Mzal3ndo:

FYI, in a lab environment you have to test and make use every equipment and device you get is working properly, you just don't procure something them you just start using it. Failure to do so is direct incompetence or negligence and for the national health lab that is total unacceptable. The head didn't get fired because the numbers where spiking but rather because the lab failed to detect that some of the kits are faulty.

Everyone in the world knows some test kits are faulty. But they are being used nonetheless rather than having none. No other sane country has fired their lab head simply because the test kits are faulty. Thats foolish in the middle of a pandemic. What actually happened is that she refused to play to the tune of doctoring figures to maintain an artificial small prevalence due to her scientific ethical standards. Is she Tanzanian by birth? Her name sounds Kenyan, which could be another of the reasons behind her unceremonious dismissal. Anyway, for a doctor am shocked you could be defending such incompetence.

TayserMahri:


Yes, but that wont change your ethnicity. If your name was Nana Baidoo, for instance, then you change to Butthold Whistler, that doesnt make you European.

Exactly a name is a name, a surname is a surname

TayserMahri:


Thats true. The Africans in the process of being christianized were told they could only become proper Christians worthy of heaven by having a European first name. Obviously it was a colonial master plan to rob Africans of their heritage and roots. This is why having your ancestral name is important because that's how you know thyself. That's why I have an issue with Butthold Whistler.

Is name a heritage?

TayserMahri:


Thats true. The Africans in the process of being christianized were told they could only become proper Christians worthy of heaven by having a European first name. Obviously it was a colonial master plan to rob Africans of their heritage and roots. This is why having your ancestral name is important because that's how you know thyself. That's why I have an issue with Butthold Whistler.

Which roots were robbed?

rvp2018:
All Kenya Tz borders are showing serious COVID-19 case and now from Migori to Tanga - we want the borders close. Your almost cavalier attitude is shocking. I mean if western developed nations are fearful - you should be very paranoid.

This disease is REAL. Ask Donald Trump.

Its kinda hard to get paranoid when you have deaths from Malaria, HIV, Typhoid Fever and Dengue also not forgetting armed militias and gangs. Sometimes you just stare into death so much eventually you learn how to smile. Corona is a problem, but it ain't worse than what we have faced before.

Mzal3ndo:

In a lab environment you have to test and make use every equipment and device you get is working properly, you just don't procure something them you just start using it. Failure to do so is direct incompetence or negligence and for the national health lab that is total unacceptable. The head of the lab got fired because the lab failed to detect that some of the kits are faulty.

Whats the plan now? Did you manufacture your own perfect kits? And why did you import herbs from Madagascar to treat people who were confirmed positive using faulty kit? As your neighbors have already shown, there is a high level of prevalence in your country. They are using the same test kits at the border as the ones more inland, but the ones at the border with Tanzania are showing that you have a high concentration of the virus in your country. You could fire 1000 lab heads and the virus would still continue to exist and spread.

chrisagyei:
those in the coastal areas in Ghana then Gold Coast mostly bear European surnames from their great grandfathers who were Europeans during the colonial and slave trade era.These Europeans came alone without their wives so they got engaged with the locals and gave birth to several mixed race children and thus these children bearing European names such as van vicker,nelson,winkler,buckle,DeRooy,Johnson, Richardson,Blankson,Hammond,Woods,Arthur, etc which are very common surnames in the coastal regions of Ghana from Greater Accra to Cape Coast to Takoradi where Wode Maya comes from.His bearing of this European name implies that his great grandfather was an European. Some of these Europeans raped the slaves and took away the babies to nurture them when they gave birth.Jerry Rawlings has a Scottish dad thus his surname Rawlings. Note that the Europeans first came to Ghana in 1471 and left in 1960 after Ghana gained a republic and they are still in Ghana in their millions so they have a huge impact in our history.

Millions?

vaxx:
open the school , open the religious center, open the border and let life continue while maintaining science based solution . i.e handwatching, face mask, social distancing etc....


the virus is probably not going away soon .....

Tanzania and Sweden are way ahead on this....

Mzal3ndo:

Most of the elderly population in Tanzania are located in remote rural areas and so far most of the cases reported are in urban settings, with the current rate of spreading it will take some time before we see a strong effect of the virus to the elderly population.

