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| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Dedetwo(m): 7:05pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:Nigerians must stand in the way of falsehood. Please do not join Gowon's decrees 8 and 14 with decree 34. It will amount to mockery of Nigerian educational system. The dumbass Gowon claimed decrees 8 and 14 abolished certain aspect of decree 34. When asked to show the aspect of decree34 abolished by his decrees, Gowon drew blank. Decree 34 was mere unification of civil service structure in Nigeria. Gowon abolished regionalism in Nigeria with decrees 8 and 14 which created states in place of regions and he appointed state administrators which Ukpabi Askia was one of them. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by gidgiddy(op): 7:07pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:So in other words, you dont have anything practical that Ironsi abolished Regionalism and removed true federalism except that Ironsi said "All Nigerians want an end to Regionalism" Well if you dont know it, know it now. Ironsi never abolished the Regions. In fact, all 4 Regions were existing and functioning even up to the day Ironsi was killed. The person who abolished the Regions was Gowon. Gowon came in after Ironsi and enacted decree 14 of 1967 that abolished all 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states. The decree is below
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| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:19pm On May 03, 2020 |
Dedetwo:That mere unification you called it, it's more bigger than you thought. Check this statement that was issued. The Supreme Military Council met on 7 and 8 June 1966 and issued the following statement: “The public must not be led to confuse the Military Government with government by a civilian regime under a constitution approved by the people. Nobody will expect the present Military Government to cease to function until new constitution has been approved or to be compelled to operate the old system of government with its obvious weakness. It cannot be too seriously emphasized that the Military Government while in office can only run the government as a military government under a unified command. It cannot afford to run five separate governments and separate services as if it were a civilian regime. Final decisions on the territorial structure of the country and the public services will be matters for the Constituent Assembly and the referendum. What do they mean by 1. 5 separate governments and separate services. 2. Military government while in office can only run the government as military. Remember the regions were operating on their own. 3. .......as if it were a civilian regime. What does civilian regime means? By abolishing the regions and making them come together? By using resources of other regions? By making the centre powerful? |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:20pm On May 03, 2020 |
gidgiddy:Bottom line Is Aguyi ironsi started it Gowon finished it. If you don't accept it like that, then you have many questions to answer then. You can check my previous comment above yours and pick a line of question to answer |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:24pm On May 03, 2020 |
Gidgiddy, dedetwo Aguyi ironsi started it Gowon finished it.
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| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Dedetwo(m): 7:27pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:It became bigger than what an undiscerning onlooker thought because the Emirs, political elites from northern region, cronies and local authority were rendered out of service. In addition, the Emirs and northern political elites jumped into the normal conspiracy theory that it was designed by Ironsi to bring more educated easterners to take over civil service jobs in northern region. Yet the goons turned around and shouted One-Nigeria. I want nothing but unconditional disintegration of shithole called Nigeria. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:31pm On May 03, 2020 |
Dedetwo:Yes, I agree. Because it was at the disadvantages of the North |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Dedetwo(m): 7:43pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:The military had suspended the Nigerian constitution and still maintained the regional structure of the republic. Anybody who thinks Nigeria remained the way it was during the era of civilian rule is either naïve or plain ignorance. During the era in discuss, regions where divided in county councils or local authorities. The local authorities were areas such as Emirates. The military abolished them and usher in Provinces and Divisions yet with regionalism. Today we have States and LGAs. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Dedetwo(m): 7:48pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:Sammy, enlightened Nigerians must have hands on their hips to save the county if it is not too late already. Nigerians want Nigeria to look like USA yet they talk about what is disadvantage or advantage to the regions hence a fight to rubbish. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 8:18pm On May 03, 2020 |
Dedetwo:Gbam! Thread closed. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by gidgiddy(op): 8:33pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:What exactly did Ironsi start? Did Ironsi abolish the Regions or not? If you say he abolished the Regions then how come the 4 Regions were still in existence even to the day Ironsi died? Gowon came in after Ironsi and within months, Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states. Dwelling on what Ironsi said, rather than what he actually did is the reasoning of kids. I dont care what Ironsi said, Im only interested in what he did and he did nothing wrong |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 8:45pm On May 03, 2020 |
gidgiddy:I know you won't agree cos he's of your tribe. Read this report carefully and tell me if there is nothing wrong with ironsi. If you insist he didn't do anything wrong I don't think I can engage you further
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| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by gidgiddy(op): 8:54pm On May 03, 2020 |
Sammy07:So its all about what Ironsi said, but not what he did? You cant state anything Ironsi actually did to abolish the Regions? I rest my case. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 8:59pm On May 03, 2020 |
gidgiddy:But it may interest you to know that military era is different from civilian era. Anytime a decree / edit/ act is made, it has become a law.. I also rest my case. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 7:19am On May 04, 2020 |
Sammy07:Google will bring up ignorant opinions like yours so don't go there So Ironsi criticising the weaknesses of regionalism under Tafawa Balewa = to abolishing the regions ![]() I thought you had something real to offer. Now read carefully...Ironsi until he died, had regional governors who could make laws for their regions. He felt he could strengthen his govt by enacting decree 34 and unifying the civil service (ministries etc) . Gowon created states not Ironsi! Is it clear now or do we have to connect your brain to a server before you can learn the facts |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:22am On May 04, 2020 |
joeyfire:Explain what us written in the pics below b4 we continue.
