ImperialYoruba:
In addition, I should let you know that any monarchy in Nigeria that coronates with sword has Yoruba roots.

In Africa, the throne of kingdoms are symbolized by SPEAR. When a King coronates he is handed a Spear. Cultures that do not have kingdoms or empires have MACHETTE. Go through African history and review the history of the ancient kingdoms and empires and you will see this commonality amongst all - the symbol of spear or machette.

There are exceptions.

Yoruba kingdoms and Empires coronate with swords. There is a history behind this. This is not the thread to tell it.

Never for once have I taken time to research this peculiar information on sword of Yoruba and African Spear. What does this mean? You actually brought a goldmine information that its worth is priceless. Yeshua bless you abundantly, imperialYoruba

otipoju:
You are not just feeling fine, you are actually not alright.

Anybody can claim anything.

I just laff while reading comments


Small benin when nor even pass 7 local govt is always arguing with two big tribe igbo and yoruba almost all the time, what these big tribe always do is to try to belittle the benin influence over them......

If only other south south or even other part of edo can join hands, and help the benin people fight for its rightful history, there will be no more call for distortion of history from the two big tribe
Anymore
Jeez,

The two big tribe try to make benin influence over
Them look more like social-economic relationships and not necessarily subjugation



Even the Europeans recorded there was no time benin ceased from fighting wars they were always in combat fighting either eternal or external war even the oba was once a warrior king


Again


The op aim was to exclude her tribe from benin influence only that she forgot to read her history properly, owo&, benin were like five and six in the past and even the duke of my village lost his life in the benin and owo war in the past, and as a result the stool still remain vacant till date


Although it is interesting seeing a 7local govt area arguing with the two big tribe if the benins were not colonized on time maybe it influenced would have stretch to the north

And the benins will be faced arguing with the 3 big tribe


All Benins should be proud because even till date benins have been moving the affairs of nigeria foward despite thier 7local govt area they have......

funmijoyb:
Pardon my grammatical blunders I'm not feeling fine

My dear, Owo at some point paid tribute. Proper Owo history doesn't even deny this. But mostly Owo and Benin saw each other as brothers.

True Owo was always much more autonomous. Never really strict tribute conditions as imposed on others. Many towns near Owo happily admit their mostly Benin links and Origin. Like Ipele/Upele, only 15km from Owo who admit being largely descendants of Oba Ozolua of Benin.

Cultural flow was mutual too between Owo and Benin. And of course marriages between royalties and nobility both ways.

If you listen to Orlando Owoh songs you will notice some Owo twangs in it, despite only his mother coming from Owo.

Even the monarchical system are pretty close.
Technically all of Eastern Yorubaaland was Benin sphere of influence. The rest belonged to Oyo up to North Central before the Jihadists took much territory from Oyo.

You will notice that Deji Arakale did not run to Owo in 1818. He knew no chance of protection there. Even the Ewi of Ado sent him packing quickly too

Note that Benin Empire was from 1440 to 1897. Growing and shrinking at times. Like Lagos lost to the British in 1850s. While Oyo empire was from 1680s to about 1830s. A much shorter period. A period of slave trade boom too.

As for Ife conquering everywhere, such are not recognised in Benin or Oyo. Both empires respect and admired fellow conquerors. Even Modakeke people next door to Ife would doubt such Ife conquest story.

I straddle both Owo and Benin so nothing to gain putting one above another.

AreaFada2:

My dear, Owo at some point paid tribute. Proper Owo history doesn't even deny this. But mostly Owo and Benin saw each other as brothers.

True Owo was always much more autonomous. Never really strict tribute conditions as imposed on others. Many towns near Owo happily admit their mostly Benin links and Origin. Like Ipele/Upele, only 15km from Owo who admit being largely descendants of Oba Ozolua of Benin.

Cultural flow was mutual too between Owo and Benin. And of course marriages between royalties and nobility both ways.

If you listen to Orlando Owoh songs you will notice some Owo twangs in it, despite only his mother coming from Owo.

Even the monarchical system are pretty close.
Technically all of Eastern Yorubaaland was Benin sphere of influence. The rest belonged to Oyo up to North Central before the Jihadists too much territory from Oyo.

You will notice that Deji Arakale did not run to Owo in 1818. He knew no chance of protection there. Even the Ewi of Ado sent him packing quickly too

Note that Benin Empire was from 1440 to 1897. Growing and shrinking at times. Like Lagos lost to the British in 1850s. While Oyo empire was from 1680s to about 1830s. A much shorter period. A period of slave trade boom too.

As for Ife conquering everywhere, such are not recognised in Benin or Oyo. Both empires respect and admired fellow conquerors. Even Modakeke people next door to Ife would doubt such Ife conquest story.

I straddle both Owo and Benin so nothing to gain putting one above another.

You tried to be meek but you shyes from the truth

We conquered them and brought the rebellious kings head to benin

gregyboy:



You tried to be meek but you shyes from the truth

We conquered them and brought the rebellious kings head to benin

I am just giving what I feel is a fair account. Arankale's head was brought to Benin after out of fear, Arinjale of Uhen delivered him to chief Ezomo, Benin's chief field commander/general.

Obi of Obulukwu/ Ogioboro's head was brought to Benin by Ezomo n'Uti too. It didn't matter where in the empire an overt rebellion happened. The king's head was taken.

Mind you it was when such rebellion led to deaths of Benin people, imperial citizens or their allies or otherwise constituted what would be called treason in Western system today roughly. Or a capital crime. Like Arakale killing Benin emissary Osague or Ogioboro killing Adesua, daughter of Ezomo n'Uti.

