Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Blue3k(m): 4:23pm On May 20, 2020 |
LibrarianD:
Guy, Stop displaying your ignorance on tertiary institution issues. Get a dictionary and check the meaning of "strike" and "industrial dispute." From there you can make an informed argument on labour practices.
Lol simple questions you guys can't answer. This just them being insubordinate. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by jolyment: 4:26pm On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:
Indeed all these lectures are easily replaceable. Buhari is a weak leader which is why he's being pushed around even though he has the leverage. The tens of thousands of unemployed master degree holders that can easily replace them. All Buhari has to is give them an ultimatum comply or be fired and banned from civil service.
Total unemployment by degree: BA/BSc/Bed/HND - 1,492,365 Masters degrees - 91,249 Doctorate Degree - 9,832 See you, so NASU is now ASUU? Nonacademic staff are different from academic staff. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by alizma: 4:31pm On May 20, 2020 |
emror4u: A greater %age of everyone is just greedy and selfish in this country, I've taken my time to study that IPPIS brouhaha, to me, there is nothing different there with people working in corporate organisations, basically you have to pay your tax, pension, nhf and most importantly, earn from one source in the organisation (you can't have dual pay slips from the same company). This is just what they are fighting for. Earn multiple salaries, short-change the government on tax etc. They don't just want to consider the plights of the students, just their greedy selfish evil agenda alone
BS: in my final year, I had a lecturer that was supposed to take a course, I just saw that man once, only once in a whole year. He had several offices in several universities, earnings salaries there. He enjoyed, while I (the student suffered)
The same thing happened to me in my second year. One of our lecturers only showed up once our twice during the semester and we were made to write her paper against our complaints. And of course, some people had to "sort" their way to the next level through her agents 1 Like |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by jolyment: 4:33pm On May 20, 2020 |
Slawormir: Damnnnnn niggarrr Isoright Too many thieves in naija Trying to denigrate ippis. What is thier problem? Are they crying because of the huge deductions Those deductions were statutory taxes paid by all salary earners.
Ippis is here to stay with time Issues on short payment will be resolved All unions in Tertiary institutions should approach salary and wages income commission because they are responsible for the salary structures of federal government employees They should stop disturbing ippis Meet swic to formalise any agreement approved for them on salaries and allowances. You said with time it will be resolved. Are you in ippis department? Different salaries are paid to staff on the same rank and level. Can you explain? I know a staff who was paid 134k in Feb.,125k in March and 98k in April. 1 Like |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Nobody: 4:33pm On May 20, 2020 |
bluemansion:
These people are still contemplating more strike when school should be resuming? That means we are dead. We have already died and we'll be more dead if lockdown is not lifted completely and campuses reopened for us to go back to our businesses.
I'm neither on government payroll nor company's own but survive by what I make via my campus business. Today, campuses are shutdown. In other words, I have no source of livelihood again. I never had expected this thing to last this long. Please help a brother in serious need. God bless you all.
