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joshjc:
even bvn,and the latest is vaccine,and any major technological advancement, in my opinion ones you die, that's the end of the world, because it's written in the Bible after death comes judgement,and in the same Bible it is written world without end

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with "after death comes judgements" and "world without end". They do not conttadict themselves (if that's what you implies)
I believe that an average Christian knows the difference between the two, based on their context. This world (universe) full of pain, death and suffering (as a result of the fall) will end to usher believers in to a new world that is like how it was created originally when God said it was GOOD. That is, no death, pain and suffering and hence it will be a world without end.
On the other hand, the lake of fire will be a world without end for this whose names are not found in the book of life. These include: the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, etc

A side note: I don't think the OP is trying to relate the pandemic to the second coming. I think he is trying to give his interpretation of eschatology. I'm surprised with how people are reading another thing in to his posts, atheists especially.

MrPresident1:
Enjoying o. Think of every enjoyment you have on this earth now, and multiply it by one gazillion, then subtract pain sorrow death sickness etc then you begin to have a faint idea what we are talking about

I tell you, thats what guys dont know. The God that created nature, weed, alcohol, nice food, big nyashes.. Knows how to upgrade it in such a way it will no longer be sin. What do I know self.. Lol

helinues:
Are you aware that our source of energy, The Sun has it's expiry date?

Stars are born, they live, and they die. And when our own star ( Sun) dies, it will evaporate all the existing planets it has been providing energy to ..

So when that happened, nothing like earth. How will that heaven continue to exist?

Not to talk of big rogue asteroid heading towards earth..

Of course, this earth will be no more and the one (I believe) he's talking about is the new earth.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Does this look like what you are talking about? Remember that the Bible is not a Science text that should give you all details about things pertaining to technical knowledge, but we can confidently believe it as it has been proven to be true on many occasions in which it was attacks.

The passage continues
2 Peter 3: 11-13

Since all these things are thus in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,
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While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?
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But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.

Tsolutionifede:
lol, funny u, but seriously, doing what truely, I am a Christian too, but the aspect of living forever sounds gibberish. Anyway, may God help and forgive, because what do i know self, 1cor 2:14 says "a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised"

Remember we live in a world of time as measured by the earth's rotation and revolution round the sun. Hence we have day and night and we have year (God said the lights in the heavens will help us in measuring time and seasons anyway).
Now in the new heaven and earth, the bible says 1. We will be like angels (Matt 22:30). Angels live forever

2. We won't be bound by time because there will be neither sun nor moon to give light (they are already destroyed as shown in 2 Peter 3:10, 12) but God will be the source of light. That means we won't really have the concept of time again. Forever won't look ridiculous then.
Again, I love the passage you quoted too

Peace

Chosen1984:
JESUS CHRIST, The LORD and SAVIOR of Humanity gave one the most Terrifying words in
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the way , The Truth and the Life, not given to exaggeration. Yet He speaks of a time so terrifying, so horrible, that nothing compares to it.

JESUS CHRIST is not speaking of those general “trials and tribulations” all of us have. This is a unique time, seven years of hell on earth. There is nothing like it in all history, secular or biblical. Revelation chapters 6-19 describe that terrible time.

What is the purpose of the Great Tribulation?

Will Believers alive,( whose Names is written in the book of life) go through it?

Let's have a look at the purpose.

1.The Great Tribulation is the last seven years of God's dealing with the nation of Israel before they are brought to a final crisis—and prepared for receiving their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. We know this because of many Scriptures connecting the Great Tribulation to the nation of Israel.
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
Also see Daniel 12:1

These chapters makes it clear that the Tribulation is a time to prepare the Jewish people to receive the Lord Jesus Christ and that God will save Israel out of it.

When the Bible uses the word “Jacob,” it always refers to fleshly Israel, natural Israel, the Jews as we know them. It is not speaking of “spiritual Israel”—the Church—the Body of Christ.

Jeremiah 30:10-11 explains further
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

From these scriptures, we see that Jacob is Isreal. Daniel people are the Jews ( Isrealites)

They are the Elect who JESUS talked about in Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

2. Another purpose of the Tribulation is to punish the Gentiles for their arrogance, rebellion and godlessness. Isaiah 24 and Jeremiah 25 beginning with verse 30 describe the Great Tribulation coming upon the Gentiles.

