mar 13, 2020 |
You keep trying to appeal to public sympathy by cooking up lies that’s wrong, how do you make a claim without no proof ?? Are we all that ignorant to believe you ?? must you lie against a big brand to attract attention to yours??, First bank should sue you guys already. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:35pm On Mar 13, 2020*. Modified: 4:35am On Mar 14, 2020 |
Ghostpr:You are the individual behind the multiple monikers sir. You all write alike including Posaze5 and obviously doing same thing advertised and published on your website; "target those who influence your customers,connect with major social media influencers, build relationships with top bloggers etc ".Hmmm,they don't want to pay us for our legitimate hardwork but people like you enjoy cosy relationship with them and get paid to stand truth on its head. Since you all got registered on nairaland, this thread is the only one you all have ever posted on. We will not engage in indecency because we are not on a smear campaign against First Bank. Use your good office and PR connection with the top management to tell them to pay us instead of this online bullying. This online bullying won't work sir. Everyone of you doing this dirty job are putting your future in jeopardy because if you sow injustice or support injustice, you will reap injustice in your life. The devil will make sure you use the money they paid you to treat one setback like sickness or the other. So don't allow them destroy your life. Use your PR connection as a force for good. Here's your profile and the job you do for organization. Sending trolls after us won't work sir.We have been severally told to hire spinners like you but we insisted against that route because we don't lie, cheat or spin the truth like you and your clients do. Sadly,your job description is immoral , you get paid to lie and fight the truth and call it PR Job. You are sowing in the wind and will reap disaster up on disaster in your life if you don't stop this kind of job. Tell them to pay us for our hardwork.We don't deserve to be killed by big brand First Bank because we did a job for them. They should please pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo and stop wasting resources on trolls bullying us online.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:03am On Mar 14, 2020*. Modified: 1:20am On Mar 14, 2020 |
We worked hard, toiled day and night to produce First Bank's 125th Year Anniversary logo, they didn't pay us,we demanded to be paid for our hardwork and instead of paying us,they are grandstanding while still using the product of our sweat and labour , now trolls and people who work for them like Mr Jide Aboderin, a silverspoon and grandson of the late Punch newspaper founder, are bullying us online. We plead with you all to come to our aid. Please don't allow big brand First Bank to kill us. We are small brand but not unreasonable. We need you all men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and help us beg Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and her other top management members of big brand First Bank to pay us. Please don't allow them to kill us. They still used our logo we created for them today. They're doing these things because they're a big brand.That is the same logo we created displayed over their corporate headquarters building in Marina,Lagos. Please don't allow them to kill our creativity and Nigeria's creativity industry.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:15am On Mar 14, 2020 |
AbiBuruji722:Amen. Thank you sir. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:35am On Mar 14, 2020 |
MZrapper:Thank you ma. We know that there are still men and women of conscience in this land and we are grateful to God and you all for standing by us during this time. May you and any member of your family not go through what we have suffered in the hands of these people just for requesting them to pay us for a job we did with all our heart and might. They are very cunny in their dealings and they behave like people with a dead conscience.Just imagine the extent they could go just to cheat us. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by opportunities12: 4:16am On Mar 14, 2020 |
I empathize with you on this, but why not employ the service of a lawyer to help you fight this out? |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by dottozil: 8:11am On Mar 14, 2020*. Modified: 8:42am On Mar 14, 2020 |
TheGbemisola:Pls which aspect in his story is a lie? Is it the fact that first bank paid you and your colleagues to come and troll that innocent soul? Or the fact that your account is new. It is very obvious that you are working for first bank, all you and your colleagues kept saying is that everything he said is a lie, none of you have actually come out and explain your employers side of the story. What goes around comes around |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by MizMyColi(f): 8:31am On Mar 14, 2020*. Modified: 8:00am On Mar 16, 2020 |
Martial2:Comon Shut Up Your So it's fake news and he had to pay for it to feature as an ad on Nairaland frontpage. First bank should do the right thing. No one will want to do business with someone who has any history of being fraudulent. First Bank PR people are either being senseless or just plain stupid. You might be looking at this like something small till it blows in your faces. @xtremecre8, I don't advise you to play dirty. However, gather your facts and be ready to deal with this elephant even though you are a mice to it. You and your fellow mice can still block its trunk. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by dottozil: 8:40am On Mar 14, 2020 |
xtremecr8:Hello sir, I have read everything from page one to this present page and this is what I have to say. Have they stated it clearly that they weren't going to pay you? They ask you to go see there legal department and you mentioned that can they act in such a way to the big brands like CNN, I want you to know that you are not yet CNN and you have proven that my not getting a legally signed contract cos that's what the big brands would do so please go listen to what they have to say and bring us feedback Did they pay you for the iPads? Whilst it is clear that they are trying to cheat you, majority of the people that has contributed to this sad event has asked you to visit there legal department and let us know what they have to say you, disregarding such suggestions will only make it difficult for you to see people who are willing to help you or is there something you know that we don't? It seems the motive of you coming here on NL is to look for people who will help you stage a protest or people who will help you beg or tweet and retweet until someone high up there sees it and do something because all you kept saying is "help me beg first bank to pay us" my dear nobody will beg anybody for you cos we don't really know where the truth lies only the court can decide. To first bank and her allies I must say A very big SHAME ON YOU. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by MZrapper(f): 8:55am On Mar 14, 2020 |
