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Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 11:20am On Apr 07, 2020
jcross19:
Then I saw a lamb,looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. my question: who is the Him on the throne and that lamb?
Oga, what sort of analogy are you using here? Jesus is still that same person who is seated on the throne(or is Jesus a Lamb?). It seems you do not know that revelations is a synbolic verse; not a literal verse. Now open to revelations 21:5-6. It says, ' Then He who sat on the throne said, " behold, I make all things new. And He said to me " Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me, " It is done! I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End... ' Now turn to that same Revelations 22: 12-13, Where Jesus is speaking, and He says " And behold, I am coming very quickly and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and Last. " Now tell me, are there two Alphas and Omegas in this universe or one?
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by jcross19: 4:57pm On Apr 07, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga, what sort of analogy are you using here? Jesus is still that same person who is seated on the throne(or is Jesus a Lamb?). It seems you do not know that revelations is a synbolic verse; not a literal verse. Now open to revelations 21:5-6. It says, ' Then He who sat on the throne said, " behold, I make all things new. And He said to me " Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me, " It is done! I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End... ' Now turn to that same Revelations 22: 12-13, Where Jesus is speaking, and He says " And behold, I am coming very quickly and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and Last. " Now tell me, are there two Alphas and Omegas in this universe or one?
simple question you could not answered it huh . in all the bible no where Jesus called Himself is the father.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 5:06pm On Apr 07, 2020
jcross19:
simple question you could not answered it huh . in all the bible no where Jesus called Himself is the father.
I have answered you from the verses of the bible so what more are you looking for? In my previous post on Revelations 22, I showed you clearly who it was that was on the throne, and i said it was Jesus (aka God). My brother, Jesus is the image of the unseen God (Colossians 1:15); He is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:12-13); The everlasting God (Isaiah 9:6). And the Father Revealed (John14:9). His identity was revealed by apostle Paul in 1Timothy 3:16 and this is indisputable.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by jcross19: 7:42pm On Apr 07, 2020
Shelumiel:
I have answered you from the verses of the bible so what more are you looking for? In my previous post on Revelations 22, I showed you clearly who it was that was on the throne, and i said it was Jesus (aka God). My brother, Jesus is the image of the unseen God (Colossians 1:15); He is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:12-13); The everlasting God (Isaiah 9:6). And the Father Revealed (John14:9). His identity was revealed by apostle Paul in 1Timothy 3:16 and this is indisputable.
Now let me explain that verse of that 1Timothy 3:16 " God was manifested in the flesh " this the meaning John1:14 say And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the ONLY begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth. that's simple meaning of that you quoted , don't misguided ask holy spirit to help. Jesus and God almighty are just in unison but there is God, which is father. whenever Jesus prayed who was He prayed to? when He was transfigured the old prophets came and console Him ask yourself can ordinary what He created console the creator? does that make sense to you?.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 9:34pm On Apr 07, 2020
jcross19:
Now let me explain that verse of that 1Timothy 3:16 " God was manifested in the flesh " this the meaning John1:14 say And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the ONLY begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth. that's simple meaning of that you quoted , don't misguided ask holy spirit to help. Jesus and God almighty are just in unison but there is God, which is father. whenever Jesus prayed who was He prayed to? when He was transfigured the old prophets came and console Him ask yourself can ordinary what He created console the creator? does that make sense to you?.
Oga, why didn't you mention the part of the chapter that says"...and the word was God..."? Can you see how you choose to only look at certain segments of the bible just because you're trying to prove a point? Lol
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by jcross19: 10:34pm On Apr 07, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga, why didn't you mention the part of the chapter that says"...and the word was God..."? Can you see how you choose to only look at certain segments of the bible just because you're trying to prove a point? Lol
yes I will break it down to you!!.in greek text there is difference between "the word was with GOD" and "the word was God " in the first God is in capital form while the second one is small letter form. one is Theo's and other one is theon . but the English interpreter did it the same. try to understand it very well. I asked you when Jacob fought angel,did Jacob fight God? then why did the angel says he wrestled with God? angel to God in that chapter.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 10:52am On Apr 08, 2020
jcross19:
yes I will break it down to you!!.in greek text there is difference between "the word was with GOD" and "the word was God " in the first God is in capital form while the second one is small letter form. one is Theo's and other one is theon . but the English interpreter did it the same. try to understand it very well. I asked you when Jacob fought angel,did Jacob fight God? then why did the angel says he wrestled with God? angel to God in that chapter.
Oga, stop defending what you have no knowledge of! And for your information, the bible was originally written in three languages :Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Now the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were written in Greek and their translations and interpretations have remain consistent with what was written before in scripture(the old testament). Now, if Jesus is called Logos(Greek for word of God), what would be the equivalent in hebrew when Isaiah wrote about Him in Isaiah 9:6? Can you tell me?
NB: The translation must be the same with the word Logos
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Fididiguy(op): 12:41pm On Apr 08, 2020
Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus


*John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"*

This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Fididiguy(op): 12:48pm On Apr 08, 2020
Thomas is a disciple of Christ but had doubting spirit disturbing him, some of us knows God but yet we doubt, in verse 28, the middle verse Thomas said to Jesus my Lord and my God as against many of false misinformation Bible twister were teaching people


_*John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.*_



*_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and myGod._*



_*20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.*_
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky:
Fididiguy:
Thomas is a disciple of Christ but had doubting spirit disturbing him, some of us knows God but yet we doubt, in verse 28, the middle verse Thomas said to Jesus my Lord and my God as against many of false misinformation Bible twister were teaching people


_*John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.*_



*_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God._*



_*20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.*_
Why are you twisting the holy Scriptures?
Is Thomas telling you that Jesus is Almighty God?
Read John 20:1-30 with wisdom and understanding....
John 20:14-17, Mary Magdalene was the first to see the resurrected Jesus,initially she did not recognize him.

John 20:19-21,2 4, Jesus for the first time appears to his disciples, Thomas wasn't there.

John 20:25, Thomas said he doesn't believe Jesus resurrection,"...unless I stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe"

John 20:29:
Jesus said to him:"because you have seen me (resurrected), have you believed?
Happy are those who do not see (the resurrected Jesus) and Yet believe."
We never saw the resurrected Jesus,but today
we believe that Jesus Christ resurrected because we walk by faith not by sight" 2 Cor5:7.
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See why your claim of John 20:28 is not true..
John 20:31,
"But these have been written that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ the SON of God,and that because of believing (he is the son of God), you may have life by means of his name"

Please Note
John 20:17 is Jesus Christ confirmation of John 20:31.
Jesus Christ NEVER told Thomas he is Almighty God,John20:17& Matt 16:13-17, Jesus Christ revealed to his disciples, including Thomas", I am ascending to my God and your God".
Thomas is Jesus disciples, Jesus Christ is his master, John 20:17 is very authoritative than Thomas exclamation..
Besides, if you check different Bible versions of John 20:28 it ends with exclamation sign (!).

Exclamation sign(!)
New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
New King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Berean Study Bible
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas speech conveys surprise, shock. For instance, "Oh my God"! Oh my Lord!"
Thomas doubts of verse25 gives way to surprise in Verse28 that Jesus resurrected.
Thomas NEVER said Christ is Almighty God...
Again, Thomas was not speaking for other disciples. He never said "Our God"
Rather, He is surprised and exclaimed that his doubts(John 20:25) had been addressed.


Shalom.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 2:19pm On Apr 08, 2020
Those who keep saying Jesus is not God cannot refute the verses that say. Why? grin
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 2:25pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Those who keep saying Jesus is not God cannot refute the verses that say. Why? grin
Which verse?
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 2:28pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Which verse?
Sir just follow the thread and see them
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 2:45pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Sir just follow the thread and see them
Thomas is very INFERIOR to Jesus, He is a disciple. Jesus Christ is his master.
As I have already explained, Thomas exclamation of surprise (John 20:28 ) to remove his doubts (John 20:25) can NOT refute John 20:17,30,31.
If Thomas is your saviour and Master, no problem.
I stand gidigba on the words of Master Jesus Christ ( John 20:17,30-31. Matt 16:13-17. John 17:3. Rev3:5,12). addressing his followers.
Jesus Christ says his God in heaven is also the God of Thomas (John 20:17. 1 Cor 3:23).
In the spiritual realm, Jesus Christ is a servant of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob. Acts3:13.
Shalom.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 2:48pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Thomas is very INFERIOR to Jesus, He is a disciple. Jesus Christ is his master.
As I have already explained, Thomas exclamation of surprise (John 20:28 ) to remove his doubts (John 20:25) can NOT refute John 20:17,30,31.
If Thomas is your saviour and Master, no problem.
I stand gidigba on the words of Master Jesus Christ ( John 20:17,30-31. Matt 16:13-17. Rev3:5,12). addressing his followers.
Jesus Christ says his God in heaven is also the God of Thomas (John 20:17. 1 Cor 3:23).
Shalom.
Bros, you're not explaining anything, and from your writeup all I see is a pathetic reason for not being able to harmonize all the verses being mentioned about Jesus being God (or in this case not being God). Shalom
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 3:09pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Bros, you're not explaining anything, and from your writeup all I see is a pathetic reason for not being able to harmonize all the verses being mentioned about Jesus being God (or in this case not being God). Shalom
In your Bible,
Yahweh calls men (Elohim, "God"wink and the holy Scriptures calls men Elohim (Exodus 7:1. Psalms 82:1,6. 1Cor8:5-6.), it proves nothing if Christ is referred to as "God"