God will pour out His wrath upon a world that has spurned Him, that has laughed at and ridiculed His precepts and principles.

So who will be going through this great tribulation?

Clearly, Israel, for it is “the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

notice in all of the scriptures that deal with the Great Tribulation, not one scripture mentions the Church—the Body of Christ—as being present during that time, not even the book of Revelation.

The Key to Revelation

To better understand the book of Revelation, you first need the key to the book.


In chapter one, the apostle John was in prayer when he heard a voice behind him. The Voice identifies Himself as “the Alpha and Omega,” the resurrected Christ. He instructs John in verse 19 to write those things “which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.”

There is the key! if you do not understand this one verse, you will not understand Revelation or that it is divided into three sections: past, present, and future—the things John has seen, the things which currently are, and what will happen in the future.

What had John seen? John had a vision of Jesus Christ coming in power and great glory, and he wrote that. So the first division is complete.

In chapters 2 and 3, John moves to the second division, things which are, and John brings seven messages to seven churches. These were seven literal, actual churches, but they represent all churches of all time. Chapters 2 and 3 say “church” over and over again. This is the second division: the Church Age. We are living in the church age.

Now notice something remarkable, beginning in Revelation 4:1.

And after this, behold a door was opened in heaven and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me which said come up hither and I will show thee the things which must be hereafter.

From Revelation 4:1 through to the end of the book, we have entered into “the things which must be hereafter.” John, our brother in the Church Age, is symbolically lifted out of this earth, taken up to heaven, and then his description of “the things which must be hereafter” begins.

In Revelation chapters 4-19, we see the horrors of the Great Tribulation.
from this point on, you do not hear the Church, the Body of Christ, mentioned again.

The Lord has specifically promised to keep the Church from the Great Tribulation.

1Thesl 1:9-10
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

In Conclusion,we can see that the Tribulation is for
1.the correction and preparation of the nation of Israel
2. the punishment of rebellious nations and people who have rejected God.

The Bride of JESUS CHRIST, The Church will not be Here during the Great Tribulation..

Before the antichrist Officially takes over, The Church Must Be taken away..

Also The antichrist cannot Officially take over until we the saints are Gone..

Thanks bro for this wonderful submission. After Reading few lines of the original OP I discovered he was in error in his understanding of the issue in question, but you really explained it as it is. May God bless you.

pennywys:
go back to school, if you have been there before and end up achieving nothing, this time I will advise you to pickup a science or technology base course. Study it and stop being a shame and embarrassment to human folks

It's funny that an article which gives it opinion on Bible eschatology is seen as an attack on "science" (atheism to be precise).
If it was well read, it can be seen that he didn't link the second coming to the pandemic. He only try to give his opinion by 'correcting' what he sees as error in other Biblical eschatology. He then used the vaccine as an example to show that he wouldn't deny his faith if it happens to be the prophesied mark of the beast

There's no point giving opinions which implies that religious folks (Christians especially) are ignorant folks. Science and technology has nothing to do with atheism. In fact, if some components of atheism is to be trusted, then science cannot work. For example, atheism believe that truth is relative and that there is no absolute truth (contrary to Jesus saying he is the truth). Now how can a scientist who is an atheist expect another to believe that his theory is true if he himself does not believe in absolute truth? Hoe can he convince himself that what he observed is the truth and that his interpretation of the observed data is true?

PhantomXcess:
Terribly flawed teaching!

If you want to understand God's Word and rightly apply it, you must be a critical and logical reasoning person.

It is called "rightly dividing the word of truth".

What is the meaning of life without death? How do you know you're in peace if you have not seen chaos or troubles? What is heaven without an earth? How would you know paradise if there is no hell? What's a God without his creation and subjects?

Remember this lyrics:
Human beings in a mob
What's a mob to a king?
What's a king to a God?
What's a God to a non-believer
Who don't believe in anything?

I'll continue asking:

If we were all born blind, how can you tell that we can't see? If there's no light, how would you know it's dark? Can good exist without evil? How would you know it's good? If there was only right, how would you tell what's wrong? Because it all becomes tasteless! It all becomes plain! But then you still won't know it is all tasteless and plain because none of it exists!


