Captainrambo2:
Let's call a spade a spade.... he was the genesis

When a hand shake became an embrace, it might eventually become a wrestle match.
Awo with his education and exposure already knew what Zik and his Igbo gang were up to.

The same cannot be said for Alafin, the ONLY way to stop the impending catastrophy, is to dethrone the " Gbewudani ", that calls himself an Alafin.
You see Alafin's forefathers have always defend Yorubaland, but this particular Alafin CANNOT read between the lines.
Thank God for Awolowo, Yorubaland will probably be struggling to get out of Igbo subjugation now.
I shudder to imagine, what if Zik was the premier of Western Nigeria during the Biafran war, it would have been an easy annexation of Yoruba land.
After years of slavery to white man, another 100 years of colonization, na to enter another round of servitude to Igbos?.
God bless Awolowo for being a man of foresight.

Igbochief001:

You really expected zik to partner with awolowo after all awolowo did to zik ?
SMH

Why didn't the north partner with awolowo ...no body trusted the man to keep to his word ...that's how bad he was
Saduna hated the igbos but preferred them over awolowo

Stop trying bro twist history ...zik is and would always be know as a pan Nigerian ..you can never take that away . He was loved by the north more than igbos loved him

Sadauna saw a mumu, that will be easy to deal with than Awolowo.
So what did Zik benefitted from the union, other than being a powerless ceremonial president.
Awo will never agree to such and this is a fact.

Liliantalks:
you people r quick to say nonsenze about the Igbos like u all r actually smart ,, Igbos r the smartest africians , in all areas there is an Igbo man standing out , if not that Nigeria is a nepotic country, u think being president , or any position at all would be a problem for an Igbo man ? The Igbos r up to the task , but marginalization, tribalistism, wickedness has stood in their way . The fact a Yoruba man or Hausa man has been president is no validation that u all are smarter than the Igbos , cause realistically u guys are not .

Seems The account you quoted is on ban, I will be replying on his behalf.

Tell us why in every awards :

Music.
Future awards.
Forbes ranking of Entrepreneurs.
And recently nollywood
I.T
Education (5 of the best universities in NG are in the west)
Yorubas always occupy at least 65% leaving the remaining 35% of others for share? But we don't chest beat.

Greatness is not limited to selling of spare parts, gala and Asha****.

Greatness is when you are able to excel in all aspects including politics (most important)

That's why we Yorubas don't brag, empty vessel makes the loudest noise.

Ekwutox:
This thread has strengthened my resolve on the tribalism embedded in the average yoruba man.

Wahala le ko ara yin si, those who are roasting and making suya of Igbos in the North are not tribalists, they are nationalists like Azikiwe.
The moment they can't fleece you, you become their enemy, they are never content with what they have, always scheming to steal from others..
Very soon you people will know the true meaning of tribalism from Yoruba point of view.

Captainrambo2:
university of Ibadan, unn where all zik.

Wait when you say Awolowo did this and that hope you know Awolowo at best was a regional leader. His policies wasnt national and far reaching unlike the policies of dr azikiwe...... before you go off , just reminding you

National that left Igbos in the sorry state they are today.
There is no profit in subservient politics, it's 50/50 or no deal.
Igbos discovered that the purpose of the merger has been defeated, they thought the North though mumu by natre, will be stupid enough to hand the control of the country to Azikiwe, unfortunately dream dies first.
Ever wander what led to the Jan 66 coup?, and the counter coup, the progrom and the civil war?.
Ignorant folks, na laugh Yoruba dey laugh una.
Awon oni iranu.

Alternative fact, go read more books again

What did alafin do to bode Thomas?


If nigeria wasn't a multi tribal country, would there be tribalism.

Stop all this sensationalism and disinformation

7lives:


Wahala le ko ara yin si, those who are roasting and making suya of Igbos in the North are not tribalists, they are nationalists like Azikiwe.
The moment they can't fleece you, you become their enemy, they are never content with what they have, always scheming to steal from others..
Very soon you people will know the true meaning of tribalism from Yoruba point of view.

You write as if Yorubas were not also killed in the north and even killed right in their back yard.

What tribalism do you want to exhibit that you haven't shown before? From the very beginning Yorubas have been chronic tribalists, nothing you say will ever make me believe otherwise.