Dearie, I have 4 questions for you:
Is the spiritual realm stronger than the physical realm?
Who does Jesus Christ says he is in the physical realm and in the spiritual realm?
Please explain Matt 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31 and Revelation 3:5,11,12 (here cited below).

Why does Jesus Christ (your "God"wink have his Father and his God in heaven? (Acts3:13).



Revelation 3:5,12.
5The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels."


11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. "

Shalom.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 3:22pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Dearie, I have 4 questions for you:
Is the spiritual realm stronger than the physical realm?
Who does Jesus Christ says he is in the physical realm and in the spiritual realm?
Please explain Matt 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31 and Revelation 3:5,11,12 (here cited below).

Why does Jesus Christ (your "God"wink have his Father and his God in heaven?



Revelation 3:5,12.
5The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels."


11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. "

Shalom.
Oga, you keep looking for the word "Son of God " making it sound as if these three (FATHER, SON AND SPIRIT) are different personages but forgetting the ( basic ) fact that Jesus is call the word of God! Word of God. Does that ring a bell? Now we are told that the " Word of God " was God (John 1:14).
And that The Father, Word and Spirit are one. (1 John 5:7). So this excludes any mere differences you're assuming...or trying to assume.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 3:32pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga, you keep looking for the word "Son of God " making it sound as if these three (FATHER, SON AND SPIRIT) are different personages but forgetting the ( basic ) fact that Jesus is call the word of God! Word of God. Does that ring a bell? Now we are told that the " Word of God " was God (John 1:14).
And that The Father, Word and Spirit are one. (1 John 5:7). So this excludes any mere differences you're assuming...or trying to assume.
Stop deceiving yourself with the forgery of king James version of 1 John 5:7, internet is there for you to research how that FORGERY came into the king James version.
. Go and learn !!
Google "1 John 5:7 Biblehub",
(read the info you will see thoroughly.)
You are not really interested in the truth otherwise,you would have responded to the 4 questions i asked you..
Even your pastor can not use his Bible to disprove the question & the Scriptures

Why does Jesus Christ (your "God"wink have his Father and his God in heaven?



Revelation 3:5,12.
5The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels."


11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name"
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 3:35pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Stop deceiving yourself with the forgery of king James version of 1 John 5:7, internet is there for you to research how that FORGERY came into the king James version.. go and learn !!

You are not really interested the truth otherwise,you would have responded to the 4 questions i asked you..
Even your pastor can not use his Bible to disprove the question & the Scriptures

Why does Jesus Christ (your "God"wink have his Father and his God in heaven?



Revelation 3:5,12.
5The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels."


11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name"
So its now forgery? Hahaha... grin. I can see the JW in you speaking. But this is the typical sayings from an occultic movement setup by the Antichrist mininister Charles Russell Tuze cheesy
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 3:44pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
So its now forgery? Hahaha... grin. I can see the JW in you speaking. But this is the typical sayings from an occultic movement setup by the Antichrist mininister Charles Russell Tuze cheesy
You're sharing FAKE NEWS..
Just as your KJV 1 John 5:7 is FAKE.

I'm not surprised. grin grin

Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 3:48pm On Apr 08, 2020
[quote author=Janosky post=88226867][/quote]Let me get this straight (kikiki grin). How do we know that this website you published has authentic answers to what we are debating on? Or is this another JW trickery...? grin
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 3:59pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Let me get this straight (kikiki grin). How do we know that this website you published has authentic answers to what we are debating on? Or is this another JW trickery...? grin
You're trying so hard to cover up your inadequacies....

