jpphilips:


Kenya got a Cobra to fight Alshabab, so the US would've considered selling to Nigeria if we asked, Jonathan's administration had a lot of money unfortunately the guy has the IQ of a housefly with a PhD.

Toju200:

the russkies with their Sukhois are they winning in Syria..
ISIS destroyed three yesterday in Syria I'm case u don't know

Salatavor:
Oga are you even reading what they wrote... They said they want to buy an innocent cargo plane and ask Denel of SA to convert into a bad ass fighting machine and you are talking of AC130 are you not the same person that said we can't buy armed platforms from the west. The C130 can be sold to Nigeria by even countries within the North Allied treaty and can be retrofitted for combat roles here in Africa or the UAE.

kabe1:


You make a ridiculous statement about the airforce fielding only Alpha Jets, when presented with evidence to the contrary to dispute your false claims, you jump into a rant.

I don't care about your long epistle or your insignificant opinion.

Try and make factual comments, that's all I'm asking you.

jpphilips:



If Nigeria ever shares accurate casualty figures, you will change your nationality to Burkinafaso.

Odunayaw:
You can't put any weapon on a C130 without getting a hard stare and barking from the US.

Jln115, Denel had one gunship project before, care to post for educational purposes.

Memo to the house: There's no C130 gunship or equivalent coming to Nigeria, enough fantasies

Odunayaw:
I don't see why we can't do this to to the Ezugwu

jln115:

The only Gunship project i know about was the Helicopter Gunship project which led to the development of the Rooivalk

Came across this paper by Andrew Glendinning. A long-ish read but well worth it.

A South African Heavy Gunship?

Saab’s JAS 39 Gripen, which in both the C and D variants, is the South African Air Force’s (SAAF) premier multirole jet fighter aircraft. But considering a hypothetical weaponised form of long-range, low-cost gunship is an interesting thought experiment away from the realm of hi-tech fighter jets. A heavy gunship is essentially a well-armed ground-attack aircraft. The only real example of such a concept is the United States Air Force, where weaponised variants of civilian aircraft fill valuable, niche roles. The gunship’s primary missions are close air support, air interdiction and armed reconnaissance. Other missions include perimeter and point defence; escort, landing, drop and extraction zone support; forward air control, limited command and control, and combat search and rescue. These heavily armed aircraft incorporate side-firing cannons integrated with sophisticated sensor, navigation and fire control systems to provide surgical firepower or area saturation fire during extended periods, at night and in adverse weather.

The gunship was proven during the Vietnam War, where Gen John Ryan, USAF Chief of Staff, noted that side-firing gunships are “one of the most successful developments arising from our experience in Southeast Asia.” Colonel Ron Terry, a former fighter pilot who led the charge in the early 1960s to develop the AC-47 and its successors, points out today that the gunships have been one of the most “effective things the United States has had for engagements in Panama, Grenada, and Afghanistan.”

The reason this particular concept is worth keeping in mind is that it is well within reach for the South African Air Force to create a local version of a heavy gunship. Denel for instance currently produces a low recoil 105 mm howitzer (known as the Light Experimental Ordinance [LEO]), a 30 mm cannon and a rapid fire 25 mm cannon. All of these weapons platforms could easily be integrated into a civilian aircraft of similar size as an AC47. As for fire control systems, there are a number of defence companies in South Africa which would almost certainly be able to provide the system with an integrated fire control unit, target acquisition capabilities as well as the necessary surveillance equipment needed for hypothetical mission use in the African battle-space. There are aircraft, which in the long-term, may be more than capable of assuming the role of a heavy gunship. One aircraft in particular, which came to light when the South African government cancelled its participation in the Airbus A400M programme, is the KC-390 aircraft under development by the Brazilian aerospace manufacturer Embraer.
This platform would be ideal, in that it is a large, modern jet powered transport aircraft, capable of lifting an estimated 21 tonnes. South Africa would also be likely to acquire KC-390’s from Brazil for the express purpose of converting them into heavy gunships, as South Africa and Brazil have enjoyed a highly fruitful relationship while jointly developing the 5th generation A-Darter air-to air missile. Therefore, it begs the question, assuming the conversion is indeed possible, what exactly would the SAAF be able to do with such a system, and what would be the benefits of possessing such significant airborne firepower? The answer is quite simple. The SAAF would be able to use a single type of aircraft to plug existing holes in its operational capabilities. For instance, with a similar electronic surveillance suit to a USAF equivalent, this includes advanced avionics, radar, high-resolution imaging systems, Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) capabilities and magnetic anomaly detector (MAD). The MAD is a highly sensitive passive device with a phased-array antenna which could pick up localised deviations in earth’s magnetic field which is used to detect submerged submarines.

