It can't be argued.
Women are a second class citizens in Nigeria. Some women love and revel in it.
Even the elected president of your country can boldly say his wife, who is more educated than him, has no business talking on important affairs and belongs in the kitchen. (She don suffer)

But the EXACT reverse is the case in "western" societies.
Women can basically do whatever they want that their personal stamina can carry, along with the added advantage of generally getting preferential treatment over men in any courtroom.
These societies in fact still absolve women from certain responsibilities at the expense of men.

So what more equality do they still need?

Whenever I have time to seek to understand this request, all I ever hear are rote, cookie-cutter keywords like "the patriarchy" and "inequality" or "there's just a lot" without them actually honing in on what exactly they want to see happen, so that it can be determined if that thing is actually fair or if it is just as absurd as the male equivalent of wanting "every woman who passes me on the street to call me her supreme emperor".

If life is unfair for anyone in these western countries, it's for the men.
Women have the freedom to choose which life they want to live without anyone calling them "pathetic".
Men have no such option without braving the societal and spousal insults headed their way with speed.
That is when they hit him with the "A real man"-isms. Yet in these same societies, nobody says "A real woman...".

My questions regarding women seeking for yet-more "equality" in 1st world societies:

- What else do they feel is missing from their equality experience? Hard facts please, not hand-wavy, regurgitated nonsense.
- If they themselves actually know what they want?
- If they get what they want, would they like it, or would they want to give it back immediately due to its side-effects?
- Is it a request against society or a request against biology?
- Is it something you have no strong opinions on but feel you must do because you see certain feminist groups (with different agendas) doing it and so you feel you must tag along like a school of fish?

One common trait in every "movement" is that when its main aim has been met, such a movement will still strive for relevancy.
Even if it has to manufacture phantom problems to fight against, because their relevancy is how they get funded.
I sometimes wonder if the feminist movement in these western societies is just that.

Maybe they want to literally become a man.

I think you ask this question on the wrong forum. Why don't you ask it on one of their forums? You can access them.

Women can basically do whatever they want that their personal stamina can carry, along with the added advantage of generally getting preferential treatment over men in any courtroom.
These societies in fact still absolve women from certain responsibilities at the expense of men.

That's a rumor Nigerians use to fight more equality.

Most women who call themselves feminists do not understand what true feminism is.
They only champion it when it suits them, but turn a blind eye when it doesn't favor them.
Very few women who clamor for "equality" are actuality ready to give the same equality.

I like to call myself a feminist, I believe I am one.

But the truth is there can never be true equality, what we can have is equal opportunities, mutual respect and being considerate AKA loving your neighbor as yourself .

For example, most women who claim they are feminist would call their male neighbor or husband to lift heavy stuff for them. You would hear them say things like "shebi you are man". Where did their "equality" go, why should the man do the heavy lifting ?. Its very obvious than an average man is stronger physically than an average woman, this is a biological fact. There is nothing equality can do about that.

Most of them clamor for equality, but when it comes to sharing bills, a lot of them claim "your money is our money, my money is my money", "you are the man of the house, its your responsibility". So you would be using your money to flex right, while the man burns himself on both ends, without you making reasonable financial contributions to the home.

When you go for certain jobs like marketing, women are given a upper hand, you would most likely lose the job to a woman. Did men fight for equality ?
We have more female nurses(especially in Nigeria), nannies than males ...Why ?
We have more female teachers for Kindergarten, and nursery classes than males...Why ?

There are just some parts of the biological and psychological composition of males and females that can't be fully "tweaked" for equality, no matter how much we try .

I don't see women demanding for equality and asking a man to breastfeed their child, because she wants equality


Are women sidelined and treated wrongly in so many aspects of life , especially marriage ? ... BIG YES !

Why ?

Because in a way, women are one of the biggest contributors to what they call inequality and toxic masculinity .

Let's see an example:

Mrs X has two children, a boy and a girl, twins.
When she wants to cook she calls only her daughter into the kitchen.
When its time to wash, the same thing
When its time to clean the house, the girl
You say things like "you are a girl, you are going to get married one day, is this how you would behave in your husband's house ! , don't compare yourself with your brother, he is a man !"
You totally ignore the boy, he learns no home skills, he is trained to be a "man". This is deeply wired into his psychology.
The girl grows up, the boy grows up. They get married to their respective spouses and they continue the cycle with their kids, and their kids with their own kids. The cycle continues.

Am I heaping the whole blame of upbringing, on women and mothers ? NO !
Fathers have their share of blame too.
But we can't dispute another fact that mothers have greater influence on kids, because in most cases they spend more time with them.

So if you want equality, if you want to be treated right as a woman, if you want to create a world where women are treated with respect, start with your children, male and female.

Since I was a little boy, my mom constantly echoed in my ears, "when you get married, make sure you treat your wife well, make sure you help her with house chores". She taught me how to do everything. There isn't any house chore I can't do. Those words still echo in my head today "Treat your wife well " . So how and why won't I treat the woman in my life well and with "equality", I have been wired that way from an early age, its hard to deviate from what has become my norm.

What "norm" are you inculcating in your kids ?

What's the point of my epistle ? If women want true equality(which I believe is impossible, I prefer to call it equal opportunities), if they want to be treated right :

-They have to start the cycle with themselves and their immediate environment
-They have to stop being entitled without being ready to give what they are asking for. You can't be asking a guy to buy an expensive stuff for you, when you can't do the same, when all you can offer is sex and you convince yourself that you have given true value. You would be constantly seen as a tool, not an asset.
-They have to start training their kids to be good humans, not training them to be good "hard working" wives, and training the boys to be "home providers" alone. They should get equal quality training and upbringing.
- They also have to understand that true equality can't be achieved in everything, except they also change their DNA, change their physical strength and ability, remove their female hormones, remove their mood swings, remove their ability to get pregnant, change the wiring of their brains .

- They need to understand that as much as equal opportunities should be given and as much as women should be respected, there are certain areas of life where women are better and certain areas were men are better. The end goal should be team work and harnessing each others strengths while maintaining mutual respect, especially in marriage.

-They need to understand, very importantly, in marriage and family, that the man is the head of the home, and it doesn't necessarily mean that the woman should be taken for granted, or treated as a secondary individual. It just means that in every structured environment, there has to be a leader, who would steer the family(in this case) in the right direction and harness the individual potentials of the team, bringing out the best collectively and individually in everyone. Where there is no structure, there would be chaos.


And as for men, stop treating women like rags, take their opinions and feelings seriously, constantly put yourself in their shoes before you ask them to do anything.If you can't do same for them, don't ask them to do it.....And since we are talking about equality, this also goes to the women in the house

If we take the saying "Love your neighbor as thyself" seriously, we won't have all these equality conversations.

I decided to make my opinion from the family angle, because I believe strongly , that everything good or bad in the society and the world starts from a family. Fix the family units and the world would be a better place.

women and men are NOT equal, therefore women and men shouldnt be viewed equally AND thats why many dont get paid the same amount of money for doing the same job.

anyone who believes we are equal better go get their eyesight (or better yet, their mental state) checked.

reminds me of the US female soccer team who wanted to be paid equally than men, went to court to demand equal pay and lost....lol!

@2buffagain

How are women 2nd class citizens in Nigeria?

MrBrownJay1:
women and men are NOT equal, therefore women and men shouldnt be viewed equally AND thats why many dont get paid the same amount of money for doing the same job.

anyone who believes we are equal better go their eyesight (or better yet, their mental state) checked.

reminds me of the US female soccer team who wanted to be paid equally than men, went to court to demand equal pay and lost....lol!

Black and white people are not equal either but they should have equal rights.

Hathor5:
Black and white people are not equal either but they should have equal rights.

black and whites have equal rights...whether you are in Nigeria or the west, sadly there are countless of racists who would like it otherwise, and twist/abuse the law as they see fit.