Dearie, this is a public forum, you have no shred of evidence at All.
It's very obvious you have a taste for LIES and FALSEHOOD.
EVERYTHING FAKE rocks your boat.
Still, I'm not surprised.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 4:02pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
You're trying so hard to cover up your inadequacies....

Dearie, this is a public forum, you have a taste for LIES and FALSEHOOD.
EVERYTHING FAKE rocks your boat.
Still, I'm not surprised.
You've proven nothing and you're here vomiting trash that your saw from google. How pathetic. Has google now become the reference point of biblical arguments and justification. Where was google when the bible was being translated...mtchww
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 4:31pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
You've proven nothing and you're here vomiting trash that your saw from google. How pathetic. Has google now become the reference point of biblical arguments and justification. Where was google when the bible was being translated...mtchww
The message is true, 1 John 5:7 (KJV) is a confirmed FORGERY.
Does the words of Jesus in the Scriptures quoted here agree with KJV 1John 5:7?
Why is KJV 1john5:7 different from other Bibles?
These are questions a serious person would seek ways to find out the fact rather than FALSELY claim the credible evidence is trash .

Revelation 3:5,11,12,21 & John 20:17,30-31, Matthew 16:13-17, John 17:3, the very words of the Master and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
Na you triune pagan deity devotee dey call trash.
TUEH !!!!!
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 4:39pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
The message is true, 1 John 5:7 (KJV) is a confirmed FORGERY.
Revelation 3:5,11,12,21 & John 20:17,30-31, Matthew 16:13-17, John 17:3, the very words of the Master and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
Na you triune pagan deity devotee dey call trash.
TUEH !!!!!
Oga pack well. You're lying and you're lying with full confidence. How can that verse be a forgery...abi na you call am forgery or na that occultic movement (JW) call am forgery? Which one?
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 4:49pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga pack well. You're lying and you're lying with full confidence. How can that verse be a forgery...abi na you call am forgery or na that occultic movement (JW) call am forgery? Which one?
Dearie, I don't mean to be rude to you,if some of my statements are provocative, I sincerely apologize.
Let's get this clear up.
Check other versions of 1 John 5:7, find out why it's different from KJV, I showed you why from my screenshots..

If you read up other versions of the Bible,you would see it's different (Biblehub has very numerous Bible versions you can check). Start from there...
You no dey use Google dey do your research for school assignment? grin
There's nothing,ABSOLUTELY NOTHING occultic about JW (topic for another day).
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Shelumiel: 4:54pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Dearie, I don't mean to be rude to you,if some of my statements are provocative, I sincerely apologize.
Let's get this clear up.
Check other versions of 1 John 5:7, find out why it's different from KJV, I showed you why from my screenshots..
If you read up other versions of the Bible,you would see it's different (Biblehub has very numerous Bible versions you can check). Start from there...
You no dey use Google dey do your research for school assignment? grin
Oga, any fool can put rubbish on google which is why Google is not normally use as a referent in academic work grin. Now back to the issue : since you say the verse has been "forged "( grin) can you kindly show me the original Greek text where this forgery took place? grin
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by jcross19: 5:59pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga, stop defending what you have no knowledge of! And for your information, the bible was originally written in three languages :Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Now the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were written in Greek and their translations and interpretations have remain consistent with what was written before in scripture(the old testament). Now, if Jesus is called Logos(Greek for word of God), what would be the equivalent in hebrew when Isaiah wrote about Him in Isaiah 9:6? Can you tell me?
NB: The translation must be the same with the word Logos
lol!!!!! what's the difference between Theos and theon that's my question not logos as you said.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 6:03pm On Apr 08, 2020
Shelumiel:
Oga, any fool can put rubbish on google which is why Google is not normally use as a referent in academic work grin. Now back to the issue : since you say the verse has been "forged "( grin) can you kindly show me the original Greek text where this forgery took place? grin
Good question....

Let me explain some facts to you....
The KJV Bible was translated from the 16th century manuscript,called textus receptus prepared by Desiderus Erasmus. (Pls find out more about these topics (1) textus receptus manuscript (11) Johanine comma.(111) Bible manuscripts).
You can share what you found out here for the benefit of others..
The words of KJV 1 John 5:7 textus receptus manuscript were not in other older manuscripts which existed before the 16th century...

