kokaneprodigy:
was Lupus a pandemic? Has any Coronavirus patient died after being treated with Chloroquine?

Lab tests have been done and showed it worked, success rate of over 80% recorded on patients , but more tests still need to be carried out quite alright to confirm this. However this will take more time, do you propose people keep dying while they wait for confirmation?

This is simple logic.
If you have a loved one whose case is deteriorating and the doctor offers to prescribe chloroquine you will say no that you await WHO’s announcement.

This is where the what’s there to lose comes in.

wirinet:


Please share the lab tests where success rate of Hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus is 80%. If success rate is 80%, why is the fatality rate still very high? Why do thousands of people die each day?

More importantly, why haven't British doctors rushed hydroxychloroquine to Boris Johnson, he is in critical condition, and his conservative party would not want him to die in order to spite Trump.

wirinet:


Please share the lab tests where success rate of Hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus is 80%. If success rate is 80%, why is the fatality rate still very high? Why do thousands of people die each day?

More importantly, why haven't British doctors rushed hydroxychloroquine to Boris Johnson, he is in critical condition, and his conservative party would not want him to die in order to spite Trump.

wirinet:


Please share the lab tests where success rate of Hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus is 80%. If success rate is 80%, why is the fatality rate still very high? Why do thousands of people die each day?

More importantly, why haven't British doctors rushed hydroxychloroquine to Boris Johnson, he is in critical condition, and his conservative party would not want him to die in order to spite Trump.

garetz:

Oh my God!! How many times will the results be shared on this thread before you stop asking for it to be posted again? Something that has been shared over and over again by at least three different people on the forum and you even commented and debated about it when it was posted. As for BoJo, the choice is his, Britain is one of the countries that have refused to give Chloroquine a trial so I won't be surprised if their situation becomes as terrible as italy and Spain.

Doctors in France will now be able to treat COVID-19 patients after Didier Raoult, a renowned physician who specializes in infectious diseases, announced a new clinical trial’s results. According to that, 78 out of 80 coronavirus patients recovered within 5 days after being treated with chloroquine- which is considerably quicker than the usual 14 days. For some COVID-19 patients, it can take up to 28 days to recover, if at all they did.
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-treatment-france-officially-sanctions-drug-after-975-patients-recovered-2949364

wirinet:


I hope this is not the results you are talking about;


because even a secondary school science students cannot present a mere unverified claim as a test results .

Where have you ever seen a clinical trial consisting of only 80 test subjects by one doctor with no control and no actual report.

kokaneprodigy:

For sake of this argument let’s assume 1 test, being 1 test doesn’t make it invalid. It only means more tests need to be done to verify claims. Even the FDA hasn’t ruled out the possibility they are only saying more tests need to be done.

However more doctors have prescribed it and have recorded success. Nobody has died as records have shown due to chloroquine prescription for Covid.

Once again what’s there to lose since there isn’t better alternative at the moment.

wirinet:

You guys don't know how scientific claims work, it is different from religious claims. You make an hypothesis and back up your claims with verifiable data. You must also published your findings in a scientific journal, so every one can understand how and why it works.

If you open a simple chloroquine pack for the treatment of malaria, it will contain a leaflet detailing how the drug kills the malaria parasite, it will provide details on which enzymes or properties of the parasite it attacks. Same with other antibacterial and antivirus drugs. Even HIV drugs will explain how it stops the virus from further replicating.

This case is just like a traditional medicine man that claims he cured staphylococcus with "agbo" and believe me, there are hundreds of such claims. We hear how many people he has cured without any reports or scientific basis.

wirinet:


I hope this is not the results you are talking about;


because even a secondary school science students cannot present a mere unverified claim as a test results .

Where have you ever seen a clinical trial consisting of only 80 test subjects by one doctor with no control and no actual report.

garetz:

So a clinical trial conducted by a world renowned physician who specializes in infectious diseases is not good enough for you? GTFOH!!!

wirinet:

You guys don't know how scientific claims work, it is different from religious claims. You make an hypothesis and back up your claims with verifiable data. You must also published your findings in a scientific journal, so every one can understand how and why it works.

If you open a simple chloroquine pack for the treatment of malaria, it will contain a leaflet detailing how the drug kills the malaria parasite, it will provide details on which enzymes or properties of the parasite it attacks. Same with other antibacterial and antivirus drugs. Even HIV drugs will explain how it stops the virus from further replicating.

This case is just like a traditional medicine man that claims he cured staphylococcus with "agbo" and believe me, there are hundreds of such claims. We hear how many people he has cured without any reports or scientific basis.

garetz:

Just shut the hell up!!! What do you know about science? One of France's top most infectious diseases specialist conducted a scientific clinical trials that produced results that made the French government to approve chloroquine for use against the coronavirus but you ignore him and continue to spew liberal propagandists bullshit yet you want to talk about science?

This is your Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo asking federal government to increase hydroxychloroquine supply because there is evidence that it appears to be working


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFThng_2bs

Liberal bullshit propaganda hasn't saved a single life, chloroquine has saved many and will continue to save many.

kokaneprodigy:

I have attached some files for u to read, if you still do not understand what I’m saying that’s your problem not mine.

kokaneprodigy:
I don’t know what’s the fuss about on this chloroquine.
1. Trump wouldn’t just announce it without expert advice. Only where he goofed was that FDA has approved it as a cure.
2. Even the FDA agrees that there is some success in its use reason for the emergency use approval in the face of the pandemic.
3. Doctors are prescribing it and there’s still success in its use, unless Liberals are saying Trump forced the doctors to.

