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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 7:09am On Mar 31, 2020*

TheChameleon:
Being tribalistic at 5.00am shows a lack of productivity and no clear direction in life.

Grow up. At 40 years old, you should have.

Going for my morning jog. Find something productive to do too.

You should read to understand and assimilate.. but no, you defence mechanism is geared towards a made up mindset of something cynical which obviously made you not see it. if you see tribalism in that comment, then you just might be the tribalistic person and have a lot inside you which might have prompted your jogging.

Thank you for according me 40, an IQ of 40 at my age is a compliment.. one wonders how the poverty insult got into the discuss, which only goes to show you are aggrieved the attack was dispelled before the thread takes a notion which is not common with a region like helinues tried to.

Do have a wonderful day.. happy isolation.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Kingspin(m): 7:19am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
The writer was indeed right.. East is known for ethnic and tribal jingoism

Read again the writer report on East. That is a mass movement which has nothing to do with party A or B, politics or religion colouration. When the people want to move they do it massively. Meaning the East can be ethnic but flexible in nature.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 7:21am On Mar 31, 2020

Kingspin:
Read again the writer report on East. That is a mass movement which has nothing to do with party A or B, politics or religion colouration. When the people want to move they do it massively. Meaning the East can be ethnic but flexible in nature.

There is no flexibility with East if we are to go by this report. Putting all your eggs in one basket is not flexibility but Rigidity

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Kingspin(m): 7:30am On Mar 31, 2020*

helinues:
There is no flexibility with East if we are to go by this report. Putting all your eggs in one basket is not flexibility but Rigidity

Go back and read the writer report well. The writer uses the Biafra scenario to ascertain his view(movement).

Putting what and what in a basket?

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by HMarshal(m): 7:40am On Mar 31, 2020

Esseite:
Ethnicity in that topic context is wrong... and only meant tribalism, which is totally different from what you elaborated on the article.

Could have better been described as Equity and justice drives the East..

The examples you listed there of various "Easterners" (sarowiwa, biafra war, adaka boro) it was not based on tribalism, but wanted equity and fairness to include their region, space, area, location etc...

Am from the East fam,yes the above mentioned figures for for equity & fairness to include thier region but still the East is riddled with tribalisim .it's been imbed in this new generations blood by thier ancestors over time ,let's stop hiding it under the periscope of unity,there r beta ways to unite.not this.infact the tribalisim in the East is so hot that it melts into the Heart of thier learned ones.thet succum because the don't want to be outcasts to thier state of origin.inthe end, every one will eventually go back to his & in every setting, it's the the school of tot wit the more number to ppl that rules...the op is point on wit his analysis cos twas never hidden

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Herdsmen: 7:48am On Mar 31, 2020

I’ve always said this..

The author is a Yoruba man.. .. they can change narratives

See the boy helinues.. Yoruba boy that will jump on a thread with igbos on his lungs, kidney brain

Yoruba will continue dia dick measuring with your igbos,while the great Igbo nation will keep soaring
Igbos have no competitors but themselves
They will deny it online .. but deep down ..
They know the this truth

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 7:48am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
The writer was indeed right.. East are known for ethnic and tribal jingoism

I now fully agree that you don't read any post on nairaland.

You only read headline and rush to comment.

Better go and get educated soundly...

What a reply different from the write up.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 7:49am On Mar 31, 2020

Esseite:
You really dont read..

At all

He doesn't read anything even two letter words.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 7:50am On Mar 31, 2020

MelesZenawi:
In now fully agree that you don't read any post on nairaland.

You only read headline and rush to comment.

Better go and get educated soundly...

What a reply different from the write up.

I guess you quote for quoting sake.

Sebi muscle pull catch you for eyes, you did not see what your brother posted that I respond to.

Dansaki to the writer for exposing you people more.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 7:55am On Mar 31, 2020*

HMarshal:
Am from the East fam,yes the above mentioned figures for for equity & fairness to include thier region but still the East is riddled with tribalisim .it's been imbed in this new generations blood by thier ancestors over time ,let's stop hiding it under the periscope of unity,there r beta ways to unite.not this.infact the tribalisim in the East is so hot that it melts into the Heart of thier learned ones.thet succum because the don't want to be outcasts to thier state of origin.inthe end, every one will eventually go back to his & in every setting, it's the the school of tot wit the more number to ppl that rules...the op is point on wit his analysis cos twas never hidden

Yes everyone all have some atom of tribalism in them, it's natural.. but tribalism cannot be common with a people whom trade, learn, interact with other cultures far and wide to make a living majorly..