MrBrownJay1:


black and whites have equal rights...whether you are in Nigeria or the west, sadly there are countless of racists who would like it otherwise, and twist/abuse the law as they see fit.

So you agree that they are equal even though they are different. Apply the same logic to men and women and you will never again write "women and men are NOT equal".

Donald3d:


For example, most women who claim they are feminist would call their male neighbor or husband to lift heavy stuff for them. You would hear them say things like "shebi you are man". Where did their "equality" go, why should the man do the heavy lifting ?. Its very obvious than an average man is stronger physically than an average woman, this is a biological fact. There is nothing equality can do about that.

Feminism has never been about biological differences. Equality does not mean that women want to have a penis or flex muscles with men.
When Black people wanted the same rights as white people, nobody claimed they all wanted to bleach themselves.

Hathor5:


Feminism has never been about biological differences. Equality does not mean that women want to have a penis or flex muscles with men.
When Black people wanted the same rights as white people, nobody claimed they all wanted to bleach themselves.

In some cases it is.

For example women clamor for equal opportunities in engineering, in some cases its almost impossible.

Imagine a woman being one of the most important engineers on a site and she suddenly gets pregnant and she vomits everyday on site , a replacement has to be gotten, that might affect the speed of the project.

This is just an example, I am not saying women should not be given opportunities in engineering.

So even with equal opportunities, they have to be done within a "reasonable context".

Black and white people, is another long argument of its own, let's not start that one here

What's your definition of equality, if I may ask ?

Hathor5:
So you agree that they are equal even though they are different. Apply the same logic to men and women and you will never again write "women and men are NOT equal".

the law is equal for both of them even though they are different, expecting to now use such logic to compare them in life is not only unintelligent, its also comical!

when we go on a date, i dont see you acting as "equal" when its time to pay the bill, do you?
if there is an armed robber, i dont see you acting as "equal" when its time to go down to see whats going on, do you?
when top models are getting paid sometimes 5times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?
when skincare specialists make 3 times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?
when p0rnstars are making 3 times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?

stop being a hypocrite!

Donald3d:


In some cases it is.

For example women clamor for equal opportunities in engineering, in some cases its almost impossible.

Imagine a woman being one of the most important engineers on a site and she suddenly gets pregnant and she vomits everyday on site , a replacement has to be gotten, that might affect the speed of the project.

This is just an example, I am not saying women should not be given opportunities in engineering.

So even with equal opportunities, they have to be done within a "reasonable context".

Black and white people, is another long argument of its own, let's not start that one here

What's your definition of equality, if I may ask ?

Well, you don't have to be an engineer and pregnant to be in need of a sick leave.

Equality means absence of discrimination, bias and sexism. It means having same opportunities and rights and also freedom.

To be honest, I don't like such threads. They escalate too quickly. I am not even actively dedicated to the cause for different reasons but I don't like to read misinformed comments.

I think you are pretty fair though.

MrBrownJay1:


the law is equal for both of them even though they are different, expecting to now use such logic to compare them in life is not only unintelligent, its also comical!

when we go on a date, i dont see you acting as "equal" when its time to pay the bill, do you?
if there is an armed robber, i dont see you acting as "equal" when its time to go down to see whats going on, do you?
when top models are getting paid sometimes 5times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?
when skincare specialists make 3 times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?
when p0rnstars are making 3 times more than men, i dont see you complaining, do you?

stop being a hypocrite!

One more time, you said that men and women are not equal and this is why you made a mockery of the equality movement. And I am telling you this: even though men and women are DIFFERENT, they are EQUAL before the law. The black/white people example was only used to highlight that biological differences are not what equality is about.

You don't know me so stop the name calling. I am not the one complaining about equal pay here and you have no idea how I behave on dates. I was just correcting the misconception that feminists do not acknowledge biological differences. Peace!

