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Triplerg:
How do you explain Matthew 24:22 in the light of your statement?

solite3:
The great tribulation is different from tribulations which the church has being going through,

solite3:
The church is the collection of all believers in Christ.

petra1:
the church is not supposed to go through tribulation at all. its the rapture of the church that is the imminent which will usher the world into the 7 year tribulation

Triplerg:
So the great tribulation is for unbelievers? The days will be cut short for the sake of the elect. Who are the elect? Why should the days be cut short for their sake if they are not affected?

solite3:
yes that is what I said.

solite3:
the elect are the 144 000 jews that will come to the faith of Jesus christ during that seven years period and also other gentile unbelievers who would come to faith also.
After the Rapture there is going to be a great Revival in Israel as prophesied by the prophets.

petra1:
You said the church is already going through tribulation

solite3:
yes the church had being going through tribulations but not the great tribulation.

petra1:
According to the Bible The 7 year tribulation starts after the rapture

solite3:
please read op again.
Yes the seven years tribulation start after Rapture.

petra1:
When you say the church is already going through the tribulation it gives impression that the rapture has taken place

solite3:
The great tribulation is different from tribulations which the church has being going through

petra1:
Maybe your use of the term tribulation is what made the write up a little confusing. I think you could have used persecution rather . Because there is one major tribulation prophesied in the bible which is the 7year tribulation after the rapture. Which is divided into two 3 and half years each . The second part of the 7 years is called Great Tribulation.

Now what made the write up confusing is that there are 3 schools of thoughts about the tribulation and rapture.

1. POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE
believe the church will go through the whole 7years of Tribulation and then rapture takes place. ( they see rapture and second coming of christ as same )

2. MID TRIBULATION RAPTURE

Teaches that the church will go through half of the tribulation but not the great tribulation. And the rapture will take place before the 2nd half (that's what your post suggests to me )

3 PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE
Teaches that the church will neither see Tribulatuon at all . The rapture will take place before the tribulation

So when you say the church has been going through tribulation. It suggests you hold the opinion of mid tribulation rapture .

But If that's not your opinion . I would have suggested you use the term "PERSECUTION " for what the church has been going through.

solite3:
Thank you very much, yes I meant persecution.
But again the church has gone through tribulations
Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The seven years tribulation is not the only tribulation in the bible.

The op clearly made a case for pre tribulation rapture, the seven years tribulation will not come to pass until the church age is over.

petra1:
Okay ,i guess I misunderstood you

hakeem4:
Great Tribulation has not started. To be honest the world is not coming to an end anytime soon

solite3:
God did not appoint the church for wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Meaning the church shall be taken away before the great tribulation.

escapethecage:
God had to start a new work to raise the later rain army. The opening of the sixth seal was not the end of the story. In the sixth seal God began to identify His people again. Those sealed are those identified. .

escapethecage:
In Matthew we are told the sun will go dark after the great tribulation. The sun that went dark was the Catholic Church and it's torment of believers. Those dressed on white were told that the heat of the sun will not hurt them again. The scripture meant catholic church. God is now in charge again to lead them to fountains of living water. It means the same thing as what Christ told the samaritan woman.

Kobojunkie:
Why in the world would God need, of all things, an army of men? Jesus never mentioned anything about God needing to build an army of men(if anything He already has one - Matthew 25: 31-46

escapethecage:
GUESS WORK. "Who are these dressed in white......these are they that come out of the great tribulation" Rev.... Great tribulation is over, we are now waiting for these people dressed in white, the later rain army of God prepared to terrorise the world. Note that the 1260 years catholic burnings. Murdering, slaughtering and torture of fellow believers who disagree with them was the Great tribulation. How can 7 years be great trouble after 430 years in Egypt and 70 years in Babylon. Stop making guess work, always consider all scriptures before forming a doctrine.

solite3:
The catholic inquisition was not the great tribulation, even before the catholic inquisition the church has passed through persecution similar or even greater ones. The great tribulation is the final tribulation before Christ comes, it will be worst for israel than th the 430 years in prison and 70 years in babylon.

Read the book of Matthew 24, that is where great tribulation came from. Jesus was speaking concerning the jews

Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

at bolded which latter rain army, where is such in the bible.

solite3:
Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

escapethecage:
Angels are God's army in heaven and evangelists are Gods army in the earth. God cannot use angels to evangelise.
Don't limit your knowledge of the great tribulation to Matthew 25:31-46