By and large, alliance and coming into Benin fold was the main first strategy in expansion.

Chidorx60:


The. Benins sought to be an overlord over Akure and I can say with some level of confidence that the Benin's never sought to influence Akure cultural,

All they wanted was tribute and control and that's what they got,
So its very understandable that Akure retained her complete Yoruba culture,
But not because they could resist the then Benin empire but because they empire never really cared about influencing their culture.

Infact Oba ovarwaremen reacted against the ruler of Akure and seized the two Benin swords that was made by Akure's kings.


And Op please stop lieing,the ogiso went to Ife to seek a ruler from their lost prince who travelled out of Igodomoigo to establish Ife,

But Ife never in any way control a compound in Benin,.
They only served as a spiritual ally.

You're vast in Benin history, all you typed is true

I’m from ondo and this is 100% true

AreaFada2:


If you listen to Orlando Owoh songs you will notice some Owo twangs in it, despite only his mother coming from Owo.

Even the monarchical system are pretty close. was from 1680s to about 1830s. A much shorter pe.

What has Orlando Owoh’s music got to do with Edo? Even though his father was from ifon, a town that was under old Owo L.G.A, Orlando was an Owo man. He lived his early and late life in Owo, he schooled there.. that’s why he speaks the dialect and sings in the dialect.
I’m from Owo but I can’t speak the dialect cos I didn’t grow up there.

2fine2fast:

What has Orlando Owoh’s music got to do with Edo? Even though his father was from ifon, a town that was under old Owo L.G.A, Orlando was an Owo man. He lived his early and late life in Owo, he schooled there.. that’s why he speaks the dialect and sings in the dialect.
I’m from Owo but I can’t speak the dialect cos I didn’t grow up there.

Oh really? Good to hear you are from Owo.

Not everybody has the capacity to decipher or link things together. His music is relevant to show that Owo has a separate identity that developed before the Muslims invented the word "Yoruba". Therefore, it shows in language, culture, names and more. Quite a lot of it influenced by Benin. As culture flowed both ways.

I won't expect you to know much about Owo anyway. For example, even though you claim to be an Owo man, I doubt you can tell us without googling the full history of Igogo festival or any of those stuff unique and central to Owo Identity..

FYI, my family name is on a street near Aghofen Ologho.

Orlando Owo only partly lived in Owo. He was born in Osogbo.

AreaFada2:

Oh really? Good to hear you are from Owo.

Not everybody has the capacity to decipher or link things together. His music is relevant to show that Owo has a separate identity that developed before the Muslims invented the word "Yoruba". Therefore it show in language, culture, names and more. Quite a lot of it influence by Benin. As culture flowed both ways.

I won't expect you to know much about Owo anyway. For example even though you claim to be an Owo man, I doubt you can tell us without googling the full history of Igogo festival or any of the those stuff unique and central to Owo Identity..

FYI, my family name is on street near Aghofen Ologho.

Orlando Owo only partly lived in Owo. He was born in Osogbo.

That I didn’t grow up there don’t mean I don’t know about my roots. I’m from the Akinlelu family of Ehin-Ogbe and my father built his own house at Idasen, close to the University. Igogo is about Olowo Rerenjegen and his barren beautiful mystical Queen. As a kid my father used to take us home every August/September or so to attend. My late grandfather was the late Akinlelu of Ehin Ogbe, Owo while my late grand uncle was the Sasere of Owo land. Even all through my years working in Akure, I made it a ritual to attend Igogo with my father and his friends, not until i moved further away from Ondo State.

And please read my earlier post clearly, I never said Orlando was born In Owo, he is someone I have met personally. He had his primary school in Owo, maybe St Peters, I am not so sure, but I am very sure he attended Imade Grammar school, Owo. He even met his wife who schooled in St Louis at the same time he was at Imade.

This thread is not about Owo, so there's no point talking at length about it. Maybe you should create a thread about Owo. I only had to clear your misgivings.
Peace.

P.S. Your sentence about “Not everyone has the capacity to decipher or links together” is actually a rude way of talking to people while getting your points across.

2fine2fast:


That I didn’t grow up there don’t mean I don’t know about my roots. I’m from the Akinlelu family of Ehin-Ogbe and my father built his own house at Idasen, close to the University. Igogo is about Olowo Rerenjegen and his barren beautiful mystical Queen. As a kid my father used to take us home every August/September or so to attend. My late grandfather was the late Akinlelu of Ehin Ogbe, Owo while my late grand uncle was the Sasere of Owo land. Even all through my years working in Akure, I made it a ritual to attend Igogo with my father and his friends, not until i moved further away from Ondo State.

And please read my earlier post clearly, I never said Orlando was born In Owo, he is someone I have met personally. He had his primary school in Owo, maybe St Peters, I am not so sure, but I am very sure he attended Imade Grammar school, Owo. He even met his wife who schooled in St Louis at the same time he was at Imade.

This thread is not about Owo, so there's no point talking at length about it. Maybe you should create a thread about Owo. I only had to clear your misgivings.
Peace.

P.S. Your sentence about “Not everyone has the capacity to decipher or links together” is actually a rude way of talking to people while getting your points across.

Don’t mind them. When they finish drinking Kai Kai they will come here and let their imagination run wild

2fine2fast:


That I didn’t grow up there don’t mean I don’t know about my roots. I’m from the Akinlelu family of Ehin-Ogbe and my father built his own house at Idasen, close to the University. Igogo is about Olowo Rerenjegen and his barren beautiful mystical Queen. As a kid my father used to take us home every August/September or so to attend. My late grandfather was the late Akinlelu of Ehin Ogbe, Owo while my late grand uncle was the Sasere of Owo land. Even all through my years working in Akure, I made it a ritual to attend Igogo with my father and his friends, not until i moved further away from Ondo State.