How do you know the current rate of spreading without tests?

TayserMahri:


Makes sense. But hardly for the guy we're talking about. He doesnt even look to have the slightest trace of caucasian blood in his body. Such people are usually physically mulattoes.

it's a long trace some dating back to 400 years ago so the fair color might have gotten lost in between due to his mixed race blood great great grandfathers marrying various other Ghanaians thus losing the mixed race complexion buh the surname is still maintained so you can easily trwce his route to an European great great grandfather. They have all those records there buh that of the African Americans sent into slave trade was intentionally lost so that such people may find it impossible to trace their roots buh in the case of the mixed race offsprings,you can easily trace their route.We have their family home buildings still in existence today normally referred to the surname such as Guggisburg house,Blankson House,Nelson House,Hammond house,James House all over the coastal areas in Ghana.So you can easily trace Wode Maya's European root.This is an example below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aQJ7TrNMJ4

Mzal3ndo:

Yes, there is a difference between permanently closing the border and temporary closing it so as to make an assessment on how to handle it. The foreign minister addressed in in parliament yesterday, the border will be opened in a week tops.

How is that good news for your country? You realize the Zambians are talking of Tanzanian border, not any other border.

Austine1212:


Is name a heritage?

Part of it. A name is one of those heritable portions of society.

Austine1212:


Which roots were robbed?

Bro, I know where you stand on this and similar matters and I don't blame you at all.

Mzal3ndo:

Tanzania and Sweden are way ahead on this....

This sweeden?

TayserMahri:


Bro, I know where you stand on this and similar matters and I don't blame you at all.

You didn't answer me

Interesting - so the European sort of settled down like Arabs did along the East Africa coast? I never thought they disembarked from their ships - just ship loaded the slaves.

chrisagyei:
it's a long trace some dating back to 400 years ago so the fair color might have gotten lost in between due to his mixed race blood great great grandfathers marrying various other Ghanaians thus losing the mixed race complexion buh the surname is still maintained so you can easily trwce his route to an European great great grandfather. They have all those records there buh that of the African Americans sent into slave trade was intentionally lost so that such people may find it impossible to trace their roots buh in the case of the mixed race offsprings,you can easily trace their route.We have their family home buildings still in existence today normally referred to the surname such as Guggisburg house,Blankson House,Nelson House,Hammond house,James House all over the coastal areas in Ghana.So you can easily trace Wode Maya's European root.This is an example below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aQJ7TrNMJ4

rvp2018:
I agree with you. Kikuyus are bantus (at least half of them) while Maasai are nilotes - and their closest relatives are Lotuko who occupy Juba South Sudan. Lotuko and Maasai language is very close to be one language.Maasai nearest cousins are Turkanas, Iteso and Toposa and Eastern South Sudanase and they came to kenya together.

Kenya migration is pretty easy.

The aboriginal were here - never left. They are part of Khoisan and speak click language. Some bantus like Xhosa down south have adapted part of their language but generally, they were so weak, they got assimilated.

Most people apart from Khoisans - hunter & gatherers - lived along river beds - because of agriculture & few domesticated animals - pastoralism not really began.

The next wave of migration to kenya was by 2 groups - proto-Kalenjin and proto-southern Kushites (oromos+somalis). Kalenjin were northmost of other nilotes - and lived around current Khartoum - the Luos and related (dinka, nuer, etc) just below them - and Maasai and related below in Juba - while the Kushites lived not far up around the Kush. This was pre-Christianity times. They went through Ethiopia eventually to East Africa all way down to Tanzania. Kushites would later split into Oromos and Somalis.

The next wave of migration was Bantus. Coming from Cameroon/Nigeria border they quickly spread thanks to their newly discovered Iron technology (probably copied from Nigeria or Chad) as they forged tools to cultivate and hack through forests. This was a massive migration that happened very quickly - as Bantus conquered the territories previously occupied by Khoisans in Central, South and East Africa. There is very little genetic or language diversity between bantus...because of the rapid migration.

The next wave of migration in Kenya was nilotes - Maasai, Turkanas and later the Luos. The Maasai arrival was momentous. They basically took territory quickly from north of Kenya to south of Tanzania. Only getting stopped by Zulu breakaway Ngonis.