See, growing in fellowship with God is not for simple minded people who just run with everything they're told without understanding it. It doesn't mean you question God's word but you must study properly to understand what was really said, why it was said and who it was said to and when it is expected to happen.

I'm not gonna dive into explaining Matthew 24, 1Thess and Revelation right now. Maybe I would on a later date. But I will say this;

To understand God's will and purpose, you have to begin from Genesis. Why was man created? Why was the world created? Why did God bother creating in the first place?

Then you have to ask, who is God? Who made him God? How did he become God? Why is he God? And why is he also called Lord? Let me drop a little hint here: We only agree and believe he is God because he created all things including us, which means he existed before all things were made. Dictionary defines God as "Supreme Being" which means no one or nothing can stand him or his authority.

Revelation 4:11 says
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for THY PLEASURE they are and were CREATED".... Before then, it was all plain and tasteless!

If you study creation logically, you will be able to reason and ask why did God say he saw that everything he created was GOOD when there was clearly a tree of knowledge of good and EVIL? This tree is the reason man was considered a failure and sin. This tree was man's downfall and death.

Is God mischievous to deny the existence of evil in his creation? Did he willing make man curious of this same tree and told him he will die if he eats it? What is DEATH? Is it a good or bad thing? Why did Adam and Eve not die when they ate it? Why did the Bible admit that the serpent was right? As he said when they eat the fruit, they will become like God and God rightly admitted that man has become like him now, which led to them being banned from the garden so they don't eat the tree of life. Also didn't God say "let's make man in our image and likeness?" Didn't he keep to his word? So many questions!

But it is the glory of God to hide a matter and the honor of kings to search and reveal it. A king is someone who rules, who makes decrees and it is carried out, who has authority over others. So will you patiently grow in this journey of godliness(mighty rulership and power) or will you chicken out and live a simple life like a servant and be subject to other kings(principalities and powers) who know these secrets of life?

There was NEVER supposed to be religion. And to God, religion still doesn't EXIST!

This is nice but I would have love if answers or links to answers to those questions were provided.
I don't know if you are aware of creation.com of Creation Ministries International

DonXavi:
Thanks bro for this wonderful submission. After Reading few lines of the original OP I discovered he was in error in his understanding of the issue in question, but you really explained it as it is. May God bless you.

AMEN!
GOD BLESS YOU TOO MY BROTHER

Please request the book Revelation- Its Grand Climax at Hand, published by Jehovah's Witnesses for an understanding of the events that signal the conclusion of this system of things. Some say Jehovah's Witnesses preach false doctrines. But most people who say this do not really know or care to know for themselves what JWs teach.

Lexusgs430:
What makes you beliefs superior and negates mine?

Thanks for the question. I already stated earlier that stories of NDEs (near death experience) can't be explained using materialism (which atheist use in interpreting science)
Secondly, the Bible talks about life after death (Dan 12: 3 and other passages). Now you may ask why should I believe the bible? It's because what it said is true in all facets of life. True history which are being confirmed by archeology and other history materials, accurate prophecies which has stunned the world many times, words of wisdom and principles which have changed wicked souls to saints, etc. If it is true in all these, why shouldn't it be true on issues of life after death?

I invite you sir to study the bible in search of the truth and I believe that tye TRUTH will reveal himself to you

Peace

Pelecius:
Thanks for the question. I already stated earlier that stories of NDEs (near death experience) can't be explained using materialism (which atheist use in interpreting science)
Secondly, the Bible talks about life after death (Dan 12: 3 and other passages). Now you may ask why should I believe the bible? It's because what it said is true in all facets of life. True history which are being confirmed by archeology and other history materials, accurate prophecies which has stunned the world many times, words of wisdom and principles which have changed wicked souls to saints, etc. If it is true in all these, why shouldn't it be true on issues of life after death?

I invite you sir to study the bible in search of the truth and I believe that tye TRUTH will reveal himself to you

Peace

What about if i fail to be bamboozled, by the content of an orchestrated controlling storybook?

Jokerman:
Wrong. What you wrote is not biblical... See what Revelation stated

Revelation 13:1-10 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Always follow the word of God

I'm following the scriptures my friend. Search the same book, who is anti-christ fighting during the Armageddon before Jesus showed up?

Who is the armies of the north and south the anti-christ is fighting in the Armageddon? These are Russia and China respectively.

If you're still in doubt, I will get the scriptures for you.

Lexusgs430:
What about if i fail to be bamboozled, by the content of an orchestrated controlling storybook?

Bamboozle
Orchestrate
Control

These words are opposite of what tge Bible is. What is holy will never cheat or deceive. The Bible says that God CANNOT lie and the bible says it is God's words, hence it cannot lie.

I didn't invite you to read it in order to fool you or anyhow you put it, I asked you to read it in search of the TRUTH, with an open mind.

Peace

ideaz:
I'm following the scriptures my friend. Search the same book, who is anti-christ fighting during the Armageddon before Jesus showed up?

Who is the armies of the north and south the anti-christ is fighting in the Armageddon? These are Russia and China respectively.

If you're still in doubt, I will get the scriptures for you.

Lol... See what Revelation said about the war of Armageddon bro...

Revelation 16:13-14, 16 "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon".

Again continued

Revelation 19:11-16, 19-20 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

I don't think Russia and China are the ones sitting on the horse that would destroy the beast, or what to you think?

Chosen1984:
My Brother, There is a Difference between Tribulations, Persecutions and The Great Tribulation!

Tribulations, Persecutions etc are what we are passing through right now..

The Great Tribulation is the 7year Period allotted to the antichrist to perform his Enterprise.

The Bride of Christ , the Saints will be taken away ( The Rapture) before this takes effect.

The Rapture of the Saints is what is Hindering the antichrist from his alloted time.

The Great Tribulation is that time when you will not be allowed to buy or sell except you have the Mark of the Beast on your Right hand or your Fore head.

The Great Tribulation will witness GOD'S Wrath on those left behind!

GOD has always taken his people away before His Wrath!

In Conclusion, The Rapture of the Saint will taken place before the Wrath comes on Earth

The presentation of points, paragraph by paragraph is quite commendable. However, your contribution is poor in scriptural backing. Please do a little homework in this regard and make your contribution excellent. Thanks.

paxonel:
Fake story of Antichrist and rapture .
Matthew 24 did not mention rapture, rather it explains all the events that will happen when Jesus was coming to earth to be crucified according Daniel's prophecy that was written down in the script (Matthew 24:15)

And 1Thessalonians 4 aimed at explaining resurrection of the dead not rapture.

Rapture was fake doctrine developed by primitive ancient catholic church and how is it fake?
They say it will happen soon.
They have been saying that since ancient Roman empire till now, how soon is that?

This is just a sign to let any reasonable person know that the doctrine is fake, because God isn't God who says something will happen and that thing isn't happening, he isn't a lair.

We are all learning you don’t have to call people fake becos of the little understanding they have.

Anyways could you explain the doctrine of first resurrection? Rev 20v5
because obviously the Bible is saying some will get to Jesus first. In that v5, it’s says “ the rest of the dead did not come to life...
Paul explains the coming of the lord ddnt split resurrection into two. He simply said Jesus will come in the cloud with a loud trumpet/call, the dead will rise first and those living will be caught up with them. Thess 4v16-18....

alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a notion out there which says that a COVID-19 vaccine might actually be the make of the beast otherwise known as 666. While many who hold the idea base it on speculations that the vaccine will be forced on people, some say it can't be the mark of the beast because the rapture must take place before the Antichrist shows up with his 666.

While no one is certain what the vaccine is, I just want to correct a notion among Christians which says rapture must take place before the Antichrist comes. This is a false doctrine not found in the Bible but in Hollywood movies.

Christians will be here on Earth when the Antichrist shows up and enforcing his mark. That is what Jesus Christ himself said.

The concept of rapture before the Antichrist was made popular by movies like LEFT BEHIND and some America. televangelists. Before 1800, there was no church or preacher holding such doctrine. It was started by a man named John Darby who even wrote his own Bible which lacked key verses. Today, the doctrine is held by roughly 65% of Christians. The doctrine that we will escape the tribulation is false and not Biblical.

Jesus himself spoke of when the rapture will take place. Notice how his disciples asked him to tell them what the signs of his coming will be.

Mathew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now read the further

24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In verse 9, Jesus spoke of Christians getting delievered up for persecution and are killed. That is the tribulation. But false teachers have taught that the people who will face such are unbelievers who are left behind after Christians have been raptured. Well, basically we all agree that the tribulation involves persecution. But the confusion here is who are the people to face the tribulation? Some believe it is unbelievers after Christians have been raptured, while some say it is Christians who will be persecuted by the Antichrist for failing to received the mark of the beast. Let's allow the Bible settle this confusion.

First, let us see whether Christians will be raptured before the tribulation or not.

[Mathew 24:29-31
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did you see the bold part in the passage above? Did you also see that the rapture takes place immediately after the tribulation of the end times? The events in verse 30 to 31 are the same as described by Apostle Paul in...

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

But some people have deceived many by saying that what Jesus said in Mathew 24 cannot be the rapture because he was talking to the Jews and not to Christians. Why is it not the rapture when it is the same event described by Paul? Trumpet, angels, God's people getting caught up to heaven etc.

Yes, Jesus was talking to the Jews because his disciples who asked him to tell them about the end time were still under Judaism. But if you read Mark 13 and Luke 21, you will see that it's the same thing Jesus said in Mathew 24. At the last verse of Mark 13, Jesus said what he's saying to the people whom some quarters are saying is not the church, he's saying to ALL which includes the church.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Now, we see that the tribulation occurs before the rapture, but who carries out the tribulation and what is it exactly? The tribulation is the persecution of Christians at the end time such as never was and never will be.

Mathew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Christians will be beheaded and persecuted all around the world. This persecution will be carried out by the Antichrist engineered by Satan himself.

Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)


The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist who exhaust himself above everything called god and forces people to worship him.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Did you read the passage above? Did you see where it spoke about the coming of our Lord Jesus? Did you see in verse 3 that the day which Jesus will come will not exists until the man of sin (Antichrist) is revealed? Read verse 4 as well.

Yet some people say Christians won't face the tribulation even when the Bible says the Antichrist who will persecute during the tribulation will come first before Jesus Christ who will come and deliver Christians from his grip. Many will mistake him for Christ.

Mathew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.



This Antichrist will wage war against the saints.

Revelations 13:4-8

13 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As you can see above, the Antichrist exhalst himself and blasphemes God's name. Is this not the same man Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, whom he said must first come before Jesus Christ comes back?

Now as seen in verse 7 above, the Antichrist wages war against the saints and will overcome many. Why is he waging war against the saint if some people believe the saints wont be around during the tribulations? In verse 13, everyone on earth is seen worshiping the Antichrist. Those who won't worship him are those whose names are written in the book of life. This is what will anger the Antichrist and make him wage war against them with great tribulation and persecution.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

What we see so far is that people with their names in the book of life won't worship the Antichrist. But I ask, what are they doing on earth? I thought some people said they would have been raptured and escaped.

The proponent of a pre-tribulation rapture doctrine have said that the people left behind will be unbelievers who will now have to pay with their blood to get saved. They are the ones the Antichrist will persecute. This is a lie. If all Christians will be raptured before the tribulation, then those left will be unbelievers who are already tools of Satan. Do you expect someone who doesn't give a damn about Jesus to stand with Jesus when a cutlass is placed on his neck? He will gladly received the mark of the beast because he's not used to suffering for Christ whom he never believed in.

In revelations 12:17, we see that Satan will make war against those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ. How some people believe that the people that Satan will make war against are unbelievers is what baffles me. Do unbelievers hold the testimony of Jesus? No.

Basically, what we've seen so far is that the Antichrist comes first, then follows a great tribulation which involves the persecution of Christians. It is immediately after the tribulation that Jesus Christ will appear and will redeem his people through a rapture.

Don't let anyone deceive you. Prepare yourself for that day which is fast approaching.

For the unbelievers, if you happen to be alive during the Great Tribulation, you still have the chance to be saved. Just listen to the preaching of Christians which will be very widespread by then because Christians will perform more during that period.

The reason why true Christians have no fear of the tribulation and the mark of the beast is because they cannot receive the mark no matter. They have been saved by Jesus and sealed with the mark of Christ. It is those who aren't saved but called themselves Christians that are worried and praying to bail out through a false rapture doctrine.

So, if COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast, I'm rest assured that it won't get to me. This may make me lose my job and so many things due to persecution, but not my love for God who has sealed me until the day of rapture when I will meet him in the sky when it is all over. Accept Jesus today by confessing your sins and relying on him. That's the only way to prevent yourself from receiving the 666 in whatever design it comes in.

Note:

As the lockdown period gets eased tomorrow, please beware of fake COVID-19 miracles from false prophets who have been looking for a way to cash in on the pandemic to safe face after discovering that their falsehood has been exposed for not seeing any vision about the coming of the virus. They are warming up, so beware.

Covid19 vaccine is not the mark of the Beast. It is a prelude to it and a dress rehearsal.

The real mark won't start to be used until the middle of Daniel's 70th week when Satan possesses the Antichrist and he enters the newly reconstructed temple, sits in the most holy place declaring himself God, the Abomination that will cause desolation.

Nonetheless, covid19 vaccine most likely will contain nonhuman genetic materials and nanotechnology particles.

The former carries a high risk of foreign genes getting integrated into our human genomic template rendering us subhuman. We become dehumanized and lose our bodily integrity.

The latter will will forever make us lose our individuality and privacy and freewill having been connected to an conscious / self aware and extremely intelligent AI Entity.

Antichrist will emerge but won't be recognized by the world until he appears in the Temple in Jerusalem to cause the Abomination.

A reconstructed temple is not yet in place. However all other requirements for the start of temple worship are practically in place: High Priest, Priests, temple utensils, the Sanhedrin, symbolic foundation laying ceremony for the new temple, etc

God will glorify Himself and all things will work together for good to those who love Him. He has set up His Church and the gates of hell will not prevail.

paxonel:
Fake story of Antichrist and rapture .
Matthew 24 did not mention rapture, rather it explains all the events that will happen when Jesus was coming to earth to be crucified according Daniel's prophecy that was written down in the script (Matthew 24:15)

And 1Thessalonians 4 aimed at explaining resurrection of the dead not rapture.

Rapture was fake doctrine developed by primitive ancient catholic church and how is it fake?
They say it will happen soon.
They have been saying that since ancient Roman empire till now, how soon is that?

This is just a sign to let any reasonable person know that the doctrine is fake, because God isn't God who says something will happen and that thing isn't happening, he isn't a lair.

Are u a gnostic Christian?

Taway:
The presentation of points, paragraph by paragraph is quite commendable. However, your contribution is poor in scriptural backing. Please do a little homework in this regard and make your contribution excellent. Thanks.

If u look well you will see where I Scripturally put things out.

Carefully look out for it in the first page

1StopRudeness:
We are all learning you don’t have to call people fake becos of the little understanding they have

people?
I didn't call anyone fake o, I said the doctrine is fake.

Anyways could you explain the doctrine of first resurrection? Rev 20v5
because obviously the Bible is saying some will get to Jesus first. In that v5, it’s says “ the rest of the dead did not come to life...

this is based on the revelation of John about what happens to men after they die. The bottom-line is, rest of the dead who did not come back to life were people who did not take part in the first resurrection by believing in Christ while they were alive. By so doing, their names were not in the book of the lamb as indicated in Revelation 20:15

Paul explains the coming of the lord ddnt split resurrection into two. He simply said Jesus will come in the cloud with a loud trumpet/call, the dead will rise first and those living will be caught up with them. Thess 4v16-18....

read 1 Corinthians 15:35 to the end you will have a proper understanding of what was trying to say in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, he was basically saying the same thing which is resurrection of the dead and not rapture.

Jesus will come in the clouds.
The clouds there signifies heaven, the sound of the trumpet there signifies death, that we will all die someday to face immediate judgement. Trumpet is used there as a call that when anyone dies his time has reach.
After the judgement those who died in Christ will be resurrected immediately,therefore death has been defeated.
And the reality of things right now is that we are already in that heaven through the resurrection of Christ there is no other heaven but resurrection of the dead here on this earth.

oluwaahmed:
Are u a gnostic Christian?

you have no basis of asking that kinda question seeing that i backed up everything is said with scriptures which i stand to be corrected.

[s]m rest assured that it won't get to me. This may make me lose my job and so many things due to persecution, but not my love for God who has sealed me until the day of rapture when I will meet him in the sky when it is all over.[/s].

Do not be over confident... Only God knows his elect.

MrPresident1:
Heaven is upgraded enjoyment, as I told someone just now every enjoyment that is on earth now will be upgraded by at least one gazillion times * one quadrillion times, then subtract sorrow, pain, sickness, disease etc, do this calculations in your mind then you will begin to have only a faint idea how sweet the tree of life will be.

How do intelligent people prefer the tree of death over the tree of life?

Lol its so funny how people make assumptions on how Heaven looks like, a living man has no idea how Heaven looks like

MrPresident1:
Heaven is upgraded enjoyment, as I told someone just now every enjoyment that is on earth now will be upgraded by at least one gazillion times * one quadrillion times, then subtract sorrow, pain, sickness, disease etc, do this calculations in your mind then you will begin to have only a faint idea how sweet the tree of life will be.

How do intelligent people prefer the tree of death over the tree of life?

baba u get time to dey explain oo

Pelecius:
This is nice but I would have love if answers or links to answers to those questions were provided.
I don't know if you are aware of creation.com of Creation Ministries International

Thank you.
Answers to which questions? The ones I asked in my reply? If yes, well, it really begins with you pondering on them. I gave clues as how to answer those questions in the same reply. The point in trying to get a reader to see is that there is more to the message of heaven and hell and destruction of the earth and people burning in fire.

And no, I have never heard of or visited creation.com. What is the site about?

paxonel:
people?
I didn't call anyone fake o, I said the doctrine is fake.
this is based on the revelation of John about what happens to men after they die. The bottom-line is, rest of the dead who did not come back to life were people who did not take part in the first resurrection by believing in Christ while they were alive. By so doing, their names were not in the book of the lamb as indicated in Revelation 20:15
read 1 Corinthians 15:35 to the end you will have a proper understanding of what was trying to say in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, he was basically saying the same thing which is resurrection of the dead and not rapture.

Jesus will come in the clouds.
The clouds there signifies heaven, the sound of the trumpet there signifies death, that we will all die someday to face immediate judgement. Trumpet is used there as a call that when anyone dies his time has reach.
After the judgement those who died in Christ will be resurrected immediately,therefore death has been defeated.
And the reality of things right now is that we are already in that heaven through the resurrection of Christ there is no other heaven but resurrection of the dead here on this earth.

Finally 2nd thes 2v7 ...what is Paul referring to as “resisting”the lawless one... until that which is resisting him is taken, the lawless one won’t come..... taken here meaning rapture...
This is another scripture pple use to back doctrine of rapture.... that the lawless one can’t thrive during the church...
If u don’t believe it’s the church that will be taken b4 the lawless one is fully reveled....

then who is resisting the lawless one??
and why will it be taken? What for?? If something is resisting the full take over if the man of sin( the lawless one) why remove it, if it isn’t necessary to be removed??

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MrPresident1:
You're being presumptuous lol. He is coming to teach us how to enjoy life, the tree of life and its fruits. We will have upgraded enjoyment.

Olosho smoking etc are from the tree of death, so you can imagine the upgraded pleasures that the tree of life has in store

Take a look at what the resurrected saints will be capable of doing in the Millenial reign of Christ.

https://rapturewatcher./immortal-saint-what-will-determine-your-eternal-heavenly-rewards/


As a glorified Saint, your immortal body and clothes will always glow gloriously forever (Luke 9:28-36). Your glorified body and brain will possess supernatural powers. Your supernatural brain will be better than the most sophisticated computer or Smartphone in the world. You won’t need iPhone or Skype to communicate or vehicles to go from one place to another. Just desiring any information will bring it to your mind! You can also read the thought of another person near you or far away from you. If you feel like, you can use any sophisticated computer or Smart-phone that will be available during the Millennial kingdom period. There will be new and sophisticated technological inventions during the Millennium due to our superior knowledge. Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.

As a glorified Saint, distance will never be a barrier for you for eternity. Just thinking about going somewhere will get you there! However, if you feel like, you can use any vehicle, train, ship or an airplane. Just like our Lord Jesus Christ, you can walk on top of any river, lake or sea without sinking (John 6:16-21). In reality, you can also fly anywhere you want to go at the speed of light better than the science fiction character: “Superman.” As a glorified Saint, you can appear anywhere you want to go suddenly! Alternatively, you can also disappear suddenly! (Luke 24:13-49). Yes, as a glorified Saint, you will possess super-human abilities. This is not a science fiction or genetics engineering. It is a reality! As glorified Saints with glorified bodies, we have been blessed with our eternal inheritance through the special grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:35-58).