If you are talking about political tribalism, when you check the elective stats of leaders and votes, you would agree with me tribalism is not even close. what may have prompted the new generation political tribalism can be ascribed to the political imbalance of the country which borders on equity and fairness.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by TheMohican(m): 7:57am On Mar 31, 2020*

sarrki:
gion moves the North, politics moves the West, ethnicity moves the East
Published March 31, 2020

Azuka Onwuka

In summary, one can say that religion drives the North; politics drives the West, while ethnicity drives the East. By the East, one means the Old Eastern Region and the old Mid-Western Region.

The only part of Nigeria where the arrest of a religious leader for disobeying a Federal Government directive can lead to the burning of a police station is the North. And in the North, it will mainly be in the North-East, North-West and a small part of the North-Central. In Northern Nigeria, you dare not toy with Islam in whatever form. The passion for Islam is even higher than what obtains in Saudi Arabia where Islam has its headquarters.

In the North, political differences may hardly cause any quarrels. That is why in the Second Republic, Mallam Aminu Kano, with his People’s Redemption Party, controlled Kano State, the biggest state in the region (which then had Katsina as part of it), at a time Alhaji Shehu Shagari of the National Party of Nigeria was the President of Nigeria. At the same time, the Great Nigeria People’s Party, led by Alhaji Waziri Ibrahim, was in control of the old Borno State (which includes the current Yobe State). That did not create any problem or riot in the North.

Last month, the Emir of Kano, Muhammadu Sanusi II, was deposed and banished by the Government of Kano State. Some feared that it could cause a riot in the Kano and other Northern states, but nothing happened. The reality is that such a thing does not have the capacity to ignite a riot in the North.

If the Oba of Benin or the Obi of Onitsha had been deposed and banished for speaking against poverty, street children, low illiteracy rate and inequality in their domains or because of perceived political differences with the governor, it would have created an uproar in Edo and Anambra states respectively, with other neighbouring states speaking fiercely condemning the governor. In fact, the governor would not even contemplate deposing such a traditional ruler over such seemingly petty issues for fear of the consequences. An extreme action like that could only arise if the traditional leader is accused of a serious criminal offence like robbery, fraud, kidnapping, or any action that is deemed as bringing his office to disrepute.

Similarly, it will be hard to see the North riot over poverty, harsh economy or lack of employment. But it will be easy for the North to riot if there is any action taken against Islam in any part of the world, be it Denmark, Britain, France or the United States.

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In addition, the Boko Haram insurgency, which has its roots in religion, cannot happen in any part of the South. There can be an uprising in the South over ethnic or political issues, but never over religion.

The Middle Belt, which is also part of the North, draws its strength of unity from religion: Christianity. The people of this zone see themselves as united by Christianity in a region dominated by Muslims.

Conversely, when it comes to the Western part of Nigeria, religion can never make it to resort to violence. As I wrote in an August 2012 article entitled, “Religious tolerance: Are the Yoruba Number 1 in the world?”, there may not be any ethnic group or race that is more tolerant than the Yoruba on the issue of religion. Man and wife or twins can be Muslim and Christian and live in peace. A family may have a Muslim father, a Christian mother, a Christian first daughter of a different denomination, an animist first son, an atheist second son, and yet live in peace, with everyone celebrating each religious feast as one family. People can be voted offices irrespective of their religious inclinations. That is why the religious division being created by the Muslim Rights Concern, led by Prof Ishaq Akintola, is dangerous to what the South-West is known for.

However, when it comes to politics, the South-West is least tolerant of dissenting views in Nigeria. That is why the political violence that happened in the First Republic tagged Operation Wetie could not have happened in any other part of Nigeria except the South-West. A Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe from the East can be the presidential candidate of the Nigerian People’s Party while his kinsman Dr Alex Ekwueme is the vice presidential candidate of the NPN under Shagari. Such cannot cause any conflict. It is the same in the North.

In the South-West, there is usually one mainstream party to which every “true Yoruba” or omoluabi is expected to belong. Any other party is seen as the party of saboteurs, and anybody who belongs to it is viewed harshly and is hardly ever forgiven. Anytime a South-West state is not controlled by that mainstream party, all is not seen as being well until that state is brought back to the fold. The unwritten law is that when it comes to politics, all South-West states must be controlled by the mainstream party of the South-West. Anything to the contrary is seen as an aberration.