Because the Maasai were very populous (largest tribe in Kenya) and had fighting spirits never seen before - many attempted to befriend them - and so even kidnapped maasai kids.Maasai also took in nearly every tribe as wives or kidnapped kids. This was true for many communities - not only the Kikuyus.The Maasai came from the theatre of war somewhere in South Sudan together with their cousins - turkanas, Iteso, taposa and those in Ethiopia - and later Luos (Luos lived north - near current Sudan) - and all were possibly escaping forced Islamization and slave trades from Arab and Nubians....and mostly thanks to acquisition of new breed of hardy zebu cows from India.


The last people to migrate to kenya was colonizing Europeans and their lanky Asians...and of course Nubians.

Finally someone who writes factual history, point of correction there were a few nilotic and cushitic people in kenya and east Africa prior to the bantu expansion. they were easily conquered or assimilated by the bantus especially around the mountain regions. mt Kenya and kilimanjaro. Fyi kalenjin also come from the warrior nilotic tribe it's only that they adapted to the bantu way of life and became farmers like their neighbors. The maasai have a disgust towards agriculture and even called kalenjin and other warrior tribes who started farming derogatory names. the kikuyu people and to a larger extent Mt Kenya people have less bantu blood than other bantus in the country simply because of mixing with both nilotes and cushites and during colonialism they mixed with Indians fyi they brought syphilis to kikuyu land and also Europeans. typical kikuyu dna would show 40-50%percent bantu or 40-50%nilotic DNA. 10-20%Somali or cushitic DNA and 1-10% European/asian/arab DNA varying on region of course.

the poster Kikuyu usually has good points but unfortunately is a sucker for conspiracies and this erases some of his points.

Austine1212:

Millions?

yea it's sad though buh it's a little over 2 million .

Austine1212:


You didn't answer me

I dont need to.

rvp2018:
Interesting - so the European sort of settled down like Arabs did along the East Africa coast? I never thought they disembarked from their ships - just ship loaded the slaves.

Must have been a very slight minority who did so. The offspring from such unions barely changed in physical appearance compared to the Kenyan coast.

Austine1212:


Exactly a name is a name, a surname is a surname

Is this supposed to be a point?

So Kalenjin are 'very' different from other Nilotes. They actually have no cousins in South Sudan like other Nilotes. There reason Kalenjin moved to Kenya a long time ago - together with Kushites. These are not present-day Kushites - but proto-eastern Kushites - long before they split.
When Kalenjin moved to Kenya - pastoralism has not started in Sudan (Egypt) - everyone lived along the river Nile - mostly farming and keeping a few domesticated animals. The proto-kushites include sirikwa who did elaborate irrigation schemes - and were noted farmers- and some remnant tribes like Iraqwis can be found in Tanzania. I am not sure about Tutsi and Himas - seem to have come later.Kalenjin found aboriginal and live together - and most aboriginal speaks Kalenjin including those in Somalia or kenya coast. Kalenjin the language itself has about 50-50 cognates with eastern cushitic languages. These Kushites would late move up north and east - split into promos and Somalia - and Somalis would later convert to Islams - from 10th century when Arabs arrived from the coast - and Somalis would start to imagine they came from Arabia or Yemeni.

The Kenya bantus - are indeed very mixed - because they are north most of Bantus around here- and intermixed with nilotes, Kushites and aboriginal.

So yes when Bantus moved here - they found Kalenjin, Kalenjin-speaking aboriginals and Kushites. The Maasai and their cousins would arrive later - and scatter everyone. The Luos arrived in Kenya in 15th century - and Maasai probably an 8-10th century.Bantus brought iron technology - and tubers crops from West Africa - like arrowroots, yams, sweet potatoes, cassavas - and adopted millet, sorghum - that were being cultivated by agropastoral Kalenjin and others. Everyone pretty much copied honey culture from Khoisan aboriginals.