Hathor5:
One more time, you said that men and women are not equal and this is why you made a mockery of the equality movement.

we are not the same... not physically, not mentally/emotionally, not in the eyes of society, not in the eyes of religion, not in the eyes of the law etc

And I am telling you this: even though men and women are DIFFERENT, they are EQUAL before the law.

stop lying to your own self to try to make a point...the LAW is different for men to women, especially during divorce, alimony issues, rape etc

The black/white people example was only used to highlight that biological differences are not what equality is about.

using such point is corrupt... we are physically different, we are emotionally different, we look different and act differently, yet you expect us to be treated the same? come on na!

You don't know me so stop the name calling. I am not the one complaining about equal pay here and you have no idea how I behave on dates. I was just correcting the misconception that feminists do not acknowledge biological differences. Peace!

calling you a hypocrite is not an insult, i am just calling you for what you are doing...
if you dont see anything wrong when women are treated differently (to their advantage) and/or paid more than men in the above jobs i mentioned, then why do you have a problem if/when its the other way around?!

Truly, you have spoken well! I can’t find anything to add or subtract!

Donald3d:


Most women who call themselves feminists do not understand what true feminism is.
They only champion it when it suits them, but turn a blind eye when it doesn't favor them.
Very few women who clamor for "equality" are actuality ready to give the same equality.

I like to call myself a feminist, I believe I am one.

But the truth is there can never be true equality, what we can have is equal opportunities, mutual respect and being considerate AKA loving your neighbor as yourself .

For example, most women who claim they are feminist would call their male neighbor or husband to lift heavy stuff for them. You would hear them say things like "shebi you are man". Where did their "equality" go, why should the man do the heavy lifting ?. Its very obvious than an average man is stronger physically than an average woman, this is a biological fact. There is nothing equality can do about that.

Most of them clamor for equality, but when it comes to sharing bills, a lot of them claim "your money is our money, my money is my money", "you are the man of the house, its your responsibility". So you would be using your money to flex right, while the man burns himself on both ends, without you making reasonable financial contributions to the home.

When you go for certain jobs like marketing, women are given a upper hand, you would most likely lose the job to a woman. Did men fight for equality ?
We have more female nurses(especially in Nigeria), nannies than males ...Why ?
We have more female teachers for Kindergarten, and nursery classes than males...Why ?

There are just some parts of the biological and psychological composition of males and females that can't be fully "tweaked" for equality, no matter how much we try .

I don't see women demanding for equality and asking a man to breastfeed their child, because she wants equality


Are women sidelined and treated wrongly in so many aspects of life , especially marriage ? ... BIG YES !

Why ?

Because in a way, women are one of the biggest contributors to what they call inequality and toxic masculinity .

Let's see an example:

Mrs X has two children, a boy and a girl, twins.
When she wants to cook she calls only her daughter into the kitchen.
When its time to wash, the same thing
When its time to clean the house, the girl
You say things like "you are a girl, you are going to get married one day, is this how you would behave in your husband's house ! , don't compare yourself with your brother, he is a man !"
You totally ignore the boy, he learns no home skills, he is trained to be a "man". This is deeply wired into his psychology.
The girl grows up, the boy grows up. They get married to their respective spouses and they continue the cycle with their kids, and their kids with their own kids. The cycle continues.

Am I heaping the whole blame of upbringing, on women and mothers ? NO !
Fathers have their share of blame too.
But we can't dispute another fact that mothers have greater influence on kids, because in most cases they spend more time with them.

So if you want equality, if you want to be treated right as a woman, if you want to create a world where women are treated with respect, start with your children, male and female.

Since I was a little boy, my mom constantly echoed in my ears, "when you get married, make sure you treat your wife well, make sure you help her with house chores". She taught me how to do everything. There isn't any house chore I can't do. Those words still echo in my head today "Treat your wife well " . So how and why won't I treat the woman in my life well and with "equality", I have been wired that way from an early age, its hard to deviate from what has become my norm.

What "norm" are you inculcating in your kids ?

