Xbee007:

Can you prove that it's an old pic?

Xbee007:

Can you prove that it's an old pic?

komekn:


If Indeed what you are saying is TRUE.

We say "the proof is in pudding" What % of USAF assets are A29 Tucano, let's make it easier how
many A29 are in the USAF inventory❓ Now compare that to all the other assets F16, F18, F15, F22, etc. There the answer to your question.

I presented a verbatim statement by the head of the USAF. He makes it very clear what the purpose of the A29 is. I am not arguing with you rather you have evaded and denied the facts to pursue a narrative that is simply not true.

The Embraer EMB 314 is a turboprop single engined light aircraft retro fitted with all the avionics, ISTAR and weapon systems to make it what it is the A29.

Is it the fastest most reliable single engined turboprop aircraft❓ No it is not. In that regard any turboprop aircraft can be retrofitted to carry our that role. Most definitely at a fraction of the cost we have paid.

After looking at its associated weaponry in the over priced contract. I noticed there were no ATGM's. But rather guided rockets which probably be the ones made by BAE systems that most NATO allies use.

That's a BIG PROBLEM it really takes away all the unique points of advantage this aircraft has without them.

These rockets have a range of about 2km in my understanding. That means the A29 will have to fly at much lower altitude well below 3000 ft and much closer proximity to the enemy and be in the direct range of Boko AA gun trucks. With its noisy turboprop engines.

Not a good idea IMO.

Finally, how many NATO and USA partners use this aircraft that's is the number one COIN aircraft in the world according too many here.

What is amazing l have been accused of misinformation and disinformation by many here.

bidex111:


Honestly it’s a great idea.
Putting trackers on Toyota hilux vehicles to me doesn’t make sense. If it where APC/MRAP or other armored vehicles like IFV/MBT that it worth it.
What you are saying is quite expensive, you are going to need a dedicated network system tracking all military assets. Probably in the nearest future will get there.

rka2:


I am laughing in Spanish because Yankee don't know what they are doing, abi? Waste of their taxpayers money . They don't know what they are doing when they can use high end 5th gen fighters that cost tens of thousands of dollars an hour to hunt rag heads and provide close air support to their troops

After all, the rag heads will just shoot them down

youghs:


Can you please explain the reason NA doesn't put a tracker in its vehicles so they can be able to recover or even destroy them when they are captured.

jpphilips:


You have an uncanny gift of talking offpoint, poor understanding of clearly stated facts, ridiculous retentive ability, unprecedented inability to unlearn to relearn, a special kinda being you are.
Will be great if you volunteer as a test subject for a medical research to under study which part of your brain that convinced you that you are making sense. no offence bro

BabaOwen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9430GRarxw
The meeting of the National Security Council is ongoing, at the Council Chambers, State House, Abuja. The meeting which is being presided over by @MBuhari, is summoned over the recent security challenges in Katsina, Nasarawa, Kaduna and elsewhere.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BashirAhmaad/status/1260905745337462785
https://www.freshreporters.com/2020/05/buhari-meets-service-chiefs.html

Always holding meeting, but still yet, there is hardly any change

kemicalreact:


Why Putin allowed their incursion into Syria is what I don't understand.

dragon2:
About the tucano's usefulness.

Throwback. Backwards. Illogical. Three words used recently to describe an emerging U.S. Air Force initiative to field light attack aircraft of a type not operated by U.S. forces since Vietnam. Aircraft that are compact, lethal, relatively inexpensive and easy to support in the field. Powered by a turboprop engine, looking remarkably like their forebears from the Second World War, they often inspire an emotional reaction that equates the design features negatively with older concepts, now long past.

To some of the combat aviators who have been deeply embroiled in continuous conflict since 9/11, they’re a no-brainer.

This discussion of options for new airplanes is no longer academic. This summer, the Air Force will engage in a light attack experiment at Holloman AFB, which may be followed by a combat demonstration the likes of which has not been carried out by the Air Force since Vietnam.