SamNaijaboy:
Nonsense. NCNC had loyalty from Yorubas because it was always a Yoruba party before it spread to the East. It was formed and led by a Yoruba, Herbert Macaulay, who upon his death handed it over to Azikiwe. The Yorubas following Zik did that as a part of their loyalty to NCNC.
Zik is the most tribalitic leader of them all: he should have partnered with AG to be the PM, rather he preferred to be a ceremonial President/Governor General to the North.
He also wanted to be Premier in the West after installing another Igbo as Premier in the East instead of ensuring he went to the East as Premier and working to install a Yoruba in the West using the same party that he inhreited from them.

Same way Igbos come to Lagos to prosper yet can't stop themselves from hating the indigenes that helped them prosper in their midst, always thinking they are smarter than the people who created the environment that makes them excel. Zik should have realized he was a nobody without Herbert Macaulay and the NCNC he gave him to lead without any nepotism and not attempt to rule those who graciously let him lead the party

I love this Post.

hargbolahan01:
all of you ignorant spreading false story

he was disposed because he tell Bode George to bark to death and he did when Bode disrespected him in Kings meeting...and Bode George was one of awolowo loyalists that even him (awolowo) appointed Bode George as chairman of the Kings council meeting

so go and learn history before you started quoting lies for your fellow ignorant

and besides what do guys gain in tribal war? pls tell me

TAFAWA BALEWA ALSO CURSED THE IGBOS TILL THEIR FUTURE GENERATION.

Ekwutox:


You write as if Yorubas were not also killed in the north and even killed right in their back yard.

What tribalism do you want to exhibit that you haven't shown before? From the very beginning Yorubas have been chronic tribalists, nothing you say will ever make me believe otherwise.

Any tribe who refused to submit to Igbo domination, is either a tribalist, a religious fanatic or a mumu.
Na you get your mouth, call me anything you like in fact, call me the devil.
Just face the East and leave the west alone.
No be by force to relate with Yorubas, awon awenibaku.

Captainrambo2:
When paul unogo came out to say Awolowo started tribalism in nigeria it was not a lie.

Your forefathers took over. It is now your turn to continue abi
Wehdone

SamNaijaboy:
Zik was born in the North, so was always a pan-Northerner.
So of course, the North would want to deal with him rather than Awolowo who was obviously too smart and progressive for the North.

Also, what did Awolowo do to Zik? He only ensured a Yoruba led Yorubaland. Why is that such a big deal? Would the Igbo allow a Yoruba be premier of the East then?
Only an Igboman will be quarrelling with you that you didnt allow him cheat you on your own property

IGBOS ARE REBELLIOUS, HAVE NO REGARDS FOR AUTHORITIES, INDUSTRIOUS, RELIGIOUS AND DANGEROUS TO BE TRUSTED-by LORD LUGARD.

Juliusmalema:
Will they agree that Awolowo is tribalist.

YOUR WORDS.

Pure lie.

Awolowo was and remains a great man.

He was indeed the best president Nigeria never had.

Only sad thing is,his descendants are entirely different from him

The only beef the igbos have for Awo was helping the enemy during war.

Awo remains a great man

Captainrambo2:
nobody wanted Awolowo as partner. Nit even the alafin . They all preferred zik. He didnt even capitulate on that even in the face of dethronement. Awolowo was very divisive....

The Difference is clear. Let's say Awo was having a sound British Education and Zik an American Education. They used NIGERIA as the Arena to play their Games. And The FEUDAL CHAMPIONS scattered them.

SamNaijaboy:
Nonsense. NCNC had loyalty from Yorubas because it was always a Yoruba party before it spread to the East. It was formed and led by a Yoruba, Herbert Macaulay, who upon his death handed it over to Azikiwe. The Yorubas following Zik did that as a part of their loyalty to NCNC.
Zik is the most tribalitic leader of them all: he should have partnered with AG to be the PM, rather he preferred to be a ceremonial President/Governor General to the North.
He also wanted to be Premier in the West after installing another Igbo as Premier in the East instead of ensuring he went to the East as Premier and working to install a Yoruba in the West using the same party that he inhreited from them.

Same way Igbos come to Lagos to prosper yet can't stop themselves from hating the indigenes that helped them prosper in their midst, always thinking they are smarter than the people who created the environment that makes them excel. Zik should have realized he was a nobody without Herbert Macaulay and the NCNC he gave him to lead without any nepotism and not attempt to rule those who graciously let him lead the party

Well, you ended up confirming the topic. Yorubas were not tribalistic until Awolowo happened to them. read again what you wrote and the essay and let it all sink into your skull. Or are you saying Yorubas were only loyal to NCNC because of Herbert Marculay? if so, why were Yorubas still loyal to NCNC during Ziks tenure, and also why would NCNC allow Zik to rule if they wer tribalistic? Once again, