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Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by omonnakoda: 7:10pm On Apr 26, 2020
Ayilara1:
Lastly, know that Islam is a complete religion. So, if you meet a Muslim that can give you answers to your Question know that they don't have knowledge.

Truth will always humble lies.
I have taken time to study the Quran. I have read it over 500 times.
I have read it daily for years.it is useful for entertainment
I know the Quran more than most Muslims
It is full of contradictions and is clearly fictional.

Anyway
What does this mean

And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk
, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise. (4)
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by omonnakoda: 7:21pm On Apr 26, 2020
Ayilara1:
Wooooo

You don win, have heard everything
No you don't know Islam


Tabari VIII:4: “One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.”


If you do you will understand that the five daily prayers are going to an

UNREACHABLE NUMBER
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by 9jaRealist: 9:22am On Apr 27, 2020
WORDWORLD:
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Growing up in the UK, I had been unofficially flogged (in the US, it’s called paddling)... cool

There’s work to be done in Nigeria, but women have been driving since the 1940s, women were at the 1950s constitutional conferences leading to Nigeria’s Independence, women have been in Nigerian Parliaments since the 1950s before Independence, Nigeria has had a female Chief Justice (acting), female CBN Governor (acting), female Speaker of the House of Representatives, at least 20 female university Vice-Chancellors, female CEOs and chairpersons, scores of female ministers, ambassadors, senators and representatives, even briefly a female Governor - while in Saudi Arabia a female cannot leave her house without a male blood relative or male ‘guardian’s’ permission (including from her own sons)!

You are busy celebrating women being “allowed” to drive in the 21st century (about 80 years after women in Nigeria were driving - and Nigerian women didn’t have to ask permission to do so), when they can do so ONLY with the prior express permission of a male ‘guardian’ - while Nigerian women have been flying commercial airplanes (including wide-bodied aircraft) since the early-1980s. Meanwhile, let’s not forget that the woman who led the campaign for Saudi women to drive (Loujain al-Hathloul) was arrested in 2018 (before lifting of the ban took effect) and is still in prison till date (about 2 years later) on unspecified charges, and has reportedly been repeatedly tortured. Some enlightened “progress” indeed!

As we write this, Saudi women cannot try on dresses in shops, have to use different public transportation and for the most part different entrances from men, and cannot seat with men in those few public gatherings they are allowed to attend. Saudi women cannot get passports or travel with the permission of a male ‘guardian’, and are not allowed to study abroad unless they are accompanied by a male blood relative throughout the period of their studies. All these of course pale into insignificance when pitied against the fact that this is a country that luxuriates in PUBLIC EXECUTION AND BEHEADINGS (with about 134 such public executions last year alone). SMH
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Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by 9jaRealist: 9:24am On Apr 27, 2020
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody: 10:01am On Apr 27, 2020

Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody:

Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody:
9jaRealist:
Growing up in the UK, I had been unofficially flogged (in the US, it’s called paddling)... cool

There’s work to be done in Nigeria, but women have been driving since the 1940s, women were at the 1950s constitutional conferences leading to Nigeria’s Independence, women have been in Nigerian Parliaments since the 1950s before Independence, Nigeria has had a female Chief Justice (acting), female CBN Governor (acting), female Speaker of the House of Representatives, at least 20 female university Vice-Chancellors, female CEOs and chairpersons, scores of female ministers, ambassadors, senators and representatives, even briefly a female Governor - while in Saudi Arabia a female cannot leave her house without a male blood relative or male ‘guardian’s’ permission (including from her own sons)!

You are busy celebrating women being “allowed” to drive in the 21st century (about 80 years after women in Nigeria were driving - and Nigerian women didn’t have to ask permission to do so), when they can do so ONLY with the prior express permission of a male ‘guardian’ - while Nigerian women have been flying commercial airplanes (including wide-bodied aircraft) since the early-1980s. Meanwhile, let’s not forget that the woman who led the campaign for Saudi women to drive (Loujain al-Hathloul) was arrested in 2018 (before lifting of the ban took effect) and is still in prison till date (about 2 years later) on unspecified charges, and has reportedly been repeatedly tortured. Some enlightened “progress” indeed!

As we write this, Saudi women cannot try on dresses in shops, have to use different public transportation and for the most part different entrances from men, and cannot seat with men in those few public gatherings they are allowed to attend. Saudi women cannot get passports or travel with the permission of a male ‘guardian’, and are not allowed to study abroad unless they are accompanied by a male blood relative throughout the period of their studies. All these of course pale into insignificance when pitied against the fact that this is a country that luxuriates in PUBLIC EXECUTION AND BEHEADINGS (with about 134 such public executions last year alone). SMH
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Don't worry I will get back to you and you will realise that all that you have written above MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL unless if every other country is a PERFECTION OF HUMANITY and only Saudi Arabia is not.

And since you have mentioned the United States of America. I can start with that country and we shall see how fair they have been to their citizens irrespective of race and gender since over 200 years of independence.

Is driving a right or a privilege?

Going by OBJECTIVITY and not SENTIMENT what is the 2020 crime index of countries around the world. Which country fairs better, the UK, the U.S.A or Saudi Arabia?!!! And why?!!!
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by omonnakoda: 1:41pm On Apr 27, 2020
WORDWORLD:
Don't worry I will get back to you and you will realise that all that you have written above MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL unless if every other country is a PERFECTION OF HUMANITY and only Saudi Arabia is not.

And since you have mentioned the United States of America. I can start with that country and we shall see how fair they have been to their citizens irrespective of race and gender since over 200 years of independence.

Is driving a right or a privilege?

Going by OBJECTIVITY and not SENTIMENT what is the 2020 crime index of countries around the world. Which country fairs better, the UK, the U.S.A or Saudi Arabia?!!! And why?!!!
There is no such objectivity as crime index because the methodology used in collecting data is not the same
Also what is crime in one country is not necessarily crime in another e.g blasphemy and witchcraft are crimes in Saudi Arabia
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody:
omonnakoda:
There is no such objectivity as crime index because the methodology used in collecting data is not the same
Also what is crime in one country is not necessarily crime in another e.g blasphemy and witchcraft are crimes in Saudi Arabia
Of course there is objectivity as crime index based on COMMON VARIABLES which defines the data that is meant to be collected. All that is needed is to make a range of crimes that is Universal and work within such parameters. IT IS CALLED SCOPE OF WORK AND LIMITATIONS IN RESEARCH. As simple as A,B,C

Mention one country in the whole wide world where RAPE is not a crime?!!!

What about MURDER?!!!

I can go on and on with objective variables that fits all Universally springing no sentiments at all.

Can you come up with a country that sees RAPE as not a crime? grin

What about ARMED ROBBERY?!!! There are functional methods in data collection which gives us results that are very close to being ABSOLUTE.
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by omonnakoda: 2:27pm On Apr 27, 2020
WORDWORLD:
Of course there is objectivity in crime index based on COMMON GROUNDS which defines the data that is meant to be collected. All that is needed is to make a range of crimes that is Universal and work within such parameters. IT IS CALLED SCOPE OF WORK AND LIMITATIONS IN RESEARCH. As simple as A,B,C

Mention one country in the whole wide world where RAPE is not a crime?!!!

What about HOMICIDE?!!!

I can go on and on with objective variables that fits all Universally springing no sentiments at all.

Can you come up with a country that sees RAPE as not a crime? grin

What about ARMED ROBBERY?!!!
Try and talk like someone who went to school?

Are rape and armed robbery the only crimes do yo you have any evidence to show that crimes are recorded with the same methodology in all countries?
Rape is a crime in all countries but the definition of rape is not the same. In some countries rape can happen, by definition between husband and wife.,not in all. The threshold of evidence to secure a rape conviction is very different across jurisdictions . Even the testimony of a woman is not equal to that of a man in some places

There is nothing like range of crimes that is Universal and even if there were such methodology would not be valid.
Mammals have a range of characteristics that are universal like breasts and so on but goats are not pigs and humans are not gorillas
Those crimes that are not universal cannot be ignored.

In many countries rape is underreported for many complex reasons.
You are the one who talked about crime and now you are shifting the goalposts mentioning individual crimes.
There is no scientific basis for your armchair assertions.
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Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody:
omonnakoda:
Try and talk like someone who went to school?