And please read my earlier post clearly, I never said Orlando was born In Owo, he is someone I have met personally. He had his primary school in Owo, maybe St Peters, I am not so sure, but I am very sure he attended Imade Grammar school, Owo. He even met his wife who schooled in St Louis at the same time he was at Imade.

This thread is not about Owo, so there's no point talking at length about it. Maybe you should create a thread about Owo. I only had to clear your misgivings.
Peace.

P.S. Your sentence about “Not everyone has the capacity to decipher or links together” is actually a rude way of talking to people while getting your points across.

Ah good. I would have been disappointed if you behaved like others here. Because sadly we have become used to insults.

Good that you kept in touch. Kudos to your dad.

AreaFada2:

My dear, Owo at some point paid tribute. Proper Owo history doesn't even deny this. But mostly Owo and Benin saw each other as brothers.

True Owo was always much more autonomous. Never really strict tribute conditions as imposed on others. Many towns near Owo happily admit their mostly Benin links and Origin. Like Ipele/Upele, only 15km from Owo who admit being largely descendants of Oba Ozolua of Benin.

Cultural flow was mutual too between Owo and Benin. And of course marriages between royalties and nobility both ways.

If you listen to Orlando Owoh songs you will notice some Owo twangs in it, despite only his mother coming from Owo.

Even the monarchical system are pretty close.
Technically all of Eastern Yorubaaland was Benin sphere of influence. The rest belonged to Oyo up to North Central before the Jihadists took much territory from Oyo.

You will notice that Deji Arakale did not run to Owo in 1818. He knew no chance of protection there. Even the Ewi of Ado sent him packing quickly too

Note that Benin Empire was from 1440 to 1897. Growing and shrinking at times. Like Lagos lost to the British in 1850s. While Oyo empire was from 1680s to about 1830s. A much shorter period. A period of slave trade boom too.

As for Ife conquering everywhere, such are not recognised in Benin or Oyo. Both empires respect and admired fellow conquerors. Even Modakeke people next door to Ife would doubt such Ife conquest story.

I straddle both Owo and Benin so nothing to gain putting one above another.

.... I can't comment but laughing at your ignorance!

Olu317:
.... I can't comment but laughing at your ignorance!

Lol. My ribs are already tight from laughing at your ignorance for years now.

ImperialYoruba:


Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

How Europe underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney page 83

"Several historians of Africa have pointed out that after surveying the developed areas of the continent in the 15th century and those within Europe at the same date, the difference between the two was in no way to Africa's discredit. Indeed, the first Europeans to reach West and East Africa by sea were the ones who indicated that in most respects, African development was comparable to that which they knew. To take but one example, when the Dutch visited the city of Benin, they described it thus:

The town seems to be very great. When you enter into it, you go into a great broad street, not paved, which seems to be seven or eight times broader than the Warmoes street in Amsterdam.

The king's palace is a collection of buildings which occupy as much space as the town of Harlem, and which is enclosed with walls. There are numerous apartments for the prince's ministers and fine galleries, most of which are as big as those on the Exchange at Amsterdam. They are supported by wooden pillars encased with copper, where their victories are depicted, and which are carefully kept very clean.

The town is composed of thirty main streets, very straight and 120 feet wide, apart from an infinity of small intersecting streets. The houses are close to one another, arranged in good order. THESE PEOPLE ARE IN NO WAY INFERIOR TO THE DUTCH AS REGARDS CLEANLINESS;THEY WASH AND SCRUB THEIR HOUSES SO WELL THAT THEY ARE POLISHED AND SHINING LIKE A LOOKING-GLASS" Bini nor be your mate, "Edorodion nor be playtalk" I searched for a city of such repute among yorubas in the 15th century I found none.

The very group called Bini call themselves Edo when speaking their language, infact there is no other group that identify as Edo except the group called Benin. There is nothing like "Bini" in Edo language or Bini language. Don't take my word for it. This is a dictionary of the Bini language by Hans melzian. If a Bini man is asking another Bini man if he is Bini in his native tongue he says Ovbiedo wekhin? And not Ovbibini wekhin. I know it is going to take time educating you folks but I just hope it is worth the time. An Auchi man going to Benin city would tell his kinsman in his native tongue, that he is going to "Edo" and not "Bini". Save for English usage, no Bini man refers to himself as such.

The language of the Bini people is called Edo, the people are called Ivbiedo-Edo people, the prime city of the people is also called Edo, the entire Bini speaking land, the city and outside of the city (like Abudu, Urhonigbe, Okada, Ehor ,Udo, Ugo, Ekiadolor, Ologbo,Usen etc) are refered to as Otedo-Edo's land

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funmijoyb:
I will set the undeniable record straight. I know my fellow yorubas will wanna crucify me here but i don't mind to tell the truth.


During The great Oba oduduwa , Oba Ogun, Oba oranmiyan's reign as the ooni of ife, these Obas were so powerful that they conquered the Ogiso of Edo kingdom and this present day South south region. They installed Obas and monarch in those places including Ekiti, Edo and Ondo regions. At that time we were not known as yoruba then.


But during the last 600years before british rule, the Edos had overshadowed the defunct ife kingdom. They have annexed almost half of the yoruba regions from Ekiti, Lagos, Ondo to their kingdom. These three state were all paying tributes and tax to the Edo kingdom.