God must definitely punish first bank for what they are making innocent people go through. Useless bank with useless staffs. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by SocialJustice: 11:42am On Mar 14, 2020 |
xtremecr8:Keep fighting foolishly, when your money finish, you go rest. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by TheStarsAlign: 2:53pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
SHAME! What would it take to write just 250k cheque with a "Sorry for the stress" note. It won't cost the ELEPHANT anything but when impunity and lawlessness reign in a land, this type of shit is what you see often. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by jamesid29(m): 6:56pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
@OP, sir I have been following this topic from page one and watched the video you posted. From everything that has been said, I believe your motivation is not as nobles as you're trying to make it sound and what you are doing is cyber bullying. To be clear sir, I believe First bank dropped the ball by using your logo massively before finalizing pricing and payment and are trying to cover their exposure by going through legal but rather than going through the proper channels like issuing a cease and desist and officially suing them to court where all the facts of case can be examined and everyone can tender their own side of the story, you have brought the case online to try them in the court of public opinion where sentiments and he said she said is mostly all that matters. Because of the power dynamics at play(them being a big company and you being a small company), you have essentially removed their ability to defend themselves because no matter what they do, if they try to engage you online, public sympathy will always be against them. Sir with respect, your excuses for not going the legal route first don't really hold water. We have seen people with far less resources than you have stood up against bigger names. If you really want to standup for your right, do it the right way. The fact that you don't even want to meet their legal team to hear what they want to say, shows you might not be totally upfront with your side of the story. So far all you have been doing is trying to garner public outcry to twist firstbanks arm to giving into your demands without giving us any real evidence other than a mail from them referring you to their legal department. You have also dragged anyone who dares speak in favor of firstbank as a trolls of evil masters even if what some of them has no sign of trolling. You are using the #bigbrandsdontkillsmallbrands hashtag,hoping it will catch on, go viral and force First bank to give into your demands, whether you are also in the wrong or not. Again sir,what you are doing is cyber bullying. You know first Bank has an image to protect and you are using that against them. From your story, this is what we know (I stand to be corrected) a) You created a logo for first bank's 125th anniversary(Maybe it was put on only the iPad covers you made for them or maybe you also sent the logo on its own to them, that is still unclear atleast to me). b) First bank is using said logo on all their promotional items. c) First bank offered to pay you the same amount you were paid for a similar service in 2016. d) You were not able to reach an agreement and firstbank referred you to their legal department. What we do not know a)Is there any clause in your original vendors contract that gives First bank the exclusive rights to all portions of any service you render to them, whether explicitly given or not? b) Is there any clause in your vendors contract that puts a cap on the amount First bank would pay you for certain types of services and this clause has not been updated. c) Did you send the logo to firstbank with a gentleman's understanding that they can go ahead and use the logo and at a later time,you would settle the naira value for the logo. Problem now is, they have gone ahead to use the logo on a lot of their promotional materials but what they think is a fair price for the logo is not agreeable to you? These are things we are not privy to. First Bank might be a big bad evil empire but your online campaign to drag them without even trying to engage them in a place where they can defend themselves makes you as much of a bully as them sir. If you have tried the legal route and they use their might against you, and then you come online with facts and evidence as your last resort to get justice, we will understand. So sir let call this what it is. It's not you trying to help others learn or trying to do a win win situation for all sides... This is a smear campaign. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:01pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
jamesid29:This is obviously the same script albeit said without the initial obtrusiveness of the comrade professional PR agents doing the bullying as trolls and using different monikers and perhaps now this moniker now because it's the same thing being said sir. The only thing that keeps changing are the monikers sir,especially having realized the futility in bullying us and the Grace of God to expose them all right from Mr Jide Aboderin and others. Against the advice we have recieved in private and public,we wonn't use spinners, PR agents,bloggers,social media influencers and all because we want to hold ourselves to public scrutiny and transparency.We don't lie, unlike you and the faceless trolls that were unleashed on us after exposing the relationship between Jide Aboderin and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney, we have a face, name, verifiable contact to our campaign and if you want to find out sir, please ask them, the big brand First Bank, to provide evidence that we have been paid or if we have been paid for designing the logo of big brand First Bank for its 125th Year anniversary. That is the evidence you need to demand from the sponsors of the trolls. We have never gone beyond a demand for a legitimate pay so we will continue to beg men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and help us beg them to pay us.It is a legitimate demand so we won't die from hunger. We will not be goaded into litigation because of the reality on ground except if you want to raise doubts about our citizenship as Nigerians too sir. We will remain resolute and grateful to many others who are heeding our call to speak up if you have been cheated like us too. The big brand First Bank is still using this same logo, didn't pay us and have not provided evidence that we have been paid. Big brands don't kill small brands, they nurture them. They don't pay people to troll and bully small brands online.