This is a screenshot of one manuscript older than the textus receptus manuscript..

Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky:
jcross19:
lol!!!!! what's the difference between Theos and theon that's my question not logos as you said.
Tov Theon mean "the God" a reference to the Almighty God ONLY). for instance John 14:1. John 20:17 and John 1:1.
"the God" tov Theon of John 1:1 is NOT Jesus Christ.


Theo's mean "God",a reference to man,God Almighty, angels, Satan& Jesus. 2cor4:4. 1cor8:5-6.

Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by jcross19: 7:50pm On Apr 08, 2020
Janosky:
Tov Theon mean "the God" a reference to the Almighty God ONLY). for instance John 14:1. John 20:17 and John 1:1.
"the God" tov Theon of John 1:1 is NOT Jesus Christ.


Theo's mean "God",a reference to man,God Almighty, angels, Satan& Jesus. 2cor4:4. 1cor8:5-6.
very God! I think it's clear to you now? now when a minister represents president in an occasions , if they want to make a report about the occasion and who are they going to say that visited the occasion on news daily?.
Re: Jesus Is God, Luke 10:22. Have You Study This? by Janosky: 11:59pm On Apr 08, 2020
Bible Research > Textual Criticism > Johannine Comma
The Johannine Comma
(1 John 5:7-cool
The so-called Johannine Comma (also called the Comma Johanneum) is a sequence of extra words which appear in 1 John 5:7-8 in some early printed editions of the Greek New Testament. In these editions the verses appear thus (we put backets around the extra words):

ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες [ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ] τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν.

The King James Version, which was based upon these editions, gives the following translation:

For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

These extra words are generally absent from the Greek manuscripts. In fact, they only appear in the text of four late medieval manuscripts. They seem to have originated as a marginal note added to certain Latin manuscripts during the middle ages, which was eventually incorporated into the text of most of the later Vulgate manuscripts. In the Clementine edition of the Vulgate the verses were printed thus:

Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant [in caelo: Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus: et hi tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra:] spiritus, et aqua, et sanguis: et hi tres unum sunt.

From the Vulgate, then, it seems that the Comma was translated into Greek and inserted into some printed editions of the Greek text, and in a handful of late Greek manuscripts. All scholars consider it to be spurious, and it is not included in modern critical editions of the Greek text, or in the English versions based upon them. For example, the English Standard Version reads:

For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

We give below the comments of Dr. Bruce M. Metzger on 1 John 5:7-8, from his book, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, 2nd ed. (Stuttgart, 1993).

After μαρτυροῦντες the Textus Receptus adds the following: ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ. That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain in the light of the following considerations.

(A) External Evidence.
(1) The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except eight, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a translation from a late recension of the Latin Vulgate. Four of the eight manuscripts contain the passage as a variant reading written in the margin as a later addition to the manuscript. The eight manuscripts are as follows:

61: codex Montfortianus, dating from the early sixteenth century.
88: a variant reading in a sixteenth century hand, added to the fourteenth-century codex Regius of Naples.
221: a variant reading added to a tenth-century manuscript in the Bodleian Library at Oxford.
429: a variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Wolfenbüttel.
629: a fourteenth or fifteenth century manuscript in the Vatican.
636: a variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Naples.
918: a sixteenth-century manuscript at the Escorial, Spain.
2318: an eighteenth-century manuscript, influenced by the Clementine Vulgate, at Bucharest, Rumania.
(2) The passage is quoted by none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran Council in 1215.

(3) The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate (b) as issued by Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied a.d. 541-46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before a.d. 716]) or (c) as revised by Alcuin (first hand of codex Vallicellianus [ninth century]).

The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation that may have been written first as a marginal note that afterwards found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2.17; 4.3; 5.6, and 20.)

(B) Internal Probabilities.
(1) As regards transcriptional probability, if the passage were original, no good reason can be found to account for its omission, either accidentally or intentionally, by copyists of hundreds of Greek manuscripts, and by translators of ancient versions.

(2) As regards intrinsic probability, the passage makes an awkward break in the sense.

For the story of how the spurious words came to be included in the Textus Receptus, see any critical commentary on 1 John, or Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, pp. 101 f.; cf. also Ezra Abbot, "I. John v. 7 and Luther's German Bible," in The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel and Other Critical Essays (Boston, 1888), pp. 458-463...
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