If you’re prepared to take advice from individuals with no aviation background at all, this should worry you deeply. But if you’re prepared to concede, maybe, that professional aviators with extensive combat experience haven’t suddenly lost their minds, then it should become immediately obvious that there might be some utility in light attack. Certainly it has historical roots – The Navy, Marines and Air Force all used light attack aircraft in Vietnam. But just using the term doesn’t adequately describe the aircraft, or the reasons to consider them. Why a light attack aircraft?

Light attack aircraft were just that – smaller attack aircraft like the A-37 Dragonfly or Navy OV-10, with significant weapons loads but not designed to stand up in the front of the apocalyptic Soviet/NATO battlefield. For the Air Force, the long path to considering a new attack aircraft started in 2008. Faced with increasing airpower demand in Iraq and Afghanistan, the existing fighters were being wrung out. For the kind of air support we were providing for U.S. ground forces, the existing F-16, F-15E and Navy / Marine F-18 were a ridiculous overmatch. Recall that by 2008, the Air Force and Naval aviation had been in continuous combat since January 16, 1991, and a decade and a half later the strain was showing. Meeting airpower demand with expensive, high end aircraft was the only option we had, and we were flying their wings off. We still are.


First, we had to define the aircraft. At Air Combat Command, a handful of aviators wrote the concept for OA-X, OA meaning observation/attack, and X meaning something we didn’t have a number for yet (not meaning experimental, as some have written). We started with historical examples – the aircraft we used to fight an insurgency in the jungles of Vietnam. The first example was the A-1 Skyraider, a hulking behemoth of an airplane with a massive, 18-cylinder radial engine designed as a carrier aircraft and transferred to the Air Force in 1964 after the Navy retired them. Alongside, the OV-10. The OV-10 Bronco, a new-build, twin-turboprop observation aircraft used as a forward air controller by the Air Force and as an attack aircraft by the Navy and Marines. What the authors envisioned with OA-X was a modern turboprop aircraft with advanced sensors and precision weapons just like a modern fast jet. But we also wanted aircraft that could be forward deployed to austere airfields, fueled from 55-gallon drums, and supplied from the back of a pickup truck – none of which a jet can easily do. And we needed it to be relatively cheap to buy and to operate. In short, we envisioned an aircraft that looked like earlier designs, with the weapons and sensors of a modern jet.

These aircraft existed. I had seen the A-29 Super Tucano in Colombia in 2007. Raytheon had a conversion of their T-6 trainer (the AT-6) that included a weapons capability. What we were looking for was off the shelf stuff, not needing a long development period. For combat operations in the Middle East, this seemed like a good match. The aircraft that existed were two-seaters with light armor, good day/night electro-optical sensors, guns, and precision munitions. Unrefeueled, they had twice the loiter time of the fast jets. They sipped fuel – the fuel they burned in an hour of flight approximated the fuel an F-15E used taxiing from parking to the runway. We were looking at traditional attack aircraft – combat aircraft that could be used for a wide array of missions from Close Air Support to interdiction to combat search & rescue. In 2009 these aircraft could have flown from a dozen US-operated airfields in Afghanistan that could not have supported fast jets.

But making the case to an Air Force that had always been able to afford very high-end aircraft took time. The Air National Guard tested the AT-6 from 2010 to 2014 and judged it “operationally suitable and operationally effective.” Ironically, it wasn’t the combat capabilities of the aircraft that made the strongest case – it was the health of the rest of the fighter / attack enterprise. A quarter century of continuous operations was wrecking the force – readiness was the worst ever measured, aircraft sustainment costs were climbing, and the Air Force had long since run out of the cockpits we needed to turn freshly-graduated aviators into seasoned fighter pilots. The F-35, as capable as it is, could only provide a limited number of cockpits, and those not enough to “absorb” the new pilots to keep the force healthy. By 2016 we were short almost a thousand experienced fighter pilots, and the shortage was getting worse. The Air Force was buying fighter aircraft at a rate so slow that it was going to take us 200 years to recapitalize even the shrunken, post-drawdown force. We needed to return to a healthy balance – and that meant buying more aircraft. As the concept moved forward into a planned flying experiment in the summer of 2017, resistance mounted.

