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Jeromejnr:
Bros, you are not smart jare.

Stop tryna console yourself. I am sure you have seen the errors of your statement.

I know that even though I never claimed your last statement, you try to force that straw man tactic on me.

Lol..you are empty bro.

P.S For your extra education, there is no biology in fire. So yes, Chemistry is divorced from Biology in that aspect.

Conclusion: Your analogy is unintelligent.

Shelumiel:
Hahaha... Atheist love insulting when frustrated.

LordReed:
You are just a dunce. Nobody claimed fire was biological but in your haste to show us the dundee you are you concluded that an analogy is the same as the real thing. You are just too stupìd for words.

You can't even answer the simple question where does fire go when it is put out. Instead of you to admit the simple fact that it shows how weak your position is you brag like a little kid telling his friends how his father's farm covers the whole world.

Don't be stupid.

LordReed:
Yeah that's why he insulted first because he was frustrated.

Shelumiel:
Oga pack well and answer the question.

Jeromejnr:
Chai..see as the guy ran insults

So now, you have decided to hide under the cover of the word analogy??

Okay o..let me follow you..

So what is an analogy?

"I just checked Google now, and it says: A correspondence
Or partial similarity.

Also, a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects."

The key words are partial similarity and significant respects.

Now Mr. Man, because you call something an analogy, doesnt mean you can just pull out any silly example out of your uninformed mind.

You have finally agreed with me that Fire is not biological in nature.

How can you then compare a living organism to plasma (fire)? What are their natural similarities?

How shall we take you serious after such a silly example?

LordReed:
LMFAO! Always with the crocodile tears. You started with the insults then when I unleash on you you want to form high road. Next time stick with having a civil discussion.

Partial similarity tells you all you need to know. No one claimed fire is biological because the concept being highlighted has nothing to do with whether the subjects are biological or not.

You still refuse to answer the simple question because you can see how the answer will weaken your position. If you don't think so why not answer it and show how it is silly?

Jeromejnr:
1. Saying your questions are silly is not an insult, it's the truth.

2. You were first asked a question by the OP, which you havent answered? And you want me to answer your silly question.

3. What you gave was not an analogy Sir. If you even said Simile ( we might accept) even though it's not smart enough to be a simile.

4. Why are you frustrated with the questions?

LordReed:
You are empty bro is an endearment?

The question is not a simile. The question highlights a specific concept and you continue to dodge answering the simple question.

What question did you ask me?

Jeromejnr:
Oga first answer the OP's question. You are all over the place.

How can you dodge a plethora of questions and you want me to answer yours.

Forget my own questions for now.

LordReed:
LMFAO! You are just too funny for words. I am all over the place how? I have been pressing on you to answer 1 simple question in how many posts yet I am all over the place? If anything I have stayed focused while it's you running away from answering a simple question and bringing up all sorts to side track the discussion.

I would have thought it is obvious that I am in agreement with what Professorcplus (who brought up the where does fire go question) wrote in response to the OPs question. He sufficiently captures my thoughts on the matter and I have nothing to add.

Also it is fun how you accuse me of being frustrated with questions but cannot point out where you asked me said questions.

Jeromejnr:
Straw Man

I feel you. False accusations everywhere.

Just say you dont know bro. Its fine.

You would have just answered with the Atheists famous line of when you are dead, you are dead. But noooo...you decide to form smart. Now see yourself.

You have embarrassed your fellows.

Chemical reaction

LordReed:
SMH. You are brain dead. What a waste.

LordReed:
You guys make your god seem clueless. Your god can make a whole universe but needs to destroy billions of people over and over again to rid the earth of sin? What kind of incompetence is that?

Eviana:
Hello sir,
Long time.......I see you are still passionate about your "belief of no belief".
You know that's not what I explained at the bolded.
You are miscontruing and misleading folks...as usual.
As I always have said, "You have a right to expression."

You have to know that you specifically and personally have been added to my prayer list don't you?
Ok?
That's all I want you to know

Faithful4real:
I have been wondering where will athesist go when they die. Some religon have their place of rest after life. I dont expect bad one among them to enjoy rest for their bad deeds. OP you can move it to the front page please.

matrix199:
Same place every other persons, irrespective of religion, would go to when they die.


Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Rather, energy is transformed from one form to another. We have no recollection of pre-life events, neither will we have recollection of after-life events. But later on in time, there's every possibilities of one reincarnating to continue his same or different life.


Those are my personal beliefs. Everyone has his. But the only time to know the truth is when one kicks the bucket.

reigncalif1:
THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH MOST SCIENTIFIC THEORIES
MATTER AND ENERGY CAN NOT BE CREATED SO HOW DOES THE FIRST ENERGY GENERATED BEFORE IT GOT TRANSFERED ,
THEN WHAT HAPPEN TO THE FIRST MATTER ,HOW DOES IT CAME INTO EXISTENCE
WHAT IS EVEN THE FIRST EXISTED MATTER

LordReed:
Thank you for your good wishes.

I did not add to what you said. It is exactly what you said I reiterated. You said your god is trying to rid the world of sin, what effort do you think your god is putting if not as stated in your bible? Do you not believe that your god destroyed an uncounted number in a flood? Do you not believe he is going to repeat that type of destruction with fire? Is all this destruction ostensibly to rid the world of sin?