For eternity, all the things you can’t do in your mortal body, you will be able to do them as an immortal glorified Saint. You will never get tired or fall sick for eternity! You will have a youngish and radiant look forever! All glorified Saints will look young and handsome or beautiful forever! No aging wrinkles on your face for eternity! Your eye-sight will be perfect forever, no need for reading glasses again. No terminal disease or ailment in your glorified body forever! You can never die! You can’t die or become injured if you fall down from any great height. Gun-shot or dangerous weapons can’t kill you. No poison can kill you. Vehicle accident, car-crash or plane crash can’t kill you. If you are swimming in the swimming pool, river, lake or sea, you can go down and breathe under water! Yes, as a glorified Saint with a glorified body, you will be like a “Superman” or “Superwoman” forever! Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.

In reality, you will be able to do what you can only imagine presently. Super-heroes in Science fiction films are fictional characters but glorified Saints with super-human abilities will become a reality during the Millennium and for eternity! You will remain strong and energetic forever! You can walk through closed doors or wall (John 20:19-29). You can float or fly in the air like a bird. If you feel like, you can ascend into the sky through the ceiling and roof of any building without causing any structural damage to the building. You can traverse from earthly Jerusalem or any part of the world to heavenly New Jerusalem at will (Luke 24: 50-52; Acts 1:6-11). You can also get to any part of the world supernaturally within a twinkle of an eye! As a glorified Saint, there is no limitation for you for eternity! Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Chosen1984:
My Brother, There is a Difference between Tribulations, Persecutions and The Great Tribulation!

Tribulations, Persecutions etc are what we are passing through right now..

The Great Tribulation is the 7year Period allotted to the antichrist to perform his Enterprise.

The Bride of Christ , the Saints will be taken away ( The Rapture) before this takes effect.

The Rapture of the Saints is what is Hindering the antichrist from his alloted time.

The Great Tribulation is that time when you will not be allowed to buy or sell except you have the Mark of the Beast on your Right hand or your Fore head.

The Great Tribulation will witness GOD'S Wrath on those left behind!

GOD has always taken his people away before His Wrath!

In Conclusion, The Rapture of the Saint will taken place before the Wrath comes on Earth

thank you for this! You have knowledge. I remember the dream of rapture I heard, 7 minutes of darkness from the south cover the earth and at the eight minute light from the east dispels it and light up the world brilliantly. Also another dream where angels came and gather us away from earth even as dark clouds were about to be poured on earth.

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DaddyGngeess:
This is not the first time a deadly virus is hiting earth due I didn't read the long episode the earth will be heal again soon and everything returns to normal..peace

Please go to Nowtheendbegins.com and you will see alot of articles pointing to the mark of the beast, one world government and religion.
The Billgates vaccine chip is not the mark of the beast. But Billgates is working on a digital microchip with every biometrics imaginable, that is most likely the mark.

The NWO is imminent sign of the Rapture and then the Antichrist, then the Millenial kingdom/Second coming of Christ.

alBHAGDADI:
I'm sorry, but you didn't back any claim of yours with scripture. It is more like you just posted what you've been told over time.

You claim that the saints will be taken away before the Antichrist comes, yet the book of Revelations states that he will wage war against the saints. Please which saints is the book of Revelations talking about? The raptured ones or the unraptured?

Revelations 13:7
13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Read Revelation 12 with understanding.
Verse 5, the child that was caught up, that's the rapture of those that are asleep in christ and those that are ready for his appearance filled with his spirit.

NextD18:
It is known that Religion and common sense don't work together, reason I'll very foolish to read this rubbish just to agree that Coronavirus is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Why not keep your thoughts to yourself? Faith things are personal.

MrPRevailer:
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Please go to Nowtheendbegins.com and you will see alot of articles pointing to the mark of the beast, one world government and religion.
The Billgates vaccine chip is not the mark of the beast. But Billgates is working on a digital microchip with every biometrics imaginable, that is most likely the mark.

The NWO is imminent sign of the Rapture and then the Antichrist, then the Millenial kingdom/Second coming of Christ.

The truth about life is that our minds and made to believe what we wanna believe in respective of what we are thought or heard, so leave all this go and read this or that. Peace