What's the point of my epistle ? If women want true equality(which I believe is impossible, I prefer to call it equal opportunities), if they want to be treated right :

-They have to start the cycle with themselves and their immediate environment
-They have to stop being entitled without being ready to give what they are asking for. You can't be asking a guy to buy an expensive stuff for you, when you can't do the same, when all you can offer is sex and you convince yourself that you have given true value. You would be constantly seen as a tool, not an asset.
-They have to start training their kids to be good humans, not training them to be good "hard working" wives, and training the boys to be "home providers" alone. They should get equal quality training and upbringing.
- They also have to understand that true equality can't be achieved in everything, except they also change their DNA, change their physical strength and ability, remove their female hormones, remove their mood swings, remove their ability to get pregnant, change the wiring of their brains .

- They need to understand that as much as equal opportunities should be given and as much as women should be respected, there are certain areas of life where women are better and certain areas were men are better. The end goal should be team work and harnessing each others strengths while maintaining mutual respect, especially in marriage.

-They need to understand, very importantly, in marriage and family, that the man is the head of the home, and it doesn't necessarily mean that the woman should be taken for granted, or treated as a secondary individual. It just means that in every structured environment, there has to be a leader, who would steer the family(in this case) in the right direction and harness the individual potentials of the team, bringing out the best collectively and individually in everyone. Where there is no structure, there would be chaos.


And as for men, stop treating women like rags, take their opinions and feelings seriously, constantly put yourself in their shoes before you ask them to do anything.If you can't do same for them, don't ask them to do it.....And since we are talking about equality, this also goes to the women in the house

If we take the saying "Love your neighbor as thyself" seriously, we won't have all these equality conversations.

I decided to make my opinion from the family angle, because I believe strongly , that everything good or bad in the society and the world starts from a family. Fix the family units and the world would be a better place.

MrBrownJay1:
women and men are NOT equal, therefore women and men shouldnt be viewed equally AND thats why many dont get paid the same amount of money for doing the same job.

anyone who believes we are equal better go their eyesight (or better yet, their mental state) checked.

reminds me of the US female soccer team who wanted to be paid equally than men, went to court to demand equal pay and lost....lol!

Now that bolded part is what is ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT!
If we do the same job, we got the same qualifications, then we gotta get paid the same! What!

What freaking justifies paying the man higher? What exactly?

MrBrownJay1:
women and men are NOT equal, therefore women and men shouldnt be viewed equally AND thats why many dont get paid the same amount of money for doing the same job.

anyone who believes we are equal better go their eyesight (or better yet, their mental state) checked.

reminds me of the US female soccer team who wanted to be paid equally than men, went to court to demand equal pay and lost....lol!

US women’s soccer games now generate more revenue than men’s—but the players still earn less

U.S. women’s soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men’s games over the past three years.

That’s according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women’s games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than men’s games. From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men’s games.


So what is so funny about it?



2buffagain
Here is part of the answer.

Nothing is even going to make me go back to this thread. I’ve already begun to see some annoying assertions.

MrBrownJay1:
women and men are NOT equal, therefore women and men shouldnt be viewed equally AND thats why many dont get paid the same amount of money for doing the same job.

anyone who believes we are equal better go their eyesight (or better yet, their mental state) checked.

reminds me of the US female soccer team who wanted to be paid equally than men, went to court to demand equal pay and lost....lol!

On what basis was the female soccer team asking for same pay?

Do they generate same revenue?

Some cases are dead on arrival.

PrimadonnaO:
Now that bolded part is what is ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT!
If we do the same job, we got the same qualifications, then we gotta get paid the same! What!

male football vs female football is like saying all shoes should be the same price, while Louboutin charges 10times more... or better yet, the difference in prices in the beauty industry (male products vs female products). we aint the same.

What freaking justifies paying the man higher? What exactly?

the sponsors for male football matches pay more money that the ones for female football matches
the TV rights are higher for male football matches than female football matches
there are more TV viewers for male football matches than female football matches
the attendance for male football match is higher than the one for female football matches
the male local teams make much more money than the female local teams
male WC generates $6billions in revenue compared to $131M for women WC
the male WC gives back 400M to national teams, how the hell do you expect the female WC to pay the national teams the same amount in prizes!