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| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Niseed(m): 8:25pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
How much is First Bank Owing you for this logo? |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:32pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
Niseed:Thank you sir. They have our bill but have refused to pay us. In the next few hours you will see our new video of our exclusive interview sir. That's why we have remained grateful to all those who have listened to our cry and we give God the glory. We couldn't have gone this far without God's support and that of men and women of conscience in this land. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 9:27pm On Mar 14, 2020*. Modified: 1:03am On Mar 15, 2020 |
We toiled to create that logo for big brand First Bank, we demanded to be paid but they didn't pay us and when we cried out, trolls like Jide Aboderin with relationship with Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and First Bank started bullying us online,different monikers, bloggers, Social media influencers were unleashed on us and called us names. We really suffered in their hands for demanding payment for our hardwork but God sent us helpers. Thank you Saharareporters. We are grateful to you all. Your editors, crew and journalists who published our plea. We begged Nigerians to help us beg big brand First Bank and Saharareporters gave us a listening ear. We didn't pay a dime to Saharareporters, they just listened to us, our cry and published the news and our interview. God bless you all for helping us to get our voice heard. We knew we couldn't match Big brand First Bank resources for resources but you raised up helpers for us. All we desire and wanted is to get paid for our hardwork of designing their 125th Year anniversary logo. Despite all the trolls and bullying, we limited our campaign within limits of decency, we cried, prayed and fasted and God raised up helpers for us. Even here on nairaland, we didn't beg the moderators to take us to front page because we just want to be heard, play fair and truthfully. We still need your support to help us beg them to pay us. Big brands don't kill small brands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by jamesid29(m): 2:05am On Mar 15, 2020 |
xtremecr8:Clearly sir, you are on a war path to defame anyone who questions your narrative in anyway. I just watched your interview with Sahara tv and thankfully there was some new information in it. You said you had your lawyer send them a couple of letters and in two instances they replied. That's great cos that shows a paper trail but throughout this thread, you never mentioned you engaged any lawyer and you have not showed any of those letters even till this moment and their reply(or atleast I missed where you did that). Secondly you mentioned they made light of your design during negotiation but went ahead to use it widely. I believe that's a major reason why you have been dragging Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney through the mud. I don't know who she is and she might very well be a bad person but what she did is a classic Nigerian negotiation technique when trying to get a better deal and it's wrong to vilify her for that, especially since most of us are guilty of it. We tell the tomato seller " madam, shey na these small tomatoes wey full everywhere you won sell for 400 naira, abeg dis thing no pass 150" even if it's really not small , or we tell the mechanic " wetin you dey do sef wey u won collect 6k, no be ordinary to change oil and knack iron for dis place make the engine head correct" but of course if na just to knock iron we won't have gone to the mechanic in the first place. Making mrs Folake into the ice queen because she used a tactic that you most likely also use in your daily life to get a better deal is wrong. You have similarly been dragging mr jide aboderin just because he spoke out in favor of firstbank and he is from an influential family. I don't know what he wrote on Twitter or any other media but I read what what he wrote here and in no way did he attack you or cross any lines, he was just defending a business partner just the same way others here have defended you, which is to be expected. You simply decided to single him out and have been dragging his name all through this thread for only one reason, his family name. Again sir, that is cyber bullying... We all know it's no cake walk to run a business in Nigeria. I have been cheated, been threatened with court case ,been shortchanged by clients and I have learnt and still learning how to protect myself. In as much as I know how it feels to be shortchanged, I still don't want my children to grow up in a world where people are being crucified by mob action and public opinion without the need for actual evidence. A world Where the other side is not given a fair chance to defend itself and public sentiment is the judge, jury and executioner. It's as good as shouting thief in the market and rather than taking the person to the police station, we burn them right there on the spot. It's true our justice system is broken but the court of public opinion is no