mrvitalis:

The problem yorubas have is you hurt someone and you expect them to forget and move one with you as if nothing happened but you keep remembering the bad things you think they did to you ....like how u guys expect south south to forget about 2015 and vote for you in 2023 ....no body is a fool

U really expected zik to form an alliance with awolowo that has displayed open hatred for him for no just reason for years ...the man that scaled alafin of Oyo because he preferred zik leadership style

Honestly u people must thing the rest Nigerians are fools that u can manipulate

These is the same reason Igbo have chosen to work with north even tho we hate it .....

North have only worked with yorubas only when igbos reject their offer ....you Yorubas are never anyone's first choice ...no body trust you guys


So if you were zik u would from alliance with awolowo ??

My God! So what the OP wrote is true??
And you have been calling the Yorubas all sort of names?
So you guys were the ones that really truly sold out to the North

I feel so shocked to hear this.
And you have been crying wolf against the Yorubas all over this forum??

Haba now!!!

nku5:
OP- So you think posting this padded and skewed write-up can make any difference? The votes could never have made a difference because the British created a northern region with more votes than west and eastern region combined. A little research could have helped you.

If you guys think spamming NL with all this revised history to attack igbos will help a Yoruba man become president in 2023 then you all are on a loooong thing. The north is not giving Tinubu any thing except a few contracts and Osunbande as VP to el- rufai or whoever they select

But if Zik had formed alliance with Awo, they would have beaten the North hands down.

nku5:


The useless copy and paste is full of lies and half truths but these are a sample



In one sentence he is saying Zik was powerless and checkmated by Balewa and in the next he is saying Zik made Balewa arrest Awo

How could Zik have made Balewa create the Midwest region when it was created by a referendum that chose to separate from the Yorubas in a huge landslide. Was Zik a god?

Like I said before if all this anti igbo propaganda we are seeing everywhere is to impress the north ahead of 2023 then yorubas have a lot to learn about the north

Zik sided with the North.
Why he did it, of course is being explained away by you.
But it doesn't change the fact that Zik tipped the scale in favour of the North.
A crime you guys have continually blamed the Yorubas for all over this Forum.

Assuming this account of event is right as it seem fair enough to argue on. Why did Azikiwe that is more educated with more seat at the parliament chose to be a ceremonial president?

Does he not know the difference btw a Prime Minister n a ceremonial president ? Is the choice he made not the worst of the possibilities that could ever happen ?

Pls explain how does a double headed snake n chameleon stop Azikiwe from dictating the terms of a discussion he as the majority ?

Ojiofor:
We have Read from Lagos/Ibadan express way propaganda media,now let us read from an unbiased account from the other side.


The second account reflects the inability of Dr. Azikiwe and Chief Awolowo to reach a common ground at the critical moment so that one of them would become Prime Minister instead of Alhaji Balewa. Azikiwe had been blamed particularly by loyalists of Awolowo for preferring to align with NPC rather than with the AG. In my opinion, that is partially correct, which is probably an unfortunate outcome of the disappointment felt by NCNC leaders as a result of the carpet crossing episode of 1952. However, Chief Mbazulike Amaechi, a diehard supporter of Dr. Azikiwe, presented a different perspective on the issue about eight years ago.
According to Chief Amaechi, after the 1959 election when it became obvious that a coalition government must be formed to take over from the departing British colonialists, a delegation from the AG went to discuss the matter with NCNC leaders in Azikiwe’s Onitsha residence. It proposed that both parties should form an alliance such that Azikiwe would become Prime Minister while Awolowo would serve as the finance minister. While the discussion was on, Azikiwe went upstairs to answer a telephone call. Upon his return, Azikiwe told the AG delegation that the NCNC would consider AG’s proposal and send a delegation back to Chief Awolowo.

When the AG delegation left, Dr. Azikiwe informed the NCNC leaders present that the telephone call he went to answer was from the Sardauna of Sokoto and that the Sardauna had informed him of a delegation from Chief Awolowo which visited him offering NPC precisely what the other delegation that just left them offered their own party, the NCNC. Probably concluding that AG is a double-headed snake, Dr. Azikiwe decided to negotiate with the Sardauna.