Kaamisha:
US women’s soccer games now generate more revenue than men’s—but the players still earn less
U.S. women’s soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men’s games over the past three years.

That’s according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women’s games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than men’s games. From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men’s games.
So what is so funny about it?

check my above answer...

bukatyne:
On what basis was the female soccer team asking for same pay?
Do they generate same revenue?
Some cases are dead on arrival.

check my above answer...

now for all the people who are quick to look at this issue "their" female way, let us all look at it from a male perspective.
both male and female are treated unfairly in society.... here below is a few example of when we MEN are treated unfairly in society (and women are quiet about it):

- if a man has sex with a woman, condom breaks and she gets pregnant, whether the man wants that child or not is irrelevant because A) if the woman does NOT want that child (and the man does), then there is nothing he can do, B) if the woman wants that child (and the man doesnt), then there is still nothing a man can do, and you will be forced to be a father and forced to pay child support for a child you didnt want (to begin with), simply because the woman wanted it. is that fair to men?!

- if a man and a woman divorce, and they have the same situation in life, almost ALWAYS the child custody will be given to the mother. is that fair to men?!

- when was the last time you heard of GROOM-PRICE... men are treated unfairly when they have to pay bride price but women dont have to pay men anything. is that fair to men?!

- female circumcision is talked about everywhere but, men are forced to be circumcised every freaking day yet nobody is saying any damn thing about it.
is that fair to men?!

- the justice system gives lighter sentences to women, for the exact same crimes that men do. is that fair to men?!

- when was the last time you saw a domestic violence shelter and/or shelter for abused men?! is that fair to men?!

- a not so smart but beautiful/sexy woman, who is jobless, can achieve much more in life than most hardworking highly educated men out there... because women are quick to use their femininity to advance in life, something a man CANNOT do. is that fair to men?!

we can sit here all day blaming this or that, the reality is that men and women aint equal!

Kaamisha:


US women’s soccer games now generate more revenue than men’s—but the players still earn less

U.S. women’s soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men’s games over the past three years.

That’s according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women’s games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than men’s games. From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men’s games.


So what is so funny about it?



2buffagain
Here is part of the answer.

The USWNT are actually paid higher than their male folk. They asked for an increase in relation to revenue generated by both teams.

First of all, these questions should be asked in a western forum, not a Yoruba forum like nairaland.

But know this.....

Women will always be subordinates to men. This is not according to me, but according to your holy books. Both the Bible and the quoran agree that women are second class humans.

As a woman, if you know your position in those holy books, you'll weep. This is the same reason why the Bible talked about sexual purity for women but didn't say the same for men.

When Jesus fed 5k people, it wasn't actually 5k people but 5k men. Women and children were not counted cos they were regarded as second class humans in those days. (Go and read your Bible).

When it comes to women's monthly circle, the bible even told us to avoid them during that period. Isn't that discrimination?
If not because Christians like contextualising and cherry picking the bible, what is obtainable in Islam will be obtained in Christiandorm.

As for Muslim women, they have come to accept their position until at least the day Muslims start cherry picking the quoran. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon.

I'm not a religious person, but I like that part of religion that places me above a woman. Asin e de sweet me walai.

Haven said that....

I don't think there can be anything like equality. We can only have equity. What we have in those western countries is not even equality. What we have are laws that protect the rights of women so that full equity for women can be achieved.

bukatyne:
On what basis was the female soccer team asking for same pay?
Do they generate same revenue?
Some cases are dead on arrival.

Kaamisha:
US women’s soccer games now generate more revenue than men’s—but the players still earn less
U.S. women’s soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men’s games over the past three years.
That’s according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women’s games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than men’s games. From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men’s games.
So what is so funny about it?

PrimadonnaO:

Now that bolded part is what is ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT!
If we do the same job, we got the same qualifications, then we gotta get paid the same! What!
What freaking justifies paying the man higher? What exactly?

forgot to mention, the reason the US women national team can NEVER be paid as much as men is because they can never be as good as men.