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| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 7:40am On May 04, 2020 |
Sammy07:It means Ironsi criticised "intense" regionalism and enacted a decree and changed the names from regions to provinces but still retained administrators over those regional spaces. The question I ask is did he appoint governors for all the provinces? No! Did he abolish resource control? No! Was the western region still collecting the bulk of revenue from the Lagos ports? Yes! Eastern region collecting bulk of income from oil and palm? Yes! |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 7:45am On May 04, 2020 |
gidgiddy:Gowon was a fantastic puppet o damn |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 7:53am On May 04, 2020 |
joeyfire:You can't just escape it that Irosin abolished it. ![]() Abolishing is a gradual process. He stated it Gowon finished it. Just accept the fact. If he didn't started it, gowon won't be able to create more states. In fact, he might not think of it. But he stated by issuing Decree 34, abolishing Regionalism / federalism and then becoming A republic. Why is it that among everyone of them, only Ojokwu accepted the decree ![]() Why do u think its of the disadvantages of the North then? ![]() The Supreme Military Council met on 7 and 8 June 1966 and issued the following statement: “The public must not be led to confuse the Military Government with government by a civilian regime under a constitution approved by the people. Nobody will expect the present Military Government to cease to function until new constitution has been approved or to be compelled to operate the old system of government with its obvious weakness. It cannot be too seriously emphasized that the Military Government while in office can only run the government as a military government under a unified command. It cannot afford to run five separate governments and separate services as if it were a civilian regime. Final decisions on the territorial structure of the country and the public services will be matters for the Constituent Assembly and the referendum. What do they mean by 1. 5 separate governments and separate services. 2. Military government while in office can only run the government as military. Remember the regions were operating on their own. 3. .......as if it were a civilian regime. What does civilian regime means? By abolishing the regions and making them come together? By using resources of other regions? By making the centre powerful? It's even clearly written in the pics I showed to you. It's either you accept the fact that Ironsi started it and gowon finished it Or Ironsi Abolished it. You cannot tell is ironsi doesn't have hand it ![]() Till today, if you goggle who destroy regional government in Nigeria, it will always bring Ironsi b4 gowon. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 8:23am On May 04, 2020 |
Sammy07:Lol @ "Abolishing is a gradual process". A military dictator does not need to do anything gradually because he has absolute power. Gowon did it in one swoop and took the regions out of existence. He created states, gave every state a governor and put them all 100% under his control. Something Ironsi didn't do. You are displaying cognitive dissonance (Google it ) So it will be hard for you to accept the facts. Google searches lead you to information and you form an opinion after analysing what you read. Gowon who took away regionalism, resource control and created useless states and feeding bottle federalism is your hero but Ironsi who retained regions under a different name but with all the perks like resource control is who you want to label a villain? Enjoy your tribalism, some of us will always use our brains and form objective opinions |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 8:26am On May 04, 2020 |
joeyfire:Can you explain to this forum why decree 34 was a controversial decree while gowon decree isn't ![]() |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 8:39am On May 04, 2020 |
Sammy07:Its called cognitive dissonance. Same reason why Nzeogwu, Ademoyega, Ifeajuna, Gibson Jalo coup is called an "Igbo coup" but Dimka, Parwang and Bisalla coup is not called a "middle belt/angas coup" |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 8:42am On May 04, 2020 |
joeyfire:Well, it was probably called Igbo group, maybe because there is nothing like South south then or so |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by joeyfire(m): 8:45am On May 04, 2020 |
Sammy07:So Ademoyega, Gibson Jalo, Fola Oyewole etc are from South-South? The plotters of the coup that took out Murtala were 99% angas (Gowon tribe) but no one called it Angas coup. Why is that? |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Sammy07: 9:03am On May 04, 2020 |