During the negotiation, Ahmadu Bello insisted that the north should produce the Prime Minister, otherwise they were not ready for independence. In the agreement to end British colonial rule signed at Lancaster House, it was agreed that if any region said it was not ready for independence, the process will be postponed until all regions were willing to go ahead. According to Chief Amaechi, northern leaders took advantage of that agreement. Dr. Azikiwe and top leaders of the NCNC reasoned that having fought and sacrificed so much for political freedom, it was preferable to allow the north produce the first Prime Minister so that independence would be attained as soon as possible.
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/the-problem-of-retrogressive-politics-in-nigeria-4/
cc:Iampatriotic

Zik and NCNC leadership was dealing with a double headed snake and a chameleon.

Top1gun:
Assuming this account of event is right as it seem fair enough to argue on. Why did Azikiwe that is more educated with mode seat at the parliament chose to be a ceremonial president?

Does he not know the difference btw a Prime Minister n a ceremonial president ? Is the choice he made not the worst of the possibilities that could ever happen ?

Pls explain how does a double headed snake n chameleon stop Azikiwe from dictating the terms of a discussion he as the majority ?

Read before you comment.

During the negotiation, Ahmadu Bello insisted that the north should produce the Prime Minister, otherwise they were not ready for independence. In the agreement to end British colonial rule signed at Lancaster House, it was agreed that if any region said it was not ready for independence, the process will be postponed until all regions were willing to go ahead. According to Chief Amaechi, northern leaders took advantage of that agreement. Dr. Azikiwe and top leaders of the NCNC reasoned that having fought and sacrificed so much for political freedom, it was preferable to allow the north produce the first Prime Minister so that independence would be attained as soon as possible.
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/the-problem-of-retrogressive-politics-in-nigeria-4/

To be honest igbos and Fulani have one thing in common "Born to rule mentality"/ " The zeal of dominance" .

Igbos would have held us by the balls had it been Major Kaduna coup was successful and all the tribes of Nigeria would have become their slaves one way or the other. But thank God for the likes of Gowon, Abacha, IBB, Buhari and other fearless soldiers that halted the igbo dominance plan through their wisdom and foresight they eliminated Ironsi and reclaim power.

We can all see their narcissist behaviour despite the fact they are more like 5th class citizen behind Hausa, Yoruba, Kanuri and Ijaw, but yet they beat chest call other tribes all sort of names, marginalized other minorities in SS and SE in fact they committed so many atrocious behaviours towards their countrymen. And still they want that same countrymen to hand them over the country on a platter of gold Tell me where is the logic behind it?

The rest of the country have deep trust issues towards igbos, I won't rule out the fact that there are good honest igbos that are Patriot in fact we have few of them here on nairaland but the bad ones have overshadowed the good ones, the bad ones have the loudest voice they are even intimidating their fellow good Igbos that have different political views from theirs.


Go to Facebook look at the various news outlets on Facebook if you see anyone that throw tantrums check his name you will that he is Igbo.

The earlier Igbos understand that in politics there is no permanent friend, no permanent enemy the better. The north understands this, the SW understand this.


The alliance between Igbos and Fulani (as you all call north) is not feasible it is unrealistic because they have the same mindset of dominance

Top1gun:
Foolish people like you don't get to decide how political event panes out.

But people like u can

Top1gun:
But the south south Bayelsa in particular vote APC ignoring the fact that same APC took the presidency from them. Your tribe is definitely doomed to wail to death over a problem that is not yours.

You foolishly claim British handed power to the North neglecting the very fact that a fool from your tribe singlehandedly handed power to the North over plain foolishness.

What did Awo do to Azikiwe for him to cut of his nose to spite his face ? Today 3 million Igbos lost to his foolishness n endless wailing from the same Igbos for freedom.

What as how the north look got to do with the poor leadership n decision making of the cursed n dullard Azikiwe who as no foresight or hindsight?

