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Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:


WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??
WHO is not stupid, WHO knows that mask will become starce and people will start making substandard ones. Who also knows that making mask inaccessible for health workers will spell doom for everyone. WHO knows that it won’t work on a long term basis.

America that has made mask compulsory, they still top every other country in terms of prevalence. It goes beyond just telling everyone to use mask. It doesn’t work that way.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 12:20pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:


WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??
Even China that produces 50% of all global face mask had face mask shortage and didn’t employ compulsory face mask policy across the board.

W.H.O knows what they are saying, just wash your hand frequently and use hand sanitizers. Face mask usage is not sustainable and can cause more harm. Leave for those who need it most: the health workers and suck people
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 12:30pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:


WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??

Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ChristianNorth: 12:54pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
You are a foool.

What benefit is there in using face mask when it cannot n be available for everyone and the usage can’t be sustained. She ode ni eleyi ni? It’s people like you who can’t even use mask correct, oponu

Typical African illiterate that can’t think. Oya Goan be using mask like idioot without first analyzing the holistic impact na.
so we should stop using the mask abi?

You guys need help.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ChristianNorth: 12:57pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
I think WHO makes more sense in terms of long term and holistic effect.
We don’t have the capacity to make standard masks and sustain it, it will be futile.
You fullish sha.

Standardized mask? You need help. Any moisture absorbent mask can do.

Even if the mask reduces the spread by 0.000000001%, it is something.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:02pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:

You fullish sha.

Standardized mask? You need help. Any moisture absorbent mask can do.

Even if the mask reduces the spread by 0.000000001%, it is something.
is not something. Standard is standard, don’t bring Nigerian mentality of compromising standard into it.

It has to be able to filter viruses or it’s nothing.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:02pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:

so we should stop using the mask abi?

You guys need help.
That’s the link to assess the full study
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2589-5370%2820%2930073-0

Go through the study. It will educate you.

Face mask policy for all will cause more harm than good. Bye
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:03pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:

so we should stop using the mask abi?

You guys need help.
Yes, compulsory fave mask policy is the height of stupidity for a country than can’t produce anything. Even China with 50% global face makes production capacity has problems with that policy. They had to restrict it to endemic areas, not to talk of Nigeria.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ChristianNorth: 1:04pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
is not something. Standard is standard, don’t bring Nigerian mentality of compromising standard into it.

It has to be able to filter viruses or it’s nothing.
I thought I was dealing with a human.

Fvck off please.

We shall defeat Corona virus to the utter shame of it's sympathizers
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:05pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:

I thought I was dealing with a human.

Fvck off please.

We shall defeat Corona virus to the utter shame of it's sympathizers
shut up and read yourself out of ignorance.

Read the research link that was shared. Learn how to read
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by sapientia(m): 1:07pm On Apr 22, 2020
obi4eze:

LASG is better

Anyone and everyone should wear mask during this period.

This your pix explains everything I have been saying.

Even fake one is better than nothing at all.

Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ChristianNorth: 1:07pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
shut up and read yourself out of ignorance.

Read the research link that was shared. Learn how to read
Which stupid research?

The only study I am interested in is the one that states global mask wearing will reduce the spread to 1.5%

That is over 98.5% prevention rate.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:09pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:

Which stupid research?

The only study I am interested in is the one that states global mask wearing will reduce the spread to 1.5%

That is over 98.5% prevention rate.
it will reduce it if the masks will be available. It won’t be available and you will put health workers at risk.

Read the research, learn how to read.

The highest producers of face mask couldn’t even sustain the face mask policy.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ChristianNorth: 1:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
it will reduce it if the masks will be available. It won’t be available and you will put health workers at risk.

Read the research, learn how to read.

The highest producers of face mask couldn’t even sustain the face mask policy.
.
Meaning we should now expose everyone to the virus abi?

It doesn't cost anything to produce mask. If we could produce clothes for the entire nation, we can also do the same for masks.

We mustn't produce surgical masks for everyone. We can reserve that for the frontline workers and produce non-surgical masks for the populace.

It will reduce the spread of the virus and it is better than leaving everyone vulnerable.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by PoliteActivist: 1:30pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
Even China that produces 50% of all global face mask had face mask shortage and didn’t employ compulsory face mask policy across the board.

W.H.O knows what they are saying, just wash your hand frequently and use hand sanitizers. Face mask usage is not sustainable and can cause more harm. Leave for those who need it most: the health workers and suck people

I wonder why people like u can't think beyond official pronouncements. Here's what WHO said:
1) sick people should wear masks to avoid spreading
2) but we concede people who are not sick can also spread the virus

How on earth can the logical conclusion be:
3) therefore the best way is for only sick people to wear masks.
Also how about the stigma of telling everyone u r sick by wearing a mask?
Clearly, only one logical solution:
EVERYBODY WEARS MASKS!!!
The below is from the same article u quoted

Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:36pm On Apr 22, 2020
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PoliteActivist:


I wonder why people like u can't think beyond official pronouncements. Here's what WHO said:
1) sick people should wear masks to avoid spreading
2) but we concede people who are not sick can also spread the virus

How on earth can the logical conclusion be:
3) therefore the best way is for only sick people to wear masks.
Also how about the stigma of telling everyone u r sick by wearing a mask?
Clearly, only one logical solution:
EVERYBODY WEARS MASKS!!!
The below is from the same article u quoted[/s]
Are you daft or something?