In the South-East and the South-South, a different scenario plays out. Religion and politics do not make the people draw the lines. What fires them up is more of ethnic loyalty. Within the zones, you can belong to any political party or religion without much crisis. However, when the people feel that their well-being is threatened, they mobilise and resist such. That was what led to the Biafran War in 1967. The people of the Eastern Region, especially the Igbo, felt that their existence was threatened in Nigeria and resisted it. Before it, the uprising for the creation of the Niger Delta Republic, which was started by Isaac Adaka Boro on February 23, 1966 was for the same reason. Boro believed that the Igbo and the Federal Government were dominating the people of Niger Delta.

https://punchng.com/religion-moves-the-north-politics-moves-the-west-ethnicity-moves-the-east/

I found some errors in this write up, for instance, Katsina state was never part of Kano state, it was part of Kaduna.

Secondly, if you read closely what he said, you'd realize that ethnicity drives the Yoruba people, he only drew those links to politics it becomes obvious when he made mention of the 'omoluabi'

3, Ethnicity isn't only what drives the Eastern region, ethnicity is part of it, but not the whole story, communal (family) interests drives the Igbo man, the Igbo man's perception of community has changed alot and now I can say that he perceives the community as his immediate family or cla(a narrower perception) Not necessarily his entire ethnicity.
To further buttress my point on ethnicity in the East, I would draw to the fact that the first mayor of Enugu city was a Fulani man.
This article has flaws.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Mynightmare: 7:59am On Mar 31, 2020

For ur mind you are making sense ?

helinues:
The writer was indeed right.. East are known for ethnic and tribal jingoism

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 7:59am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
I guess you quote for quoting sake.

Sebi muscle pull catch you for eyes, you did not see what your brother posted that I respond to.

Dansaki to the writer for exposing you people more.

After this covid case go and enrol in any community school to be educated again.

Read again let me break it for you

If the Oba of Benin or the Obi of Onitsha had been deposed and banished for speaking against poverty, street children, low illiteracy rate and inequality in their domains or because of perceived political differences with the governor, it would have created an uproar in Edo and Anambra states respectively, with other neighbouring states speaking fiercely condemning the governor. In fact, the governor would not even contemplate deposing such a traditional ruler over such seemingly petty issues for fear of the consequences. An extreme action like that could only arise if the traditional leader is accused of a serious criminal offence like robbery, fraud, kidnapping, or any action that is deemed as bringing his office to disrepute.

However, when it comes to politics, the South-West is least tolerant of dissenting views in Nigeria. That is why the political violence that happened in the First Republic tagged Operation Wetie could not have happened in any other part of Nigeria except the South-West. A Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe from the East can be the presidential candidate of the Nigerian People’s Party while his kinsman Dr Alex Ekwueme is the vice presidential candidate of the NPN under Shagari. Such cannot cause any conflict. It is the same in the North.

In the South-West, there is usually one mainstream party to which every “true Yoruba” or omoluabi is expected to belong. Any other party is seen as the party of saboteurs, and anybody who belongs to it is viewed harshly and is hardly ever forgiven. Anytime a South-West state is not controlled by that mainstream party, all is not seen as being well until that state is brought back to the fold. The unwritten law is that when it comes to politics, all South-West states must be controlled by the mainstream party of the South-West. Anything to the contrary is seen as an aberration.

Read and enrol back to school

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Herdsmen: 8:00am On Mar 31, 2020

MelesZenawi:
In now fully agree that you don't read any post on nairaland.

You only read headline and rush to comment.

Better go and get educated soundly...

What a reply different from the write up.

That boy has Igbo embedded in his brain..

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by TheMohican(m): 8:01am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
The writer was indeed right.. East are known for ethnic and tribal jingoism

So is the West, ethnicity moves the west almost as much as the old Eastern region, of course not to such a great extent as the east however, but if you read where he writer wrote about the omoluabi, you'd see the ethnic undertone in his points, he didn't see the undertone in his own writing.

Infact, ethnicity moves every region in Nigeria, I've lived in Abuja and I've noticed that smaller ethnic groups like igbira often try to blend into the hausa so that they will be more accepted. If ethnicity didn't move the North, then Muslim Yoruba would be greatly accepted, but that isn't exactly the case is it.?