Akure:

Akure was paying tribute yearly to the Edo kingdom. King Arakale of Akure tried to stopped it but he was beheaded and executed upon the order of oba of benin

Ado ekiti: The ekiti state capital was paying tribute to Edo kingdom.

Lagos (Eko) of lagos state was paying tribute.

The whole of ondo except Owo kingdom was paying tribute.


The real Yoruba kingdoms were: Benin republic, Oyo state, kwara, part of kogi, ogun and Osun state.


Names of naturalised Edo natives in yoruba lands are :

Ologbosere

Ogedegbe

Adesua or Adesuwa

Omole

Imade

Omoruwa

Ajayi

Etc

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Most people who post comments here do so out of ignorance.
People write about Bini without knowing the people who were referred to as the Binis in history.
The ancient Bini kingdom was a multi ethnic society and the capital, Bini city was populated by people from different ethnic groups such as the Igbos, Urhobos, Esans, itsekiris, Olukunmis (Yorubas) e.t.c.. all these groups were referred to as Binis. In other words, the word, Bini, was a term of reference for all inhabitants who were at the services of the kingdom and not a term solely for the aborigins alone

Ibalekute:

The ancient Bini kingdom was a multi ethnic society and the capital, Bini city was populated by people from different ethnic groups such as the Igbos, Urhobos, Esans, itsekiris, Olukunmis (Yorubas) e.t.c..

The Edos have always been the overwhelming majority in this city( their city). (Going by the linguistic evidence of the capital today and the easy assimilation of their descendants)( talking about linguistic evidence, a man from Urhonigbe 60 miles east of Benin would attain 100%intelligibity in language with a man from Ogbe- Benin city)(it only goes to show that your much touted Igbos,Urhobos, Esans, Itsekiris, Olukumi combined were not even close to 1/5 of the dominant population) ( we know groups that received large migrations in Nigeria today and we know how altered their speech forms have become e.g Agbor which received enough migrations from Bini)and those groups were just around in their small numbers for the day to day serving of the palace and they were assimilated, we know their descendants here in Benin. The city is in contention here by that text not the kingdom.

The city is owned by a group the Binis/Edos and it is/was populated majorly by them. The city was more of a reporting point. We have records of Iyases who stayed at their several quarters like Agbor,Ehor etc and several other chiefs at different quarters of the kingdom. If you want to quote me, quote me with your full chest. coward, I don't bite I only give evidence to cure Ignorance. He claimed to have civilized us yet you guys had none to your name as at the 15th century

That there is nothing on the language spoken there today only goes to show that the migrant or other tribes who were residents alongside the owners and the aborigines were in their minority number and they were assimilated and the assimilation today is evident in our family greeting. They were only a minuscule minority compared to the general Benin offshoot.

OGUN622:
The Edos have always been the overwhelming majority in this city( their city). (Going by the linguistic evidence of the capital today and the easy assimilation of their descendants)( talking about linguistic evidence, a man from Urhonigbe 60 miles east of Benin would attain 100%intelligibity in language with a man from Ogbe- Benin city)(it only goes to show that your much touted Igbos,Urhobos, Esans, Itsekiris, Olukumi combined were not even close to 1/5 of the dominant population) ( we know groups that received large migrations in Nigeria today and we know how altered their speech forms have become e.g Agbor which received enough migrations from Bini)and those groups were just around in their small numbers for the day to day serving of the palace and they were assimilated, we know their descendants here in Benin. The city is in contention here by that text not the kingdom.

The city is owned by a group the Binis/Edos and it is/was populated majorly by them. The city was more of a reporting point. We have records of Iyases who stayed at their several quarters like Agbor,Ehor etc and several other chiefs at different quarters of the kingdom. If you want to quote me, quote me with your full chest. coward, I don't bite I only give evidence to cure Ignorance. He claimed to have civilized us yet you guys had none to your name as at the 15th century

That there is nothing on the language spoken there today only goes to show that the migrant or other tribes who were residents alongside the owners and the aborigines were in their minority number and they were assimilated and the assimilation today is evident in our family greeting. They were only a minuscule minority compared to the general Benin offshoot.

The linguistic evidence in Benin today is not a reflection of realities of pre colonial period.
The majority of the aborigins resided in the countryside not the capital city, Benin
Benin palace was said to be a mini city and was populated mainly by the Olukunmi who were the kiths and kins of the Benin dynasty.
Through European records, we got to know that Olukunmi language was the universal language of the kingdom.
Benin language because prominent from the 1800s as a result of the internecine war in Benin which left me city depopulated as a result of reversed migration of different ethnic groups and massive influx of the aborigins from the countryside into the city

Ibalekute:
The linguistic evidence in Benin today is not a reflection of realities of pre colonial period.
The majority of the aborigins resided in the countryside not the capital city, Benin
Benin palace was said to be a mini city and was populated mainly by the Olukunmi who were the kiths and kins of the Benin dynasty.
Through European records, we got to know that Olukunmi language was the universal language of the kingdom.
Benin language because prominent from the 1800s as a result of the internecine war in Benin which left me city depopulated as a result of reversed migration of different ethnic groups and massive influx of the aborigins from the countryside into the city

I have only one question for you, if the city was not populated by Binis/Edos, And the language of the palace was Olukumi, why are The names of all the Obas Edo names,Both their Birth names and their anscension names? Have you bothered to check?? I don't need a soothsayer to tell me that Bini/Edo language was not only the dominadi in the city but also in the Palace. With the names of the Obas, both Birth names and Ascension names, I also don't need a soothsayer to tell me that the major kiths and Kins of the Obas in the palace from time immemorial were Bini/Edos let alone the city