To avoid mods sledging their hammer on me, my account details on my signature please. Any thing will be highly appreciated. What would happen when you graduate? 3 Likes |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Nobody: 4:45pm On May 20, 2020 |
I have given up on the guy already. It is impossible to have a rational discussion with some fellow citizens. No amount of reasoning seems sufficient to eradicate the prejudice, envy and anger in their mind. I am increasingly believing these days that the attacks many e-Nigerians are willing to mete out on any category of labour union might be erupting from envy, that you have guys have jobs and you are still going on strike. Be it lecturers, doctors, etc, some Nigerians keep the same old song of sack-and-replace-them-all. Sack and replace who exactly? Lecturing job is one of the most specialized fields I have ever seen. In some cases, only one or few departments can boast of specific expertise in the country. And whenever you lose such individuals to other countries, that is often the end of that field in Nigeria. In fact in lecturing, you can not readily replace one professor with another. The level of ignorance and mis-education in Nigeria baffles me. It is like many of my fellow citizens don't even care a hoot to inform their own native ignorance and biases. Many keep thinking that lecturing is all about delivering lectures in classrooms and that on that basis alone you should measure the competence and replacability of our university academic staff. No. Lecturing constitutes less than half of the academic duties and responsibilities of a lecturer. This fact seems lost on most Nigerians. The larger part of the calling of a university academic staff is to engage in research to increase human knowledge...this is the primary duty. And it is in the fulfilling of this primary duty that a lecturer is meant to train the country's workforce. In most developed countries on Earth today, possession of a PhD is no longer the minimum requirement to be employed as a faculty member. You must have engaged in postdoctoral research for years, sometimes up to 10 years before you secure a lecturing job. It now beats my imagination that some Nigerians would even think such highly trained experts can be simply replaced by job-seeking individuals who are still learning how to compose a CV. Thanks my brother for your kind comments. I read the last response of that my fellow Nigerian, and it occurred to me that explanations have all along been wasted on someone that might not be interested in examining facts. zikter: Thanks for taking time to talk to that guy. We had a running conversation on the sack topic for two days. He thinks you can just wake up and erase a workforce, bring in new people and the system will be sustained. I asked him the distribution of the degrees he is talking about. He even said the president can hire from other countries and I laughed. Which lecturers will leave Ghana, South Africa etc to come and lecture in our system, at the minimum, you will pay them as expatriate, which will cost more. Talk is cheap anyway 3 Likes |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by alphaRego01(m): 4:53pm On May 20, 2020 |
So una cannot wait till after clearance |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Elinabeauty(f): 5:01pm On May 20, 2020 |
There will be no schools anymore... when he sang it wxe thought he was drunk now see what is happening |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by makanma(f): 5:05pm On May 20, 2020 |
emror4u: A greater %age of everyone is just greedy and selfish in this country, I've taken my time to study that IPPIS brouhaha, to me, there is nothing different there with people working in corporate organisations, basically you have to pay your tax, pension, nhf and most importantly, earn from one source in the organisation (you can't have dual pay slips from the same company). This is just what they are fighting for. Earn multiple salaries, short-change the government on tax etc. They don't just want to consider the plights of the students, just their greedy selfish evil agenda alone
BS: in my final year, I had a lecturer that was supposed to take a course, I just saw that man once, only once in a whole year. He had several offices in several universities, earnings salaries there. He enjoyed, while I (the student suffered)
same her......one even asked us to write appointment letter so he can bring out time from his tight schedule to teach us......final year now and I've not met most of my lecturers...tuehhh 1 Like |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Nobody: 5:14pm On May 20, 2020 |
Those guys are just selfish and greedy. Everyday we cry unemployment, while one person is holding the office of 10 people. makanma: same her......one even asked us to write appointment letter so he can bring out time from his tight schedule to teach us......final year now and I've not met most of my lecturers...tuehhh |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by makanma(f): 5:16pm On May 20, 2020 |
[s][/s] bizme: You have omitted the details of those degrees. When you speak of the university system it is highly complex system and a job applicant having a masters degree doesn't automatically fit in anywhere. Take my field for example, it is impossible for you to have a bachelor degree in Pharmacy and not already be employed. With almost no more than 14,000 pharmacists who are Nigerians, a good number of us have left the country. And without a bachelor of pharmacy degree you cannot run a pharmacy programme in any of the universities. The very fact that University jobs pay pharmacists ridiculous salaries is exactly why my colleagues would not in a million years accept to lecture in a university. For instance, even after you have added an MSc and a PhD degree to your qualifications as Faculty of Pharmacy lecturer, most of the graduates produced by you with no more than a bachelors degree will take first salaries that are infinitely higher than yours, with all your additional degrees. If you see a Pharmacist who is lecturing it is purely the love for the job and a good sense of sacrifice that compels him to turn back on the juicer packages outside and pick up lecturing job. You have to understand the system well to know that lecturers, e.g., those working at the Faculty of Pharmacy are simply irreplaceable. And this applies for all the fields. You can not bring an MBA masters degree to teach pharmacy, medical, law, engineering students and so on. You cannot use a PhD in Education to train students of geology, chemistry and so on ...