Some objections were emotional. Turboprops were old, and suitable only for people too poor to afford jets. The objections to a turboprop were perhaps the most irrational, and the easiest to dispel with data. A modern turboprop is a computer-controlled marvel of engineering, and is the most efficient aircraft powerplant for the performance regime that we needed to operate in. It is easy to maintain and very resistant to ingested debris to be expected at forward airfields. Other objections were financial. Cost is always an issue, and under sequestration, the Air Force already has too much mission and not enough Air Force. But with the possibility of ending this self-destructive budget cap came the opportunity to buy new aircraft without taking the money from some other portion of an under-resourced service. The most pernicious objections came from industry, focused on what companies wanted to sell, rather than what the Air Force was looking for. In a flashback to the bad old days of acquisition, we heard over and over that a light jet was the solution – fuel demand, debris resistance, cost and maintenance requirements be damned. Jets were new, turboprops were old. But no jet had the characteristics we actually needed in a powerplant.

Other resistance relied on a panicked notion of the air defense threat. Suddenly, the widespread proliferation of “wish-you-were-dead” air defense weapons would end the usefulness of light attack aircraft. Except that such a proliferation isn’t happening, and if it did it would spell the end of a worldwide aviation enterprise. Really good air defenses are expensive and have to be sustained, and very few people can afford to buy the radar-guided threats, much less operate them. There really are places and scenarios where airpower is going to have a hard time operating, but those places are not ubiquitous. It’s not reasonable to expect that there will be a sudden surge of radar threats in the places where violent extremists are the most firmly entrenched – unless there are Russian or Chinese units nearby. So you can be assured that light attack aircraft are not intended for a radar threat environment. Not are they intended for an environment dominated by hostile fighters. Because that would be stupid.

That last issue deserves attention. Turboprop light attack aircraft are intended for lightly contested airspace, where the primary threats are guns and shoulder-launched, heat-seeking missiles, commonly known as MANPADS. This is the environment that has dominated the threat airspace over Iraq, Afghanistan, much of Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and almost the entire African continent. In fact, in the last 25 years, U.S. combat operations have involved 176 days spent in contested airspace – and over 9400 calendar days outside it. Counting simultaneous operations like the no-fly zones as separate events, the total count of permissive days exceeds 17,000. That’s the environment in which we have been using up our highly capable legacy fighter / attack fleet, and it’s not going away.

In the most likely environment, OA-X would have three key survivability advantages over legacy jets.

They are quiet. It may not be obvious, but most gunners in an irregular warfare environment have to hear or see an aircraft to find it. They have no early warning system to feed them information. Our experience with AT-6 and A-29 on our training ranges are that they are very hard to hear. By the time you hear them, you’re in range of their weapons.
They are cool. Heat-seeking missiles rely on signatures from exhaust or hot metal, caused by friction with the air they fly through. The exhaust of the A-29s turboprop (the same as the AT-6C) is mixed with a strong propwash, and isn’t even hot enough to boil water by the time it reaches the trailing edge of the wing. The fastest moving part of the aircraft is the prop, which has to have special equipment built in to prevent ice from forming – the exact opposite of a heating problem. Add in the ability to detect missile launches and dispense flares, and the aircraft may well be less susceptible to the heat-seeking threat than any other fighter or attack aircraft in the inventory.
They’re small. Worst case, the AT-6 has less than half the exposed area of the A-10 when looking straight up at it. Best case, looking at it nose on, it presents an even smaller target. The A-29 is only a little bit larger that the AT-6 and I can attest that it’s hard to keep sight of your own wingman at distances where the larger jets maintain a visual formation. Small size makes an aircraft much harder to hit with gunfire, particularly with the obsolescent, aimed-by-eye, ex-Soviet antiaircraft guns fielded by insurgent groups worldwide. Joint experience with more than 15 years of warfare against violent extremists shows that fixed-wing aircraft moving faster than a helicopter only rarely get hit by small-arms fire, and they are not downed.

The alarmist among us can postulate about the proliferation of MANPADS but the reality is that comparable aircraft that stand out more in infrared would then be far more vulnerable that OA-X. That kind of air defense proliferation that would render OA-X unusable is extremely unlikely for the same reason that not everybody owns a new Lexus (cost, shortage of dealerships, supply limits, poor credit, etc). Yes, there are plenty of missiles and guns, but gunners able to hit moving targets, maneuvering in three dimensions, with countermeasures – those are hard to find.