And also I would have loved him to show me another city in the south west that had Binis repute in the fifteenth century since he laid claim to civilizing us

Lastly, Evidences of Edo relics in Lagos, Agbor and other Ika towns, Itsekiri, Eastern yorubaland already cemented the fact that Edo was always the major major in the city and also in the workings of the Empire.( take for example as I would always give, the traditional title of the Itsekiri monarch is Ogiame. Allah it is only an Edo man that can interpret it(Ogiame means king of the riverine area, Itsekiri land as we know is largely riverine and they are riverine people). That is how the Itsekiri man praise his monarch he says Ogiame tsuo I am glad to tell you that Ogiame is pure Edo in origin. I would already assume you know when Ginuwa migrated and who he was

How can the aborigines have come out to populate the city, do you know the different quarters of the city are someone's village,they have been there from time immemorial(Ogbe,Igun,Igbesawman etc are villages of native Edos and they are located in Oredo,the center of Benin,Adun Kabaka and his family are from Ogbe, have you heard of the term "Ogbe boys",Ogbe is the seat of the palace) what a contradiction. Uneme migrated from center of Benin(Igun) in the 14th century during Oba Egbeka's reign and the Evidence that they indeed migrated from Benin is that they speak an Edoid language alongside with the skill of Bronze casting they took along with themselves cc deadlytruth

Akuku group migrated from the Uselu district, today, they also speak an Edoid language as first language

IGUEBEN migrated from Benin during Esigie's reign, (circa1504-1550)they were sent by the Oba to prosecute a war against Igala, and on their way back they came across a fertile land and settled on it, and till this day, they speak a dialect Of Bini/Edo. What are you on About bro, Bini is not your mate, you don't have any history save that of worthlessness. Go and look for other people's history to divert, Edo is not free, there are Evidences that abound that Edo was the major major in language and culture, in the city and even in non Edoid areas of the Empire where princes of the palace took them there.

ImperialYoruba:


If you knew history of Yorubaland you would have recognized that all those names you listed are Yoruba names. Any word with Ol- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with Ad- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with El-, or Al-, or Il- as prefix is Yoruba. There are many more but Im sure you got the the understanding.

On invasion, I will save Bini the embarassment, but records exists that dispute what you wrote. I cannot reveal these things without causing embarassment to the Bini throne. Bini is a brother to Oyo, what I wouldnt do to Oyo I dare not do to Bini.

Benin Once Paid Tribute to Oyo

Starting with Oranmiyan Alaafin at Oyo




From Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
1890

christistruth01:



Benin Once Paid Tribute to Oyo

Starting with Oranmiyan Alaafin at Oyo




From Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
1890

There is nowhere in your screenshot that says Benin once paid tributes to Oyo.

Starting from about 1860, the British have started writing gibberish and rubbish about Benin history as an excuse or precursor to remove the Oba and dominate his empire, which they eventually did in 1897.

The screenshot you posted wasn't an eyewitness accounts but a hearsay, your Sir Alfred Moloney didn't report what he witnessed but what he claimed they heard happened around 1830.

Unfortunately for Sir Alfred Moloney 1890 hearsay account, there is actually an eyewitness accounts from another British who visited Oyo and the Alaafin of Oyo for first hand accounts in 1824. By the way this was the first time any European visited Oyo, all that was written about Oyo prior to 1824 were all hearsay and not eyewitness accounts.

The Alaafin told his British visitor that he was actually waiting and relying on the Oba of Benin for military assistance to help him fight a war he was currently fighting. He also told the British that Oyo once paid tributes to Benin.

Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The statement from Clapperton on his visit to Oyo in 1824:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Now you have two accounts from two Europeans, one is hearsay written in 1890 talking about the 1830s and the second one was written in 1824 by an eyewitness who was in Oyo to see the Alaafin.

Which one do you think is the correct story/history.

samuk:


There is nowhere in your screenshot that says Benin once paid tributes to Oyo.

Starting from about 1860, the British have started writing gibberish and rubbish about Benin history as an excuse or precursor to remove the Oba and dominate his empire, which they eventually did in 1897.

The screenshot you posted wasn't an eyewitness accounts but a hearsay, your Sir Alfred Moloney didn't report what he witnessed but what he claimed they heard happened around 1830.

Unfortunately for Sir Alfred Moloney 1890 hearsay account, there is actually an eyewitness accounts from another British who visited Oyo and the Alaafin of Oyo for first hand accounts in 1824. By the way this was the first time any European visited Oyo, all that was written about Oyo prior to 1824 were all hearsay and not eyewitness accounts.

The Alaafin told his British visitor that he was actually waiting and relying on the Oba of Benin for military assistance to help him fight a war he was currently fighting. He also told the British that Oyo once paid tributes to Benin.

Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The statement from Clapperton on his visit to Oyo in 1824:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Now you have two accounts from two Europeans, one is hearsay written in 1890 talking about the 1830s and the second one was written in 1824 by an eyewitness who was in Oyo to see the Alaafin.

Which one do you think is the correct story/history.

If you like say Benin never Paid Tribute to Alaafin Oranmiyan it is already beyond dispute

christistruth01:



If you like say Benin never Paid Tribute to Alaafin Oranmiyan it is already beyond dispute

Your replies are always comical , I hope others find them as funny as I do.

What year or time period did Benin paid tributes to Oba Oranmiyan of Oyo.