Don't always believe the propaganda by the government. The same government that said through Chris Ngige that medical personnel could leave the country for all he cared, that there were many doctors looking for employment, is now the same government that has been quickly increasing the allowances of health personnel to prevent any kind of unrest at this time. That you have MBBS wielding doctors outside doesn't mean you can replace highly trained surgeons and consultants with the job-seekers. It is the same way with you saying lecturers are replaceable.
I for one like to see what it looks like replacing highly trained and experienced lecturers up to professorial cadres with job seekers with or without postgraduate degrees. Won't that be a very memorable sight?
Once this COVID19 holiday is over, Nigerians should get ready for the total shutdown of our universities. For the first time in a long while, Buhari has succeeded in uniting all three University unions. ASUU, NASU, and SSANU.
In the end, the politicians with the private higher institutions are the ones who will benefit from all this, and Nigerians the ones to lose. All the university workers' entitlements will eventually be paid no matter what. But at the end, founders of private universities will keep smiling to the bank. This is how politicians play us and some naive Nigerians actually think this is a fight against corruption.
did I hear highly trained.....please none of the professors in the courses I've taken are highly trained.....they can impact a single knowledge..... But you see those small small master degrees boys and girls......they are the ones that made me still wanna finish school....if I'm a president for a day.....the first thing I will do is to sack all the professors..... That have always been my wish since I entered school 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Nobody: 5:36pm On May 20, 2020 |
Most of those small small master degrees boys and girls were trained by the same professors you so readily dismissed. The funny thing is that, a time will come when a new generation of students will consider the same small small masters degrees boys and girls, now professors, not good enough. As a student you are really not sufficiently competent to grade the competence of your professors. (Please take that as a general statement: I agree that we have many severe departures from this rule of thumb.) That said, the situation in Nigeria is NOT ideal to bring the best of any lecturer. Those who have recently joined the university system will still have the vision, the passion, the energy, and the patriotism to give their best to this country. But give them time, and life will start re-educating them. For instance, many of those small small master degrees boys and girls whose salaries have now been severely mutilated (by the same paymaster President you referred to) will return to work at then end of this pause with a little less zeal. Then later when then have to use their own small salaries to conduct research, to buy equipment and consumables to discharge the same duties brought on them by the country, and to publish papers that should increase the rating of their universities... when they have to do such over and over again for years, they will start re-evaluating their energy towards the job. Many of them will exit the country and will never return, and those that remain will look with a knowing smile at the younger lecturers running around with so much zeal... Yes, those same professors are highly trained. That is a fact. And that is why they are the same who decide whether or not the small small master degrees boys and girls deserve those same master degrees in the first place. And if you really want to understand the depth of training of any professor, you should attend a PhD review, a research seminar, or a conference. The undergraduate education is not you use to know the true measure of a professor, like I pointed out elsewhere. It is in research. This too is a general statement and there are exceptions. Okay, I must admit you cracked me up with your choice of words ... small small master degrees boys and girls. makanma: [s][/s] did I hear highly trained.....please none of the professors in the courses I've taken are highly trained.....they can impact a single knowledge..... But you see those small small master degrees boys and girls......they are the ones that made me still wanna finish school....if I'm a president for a day.....the first thing I will do is to sack all the professors..... That have always been my wish since I entered school |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by jmaine: 5:49pm On May 20, 2020 |
LibrarianD:
Guy, Stop displaying your ignorance on tertiary institution issues. Get a dictionary and check the meaning of "strike" and "industrial dispute." From there you can make an informed argument on labour practices.