I ask again what’s the fuss about.

wowcatty:
What are you talking about?

You guys just throw words around anyhow!

What is constitutional in rigging an elections? And do democrats understand what the constitution is? See how they break the law, left right and center!

fieryy:


Seriously?! That's your proof?! 'One study said' ?!

Who conducted the study? In what year was the study conducted? Who sponsored the study? What was the hypothesis of the study? What was the motivation of the study? How was the study carried out, in other words what was the procedure of the study? How many participants took part in the tests? How diverse were the participants? (For accurate studies, participants have to be from different races, live different lifestyles etc)? Were certain things noticed among a certain group of participants?

A good study needs to provide answers to these questions! Saying 'a study said' proves absolutely nothing!

TheShopKeeper:
White House memos warned in run-up to pandemic of up to 2M deaths, economic devastation

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-memos-warned-in-run-up-to-pandemic-of-up-to-2m-deaths-economic-devastation

Top White House trade adviser Peter Navarro warned in stark terms about how deadly and economically devastating the coronavirus outbreak could be, weeks before it became a full-blown pandemic.

Navarro delivered the warnings to others at the White House in internal memos in January and February, saying that the United States could see up to 2 million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic damage.

The first Navarro memo was dated Jan. 29 and was addressed to the White House National Security Council, according to The New York Times, which first reported on the document. In it, Navarro made his case for an “immediate travel ban on China.”

In that memo, Navarro also reportedly warned that “the lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on U.S. soil.”

“This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans,” Navarro wrote in the memo, according to the Times.

Navarro’s first memo came as the president was downplaying the prospect of the virus coming to the U.S., while, at the same time, just days later on Jan. 31 restricting travel from China, after it was reported that COVID-19 was first discovered in China in December 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei province.

The memo reportedly warned of up to $5.7 trillion in economic costs and up to a half-million American deaths in a worst-case scenario.

In late February Navarro penned another memo, this time addressed to the president himself and escalating the warnings.

The Feb. 23 memo, first reported by Axios and confirmed by Fox News, warned that “there is an increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life as many as 1-2 million souls.”

The estimate was ultimately in line with what officials say could have happened without any social distancing measures and other precautions now in place across the country.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx said last week that without any measures in place to mitigate the virus’ spread, projections jump to between 1.5 and 2.2 million deaths from COVID-19.

But with extensive restrictions in place, they said the coronavirus could still leave 100,000 to 240,000 people in the U.S. dead and millions infected.

In his memo, Navarro outlined such scenarios and called for funding to tackle the problem.

“To minimize economic and social disruptions and loss of life, there is an urgent need for an immediate supplemental appropriation of at least $30 billion dollars [sic] to support efforts at prevention, treatment, inoculation, and diagnostics,” Navarro wrote. “This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill. Uncertainties associated with developing a vaccine and viable treatment options should NOT slow down investments in these high risk, high reward ventures.”


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/06/peter-navarro-memo-in-late-january-warned-of-coronavirus-pandemic/


...Hope this is not fake news coming from Foxnews...

ornicus:


Trump and his supporters don't read.

garetz:

Lol, so it's you liberals that read? right in that article you were told, Navarro based on his projections made a case for an immediate ban of travel from China. That was on January 29. Two days later on January 31, Trump did just that and guess those who opposed it as being racist and xenophobic? Your liberal media and politicians!! Even you were still attacking the travel ban few days ago here. So who doesn't read? Is it Trump who followed the recommendation made by Navarro or is it you and your liberal leaders? Your Democrat politicians including your presidential candidate have all just recently turned around to admit that Trump was right after all.

ornicus:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/07/twitter-thread-launched-trump-coronavirus-drug-170557

Very long article. This is what you get in the age of trump. Turning an article by non medical practitioners into a magic bullet.

I will continue to say, this is not a movie. This is real life. Its in movies the hero bucks all logic to find a cure or deliver an element in under two hours.

All that has happened is that the hypeman on the white House has given people false hope, because that is all he has.

garetz:

Fake News!!! In real life, lives are being saved by doctors using chloroquine, your liberal governors are now begging for shipments of Chloroquine. In the delusional mind of TDS afflicted liberals, the only thing exists is, orange man bad! Orange man bad!! Orange man bad!!!

kokaneprodigy:


You have time, I already saw the article on Fox today and was surprised to see how a liberal wants to use it to score points against Trump despite Trump following his recommendations and liberals protested.

That Ornicus dude is very unintelligent

To minimize economic and social disruptions and loss of life, there is an urgent need for an immediate supplemental appropriation of at least $30 billion dollars [sic] to support efforts at prevention, treatment, inoculation, and diagnostics,” Navarro wrote. “This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill. Uncertainties associated with developing a vaccine and viable treatment options should NOT slow down investments in these high risk, high reward ventures

ornicus:


Trump and his supporters don't read.

TheShopKeeper:


https://www.axios.com/exclusive-navarro-deaths-coronavirus-memos-january-da3f08fb-dce1-4f69-89b5-ea048f8382a9.html