If all of these capabilities are included on the weaponised version of the KC 390, it could be used to fulfil the maritime recognisance gap which is a significant requirement for the SAAF at present. It could also be used in a variety of border patrol missions and to provide precise tactical firepower where ever needed, particularly to SANDF personnel deployed on peace keeping operations in Africa. It is this factor, the ability to provide long range heavy fire support to deployed infantry and mobile units, that has served the USAF so well over the years and would as such, be a useful future capability for the aircraft to undertake with the SAAF. It is the inherent flexibility of the system, from providing close air support to infantry, while also being able to hunt submarines, act as a long range airborne tank killer, and complete a variety of surveillance missions that makes this type of aircraft so attractive. It can also be used under certain circumstances as a platform for paratroopers and as a transport aircraft; however this may only be a limited possibility in emergency situations.

In addition the heavy gunship configuration of a KC-390 acting as a combat support aircraft may well outperform most of the SAAF’s existing platforms, including the Gripen, the Hawk or the Rooivalk. This is due to the fact that each of these three systems faces some severe limitations, in terms of operational range, the size of each aircraft’s armaments payload, and in the case of the Rooivalk, both speed and its operational ceiling. Take for instance the SAAF Gripen, the SAAF’s premier combat aircraft. Each aircraft has an effective range of around 800km, and with current budgetary and technical constraints, can only accommodate an ordinance payload of a few unguided bombs and the laser guided Paveway II bomb, a few hundred 27mm cannon shells, and Denel’s air-to-air missile, the A-Darter. From a brass-tacks perspective, the use of a weaponised KC 390 will yield benefits in munitions expenditure. For instance the SAAF Gripen carries the Paveway II laser guided bomb. Each Paveway II, weighs in at around 227 kg, and costs somewhere in the region of US$ 19,000. Whereas even the largest calibre ammunition the AC-130 carries, the 15.1 kg 105 mm shell, in its High Explosive configuration costs somewhere in the region of US$ 160. Therefore, each Paveway II buys the SAAF, 102 high explosive 105mm shells.

This is not to suggest that the weaponised KC-390 would replace the Gripens. However what it would do is to add a significant set of capabilities to the SAAF, which when used in combination with the Gripens and the Rooivalks would create a formidable airborne force. Of course it must be said that this is an interesting concept, and could, with a little foresight and the right sort of budgetary expansion provide the SAAF with a whole host of new capabilities. However it must be recognised that the viability of such a system would likely only be a reality in the next 20 years or so. In the meantime, there are far more pressing needs, and budgetary constraints that simply would not allow for the development of an entirely new combat platform, at this point. The concept of a heavy gunship for the SAAF has a variety of benefits, and obvious advantages over a variety of competing aircraft. It could also serve as a potentially significant export earner for the South African defence industry. However, it will likely remain an interesting concept to be considered by military planners, but ultimately unlikely to see the light of day until the SAAF sees a significant increase in its budget. ENDS


And now for my little contribution: Apart from the 105mm howitzer, 30mm & 25mm cannons, in the pics are some of the existing SA weapons systems we could include for a truly modular system.

N.B. Yes, yes I know about the jet engine...

S400:


any link please ? , cant find the news on google

BlackBaron:
New uploaded Proforce videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJf9rdORoW0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dInGi4QWAHk

slimthugchimee2:


Beautiful Ara beast

Best MRAP in Africa

By the way how many units were ordered? How many have we received?

Salatavor:
shey you see now. You see that this your last comment has somehow made our procurement plan look very ineffective. If 3 battle hardened Sukhois manned by the Russians themselves who made the jets got destroyed on battle who is to say that your 3 calamity JF17 jets from Pakistan will last a month in the Nigerian NE battle fields?

blacKDalia:
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/boko-haram-chadian-govt-dismisses-recent-onslaught-by-president-deby/

Toju200:
h ...twitter....

rka2:


https://punchng.com/chadian-forces-not-occupying-nigerian-territory-in-lake-chad-army/

Our Keyboard warriors won't see this.