This same foolish igbo to over the party a Yoruba man built n led with no tribe complaining about leadership gross inefficiency as exhibited by the fool Azikiwe.

It is God that you worship that will punish your entire household if Igbo let go of the past to be on a fair page with the Yoruba. May Amadioha strike you n your entire household dead should you ever reconsider.

Yorubas took the presidency from them ...by stabbing them in the back ....not was never an ally

JAMO84:
You claim to know Yoruba so well when in fact, you know nothing about how our politics works.

If the north try the nonsense of hanging on to power in 2023, all it would take to destroy any alliance between Igbo and north is to revive the ACN, get a good candidate from south south and back it up with another good VP from north east, give the party chairman to a middle beltan to gain there confidence and leave Igbo to continue licking Fulani asses like you've been doing since 1959!!!


I AM DONE TALKING

Lol you know nothing about politics ...acn that could not do it a Northern candidate ....or with a vice president ? Tell me another story

You think south south are fools really ... U think anyone can ever trust yorubas ? Lol

mrvitalis:

Lol you know nothing about politics ...acn that could not do it a Northern candidate ....or with a vice president ? Tell me another story

You think south south are fools really ... U think anyone can ever trust yorubas ? Lol

Yorubas have always stood their ground either in central government or in opposition. We have always held our heads high and 2023 will not be different.

However Igbos have been slaves that have been trampled on by virtually all tribes in Nigeria since 1959. They have always played second fiddle to any alliance they enter into without no option to rule as true sons of the nation.

Azikwe did it and was discarded like a used menstrual pad.

The dishonorable Ojukwu even campaigned openly for Shagari, a Fulani man that ought to be his sworn enemy going by the fact that the civil war just ended 13 years before. He also went live on TV and said what the Igbo want is presidency. Ojukwu clamoring for Igbo presidency as at 1983 like a true slave.

However since then, his sibilings have been trapped as slaves in Nigeria and they’ve been begging for either Referendum, presidency, regional govt, or Biafra like toddlers.

One thing you fail to understand is that Yorubas have learnt from the political miscalculation of Awolowo where he made sure he did not align with the Northerners in politics till his demise. We will make sure we never leave the alliance with the North (That we tried in 2015) until Nigeria breaks up.

The igbos will be repaid in full for their treachery over the years and their betrayal to the southern hegemony.

YorubaHero12:


Yorubas have always stood their ground either in central government or in opposition. We have always held our heads high and 2023 will not be different.

However Igbos have been slaves that have been trampled on by virtually all tribes in Nigeria since 1959. They have always played second fiddle to any alliance they enter into without no option to rule as true sons of the nation.

Azikwe did it and was discarded like a used menstrual pad.

The dishonorable Ojukwu even campaigned openly for Shagari, a Fulani man that ought to be his sworn enemy going by the fact that the civil war just ended 13 years before. He also went live on TV and said what the Igbo want is presidency. Ojukwu clamoring for Igbo presidency as at 1983 like a true slave.

However since then, his sibilings have been trapped as slaves in Nigeria and they’ve been begging for either Referendum, presidency, regional govt, or Biafra like toddlers.

One thing you fail to understand is that Yorubas have learnt from the political miscalculation of Awolowo where he made sure he did not align with the Northerners in politics till his demise. We will make sure we never leave the alliance with the North (That we tried in 2015) until Nigeria breaks up.

The igbos will be repaid in full for their treachery over the years and their betrayal to the southern hegemony.

None of those igbos was sent to prison after bring used

Awolowo
Abiola
LMAO

mrvitalis:

None of those igbos was sent to prison after bring used

Awolowo
Abiola
LMAO

But a thousand+ igbos were killed in the North for the Political sins of a few.

Buhari sent Ekwueme to prison too remember?

Yoruba laughed at the end, Obasanjo was a result of the Abiola issue. But the Igbos have been perpetually placed in the confines of a NOBODY in politics.

Almost 60 decades of servitude to their Fulani master without a chance to lead.