The Air Force could make excellent use of light attack aircraft. We are experimenting with them for a reason – because we already wish to confirm that their attributes (precision, firepower, low footprint, low cost of ownership, low logistical burden) are exactly what we need to provide responsive, deployable and effective airpower against violent extremists worldwide – an expectation that the Joint Force continues to have. We need more cockpits to alleviate our shortage of fighter pilots and to improve readiness. There are objections to light attack, the most telling being that the Air Force cannot afford any new aircraft without additional funding from Congress to buy them. Other objections fall by the wayside when we look at the available data, and we intend to capture more, and soon.

Col. Mike “Starbaby” Pietrucha is a serving officer who was an instructor electronic warfare officer in the F-4G Wild Weasel and the F-15E Strike Eagle, amassing 156 combat missions and taking part in 2.5 SAM kills over 10 combat deployments. As an irregular warfare operations officer, Colonel Pietrucha has two additional combat deployments in the company of US Army infantry, combat engineer, and military police units in Iraq and Afghanistan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2017/05/03/back-to-the-future-why-the-u-s-needs-a-light-turboprop-attack-aircraft/#6e45ff2a267d

Kabe2:


With regards to reequipping the military, Buhari has tried a lot, let's be honest.

I will rate him above Yara'Adua/Jonathan.

komekn:


Unless you are a political supporter you should give your reasons.

Please be a bit more substantive so we can appreciate PMB in this regard and or the opposite if we find to the contrary.

komekn:


That's a very well articulated view by the former USAF Col. from his perspective but as an intellectual document of proven fact it falls short of the mark without substantiation of the assumptions he makes on cost and low altitude flight risk. Further alternative options are not looked at particularly the impact of UAV's in Close Air Support Capability.

But its context is not relevant to the Nigerian situation as the USAF had entirely different cost parameters and air combat strategies to Nigeria, it is really an irrelevance. Nonetheless, maybe we can learn something from the Col. entirely USAF related position and deduction.

This is what i prefer an intellectual approach as opposed to wild assumption birthed from our own prejudices and or preferences.

There is considerable commissioned research the US by the Army Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) and the USAF in this area that is far more substantive than that of a singular USAF colonel. I have read quite a few 40+ page documents many of them.

In some regards it becomes the more you know the less you you understand to make a decision.

Majority is not necessarily right, but what is established beyond all doubt is that light attack turboprop air frames constitute less than 1% of all NATO attack aircraft. That in itself says something.

A key issue is cost, particularly in the context of Nigeria What is high cost and what is low cost how are we coming to that conclusion by assumption or by comparison analysis.

For instance a brand new comparable single engine turboprop aircraft of similar capacity and or even higher performance such as the Swiss PC21 which costs under $4.5 million per unit. Indeed the Spanish air force bought 24 military spec. for under $185 million or thereabouts. Quite shockingly pilots have transited from the PC-21 straight to the F18. What will it cost to retrofit additional weapon systems ISTAR Capabilities not a huge amount IMO.

This is food for thought for those who want to have a solution led approach and a red flag to angry bulls who find questioning and or even appraising NAF procurement decisions an act of high treason. The choice is yours is this best value or not.

youghs:


Can you please explain the reason NA doesn't put a tracker in its vehicles so they can be able to recover or even destroy them when they are captured.

dragon2:


The PC21 is a trainer aircraft,it's look and parameters show that is is meant primarily as a fighter trainer not attack.It is not armoured, all its weapon suite are simulated i.e. no weapon system.Its hard points are for smoke(during display) and fuel.

....The PC-21 is equipped with underwing hardpoints, which allow the carriage of external fuel tanks and smoke pods (for aerial displays) but, unlike Embraer or Beechcraft, Pilatus does not support any of the other external stores which would be required to use the aircraft in a light attack role.....
...The embedded simulation and training suite comprises tactical navigation and moving map, stores management, simulated air-to-air and air-to-ground radar and electronic countermeasures (ECM), radar target simulation through data link, air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons parameters simulation, and a no-drop bomb-scoring system (NDBS)....
....The electronic warfare (EW) suite includes simulated radar warning receiver (RWR), chaff and flares.....
https://militarysimulation.training/articles/variations-on-the-trainer-theme-pilatus-pc-21/

Simulated radar,chaff,flare and weapons.

https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-test-pilatus-pc-21-fast-learner/84147.article

The aircraft is simply made for flying not fighting.