ImperialYoruba:


Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

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samuk:


Your replies are always comical , I hope others find them as funny as I do.

What year or time period did Benin paid tributes to Oba Oranmiyan of Oyo.

My brother that guy na clown o better one Edo conquered the world from Benin city, our city traditionally called Edo, go and check kingdoms, where she had impact, it was always Edo relics and these low self esteem ignorant fools want to tell us otherwise. The Benin kingdom cum empire project was always Edo's business koyor.

They claimed to have civilized us citywise yet they had none to their name in the fifteenth century other than to divert people's history,what audacity, we know who the bush people are

Next time if that nigga sees my post, he will dodge it, he should go and tell his low self esteem fairytales to his kids not an informed man like me

I am Osaze by native name, I am Ogun on nairaland, I am also Mike by name, but the same person(you can't say you know Ogun you don't know Mike that would amount to lunacy).I am a Bini man, I belong to the only group that identify as Edo in the world. it is only fools that will not accept truth and would rather dwell on ignorance. Whether you accept or not it has been sealed and the Evidences abound.

OGUN622:
My brother that guy na clown o better one Edo conquered the world from Benin city, our city traditionally called Edo, go and check kingdoms, where she had impact, it was always Edo relics and these low self esteem ignorant fools want to tell us otherwise. The Benin kingdom cum empire project was always Edo's business koyor.

They claimed to have civilized us citywise yet they had none to their name in the fifteenth century other than to divert people's history,what audacity, we know who the bush people are

Next time if that nigga sees my post, he will dodge it, he should go and tell his low self esteem fairytales to his kids not an informed man like me

I am Osaze by native name, I am Ogun on nairaland, I am also Mike by name, but the same person(you can't say you know Ogun you don't know Mike that would amount to lunacy).I am a Bini man, I belong to the only group that identify as Edo in the world. it is only fools that will not accept truth and would rather dwell on ignorance. Whether you accept or not it has been sealed and the Evidences abound.

My brother, these guys running around here know that the only empire/kingdom known in the world from this Nigeria space is the Benin empire, this is why they have been trying to appropriate it as Yoruba empire.

Outside Nigeria and across the world, Benin empire is what the world know, not Oyo or Ife that fairytales tellers created in 1890s.

They have continuously tried to promote and project a fictitious and fictional Oyo empire that have no eyewitness historical written accounts until the 1824 when they got their first European visitors.

When the Europeans visited Oyo for the first time in 1824, all they saw and met on ground were some villagers fighting themselves with the Alaafin of Oyo begging the Oba of Benin to come save his neck. There wasn't evidence or semblance of a kingdom let alone an empire.

All that was claimed to have been written about this fictional Oyo empire prior to 1824 were all hearsay, not eyewitness accounts.

If Oyo was so great at any time in the past, it would have attracted European visitors earlier than the 1824 that they finally found their way there after more than 400 years of consistently visiting Benin. The Catholic church even established a mission in Benin city starting from the 1500s with residents priest yet they never heard of or visited this audio Oyo empire that was supposed to be next door to Benin.

There were always European merchants residents in Benin, some even staying up to two years before leaving for Europe, yet they never heard about Oyo/Ife but they heard about the Itsekiri kingdom and visited.

Benin already sent ambassador to Europe in the 1600s and it took another 200 years before the first European found their way to Oyo and they are saying they civilised who?

The good thing is all these feel good factor lies they tell here ends here in Nigeria, the Europeans and Americans whose ancestors documented Benin history can't be fooled.

OGUN622:
The Edos have always been the overwhelming majority in this city( their city). (Going by the linguistic evidence of the capital today and the easy assimilation of their descendants)( talking about linguistic evidence, a man from Urhonigbe 60 miles east of Benin would attain 100%intelligibity in language with a man from Ogbe- Benin city)(it only goes to show that your much touted Igbos,Urhobos, Esans, Itsekiris, Olukumi combined were not even close to 1/5 of the dominant population) ( we know groups that received large migrations in Nigeria today and we know how altered their speech forms have become e.g Agbor which received enough migrations from Bini)and those groups were just around in their small numbers for the day to day serving of the palace and they were assimilated, we know their descendants here in Benin. The city is in contention here by that text not the kingdom.

The city is owned by a group the Binis/Edos and it is/was populated majorly by them. The city was more of a reporting point. We have records of Iyases who stayed at their several quarters like Agbor,Ehor etc and several other chiefs at different quarters of the kingdom. If you want to quote me, quote me with your full chest. coward, I don't bite I only give evidence to cure Ignorance. He claimed to have civilized us yet you guys had none to your name as at the 15th century

That there is nothing on the language spoken there today only goes to show that the migrant or other tribes who were residents alongside the owners and the aborigines were in their minority number and they were assimilated and the assimilation today is evident in our family greeting. They were only a minuscule minority compared to the general Benin offshoot.

Lmaooo. Linguistically,Yoruba's language's contact with the Ogiamien's language , actually distorted the Bini kingdom's central language,which made the language becomes influenced through Yoruba's language.

Even the same Iyatse have claimed to descendants of Yoruba people from Ileife.

Do not just come online to think, the false statement credited to one Dutch fiction-centric writer, who had claimed Bini roads were made in splendor of gold .

Please, tell us, what Visual Art were seen in Biniland that's older than Ileife's ?

Are you aware Iyase/Iyatse also acknowledge to have come from Ileife ancestrally ?


You guys are just not realist, because Bini never existed without Yorubas.Afterall, oranmiyan founded Biniland. While Igodomigodo was also founded by Ogiso ancestors.