Eviana:
Well if it's written in the Bible, I do believe it.
Oh, but you sliced off 99 percent of my original post.
I thought you quoted all of my original post.
But perhaps you didn't. My apologies if I'm wrong about that.

See we're told (followers of Christ that is) to read scripture passages ...line upon line, precept upon precept..you know in the full context.
You, however, took my (1) sentence--which I definitely wrote and meant-- and refused to read the sentences before AND after that sentence.
Be fair sir.

The plan of salvation was to send the Only Substitute to carry the sins of a fallen earth (courtesy of Adam and Eve's disobedience), restore man back to his original state of perfection and relationship with God, and to create a new world where sin will never arise again.
Sin is the issue here.
I explained "why" people who have chosen NOT to believe through faith, confess their sins, repent and surrender their lives to Christ --which would subsequently make them "sinners"--will have to be punished along with satan and his angels.
Any thing or person associated with sin (the devastating problem that has caused all of this generational destruction on earth) cannot enter into the new Jerusalem....

The Holy Spirit is the only One who can give you wisdom and understanding about what has to occur on this earth...if you truly want the understanding.
I am committed to doing my part..as I told you in my former post.

Prism:
When you sleep, you dream because you are a spiritual being.

LordReed:
I don't have to quote your entire post to make the point I'm making which you have done nothing to refute since of course you can't refute it anyway.


[b]It doesn't matter what the plan is if at the end of the day untold billions are just going to live, suffer, die then go for another round of suffering. This should be unconscionable to any empathetic thinking being. This scenario cannot be the plan of a god of wisdom, it has to be the plan of a foolish and/or incompetent god. No empathetic being would ever plan this much suffering in advance.

Eviana:
The plan of salvation was/is all about how to reconcile a "lost" world back to Christ.
The unfortunate ending of sin is a by-product of the main goal.

Hellfire is not a continual burning....so your "second round of suffering" is only for a moment.
"Everlasting" means one is burned until he/she no longer exists.
As horrific as it is, this has to occur in order to finally eradicate "sin".
Sir, this is a choice that many people have made.
They do not have to choose that fate...eternal condemnation.
You do not have to sir.

Hellfire is a whole other study, but just wanted to throw that piece in.


2 Peter 3:9(KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That scripture tells one about the love of God and His patience towards us...waiting for some of us to make the choice.
We serve Him because we have chosen to do so based on our gratitude for what He has done for us....taking the penalty for our sins.
We do not serve Him because of fear of hellfire.
If so, then that would be a worthless faith.

I know you don't have peace because you wouldn't be so violatile if you did. Your aggressive, vicious questioning and mockery have you restless..
Which is why I'm praying specifically for you--cause you have a glimpse of something.
I'll just leave it at that.
As I said before though, your specific choice does not stop God's plan...what will happen in these final events of earth's history.
The earth (as we know it) had a beginning and will certainly have an end....regardless...and how God chooses to do that is not our decision to make. Remember that He is the Creator. We are the creation. All we have to do is "choose".
I sincerely hope you choose Him.


P.S.
I do not subscribe to Jehovah Witnesses' overall beliefs, but I think they have the "hellfire" doctrine of NOT being an everlasting, "continual" burning correct.

Eviana:
The plan of salvation was/is all about how to reconcile a "lost" world back to Christ.
The unfortunate ending of sin is a by-product of the main goal.

Hellfire is not a continual burning....so your "second round of suffering" is only for a moment.
"Everlasting" means one is burned until he/she no longer exists.
As horrific as it is, this has to occur in order to finally eradicate "sin".
Sir, this is a choice that many people have made.
They do not have to choose that fate...eternal condemnation.
You do not have to sir.

Hellfire is a whole other study, but just wanted to throw that piece in.


2 Peter 3:9(KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That scripture tells one about the love of God and His patience towards us...waiting for some of us to make the choice.
We serve Him because we have chosen to do so based on our gratitude for what He has done for us....taking the penalty for our sins.
We do not serve Him because of fear of hellfire.
If so, then that would be a worthless faith.

I know you don't have peace because you wouldn't be so violatile if you did. Your aggressive, vicious questioning and mockery have you restless..
Which is why I'm praying specifically for you--cause you have a glimpse of something.
I'll just leave it at that.
As I said before though, your specific choice does not stop God's plan...what will happen in these final events of earth's history.
The earth (as we know it) had a beginning and will certainly have an end....regardless...and how God chooses to do that is not our decision to make. Remember that He is the Creator. We are the creation. All we have to do is "choose".
I sincerely hope you choose Him.


P.S.
I do not subscribe to Jehovah Witnesses' overall beliefs, but I think they have the "hellfire" doctrine of NOT being an everlasting, "continual" burning correct.

LordReed:
This doesn't answer how a supposedly wise and benevolent god will plan all this suffering in advance. Especially as he supposedly knows all the outcomes in advance. He either revels in the suffering or he is incompetent.

LMFAO! Volatile? Restless? Bwahahahahaha! You are simply uncomfortable that someone could question your beliefs with candor. I am not moved one bit by any of the things you think are reasons to fear because your god is a figment of your imagination so is hell and the rest of your theology. I merely engage with you to help you understand how I see it. It has nothing to do with reality.