If you want to see a microcosm of kenya before arrival of bantus - you need to visit lake Eyasi in Tanzania. There you'll find cushites(Iraqwis,gorowas), kalenjin )(Datooga,Barbabaig) and aborignals(Hadzabe) - all cut off from the main stock living together - as primitives as it were.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n259yhVNljM

kevomtaani:

Finally someone who writes factual history, point of correction there were a few nilotic and cushitic people in kenya and east Africa prior to the bantu expansion. they were easily conquered or assimilated by the bantus especially around the mountain regions. mt Kenya and kilimanjaro. Fyi kalenjin also come from the warrior nilotic tribe it's only that they adapted to the bantu way of life and became farmers like their neighbors. The maasai have a disgust towards agriculture and even called kalenjin and other warrior tribes who started farming derogatory names. the kikuyu people and to a larger extent Mt Kenya people have less bantu blood than other bantus in the country simply because of mixing with both nilotes and cushites and during colonialism they mixed with Indians fyi they brought syphilis to kikuyu land and also Europeans. typical kikuyu dna would show 40-50%percent bantu or 40-50%nilotic DNA. 10-20%Somali or cushitic DNA and 1-10% European/asian/arab DNA varying on region of course.

the poster Kikuyu usually has good points but unfortunately is a sucker for conspiracies and this erases some of his points.

Austine1212:


Amercan vlogger in streets of durban

No edits no computer enhancers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhZyqkz37s4

Can anyone else sense the passive aggression?

rvp2018:
Interesting - so the European sort of settled down like Arabs did along the East Africa coast? I never thought they disembarked from their ships - just ship loaded the slaves.

the men did including missionaries, soldiers, educaionists,soldiers, government workers,professionals,mercants,business men,traders,health care workers,etc buh they hardly came with their wives due to the harsh weather conditions so most of these men married and breed with Ghanaian women to give birth to mixed race children thus most of the people in the coastal areas bear European surnames with European origins such as our former president John Evans Atta Mills,former vice president Fiifi Amissah Arthur(they corrupt Atta to Arthur),Black Star footballers Michael Essien,John Paintsil,Samuel Inkoom,Harrison Afful,Augustine Arhinful,etc Ghanaian actor James Gardiner,etcMusician Kwesi Arthur,former Ghanaian chief justice Georgina Woods,ministers such as Samuel Bartels,Betty Mould,personal John Mahama lawyer Tony Lithur,national heroes Kwegyir Aggrey,Ekim Ferguson, William Paa Grant,etc.

Austine1212:


Exactly a name is a name, a surname is a surname

A name is your identity.

gallivant:


A name is your identity.

IDENTITY NUMBER is your identity

Austine1212:



What would a name Change?

Its not like it has correlation to success, wealth, education
Unless you royal

Africans are nobility however some have clearly lost their path.

Austine1212:


IDENTITY NUMBER is your identity

I am not a prisoner.

gallivant:


I am not a prisoner.

Even if your name and surname your identity number won't change

I never said you a prisoner

But we are talking post-Berlin conference to portion Africa or pre - 1884 Bismark conference? I am interested in the period before that like early 18th century towards 15th century.

chrisagyei:
the men did including missionaries, soldiers, educaionists,soldiers, government workers,professionals,mercants,business men,traders,health care workers,etc buh they hardly came with their wives due to the harsh weather conditions so most of these men married and breed with Ghanaian women to give birth to mixed race children thus most of the people in the coastal areas bear European surnames with European origins such as our former president John Evans Atta Mills,former vice president Fiifi Amissah Arthur(they corrupt Atta to Arthur),Black Star footballers Michael Essien,John Paintsil,Samuel Inkoom,Harrison Afful,Augustine Arhinful,etc Ghanaian actor James Gardiner,etcMusician Kwesi Arthur,former Ghanaian chief justice Georgina Woods,ministers such as Samuel Bartels,Betty Mould,personal John Mahama lawyer Tony Lithur,national heroes Kwegyir Aggrey,Ekim Ferguson, William Paa Grant,etc.

chrisagyei:
yea it's sad though buh it's a little over 2 million .

No thats not true, they way less not even close to a million

Do want sources?

Austine1212:


Even if your name and surname your identity number won't change

I never said you a prisoner

I have an identity number on my national ID, but my name is unique. My name defines who I am culture wise. In prison they take away your name and identity and give you a random number. I am not a random nika because I have a name.