That guy knows nothing.. When I brought this up with him, he kept on with his stale points of insubordination... He is a blunt tool... 1 Like |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by YUSTECH3(m): 5:58pm On May 20, 2020 |
Better go learn handiwork...undergraduate pple |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Harrykn: 6:11pm On May 20, 2020 |
Billion2612: In this lockdown? Lock down plus ASUU indefinite strike. I weep some times I remember I didn't write first semester exams. This is not fair ooo |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Femeto: 6:21pm On May 20, 2020 |
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Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by sinkhole: 6:34pm On May 20, 2020 |
Femeto: Government should privatize most schools this holding of government on the balls would reduce or sack them and employ from the pull of unemployed lecturers out there.Some of these lecturers lecture in 6 schools at the same time. Government should employ lecturers to do NASU works? You must be joking, right? |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by zikter(m): 6:37pm On May 20, 2020 |
bizme: I have given up on the guy already. It is impossible to have a rational discussion with some fellow citizens. No amount of reasoning seems sufficient to eradicate the prejudice, envy and anger in their mind. I am increasingly believing these days that the attacks many e-Nigerians are willing to mete out on any category of labour union might be erupting from envy, that you have guys have jobs and you are still going on strike. Be it lecturers, doctors, etc, some Nigerians keep the same old song of sack-and-replace-them-all. Sack and replace who exactly?
Lecturing job is one of the most specialized fields I have ever seen. In some cases, only one or few departments can boast of specific expertise in the country. And whenever you lose such individuals to other countries, that is often the end of that field in Nigeria. In fact in lecturing, you can not readily replace one professor with another.
The level of ignorance and mis-education in Nigeria baffles me. It is like many of my fellow citizens don't even care a hoot to inform their own native ignorance and biases. Many keep thinking that lecturing is all about delivering lectures in classrooms and that on that basis alone you should measure the competence and replacability of our university academic staff. No. Lecturing constitutes less than half of the academic duties and responsibilities of a lecturer. This fact seems lost on most Nigerians. The larger part of the calling of a university academic staff is to engage in research to increase human knowledge...this is the primary duty. And it is in the fulfilling of this primary duty that a lecturer is meant to train the country's workforce. In most developed countries on Earth today, possession of a PhD is no longer the minimum requirement to be employed as a faculty member. You must have engaged in postdoctoral research for years, sometimes up to 10 years before you secure a lecturing job. It now beats my imagination that some Nigerians would even think such highly trained experts can be simply replaced by job-seeking individuals who are still learning how to compose a CV.
Thanks my brother for your kind comments. I read the last response of that my fellow Nigerian, and it occurred to me that explanations have all along been wasted on someone that might not be interested in examining facts.
I fully understand you. That is the level of ignorance we have among our youths here. Supposed leaders of tomorrow. Given an opportunity, that is how this kind of person will crumble the whole sectors of the economy with this singular decision. Sometimes I weep for our educational sector, the way the government is neglecting it, the standard is becoming worse everyday while politicians keep fleecing away scarce resources. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Femeto: 6:47pm On May 20, 2020 |
sinkhole: Government should employ lecturers to do NASU works? You must be joking, right? What are you even saying? |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by sinkhole: 6:54pm On May 20, 2020 |