Are rape and armed robbery the only crimes do yo you have any evidence to show that crimes are recorded with the same methodology in all countries?
Rape is a crime in all countries but the definition of rape is not the same. In some countries rape can happen, by definition between husband and wife.,not in all. The threshold of evidence to secure a rape conviction is very different across jurisdictions . Even the testimony of a woman is not equal to that of a man in some places

There is nothing like range of crimes that is Universal and even if there were such methodology would not be valid.
Mammals have a range of characteristics that are universal like breasts and so on but goats are not pigs and humans are not gorillas
Those crimes that are not universal cannot be ignored.

In many countries rape is underreported for many complex reasons.
You are the one who talked about crime and now you are shifting the goalposts mentioning individual crimes.
There is no scientific basis for your armchair assertions.
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YOU HAVE MADE A LAUGHING STOCK OF SCIENCE . grin
There was no shifting of goal post but an explanation because of your lack of understanding. All that you have mentioned above are called limitations in research, which are put into consideration during data collection.

Science is not an ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE it works within limitations because it is handicapped as you have described above grin. Hence, the limitations remains our choice of approval as 'FACTS' since an absolute can't be achieved.
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by omonnakoda: 3:16pm On Apr 27, 2020
WORDWORLD:
YOU HAVE MADE A LAUGHING STOCK OF SCIENCE . grin
There was no shifting of goal post but an explanation because of your lack of understanding. All that you have mentioned above are called limitations in research, which are put into consideration during data collection.

Science is not an ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE it works within limitations because it is handicapped as you have described above grin. Hence, the limitations remains our choice of approval as 'FACTS' since an absolute can't be achieved.
In your eyes you have a brain
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Nobody: 3:18pm On Apr 27, 2020
omonnakoda:
In your eyes you have a brain
grin After making a laughing stock of science?!!! Eyah.
And yes I have a working brain.

Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by 9jaRealist:
WORDWORLD:
Don't worry I will get back to you and you will realise that all that you have written above MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL unless if every other country is a PERFECTION OF HUMANITY and only Saudi Arabia is not.

And since you have mentioned the United States of America. I can start with that country and we shall see how fair they have been to their citizens irrespective of race and gender since over 200 years of independence.

Is driving a right or a privilege?

Going by OBJECTIVITY and not SENTIMENT what is the 2020 crime index of countries around the world. Which country fairs better, the UK, the U.S.A or Saudi Arabia?!!! And why?!!!
Why stop there?

Is voting a right (given that not every citizen is allowed to vote)?
So why not similarly prohibit Nigerian women from voting while only men vote?

Heck, since driving is not a right...
Why not prohibit the Ibos and Fulani from driving, and only reserve it for certain ethnicities?

Whether or not something is a privilege...
A civilized society does not grant or deny that privilege solely on the basis of gender.

Only a backwards feudalist society (or the feudalist religious industry) does that. SMH.

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Meanwhile, while jungle justice may occur in Nigeria (and in other nations)...
The difference is that it is NOT state-sanctioned, not state law, not by state action nor state policy. In fact, it is CRIMINAL!
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Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by 9jaRealist: 9:46am On Apr 28, 2020
omonnakoda:
There is no such objectivity as crime index because the methodology used in collecting data is not the same
Also what is crime in one country is not necessarily crime in another e.g blasphemy and witchcraft are crimes in Saudi Arabia
BLESS YOU!

But I suspect you are wasting time with him...
Statutory rape in the US would be a religiously-sanctioned copulation in Saudi Arabia.

Furthermore, there’s nothing like spousal rape in Saudi Arabia...
And other rapes have to proven by a ridiculous burden of proof weighted against women.

A misogynist’s paradise! SMH
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Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by gaskiyamagana: 5:23am On Apr 30, 2020
decatalyst:
Shows how you were brought up...at least, retrain yourself nau huh
Once again, keep qwayet.
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by decatalyst(m): 2:37pm On Apr 30, 2020
gaskiyamagana:
Once again, keep qwayet.

Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by gaskiyamagana: 4:14pm On May 01, 2020
[quote author=decatalyst post=89027326][/quote]Every time I see dat picture, I imagine level of your wickedness to your child you are palm rubbing his head.
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by IyaTola: 6:21am On Jun 13, 2020
Musso16:
So ppl should now go n mess up their country with drugs and all sorts of illicit things right?
drop ya mail let's talk
Re: Saudi Arabia Abolishes Flogging As Punishment by Cousin9999: 6:52am On Jun 13, 2020
F**k Saudis.
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