ornicus:


Look at this dunce. Four out of five from a set of 65. You want to take a chance on hundreds of thousands of people based on that? You see why you republicans are anti science dolts?

What your god trump is doing is exactly what he promised, running American like a business. Now Americans will all be endangered by a risk taking CEO cowboy who goes by his gut.

Zuorom:

There is nothing to understand here, the only fact in what you posted is that the FDA has approved chloroquine for coronavirus treatment, every other thing you posted is nothing but people's personal opinions, I am sure you can get many other people who agree with this decision. I don't know where you got the idea that someone is forcing the FDA to approve the drug. The FDA didn't say they were forced to do it, if anybody has any evidence that they were forced to do it then let's have the evidence of that.

wirinet:

Are you autistic or just pretending to be? FDA and all medical professionals have stressed that "there are no vaccines or cure for coronavirus as of today", so where did you get the false information that 4 out of 5 patients were successfully treated with chloroquine in France. If it was true France will blow her own trumpet and not wait for Trump or you to blow it for them.
Coronavirus virus has a fatality rate of between 2 - 4%, so 4 out of 5 patients recovering is even above the fatality rate (assuming 1 out of every patient dies (that's an astounding 20% fatality rate). Most people that survived the coronavirus, did without taking any drug, except palliatives to alleviate symptoms and rest. So even if you take chloroquine, agbo, paracetamol or chalk, the fatality rate would not change from the traditional 2 - 4%. I even think chloroquine will worsen the fatality rate, due to adverse side effects of the drug, especially on people who had never taken it.

ornicus:


Do you know what corporate irresponsiblility and recklessness is?

This is what it is. When you force untested unproven solutions in a crisis.

You better get it through your empty skull, only America is pushing for widescale use because trump is bullying and forcing whoever is in the FDA to go ahead. When this also fails, you louts will abuse the FDA chief while absolving trump.

The solution is clear. Social distancing. The needs are clear, push the local industries to produce ventilators and ppe. But no, this joker, the same one who said hoax, only 15 cases, gone by April, is now making Americans pay for his incompetence.

This is third world, idi amin style Google as you go problem solving.

kokaneprodigy:

Where did read 4 out of 5 from a set of 65?


“The emergency authorisation comes on the back of results from a small study in France, in which four out of five COVID-19 patients who were treated with chloroquine had ‘favourable’ outcomes.“

”The results also demonstrated that 65 of the 80 patients receiving chloroquine treatment improved and were discharged from hospital in an average of less than five days.”

Read again this time slowly

ornicus:


Look at this dunce. Four out of five from a set of 65. You want to take a chance on hundreds of thousands of people based on that? You see why you republicans are anti science dolts?

What your god trump is doing is exactly what he promised, running American like a business. Now Americans will all be endangered by a risk taking CEO cowboy who goes by his gut.

Zuorom:

There is nothing to understand here, the only fact in what you posted is that the FDA has approved chloroquine for coronavirus treatment, every other thing you posted is nothing but people's personal opinions, I am sure you can get many other people who agree with this decision. I don't know where you got the idea that someone is forcing the FDA to approve the drug. The FDA didn't say they were forced to do it, if anybody has any evidence that they were forced to do it then let's have the evidence of that.

kokaneprodigy:

The solution is social distancing?

For how long would we continue with social distancing? How will businesses run with social distancing.

Zuorom:

You're right, I have the story here, eventually 78 out of 80 recovered after chloroquine treatment

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-treatment-france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-975-patients-recovered-2949364

Zuorom:


https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-treatment-france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-975-patients-recovered-2949364

Also, the U.S.FDA has acted fast to make the unproven treatment available to thousands of COVID-19 patients in New York, despite the fact the following facts:

the drug has not been thoroughly tested
the initial results are just anecdotal
Critics warn of potentially life-threatening side effects

ornicus:



Lets take the republican proposal and kill off all the old and useless people. Is that better?

Zuorom:

Kokaneprodigy is right, he actually underestimated it, It 78 out of 80 that recovered within five days when chloroquine was used to treat them in France. It's not false information

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-treatment-france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-975-patients-recovered-2949364

Also, the U.S.FDA has acted fast to make the unproven treatment available to thousands of COVID-19 patients in New York, despite the fact the following facts:

- The drug has not been thoroughly tested
- The initial results are just anecdotal
- Critics warn of potentially life-threatening side effects.

In the U.K., the government has prohibited the use of chloroquine outside of the trial but that position is now probably untenable since they have to explain why they aren’t providing treatment as France

kokaneprodigy:

Dude your argument lacks logic Nd you talk like a 9 year old. People can’t go to work and earn money, businesses are locked down cos we are observing social distancing with no end in sight and you think try a drug with hope of getting a lasting solution is wrong.

Do you know the economic impacts of businesses being shut down all around the world?
You think at some point people won’t shun social distancing in order not to die of starvation?

ornicus:


Foolish boy, an economy is of no use if people are dead from disease.Your corporate president is doing what reckless ceos do - looking for a quick fix that ends up compounding the problem. Now he is wasting resources on a wild goose chase.

What you are looking at is the end result of hyper capitalism, a system with no buffers to withstand any shocks, and of course the hypocrisy where governments deny the tenets of capitalism ( only the strong survive) and prop up companies that displayed the same recklessness as the joker in the White House.