Femeto: What are you even saying? We are currently talking about NASU going on strike and you are telling us that government should sack lecturers! What concerns lecturers with NASU? |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Matthewdan(m): 7:03pm On May 20, 2020 |
mercy is for the weak Coronavirus84: NASU! NASU!! NASU!!! we the Non academic staff of Federal institutions are tired of your nonchalant attitude to our salary. Month of April 2020 salary I received on Monday is just 4k and am in Level 8 step2 |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by KrazyDave16(m): 7:04pm On May 20, 2020 |
Haa!!! I never collect logbook |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by osazsky(m): 7:41pm On May 20, 2020 |
Coronavirus84: NASU! NASU!! NASU!!! we the Non academic staff of Federal institutions are tired of your nonchalant attitude to our salary. Month of April 2020 salary I received on Monday is just 4k and am in Level 8 step2 did u take access pay day loan? Grant's sannu loans or micro finance this is not possible please don't mislead people here..I am a uni worker and ippis is d best thing that has happened to me in d recent times.there is something u are not telling us .u can't eat ur cake and still hold on to it |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by osazsky(m): 7:46pm On May 20, 2020 |
bizme: You have omitted the details of those degrees. When you speak of the university system it is highly complex system and a job applicant having a masters degree doesn't automatically fit in anywhere. Take my field for example, it is impossible for you to have a bachelor degree in Pharmacy and not already be employed. With almost no more than 14,000 pharmacists who are Nigerians, a good number of us have left the country. And without a bachelor of pharmacy degree you cannot run a pharmacy programme in any of the universities. The very fact that University jobs pay pharmacists ridiculous salaries is exactly why my colleagues would not in a million years accept to lecture in a university. For instance, even after you have added an MSc and a PhD degree to your qualifications as Faculty of Pharmacy lecturer, most of the graduates produced by you with no more than a bachelors degree will take first salaries that are infinitely higher than yours, with all your additional degrees. If you see a Pharmacist who is lecturing it is purely the love for the job and a good sense of sacrifice that compels him to turn back on the juicer packages outside and pick up lecturing job. You have to understand the system well to know that lecturers, e.g., those working at the Faculty of Pharmacy are simply irreplaceable. And this applies for all the fields. You can not bring an MBA masters degree to teach pharmacy, medical, law, engineering students and so on. You cannot use a PhD in Education to train students of geology, chemistry and so on ...
Don't always believe the propaganda by the government. The same government that said through Chris Ngige that medical personnel could leave the country for all he cared, that there were many doctors looking for employment, is now the same government that has been quickly increasing the allowances of health personnel to prevent any kind of unrest at this time. That you have MBBS wielding doctors outside doesn't mean you can replace highly trained surgeons and consultants with the job-seekers. It is the same way with you saying lecturers are replaceable.
I for one like to see what it looks like replacing highly trained and experienced lecturers up to professorial cadres with job seekers with or without postgraduate degrees. Won't that be a very memorable sight?
Once this COVID19 holiday is over, Nigerians should get ready for the total shutdown of our universities. For the first time in a long while, Buhari has succeeded in uniting all three University unions. ASUU, NASU, and SSANU.
In the end, the politicians with the private higher institutions are the ones who will benefit from all this, and Nigerians the ones to lose. All the university workers' entitlements will eventually be paid no matter what. But at the end, founders of private universities will keep smiling to the bank. This is how politicians play us and some naive Nigerians actually think this is a fight against corruption.