Kabe2:


Accomodation for officers and men of the Nigerian military. It is unprecedented in the history of Nigeria.

Government to Government deals.

For Air Force

12 x MI-35M for the Air Force
12 x Super Tucano "
2 x. MI-17e "
10 x Super Mushak
3 x JF-17
3 x Aerosode UAV
3 x Tsaigumi
10 x Maurader MRAPs
15 x Proforce ICAV
2 x Bell 412
6 x A-109k

- Transfer of 7 x helicopters from the PAF & NEPA reconfigured and reactivated for military use.

Including more I might have missed.

Army

50 Proforce MRAPs
38 Ezugwu MRAPs
177 Typhoon & Streit group LAVs
35 VT-4 Tanks
ST-1 Tank Destroyers
New artilleries all part of the 150 million dollars China deal.
Innoson military vehicles

Including some I might have forgotten.

Navy

1 Damen LST
2 x maritime patrol aircraft
4 x A109 and AW-139
1 x Hydrographic ship

Over 30 new different types of navy platforms.

Over 200 x locally made gun boats

komekn:


So what has our military expenditure budget been to date since the inception of the PMB regime then compare that to the actual procurements made.

Then we can do a comparison by cost of procurement against each particular regime.

Kabe2:


Do your research provide evidence of our military expenditure budget since the inception of the PMB administration.

Right out of the bat you will notice major changes in Defence procurement between PMB and GEJ/Yar'Adua administrations.

PMB does government to government deals, a clear departure from GEJ whose administration relied mainly on contractors and middle men in more than 60% of the latter's procurements.

PMB also pushes mainly at local defence manufacturing, especially for things we can produce.

A clear example is the Nigeria was supposed to receive Varta MRAPS from Ukraine, instead the government rejected that and instead went for Proforce MRAPS.

The military has it's shortcomings but there has been a lot of improvements in many, many areas under PMB.

komekn:


You miss the point completely, the embraer aircraft in its basic form is simply a turboprop aircraft everything is a retrofit to make it the A29. It was made not as fighter at its initiation. That attribute was added much later.

The pertinent question is what other single engine turboprop aircraft of similar capabilities are available and can be retrofitted that includes up armoured . etc. Then how much will it cost. That includes the PC-21.

Once an air frame moves from civil use and is given military attributes you can essentially make it ten times more expensive, that is why military inflation for its products rises exponentially.

The South Africans have a unconventional single engine turboprop clearly with the role of close support in mind, expect it too now be quite expensive as they try to break into this market. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21305/mwari-south-african-prop-plane/

Just discovered the USAF have adopted the Pilatus PC-9 to retrofit into attack aircaft https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/pilatus_when-the-us-adopted-a-swiss-war-plane-s-twin/44219834 This particular air frame is much cheaper than the the more advanced PC-21.

My observation are to challenge us to think more strategically and look at ways to improve and increase capacity and best practice. I really do not see why NAF Engineers some with PHd cannot retrofit a single engine turboprop aircraft for our purposes at a fraction of the cost. If a Chinese Wing Loong 2 UAV costs $1 million, then why cant we procure the components from the individual manufactures again at a fraction of the cost.

The arms race is motivated by extreme profits and the procurement process creates a huge avenue for individuals to get huge payments in thier offshore accounts.

komekn:


All this is political rambling without a shred of substance.

You made the claim that by far PMB has been the best for the military against any other HOD.

So how did you come to that conclusion ❓ sentiment based biased preference or by objective measurement. ❓

You cannot throw it back to me you are effectively EVADING the question and proposition you presented.

Kabe2:


You should at the very least have the decency to quote what I actually said.

I said PMB done better for the military than GEJ/Ya'Ardua. This is what I said.

Like I said previously carry out your own research, I don't need to spoon feed you with sources.

It is right in front of your eyes.