I suggest you read on what the health experts have to say, not the jokers at Fox News.

The Chinese shut down wuhan. It worked. Learn from that, instead of this laziness and gimmickry.

Zuorom:
The media in the US is deliberately trying to suppress the news of several successful application of chloroquine to combat the coronavirus infection. Even Google is suppressing positive search results. You have to dig deeper before finding this news on Google. It's almost as if liberals have a vested interest in making sure the death toll from this virus is as high as possible.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-78-of-80-patients-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days

wirinet:


Even at 78 out of 80, that's 2.5% fatality rate, which is well within the average.

You guys behave as Trump's words equate to the koran and his worshippers must defend it with their lives. This is what the link said;


Even UK is weary of using the untested drug on its own citizens;

Zuorom:

It's a zero fatality rate because no one died.

The UK position is now probably untenable since they have to explain why they aren’t providing treatment as France.

Anyhow you look at it the use of chloroquine gives more people a chance to survive than a situation where people are just being allowed to die like chicken if they can't recover on their own. None of those treated with chloroquine showed any adverse effects so what's the problem with using it?

garetz:
It's your own brain that is filled with marbles. I am not being specific, Trump has never said anything remotely resembling chloroquine being an across board or a stand alone drug. And you seem to be afflicted by some kind of delusion of grandeur, who the hell needs your acceptance of chloroquine or not? You're telling me about your standards for accepting as if it is of any consequence or even relevant in anyway . The FDA has already approved it and Chloroquine is already been used to good effect in The US and many other countries to battle the virus. Who gives a damn what you think or don't think about it

GalaticHorde:
you like trump speak from both sides of your mouth, my opposition to your rubbish was/is specific! If like tRump you can't backtrack on your apparent stupidity it is not my concern, better yet, go and overdose on chloroquine as prophylaxis after Dr tRump couldn't go wrong, could he?
tRump supporters are a breed the world could do without

GalaticHorde:
you like trump speak from both sides of your mouth, my opposition to your rubbish was/is specific! If like tRump you can't backtrack on your apparent stupidity it is not my concern, better yet, go and overdose on chloroquine as prophylaxis after Dr tRump couldn't go wrong, could he?
tRump supporters are a breed the world could do without

Zuorom:
The media in the US is deliberately trying to suppress the news of several successful application of chloroquine to combat the coronavirus infection. Even Google is suppressing positive search results. You have to dig deeper before finding this news on Google. It's almost as if liberals have a vested interest in making sure the death toll from this virus is as high as possible.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-78-of-80-patients-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days

ornicus:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/white-house-pressures-fda-japanese-drug-157587


For anyone foolish enough not to understand that trump is a reckless man who will continue to run after unproven drugs and force the fda to issue even more emergency approvals

kokaneprodigy:

So you think Trump would wake up one morning to talk about Chloroquine if he wasn’t informed by his medical team of it’s potential.

The issue here is that the FDA is divided as some feel in the face of this pandemic sufficient test has been done to approve it while others feel the need to exhaust all medical procedures before approving it. Don’t forget that The longer it takes the more the virus spreads there are political undertones to these things too.

ornicus:


Read the article. Do you know how cautious the fda traditionally is with regards to drugs?

Read about thalidomide. In the 60s and 70s, the drug rook off in Europe. The FDA did not allow it in the us. 9 months later, babies with severe defects were born in the UK. The us escaped this because of the fda and it’s leadership at the time.

Now you have a burn it all down reckless joker only concerned with his poll numbers and loyalty. Give trump enough time, and he will be forcing the fda to approve Maurice Iwus purported herbal cure.

The worst part is that if any of his recklessness leads to mass deaths he will absolve himself, and the same trump worshippers on this site will turn on the fda that allowed themselves to be forced into this

kokaneprodigy:

Your first and second paragraphs agree with my post. Reason there’s a division even in the FDA btwn those that want to work strictly by the guidelines of approval processes and those who feel they can skip some considering the success rate in the face of this pandemic. Sometimes you just gat to fvck tradition, that’s where discretion comes to play.

This is a peculiar issue and not the regular situation. FDA can decide to take decades to approve a new type of anti-malaria believed to be better than what we currently have no one would give a Bleep cos we have alternatives that won’t let malaria result in a pandemic.

Social distancing can only reduce the rate of spread, the best bet is to find a cure as soon as possible. Cos this social distancing thing resulting in lock downs everywhere will lead to a global recession and depression, a lot of people will lose their jobs after this pandemic, some middle class will become poor, some companies will fail to exist after this, if it stays long enough people will start dying of starvation and depression and not Covid and this is not about US alone. reason Nations were slow to locking down their countries it’s not that easy.

kokaneprodigy:

So you think Trump would wake up one morning to talk about Chloroquine if he wasn’t informed by his medical team of it’s potential.

The issue here is that the FDA is divided as some feel in the face of this pandemic sufficient test has been done to approve it while others feel the need to exhaust all medical procedures before approving it. Don’t forget that The longer it takes the more the virus spreads there are political undertones to these things too.

wirinet:

The same Trump that did a Google search of Seoul and saw elevation - 38m, and immediately went on to announce on national TV, that he knows south korea better than anybody and that the population of Seoul is 38million

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA9P7n6P-ss

Trump behaves and talks like a semi illiterate