joeyfire:Well actually I don't know. But judging the two senero is a bit different. Like nzeogwu coup, leaders of North and West were killed leaving the leaders of East unkilled. After the senero, Aguyi ironsi (igbo) came to took the government. MAYBE that's why it's termed Igbo coup |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Miracle1991: 9:16am On May 04, 2020 |
gidgiddy:please go and read the decree 34 first before coming here to fool yourself with this stale victim mentality. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by Chikelue2000(m): 9:45am On May 04, 2020 |
SonOfEl:now take a look at Buhari of today....if Ironsi had added more Igbos to his cabinet...dis fools we see here will still talk....let me eeven say dis....even if Ironsi had killed d coup plotters, our noisy neighbours will still talk...so forget about justification....Buhari should rule us till 2050 |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by BluntTheApostle(m): 10:28am On May 04, 2020 |
gidgiddy:If Ironsi were not a part of the coup. Nothing special about that. Gowon was also not part of the counter coup. Fact 2: You said that Ironsi coerced the remnants of the Balewa Regime to hand over power to him? If that is true then it is to Ironsi's credit. All those who came after Ironsi shot, killed, arrested, detained and tortured anyone who stood between them and power. They did not waste time trying to coerce anybody.We have palace coups. The coup that ousted Gowon, the coup that ousted Shonekan. Fact 3: Decree 34 did not do anything to Nigeria. That decree recognized the 4 Regions, their right to exist and control their resources and maintained the revenue sharing formular and fiscal independence agreed at independence. Contrast that to Gowons decree 14 a year later. Gowons decree 14 abolished all for regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control, abolished the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence and reversed the fiscal policy. Decree 34 was never the problem, the problem was that Ironsi was Igbo. All those who said that decree 34 was demonic were they same people who a year later, cheered Gowons decree 14 that was a thousand times worse that Ironsi's decree 34. Total hypocrisyBut Azikwe was Igbo. How come no one had any problem with him? Fact 4: Some people say that Ironsi did not punish the coup plotters within the 6 months he was in power. Gowon did not punish them either in the one year he was in power before the war started. But nobody talk about Gowon because he is a Northerner, they talk about Ironsi because he is IgboSo, Gowon who was trying to douse ethnic tension should have done what Ironsi was supposed to have done to douse the ethnic tension that eventually swallowed him? Suspicion followed the coup of January 1966, and for good reasons too. Not one prominent Igbo politician or officer was touched. Then, an Igbo became Head of State, and this Head of State refused to execute the coup plotters for sabotaging our democracy. If he had done the right thing, the Northerners wouldn't have become so suspicious about his part in the coup. It is clear that Ironsi's only crime was being IgboWhy do Igbos like playing the victim's card? |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by pmoye(m): 10:39am On May 04, 2020 |
Prof, teach them, they missed their history lessons in school. Good one! Covidodo: |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by pmoye(m): 10:58am On May 04, 2020 |
In summary, Ironsi basically appointed his Igbo kinsmen into critical offices, the same thing we are blaming Bubu for today. What goes around truly comes around. Sammy07: |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by SonOfEl(m): 11:48am On May 04, 2020 |
BluntTheApostle:Because Akinjide served the wishes of the northerners. It later brought discord between him and Awolowo during the Election leading to the second republic. I for one I don't expect a Yoruba appointee to speak against his northern benefactor. Look for the book, "12 years of Military Rule" published by daily times. |
| Re: 4 Reasons Why Aguiyi Ironsi Was The Best Military Head Of State Nigeria Ever Had by SonOfEl(m): 11:56am On May 04, 2020 |
Covidodo:What a beautiful lengthy piece of trash! Even the coup plotters themselves confessed that Ironsi was penciled for assassination. Your speculations and presumptions are as lame as they come. Revisionism regardless of the semantics and half-truths you use won't help you. It only exposes your dubiousness. You can't change history. |
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So Ironsi criticising the weaknesses of regionalism under Tafawa Balewa = to abolishing the regions 