Did you just read that mask policy is a dead sentence? Why can’t we just think in Nigeria?
Does your village have factories to produce mask for everyone constantly?

Stupid people just want to wear mask for protection, wise people will strategize within limited resources for our collective benefit.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 1:37pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
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Meaning we should now expose everyone to the virus abi?

It doesn't cost anything to produce mask. If we could produce clothes for the entire nation, we can also do the same for masks.

We mustn't produce surgical masks for everyone. We can reserve that for the frontline workers and produce non-surgical masks for the populace.

It will reduce the spread of the virus and it is better than leaving everyone vulnerable.
we Can’t sustain constant mask production. Leave it for health workers

Just wash your hand with soap constantly.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by PoliteActivist: 2:04pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
[s] Are you daft or something?

Did you just read that mask policy is a dead sentence? Why can’t we just think in Nigeria?
Does your village have factories to produce mask for everyone constantly?

Stupid people just want to wear mask for protection, wise people will strategize within limited resources for our collective benefit.


CAN SOMEONE ELSE READING THIS HELP ME TALK SESE INTO THIS GUY!!!

Everybody wears clothes despite limited resources! Can't this guy see that Aba alone can produce all the face-covering Nigeria needs (it is called face covering, not masks, for a reason). Can someone tell this guy that if nothing else it prevents people from touching their faces!! WHO said "limited resources" and he can't get beyond that. Audio limited resources!!
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 4:40pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:


CAN SOMEONE ELSE READING THIS HELP ME TALK SESE INTO THIS GUY!!!

Everybody wears clothes despite limited resources! Can't this guy see that Aba alone can produce all the face-covering Nigeria needs (it is called face covering, not masks, for a reason). Can someone tell this guy that if nothing else it prevents people from touching their faces!! WHO said "limited resources" and he can't get beyond that. Audio limited resources!!
Theres no point bickering any further. I will come to this post to remind you when it starts.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by PoliteActivist: 9:47pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
Theres no point bickering any further. I will come to this post to remind you when it starts.

Remind me when what starts?? My man there is NO DOWNSIDE to people covering their noses. One, it removes stigma from the sick who have to do it. Secondly, it prevents people from touching their faces.
W.H.O. has gotten many things wrong, this is one of them
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely: 5:44am On Apr 23, 2020
PoliteActivist:


Remind me when what starts?? My man there is NO DOWNSIDE to people covering their noses. One, it removes stigma from the sick who have to do it. Secondly, it prevents people from touching their faces.
W.H.O. has gotten many things wrong, this is one of them
We shall see, I will so make fun of you because I’m sure it won’t solve our problems. You are only being myopic in your thinking. Just like every average person will.
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by PoliteActivist: 11:58am On Apr 23, 2020
ThinkFreely:
We shall see, I will so make fun of you because I’m sure it won’t solve our problems. You are only being myopic in your thinking. Just like every average person will.

You lost the argument despite being the one who opened the thread. All u have is W.H.O., zero ability to think for yourself.
QED
Re: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by Sadsoulnow: 12:55pm On Apr 23, 2020
ThinkFreely:
Lagos state Government: Use of face mask will be made compulsory from next week.

W.H.O: face make should only be used by frontline health workers and sick people.

Who do we listen to? After consulting several health practitioners and experts, now let’s look at these arguments carefully.

It’s true that correct usage of face mask will give you a level of protection against the virus and that if everyone can use it correctly alongside constant washing of your hands, we can collectively win the battle. This is the argument of Lagos state government.

W.H.O argued that face masks should be reserved for frontline health workers and sick people because if everyone starts using them, the commodity will become scarce, prices will be hiked and in the end it might only be available for those who can afford it and this can affect the availability for health workers (it’s very important we protect them).
They also argued that the scarcity might force the production of substandard face masks (a standard face mask that should protect against the virus should be made with fluid resistant materials and a filtration effectiveness of 0.5microns). We are already seeing this as people have started making face masks in Aba without proper regulations and tailors have started making them with “Aso oke”.

Let’s look at both argument holistically.

Is it true that a “standard face mask” can protect you when used correctly combined regular hand washing? Yes

If everyone starts using face mask, demand will be higher than supply and it’s an economic law that price will increase. Is this sustainable? Well you can answer that by yourself.

Do we have the facilities to sustain the production of standard face masks? No

Using substandard face masks can give you false impression of protection? Yes

If face masks become scarce, are we risking the lives of our health workers? Yes

What is the sustainability of making face mask compulsory for everyone? Very slim, if we can’t sustain it then everything becomes futile and counterproductive.

Do we have a standard face mask production factory in Nigeria? From all I know “no”

Using face mask is good, it can be productive if the government can consider the holistic effect knowing fully well that it’s a a collective fight. Making face mask available for a few set of people and others don’t get access to it afterwards or forcing people to use disposable face mask beyond the stipulated period of usage because of scarcity is counterproductive. The government need to look for ways to make them available at all times. If the issues of scarcity, price hike and appropriate usage can be dealt with then we are good but if otherwise, compulsory usage of face masks might become counterproductive.

Know that, if you wear a standard face mask and every other person doesn’t then we can’t win it, you are still at risk. It’s a collective fight.
In my opinion I think the compulsory use of face mask will go a long way to help,whether substandard or not,because it will also stop the infected people from coughing on air,which is one way people can easily spread it..

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