Olu317:
Lmaooo. Linguistically,Yoruba's language's contact with the Ogiamien's language , actually distorted the Bini kingdom's central language,[/b]which made the language becomes influenced through Yoruba's language.

Even the same [b]Iyatse have claimed to descendants of Yoruba people from Ileife.

Do not just come online to think, the false statement credited to one Dutch fiction-centric writer, who had claimed Bini roads were made in splendor of gold .

Please, tell us, what Visual Art were seen in Biniland that's older than Ileife's ?

Are you aware Iyase/Iyatse also acknowledge to have come from Ileife ancestrally ?


You guys are just not realist, because Bini never existed without Yorubas.Afterall, oranmiyan founded Biniland. While Igodomigodo was also founded by Ogiso ancestors.

What do you mean by "Ogieamien's language" first I would like you to tell me what language was spoken by the Ogieamien that was different from the language that was spoken by the other families since Ogieamien is one of the Over seventy four families in Benin and some of them are older than her and some as old as her( again another stonecold ignorance)

What do you mean by [b]Bini kingdom central language[/b]and are you trying to assert that Bini city tongue is different from the Other clans like Urhonigbe that is sixty miles away or Abudu before I answer your question properly.(I want you to expose your foolishness the more)

Ignoramus because it was not written about your inconsequential agbo drinking self and people. it is now dutch-fiction centric, Bini is not your mate, she has never been your mate, till date she goes with suffix-(city) which she got as a tag over five hundred years ago. she is far older than any nonsense you have to offer in your dirty Southwest. Benin never paid for such commendations, actually she was worthy of such commendations that is why it she was commended as such, your bile Amala eating, agbo drinking self would not change a thing, you are inconsequential in the world, your dead opinion would end with you and with your bizzare comment made on nairaland.

The person(Walter Rodney) who quoted the "dutch fiction centric writer" is/was a far better man. You are not worthy to clean his shoe. He is always a name in the annals of history. He knows it is not fiction centric, that's why he quoted it and he would have known that your comment was borne out of deep hate and bile and that you should not be taken seriously. He is not yoruba that's why he quoted it, to a yoruba, it is fiction-centric, why? Because I try to claim their city , it did not work so let me rubbish the claim, but history is beyond you, it has been written down before your ancestors were dumped on our shores,

I would like to see an excerpt where the Iyase said they are from Ile-Ife. Are you aware it is not hereditary.(I know you have seen your your laugh is one of Ignorance and Foolishness)I have seen you made comments which cannot be proven, those days are over you must provide proof my nigga.

This is not for you cause you would rather die in ignorance, your Ife tales would always injure you
The Iyase title was created alongside some other titles like Uwangue,Eson,Esama,Esogban, these titles are known collectively as Eghaevbo'N'ore-meaning town chiefs. The Iyase title is not hereditary because of the powers that was given to him being the only person that can disagree with the Oba and not be rebuked. We have had Iyases from different quarters of the Empire, the Famous chief AghoObaseki of (Anioma origin) became the Iyase during Oba Eweka 2 reign. We have had Iyases from Ijaw roots, Akure, the present one(chief Sam Igbe) is an assimilated Bini of Urhobo ancestry

What evidence do you have that Oranmiyan founded Bini outside fairytales.



Cc samuk
The more you talk, the more I see hardened ignorance

Point how many words in Benin that you think is borrowed ( if some won't pass as cognate)or if you won't see some in other Edoids tribe even as far as Engenni and degema in rivers

Benin had no relationship with you guys, Ogiso is a myth you guys were forest dwellers. Your inconsequential self and opinion would not change what has been written about Benin before you were Born

OGUN622:
What do you mean by "Ogieamien's language" first I would like you to tell me what language was spoken by the Ogieamien that was different from the language that was spoken by the other families since Ogieamien is one of the Over seventy four families in Benin and some of them are older than her and some as old as her( again another stonecold ignorance)

What do you mean by [b]Bini kingdom central language[/b]and are you trying to assert that Bini city tongue is different from the Other clans like Urhonigbe that is sixty miles away or Abudu before I answer your question properly.(I want you to expose your foolishness the more)

Ignoramus because it was not written about your inconsequential agbo drinking self and people. it is now dutch-fiction centric, Bini is not your mate, she has never been your mate, till date she goes with suffix-(city) which she got as a tag over five hundred years ago. she is far older than any nonsense you have to offer in your dirty Southwest. Benin never paid for such commendations, actually she was worthy of such commendations that is why it she was commended as such, your bile Amala eating, agbo drinking self would not change a thing, you are inconsequential in the world, your dead opinion would end with you and with your bizzare comment made on nairaland.

The person(Walter Rodney) who quoted the "dutch fiction centric writer" is/was a far better man. You are not worthy to clean his shoe. He is always a name in the annals of history. He knows it is not fiction centric, that's why he quoted it and he would have known that your comment was borne out of deep hate and bile and that you should not be taken seriously. He is not yoruba that's why he quoted it, to a yoruba, it is fiction-centric, why? Because I try to claim their city , it did not work so let me rubbish the claim, but history is beyond you, it has been written down before your ancestors were dumped on our shores,

I would like to see an excerpt where the Iyase said they are from Ile-Ife. Are you aware it is not hereditary.(I know you have seen your your laugh is one of Ignorance and Foolishness)I have seen you made comments which cannot be proven, those days are over you must provide proof my nigga.