replacement for it. The court of public opinion should be only a safe guard against powerful people influencing justice by putting millions of eyes on a case as it goes through the judicial system. Dozens of times people have asked you to take them to court or at the very least meet with their legal team to hear what they have to say and even some suggested taking a recorder. The legal team will definitely not threaten you when they know they are been recorded. But so far, all you have been doing sir is to illicit an "us versus them" sentiment even with the latest video and to go after anyone who questions your narrative by calling them trolls and minions of fbn. So once again sir, I'm just calling it as I see it. This is not you seeking for justice, this is a smear campaign. And sir, using God's name doesn't automatically give you the moral high ground. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:59am On Mar 15, 2020 |
jamesid29:Apologies for quoting this lengthy explanation. We are small not unreasonable, arrogant and stubborn to facts. We had to listen to advice well before this campaign and explore the option of getting a lawyer to follow up with the big brand as far back as August last year so the idea to engage a lawyer had been suggested to us well before now but we chose to limit it especially when we saw the handwriting on the wall and when reminded if we have money for 15 years court case. We know we don't have money for 15 years court case so our resort to begging men and women of conscience in this land to wade in is legitimate and sincere. If truly you have been cheated and still make excuses for the likes of Mr Jide Aboderin who trolled , bullied and perhaps still bullying us with a different moniker while you still claim not to have read his comments that we posted it's screenshot on this thread , then it's safe to guess you are holding brief for him sir. We have maintained no annonymity, our face, name, contacts and facts have been put out there and we are happy that people can sincerely scrutinize us against the claims of anonymous monikers trolling us. We are still not going outside the boundary of decency and so with a heart filled with gratitude to God and our helpers, we beg big brand First Bank not to kill us. We just want to get paid for designing the 125th Anniversary logo of big brand First Bank. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by jamesid29(m): 12:29pm On Mar 15, 2020*. Modified: 12:57pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
xtremecr8:Where in his write-up did he bully you? How are you certain he is the one behind the other monikers you claim to be trolling you? Finally, I read the Twitter screenshot and what he asked there are legitimate questions not too different from the one I asked in the things we do not know section of my original write up. It's funny sir that you have intentionally not tried to engage any of these questions and many others like it that have been posted by other users. So once again sir, the only reason you have singled him out and have been dragging him for several pages now is because of his family name and you have been using that against him (which is a form of bullying). I don't know who Mr jide is and I never even knew who owned punch newspaper until you made it known on this thread but what I do know is that, this world we are building, where someone can quickly run online, accuse people of wrong doing without concrete proof and have public sentiment become judge jury and executioner, is not a world I want to leave for my children. |
| Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Greenarrow01(m): 1:37pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
jamesid29:Sir you are hundred percent correct. I dont know the stupid person sending trolls against the man. Also.. It can be that the man created those trolls account himself cos heaven knows that I doubt if firstbank will go this cheap way of sensing trolls against this kinda tiny business in relation to their mega empire. Whatever this man is owing them is def. No more than 10m, first bank can easily pay this money without blinking .also let's not forget that the people this man is calling are at the top top top tier of FBN. I know how much a bank manager takes home yearly, how busy they are and I doubt if they will send trolls against this man, They will rather send twitter influencers. Also I have noticed something with big brands, they dont always go the public way, I mean they dont bring their stuffs to twitter to sway public opinion, example is case of gtbank vs innoson Amcon issues with banks,,, glo vs Mtn debt These are monies running into billions and yet they are not looking for public sympathy Why then will first bank send cheap nairaland accounts after this man because of less than 10million. Its very very likely that the woman he is accusing takes home close to 20m yearly. Haba bro, levels dey na The question this man shoukd answer is that. why hasn't he gone to their legal dept after their invitations I dont work for first bank I am only concern cos there was a time I had issue similar to this. I had to wait for 6 months to get my money. |
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