YorubaHero12:


But a thousand+ igbos were killed in the North for the Political sins of few.

Buhari sent Ekwueme to prison too remember?

Yoruba laughed at the end, Obasanjo was a result of the Abiola issue. But the Igbos have been perpetually placed in the confines of a NOBODY in politics.

Almost 60 decades of servitude to their Fulani master without a chance to lead.

Igbos were killed by the betrayal of the yorubas and south south ...relax we know our enemy

2023 is not too far we shall see who knows how to play politics

mrvitalis:

Igbos were killed by the betrayal of the yorubas and south south ...relax we know our enemy

2023 is not too far we shall see who knows how to play politics

Igbos were killed for their greed and betrayal of their fellow citizens.

In the history of Nigeria politics, an Igbo man have never gotten a vote margin greater than a Yoruba man in the presidential elections.

—Awolowo trashed Azikwe twice (1979 & 1983) by vote margin.
—Obasanjo trashed Ojukwu.

The only equal of Yorubas in Nigeria is the North, and when we reach the bridge we will cross it.

Igbo should first try to beat the minorities achievements in politics before thinking of dueling with the superior Yorubas.

YorubaHero12:


Igbos were killed for their greed and betrayal of their fellow citizens.

In the history of Nigeria politics, an Igbo man have never gotten a vote margin greater than a Yoruba man in the presidential elections.

—Awolowo trashed Azikwe twice (1979 & 1983) by vote margin.
—Obasanjo trashed Ojukwu.

The only equal of Yorubas in Nigeria is the North, and when we reach the bridge we will cross it.

Igbo should first try to beat the minorities achievements in politics before thinking of dueling with the superior Yorubas.

2023 is just around the corner

mrvitalis:

The problem yorubas have is you hurt someone and you expect them to forget and move one with you as if nothing happened but you keep remembering the bad things you think they did to you ....like how u guys expect south south to forget about 2015 and vote for you in 2023 ....no body is a fool

U really expected zik to form an alliance with awolowo that has displayed open hatred for him for no just reason for years ...the man that scaled alafin of Oyo because he preferred zik leadership style

Honestly u people must thing the rest Nigerians are fools that u can manipulate

These is the same reason Igbo have chosen to work with north even tho we hate it .....

North have only worked with yorubas only when igbos reject their offer ....you Yorubas are never anyone's first choice ...no body trust you guys


So if you were zik u would from alliance with awolowo ??

Are you from the SS and why crying more than the bereaved? 2011, who did the SW vote for that they must be sacrificed for the failure of SE and 2019 elections?

Since you've decided to work with the north then stop crying.

Igbos have never been any anyone's first choice, same PDP Igbos have always slaved for since 1999 have never deemed it fit for an Igbo to be its candidate, reason for that? Nobody trusts the Igbos. 2023, Igbos are still making no headway because of hate and nobody send them.

Continue hating on others for your monumental failure

mrvitalis:

Why would he form alliance with awolowo after all he did to him ...are you normal ...

It's like expecting south south to back south west after 2015

When they say British handed over power to the north ...look at the sits the north had ...look at the rest region

Hope you have an IQ high enough to understand that

Are you from the SS? Go and read up the parliamentary system operated then, it wasn't based on land size or population but popularity of your party across different divisions.

mrvitalis:

Lol you know nothing about politics ...acn that could not do it a Northern candidate ....or with a vice president ? Tell me another story

You think south south are fools really ... U think anyone can ever trust yorubas ? Lol

You're crying over the SS when you're from the SE, are you OK?

mrvitalis:

Igbos were killed by the betrayal of the yorubas and south south ...relax we know our enemy

2023 is not too far we shall see who knows how to play politics

Kip kwayet, the Igbos know nothing about national politics, their understanding of politics is based on emotions and hate and that's the reason they've been losing back to back, tell me which region trust the Igbos to lead the country? Not even your adopted SS you've been crying over trusts the Igbos

mrvitalis:

2023 is just around the corner

Sure, Igbos would be thrashed as usual

Right.