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by HMarshal(m): 8:02am On Mar 31, 2020

Esseite:
Yes everyone all have some atom of tribalism in them, it's natural.. but tribalism cannot be common with a people whom trade, learn, interact with other cultures far and wide to make a living majorly..

If you are talking about political tribalism, when you check the elective stats of leaders and votes, you would agree with me tribalism is not even close. what may have prompted the new generation political tribalism can be ascribed to the political imbalance of the country which borders on equity and fairness.

I wish twas only that bro,leme ask u a question.a honest answer will be perfect.y can't many men from the East marry a lady from the West (Yoruba precisely),without having a devided contentment from his tribesmen? & Wat wuld u call that?

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Herdsmen: 8:06am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
I guess you quote for quoting sake.

Sebi muscle pull catch you for eyes, you did not see what your brother posted that I respond to.

Dansaki to the writer for exposing you people more.

Writer told us Yoruba people are always forced and coerced to follow one human and party..
Like they don’t have mind of their own..

Imagine sophisticators !

See fear make the Yoruba op use ethnicity of igbos .. imagine

Yoruba fear igbos die... the thought of Biafra or igbo President can kill an average Yoruba man

That fear is what making Yoruba shout.. Igbo can’t be president..
The only tribe in Nigeria with that mantra..

Fear and insecurity of Yoruba is based on hatred for igbos.. take igbos away and see Yoruba man grow fat..

Is normal .. even awo insecurities is fear of Igbo presidency or an Igbo nation..

Funny enough they’ve always been used in the contraption against their wish

All hail Jagaban the grand commander of Yoruba land.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 8:07am On Mar 31, 2020

MelesZenawi:
After this covid case go and enrol in any community school to be educated again.

Read again let me break it for you

If the Oba of Benin or the Obi of Onitsha had been deposed and banished for speaking against poverty, street children, low illiteracy rate and inequality in their domains or because of perceived political differences with the governor, it would have created an uproar in Edo and Anambra states respectively, with other neighbouring states speaking fiercely condemning the governor. In fact, the governor would not even contemplate deposing such a traditional ruler over such seemingly petty issues for fear of the consequences. An extreme action like that could only arise if the traditional leader is accused of a serious criminal offence like robbery, fraud, kidnapping, or any action that is deemed as bringing his office to disrepute.

However, when it comes to politics, the South-West is least tolerant of dissenting views in Nigeria. That is why the political violence that happened in the First Republic tagged Operation Wetie could not have happened in any other part of Nigeria except the South-West. A Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe from the East can be the presidential candidate of the Nigerian People’s Party while his kinsman Dr Alex Ekwueme is the vice presidential candidate of the NPN under Shagari. Such cannot cause any conflict. It is the same in the North.

In the South-West, there is usually one mainstream party to which every “true Yoruba” or omoluabi is expected to belong. Any other party is seen as the party of saboteurs, and anybody who belongs to it is viewed harshly and is hardly ever forgiven. Anytime a South-West state is not controlled by that mainstream party, all is not seen as being well until that state is brought back to the fold. The unwritten law is that when it comes to politics, all South-West states must be controlled by the mainstream party of the South-West. Anything to the contrary is seen as an aberration.

Read and enrol back to school

Seeking your irrelevant attention again..

Newspaper stands are opened for catching up.

For the time being, your mentioning is on probation

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by donb06: 8:07am On Mar 31, 2020

HMarshal:
Am from the East fam,yes the above mentioned figures for for equity & fairness to include thier region but still the East is riddled with tribalisim .it's been imbed in this new generations blood by thier ancestors over time ,let's stop hiding it under the periscope of unity,there r beta ways to unite.not this.infact the tribalisim in the East is so hot that it melts into the Heart of thier learned ones.thet succum because the don't want to be outcasts to thier state of origin.inthe end, every one will eventually go back to his & in every setting, it's the the school of tot wit the more number to ppl that rules...the op is point on wit his analysis cos twas never hidden

I think ure made to believe so...... At least in your life time in this country, you must have heard this statement.... IGBOS ARE NOT UNITED this is due to- an Igbo does his things base on who favours him not by MY BROTHER....infact I can boldly say IGBOS LEARNT TRIBALISM AFTER THEY SAW WHAT OTHER TRIBES WERE DOING

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 8:09am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
Seeking your irrelevant attention again..

Newspaper stands are opened for catching up.

For the time being, your mentioning is on probation

Go and enroll back to school.