IS THAT NOT THAT SAME US WOMEN NATIONAL TEAM THAT WAS BEATEN 5-2 BY THE UNDER 15 (yrs old) FC DALLAS MALE TEAM?!?!?!

you cannot compare apples with oranges! the only way female footballers should receive the same salaries as men is if/when they will play against men (and win).

@Donald3d:

Apt as always.

The part on family, 100%

Hathor5:


Well, you don't have to be an engineer and pregnant to be in need of a sick leave.

Equality means absence of discrimination, bias and sexism. It means having same opportunities and rights and also freedom.

To be honest, I don't like such threads. They escalate too quickly. I am not even actively dedicated to the cause for different reasons but I don't like to read misinformed comments.

I think you are pretty fair though.

That's an acceptable definition of equality on the surface. But when we begin to pick and apply it on a case by case basis, we soon find out what we truly should clamour for is not equality, but equity and fairness


Are any two individual truly EQUALS? whether two male and female? Because the way most define equality, they really mean we should give people equal REWARDS. Sadly, no society can truly strive on that. Even if we do that, we invariably become unfair to another party.

Going by your definition, (we are not to consider fairness, we just give them equal rewards or opportunities irrespective of glaring circumstantial differences) lets assume in a fictitious state, the law says every citizen is entitled to collect a Mango fruit directly from the tree 15 meters high. As every child is born, the state rewards them with a 5 meter stick. Hence, they need only to grow 5 metres to Collect their birth right. You and I know not everyone of those children will get to claim thier birthrights. That's EQUALITY. But not JUSTICE, EQUITY or FAIRNESS.

I've intentionally not make any reference to gender thus far. I'm not for gender bais.

Personally, I was surprised when I discovered that the actress playing the role of Queen Elizabeth on the television series the crown was paid way less than her co-star, who played her husband. That was not right and clearly, she was the focal point of the show and her reward should have reflected that.

Now, you can figure what I think when the U.S Women football team demands equal pay with the mens team.

I can only wonder if you think they should be paid equally here too.

bukatyne:
@Donald3d:

Apt as always.

The part on family, 100%

PrimadonnaO:
Truly, you have spoken well! I can’t find anything to add or subtract!

Hathor5:


Well, you don't have to be an engineer and pregnant to be in need of a sick leave.

Equality means absence of discrimination, bias and sexism. It means having same opportunities and rights and also freedom.

To be honest, I don't like such threads. They escalate too quickly. I am not even actively dedicated to the cause for different reasons but I don't like to read misinformed comments.

I think you are pretty fair though.

OK ma'am

Kaamisha:


US women’s soccer games now generate more revenue than men’s—but the players still earn less

U.S. women’s soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men’s games over the past three years.

That’s according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women’s games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than men’s games. From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men’s games.


So what is so funny about it?



2buffagain
Here is part of the answer.

Stop spreading falsehood. Provide the link for the complete article.

Donald3d:


In some cases it is.

For example women clamor for equal opportunities in engineering, in some cases its almost impossible.

Imagine a woman being one of the most important engineers on a site and she suddenly gets pregnant and she vomits everyday on site , a replacement has to be gotten, that might affect the speed of the project.

This is just an example, I am not saying women should not be given opportunities in engineering.

So even with equal opportunities, they have to be done within a "reasonable context".

You’re a feminist then you should know the bolded doesn’t align with the core definition of feminism. There shouldn’t be any restriction or condition that would prevent equal access and opportunities.

A woman shouldn’t be denied a job because of an implicit bias (women are limited by pregnancy) 1. Not all women want children; 2. Not all pregnant women are too ‘weak’ to do their job.

OP, as long as there are men/women that believe women shouldn’t have equal access to opportunities and deny women their freedom of choice, feminism will always be needed. It’s one thing for laws to be passed, it’s another for them to be enforced. There are sexist people in positions of power and authority that are supposed to enforce these laws. Also, every law have loopholes that can make discrimination perfectly legal, these are taken advantage of by sexist people. It’s a constant battle to call out discrimination, prosecute/sue the perpetuators and continue to fight for laws to close those loopholes.