Area4Area:
Sure, Igbos would be thrashed as usual

Finally you have embraced your yoruba origins.

Topsic70:

One can't really blame him for taking dt action because d average Yoruba is d LEAST tribal ppl in Nigeria. He sees u 4 who u r b4 he considers ur tribe. He couldn't have known dt zik (and by extension, d igbos) are like dt.

And dt can be said of present day yorubas as well. Post 2011 events have been opening d eyes of d hitherto liberal yorubas to reality tho.

Omo na serious reality check or should I say a wake up call.

boyjo:


Zik sided with the North.
Why he did it, of course is being explained away by you.
But it doesn't change the fact that Zik tipped the scale in favour of the North.
A crime you guys have continually blamed the Yorubas for all over this Forum.

Truth is bitter.

YorubaHero12:


But a thousand+ igbos were killed in the North for the Political sins of a few.

Buhari sent Ekwueme to prison too remember?

Yoruba laughed at the end, Obasanjo was a result of the Abiola issue. But the Igbos have been perpetually placed in the confines of a NOBODY in politics.

Almost 60 decades of servitude to their Fulani master without a chance to lead.

CHAI.

Yorubasarecurse:

Finally you have embraced your yoruba origins.

Cry us a river, play politics as others and move higher but play politics with hate and emotions, you'd be thrown off the bus, no time

Ojiofor:
We have Read from Lagos/Ibadan express way propaganda media,now let us read from an unbiased account from the other side.


The second account reflects the inability of Dr. Azikiwe and Chief Awolowo to reach a common ground at the critical moment so that one of them would become Prime Minister instead of Alhaji Balewa. Azikiwe had been blamed particularly by loyalists of Awolowo for preferring to align with NPC rather than with the AG. In my opinion, that is partially correct, which is probably an unfortunate outcome of the disappointment felt by NCNC leaders as a result of the carpet crossing episode of 1952. However, Chief Mbazulike Amaechi, a diehard supporter of Dr. Azikiwe, presented a different perspective on the issue about eight years ago.
According to Chief Amaechi, after the 1959 election when it became obvious that a coalition government must be formed to take over from the departing British colonialists, a delegation from the AG went to discuss the matter with NCNC leaders in Azikiwe’s Onitsha residence. It proposed that both parties should form an alliance such that Azikiwe would become Prime Minister while Awolowo would serve as the finance minister. While the discussion was on, Azikiwe went upstairs to answer a telephone call. Upon his return, Azikiwe told the AG delegation that the NCNC would consider AG’s proposal and send a delegation back to Chief Awolowo.

When the AG delegation left, Dr. Azikiwe informed the NCNC leaders present that the telephone call he went to answer was from the Sardauna of Sokoto and that the Sardauna had informed him of a delegation from Chief Awolowo which visited him offering NPC precisely what the other delegation that just left them offered their own party, the NCNC. Probably concluding that AG is a double-headed snake, Dr. Azikiwe decided to negotiate with the Sardauna.

During the negotiation, Ahmadu Bello insisted that the north should produce the Prime Minister, otherwise they were not ready for independence. In the agreement to end British colonial rule signed at Lancaster House, it was agreed that if any region said it was not ready for independence, the process will be postponed until all regions were willing to go ahead. According to Chief Amaechi, northern leaders took advantage of that agreement. Dr. Azikiwe and top leaders of the NCNC reasoned that having fought and sacrificed so much for political freedom, it was preferable to allow the north produce the first Prime Minister so that independence would be attained as soon as possible.
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/the-problem-of-retrogressive-politics-in-nigeria-4/
cc:Iampatriotic

Zik and NCNC leadership was dealing with a double headed snake and a chameleon.

chai this is why I love history

Propaganda busted! I never knew this

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Area4Area:
Cry us a river, play politics as others and move higher but play politics with hate and emotions, you'd be thrown off the bus, no time

[/s]I wish I knew the hole you are residing in Nkpor, i would have fished you out and used you for target pratice.