GabrielYulaw:


Lol. In my opinion the F-22 Raptor is the best plane ever built bar none. No other jet even comes close to it. This is all the more remarkable considering it is not even new and was released decades ago.
The JSF on the other hand... If you read my earlier write up, I said the JSF is "supposedly" better. I don't agree with that assessment at all, but who am I to question the wisdom of the Pentagon.
As for gunships, we don't need very elaborate ones. It merely needs to have FLIR so it can work at night, a kind of Firefinder radar for detecting gunshots and long range for loitering over the battlefield. It would be best to use it at night since the terrorists won't be able to see it then. It should have some armor too and must be heavily armed with bombs and cannons.

Whyem15:

Because they it is the cheaper way to achieve the victory they want. US will leave totally, taliban will become a legal political party again and be sure that they will rule Afghanistan again very soon.

Just wish we will be getting some surveillance and reconnaissance equipment soon

GabrielYulaw:


America, a weak enemy? Lol.

From what I can see the Taliban are not and have never been serious about negotiations. I remember reading an intelligence briefing to that effect, but then anyone could easily see that.

So, why are the Taliban negotiating? Mainly to bamboozle, and to show their power.

Remember the almighty US has endlessly said it would never ever negotiate with terrorists. Then imagine them going cap in hand to negotiate with some sandal-wearing towelheads who can't count up to 100 but can reassemble an AK 47 blindfolded.

So, the negotiations are a great propaganda coup for the Taliban. They will cheerfully negotiate an end to American occupation and agree to share power with the Afghan government. Once the Americans are gone they will reopen their offensive and make Afghanistan theirs once again.
They agreed to negotiate because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

GabrielYulaw:


It's not him that called it a failure. Everyone knows it's a failure. Even Trump the great idiot based his campaign on bringing the troops home and ending America's misadventures in the middle east.

0.3% KIA sounds really nice. Except if your brother or sister was included in that kill statistic.

Consider, the war in Afghanistan has damaged the US almost beyond the point of recovery. It has spent trillions of dollars prosecuting this war and has precious little to show for it. Its civil infrastructure is in shambles because there's no money to fix these, since war consumes money like crazy.

What the above statistics don't show is that quite a few service men and women stuffer from PTSD. They act crazy and do the craziest things and the cost of treating them is astronomical.

The war in Afghanistan has also massively degraded the US war fighting abilities. While it was focusing on fighting towelheads, the Chinese were massively growing their army and navy and the Russians were getting bolder and acting out.

Reports of massacres and torture by US forces also does its reputation no good and makes it look hypocritical when it lectures other countries on human rights.

The US war on terror is a failure with no clear goal or objective. The only thing it has to show for it is millions of deaths and unimaginable devastation. The Taliban they invaded Afghanistan to remove will be back in charge of that country very soon.

Odunayaw:
You think planes are a bunch of leggos that you just strap things as you like?

rka2:


https://punchng.com/chadian-forces-not-occupying-nigerian-territory-in-lake-chad-army/

Our Keyboard warriors won't see this.

jpphilips:


If 0.3% KIA in 19yrs is a failure by your standards, can you share with us your success statistics standard of any 19yrs conflict since the history of mankind.

pacretus:
you lack common sense and your emotional rant should be channelled to the right authorities, we are neither your father nor your leaders to be at the receiving end of your tantrums.

Your 3 calamity is among the best in sub Sahara.(for years we have lived with the lies that we are a giant nation when in facts we are very small with a national + state budget not up to half of Southafrica and same with a nation of just 47 million people.

If we didn't go for the Chinese fighters you will be among those typing nonsense. If we got just block 1 without wasting so much time for a better version of the fighters, you'll still be the one to spew nonsense. This is the country we found ourselves with inept leaders, we have lost hope in the GOVT but must also commend their little efforts. What ever you have to say has been said over 4years ago on this thread, nothing new. So calm down and stop acting like a baby.jeez!!!

bidex111:



First saw the news on Twitter.

kabe1:


Oshey.......Keyboard commandos!!!!

They won't see this.

When presented with facts, @Komken and his buddies....