simple privatisation would end this long comment..if assu continues to complicate things I see a full blown privatisation in d nearest future at least it will return sanity to the system and there would be no need for this long talk.i too like whites try trump..y is bubu so slow..in taking decision privatise all of Schs and cash out mumu |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Fkj202004: 7:56pm On May 20, 2020 |
emror4u: A greater %age of everyone is just greedy and selfish in this country, I've taken my time to study that IPPIS brouhaha, to me, there is nothing different there with people working in corporate organisations, basically you have to pay your tax, pension, nhf and most importantly, earn from one source in the organisation (you can't have dual pay slips from the same company). This is just what they are fighting for. Earn multiple salaries, short-change the government on tax etc. They don't just want to consider the plights of the students, just their greedy selfish evil agenda alone
BS: in my final year, I had a lecturer that was supposed to take a course, I just saw that man once, only once in a whole year. He had several offices in several universities, earnings salaries there. He enjoyed, while I (the student suffered)
Who nor go nor know. You will surely not understand that the lecturers that teaches everyone his or her profession is grossly underpaid, the same as all university staff. The best incentive you can give to a staff is pay him or her well and as at when due. Before ippis, I know people earning more than 130k as salary, that was January. Then ippis came, their salaries was reduced to 80k plus for February, 70k plus for March and less than 30k for April without any reason. Minimum wage arrears have been paid to other MDAs since December and tertiary institutions haven't received theirs till today. There are lots and lots of issues as this. Let the government treat her workers well and see if they will not be very productive. Instead, they pocket all the money meant for workers. Tertiary institutions have been paying tax before but on basic salary but now it is been deducted on consolidated salary without any explanation. Oga if na you, Shey you go happy go work abi |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by YahwehRocks: 8:13pm On May 20, 2020 |
sleek214: Crazy country ..... NASU going on strike over IPPIS, Doctors in Lagos going on strike over police harrassment, Covid 19 patients running away from isolation centers, Covid 19 patients protesting over poor welfare in the northern part of the country, Buhari asking SGF to address the nation on extended lockdown, Wike destroying hotels in PHC over violations of lockdown, El rufai climbing trucks in Kaduna to see if people are hiding inside. The list is endless. I love this country. Your major probably was zoology. Welcome aboard. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Legendguru: 8:22pm On May 20, 2020 |
REALly |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by iswallker(m): 9:12pm On May 20, 2020 |
emror4u: A greater %age of everyone is just greedy and selfish in this country, I've taken my time to study that IPPIS brouhaha, to me, there is nothing different there with people working in corporate organisations, basically you have to pay your tax, pension, nhf and most importantly, earn from one source in the organisation (you can't have dual pay slips from the same company). This is just what they are fighting for. Earn multiple salaries, short-change the government on tax etc. They don't just want to consider the plights of the students, just their greedy selfish evil agenda alone
BS: in my final year, I had a lecturer that was supposed to take a course, I just saw that man once, only once in a whole year. He had several offices in several universities, earnings salaries there. He enjoyed, while I (the student suffered)
Nasu is not ASUU - your bitterness is overwhelming you. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Nobody: 9:41pm On May 20, 2020 |
Are you one of them?? ASUU, NASU etc are all in the same boat... Abeg shift make I see road joo iswallker:
Nasu is not ASUU - your bitterness is overwhelming you. |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by Coronavirus84: 9:55pm On May 20, 2020 |
osazsky: did u take access pay day loan? Grant's sannu loans or micro finance this is not possible please don't mislead people here..I am a uni worker and ippis is d best thing that has happened to me in d recent times.there is something u are not telling us .u can't eat ur cake and still hold on to it Then go and ask those new federal institution staff that have just enrolled in Ippis platform |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by sanchemie(m): 10:41pm On May 20, 2020 |
osazsky: did u take access pay day loan? Grant's sannu loans or micro finance this is not possible please don't mislead people here.I am a uni worker and ippis is d best thing that has happened to me in d recent times.there is something u are not telling us .u can't eat ur cake and still hold on to it What the man posted is true. IPPIS made a mess of salaries of FTI staff (you should know this if you are TRULY a university staff as you claimed). Which true staff of a federal tertiary institution would call for outright privatization of schools if not enemies of Nigerian youth? If I may ask, what exactly are misfits like you doing in a university? 1 Like |
Re: NASU Directs University Workers, Others To Begin Strike Over IPPIS by sanchemie(m): 10:57pm On May 20, 2020 |
osazsky: simple privatisation would end this long comment..if assu continues to complicate things I see a full blown privatisation in d nearest future at least it will return sanity to the system and there would be no need for this long talk.i too like whites try trump..y is bubu so slow..in taking decision privatise all of Schs and cash out mumu Privatization will solve the problem of having people like you on full-time employment in any university. You will simply become a "contract" or "casual" staff in a privatized educational institution (where your new masters will pay you peanuts and you dare not complain)..... ....I really pray that your place of work is sold to the Chinese or Lebanese....... |