Stop disgracing us.

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 8:11am On Mar 31, 2020

MelesZenawi:
Go and enroll back to school.

Stop disgracing us.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by HMarshal(m): 8:12am On Mar 31, 2020

donb06:
I think ure made to believe so...... At least in your life time in this country, you must have heard this statement.... IGBOS ARE NOT UNITED this is due to- an Igbo does his things base on who favours him not by MY BROTHER....infact I can boldly say IGBOS LEARNT TRIBALISM AFTER THEY SAW WHAT OTHER TRIBES WERE DOING

Isn't it always easier to blame others for ones bad behaviour?

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Iamgrey5(m): 8:15am On Mar 31, 2020

donb06:
I think ure made to believe so...... At least in your life time in this country, you must have heard this statement.... IGBOS ARE NOT UNITED this is due to- an Igbo does his things base on who favours him not by MY BROTHER....infact I can boldly say IGBOS LEARNT TRIBALISM AFTER THEY SAW WHAT OTHER TRIBES WERE DOING

Really!

Go and read the history of the first republic

Go and read how igbos tried to dominate every ethnic group in Nigeria

Or what do you think really led to the civil war? you think every single thing started from the first coup?

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Gandollaar(f): 8:15am On Mar 31, 2020

helinues:
Fixed for you.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by HMarshal(m): 8:16am On Mar 31, 2020

donb06:
I think ure made to believe so...... At least in your life time in this country, you must have heard this statement.... IGBOS ARE NOT UNITED this is due to- an Igbo does his things base on who favours him not by MY BROTHER....infact I can boldly say IGBOS LEARNT TRIBALISM AFTER THEY SAW WHAT OTHER TRIBES WERE DOING

Look bro,wit all due respect,am done wit this .igbo is the most tribalistic ethnicity in Nigeria.they are brain washed & held to ransome from childhood till marriage age.esp when they are ripe for marriage.even the highly learnerd igbo folks just av to give in after probly trying to enlighten then to no avail1 can't be Superior to the community.God bless us all

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 8:17am On Mar 31, 2020

Iamgrey5:
Really!

Go and read the history of the first republic

Go and read how igbos tried to dominate every ethnic group in Nigeria

Or what do you think really led to the civil war? you think every single thing started from the first coup?

After reading the whole write up.

You came back here with your yoruba logic.

Agitate for your own country kwanu...una no go gree coz Nigeria sweet. Pass pepper according to u guys.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Gandollaar(f): 8:20am On Mar 31, 2020

Kingspin:
Read again the writer report on East. That is a mass movement which has nothing to do with party A or B, politics or religion colouration. When the people want to move they do it massively. Meaning the East can be ethnic but flexible in nature.

Helinues is somehow dense. Let him be pls

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Nobody: 8:20am On Mar 31, 2020

HMarshal:
I wish twas only that bro,leme ask u a question.a honest answer will be perfect.y can't many men from the East marry a lady from the West (Yoruba precisely),without having a devided contentment from his tribesmen? & Wat wuld u call that?

Yes you can, but previous instances and multi ethnic wars has shown quite a lot of families that marriage may not necessarily mean acceptance as it goes beyond the couple in some regions.

If some folks frown at religious differences of the spouse (those who take it extreme), talk more of tribal differences.

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 8:22am On Mar 31, 2020

New lesson I just learned, never reply bad luck people

Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by helinues: 8:23am On Mar 31, 2020

Gandollaar:
Helinues is somehow dense. Let him be pls

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by LivingSage: 8:24am On Mar 31, 2020*

The writer wasn't completely right of South East. Religion still move southeast, they don't want to hear any Religion other than Christianity

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Re: Religion Moves The North, Politics Moves The West, Ethnicity Moves The East by Iamgrey5(m): 8:24am On Mar 31, 2020

MelesZenawi:
Go and enroll back to school.

Stop disgracing us.

Not being able to see one's mistake is the greatest problem a person can have. tbh

The writer said Yorubas prefer to be in one political party as against multiple political parties, but your brother thought he meant Yorubas were tribalistic.

Although, the writer is not totally correct about the Yorubas because no other tribe in Nigeria today allows opposition to trive more the the Yorubas. Yorubas gave PDP a substantial amount of votes in 2014 and 2019 whilst the Apc won by narrow margins.

Same can not be said of North where Apc won by a wide margin and East/ South where PDP won by a very wide margin.

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