This is not for you cause you would rather die in ignorance, your Ife tales would always injure you
The Iyase title was created alongside some other titles like Uwangue,Eson,Esama,Esogban, these titles are known collectively as Eghaevbo'N'ore-meaning town chiefs. The Iyase title is not hereditary because of the powers that was given to him being the only person that can disagree with the Oba and not be rebuked. We have had Iyases from different quarters of the Empire, the Famous chief AghoObaseki of (Anioma origin) became the Iyase during Oba Eweka 2 reign. We have had Iyases from Ijaw roots, Akure, the present one(chief Sam Igbe) is an assimilated Bini of Urhobo ancestry

What evidence do you have that Oranmiyan founded Bini outside fairytales.



Cc samuk
The more you talk, the more I see hardened ignorance

Point how many words in Benin that you think is borrowed ( if some won't pass as cognate)or if you won't see some in other Edoids tribe even as far as Engenni and degema in rivers

Benin had no relationship with you guys, Ogiso is a myth you guys were forest dwellers. Your inconsequential self and opinion would not change what has been written about Benin before you were Born

I do not have time to do these things with you since this false information from. you of not admitting indigenous Ogiamen's language which predated the coming of oranmiyan before the change in the form of lexicon usage which birthed your own name, Òogun .

Maybe you are a new person on this platform galavanting up and down with regurgating information that had been dealt with in the past. Sincerely TAO12 has done justice to that effect .

Meanwhile, Ogiso is not a myth . This information isnt false but because you guys have been so ruled that , you hardly could differentiate left from right .

Explicitly, Ekaleredan was a desendant of Ogiso,who lived in 11th century and still has a town he founded known as gwato or ughoton where he lived and died.

Infact, his descent Ohen Okun travelled to Portugal around 1486.The visit of Afonso d’ Aveiro was highly acknowledged by scholars and given enough attention in European historical literature.

He was sent as an emissary of Oba Ozolua instead of his own first born son because of supposedly fear of no return. . Eventually Ohen Okun returned safely as promised by the Portuguese government under the reigning king of Portugal.

Your rhetoric is ambiguous and with substantial evidence when fact has shown Ekiokpagha treaty existed before your Oba Eredieuwa manipulated to deny the aboriginal status of the land owner in Bini land.

In the same manner, he maneuvered the Itsekiri dynasty by compelling the royal family of marrying itsekiri or Bini groups only.

Olu317:
I do not have time to do these things with you since this false information from. you of not admitting indigenous Ogiamen's language which predated the coming of oranmiyan before the change in the form of lexicon usage which birthed your own name, Òogun .

Maybe you are a new person on this platform galavanting up and down with regurgating information that had been dealt with in the past. Sincerely TAO12 has done justice to that effect .

Meanwhile, Ogiso is not a myth . This information isnt false but because you guys have been so ruled that , you hardly could differentiate left from right .

Explicitly, Ekaleredan was a desendant of Ogiso,who lived in 11th century and still has a town he founded known as gwato or ughoton where he lived and died.

Infact, his descent Ohen Okun travelled to Portugal around 1486.The visit of Afonso d’ Aveiro was highly acknowledged by scholars and given enough attention in European historical literature.

He was sent as an emissary of Oba Ozolua instead of his own first born son because of supposedly fear of no return. . Eventually Ohen Okun returned safely as promised by the Portuguese government under the reigning king of Portugal.

Your rhetoric is ambiguous and with substantial evidence when fact has shown Ekiokpagha treaty existed before your Oba Eredieuwa manipulated to deny the aboriginal status of the land owner in Bini land.

In the same manner, he maneuvered the Itsekiri dynasty by compelling the royal family of marrying itsekiri or Bini groups only.

first there is nothing like "Ogiamen language" it is Edo language since Ogiamen speak the language the other seventy three families speak,

And also you never thanked me on the Iyase lecture I gave you, or maybe give a rebutall and provide the proof I asked

And also you never answered my question what you meant by central language and if Benin city's tongue is different from other Edo clans, I would like you to answer those ones before.

And what words you think were borrowed, let's begin to check and see which one was borrowed or which was not I would like you to answer those ones before we can continue

That one nigga (a Yoruba)has done justice to one topic, by whose judgement? You?

Ogiso of course is not a myth,(we have their descendants in Bini,they greet delaiso,the Ogisos were weak rulers which thier rulership evolved from within, all the over thirty Ogisos were Edos. What I meant is that the Oba's emergence from the Ogiso line and the counter story of Oranmiyan coming from Ife is the myth. Oba is a pure Edo man from Oza. Ovbi'umogun'Oza-that is what the Oba's descendants is called when he greet his morning greetings- child of the Owner of Ogun from Oza

Ogun my nigga is Edo, just as it is Yoruba, the worship pattern is not the same. The Binis have been Ironsmith from time immemorial, that is how the worship of Iron began. Iron is Ogun in Edo-Singular. While Igun means Irons(plural) Iron.(we don't erect an altar for Esu in Edo and we don't worship Esu which you guys call the trickster. Or do you have any proof it was borrowed

Olokun is also Edo-Olokun means the Owner of the sea, the Edos have access to the water through Ughoton and Urhonigbe-Ethiope river These are Gods worshipped by all Edo clans.

Orunmila, Aiyelala, and others I can confidently say was borrowed but they are worshipped by some few sects in Benin, unlike those ones which are general gods worshipped by all Edos

Ekiophagha treaty has nothing to do with aborigine whatsoever, there are more complex "fight" within outside the Ekiophagha treaty that the Oba embark upon before Ascending the throne. He goes to Udo, Urhonigbe, Use, Egor, Uselu and the river Okwahe. The Ekiophagha is just one of those rites.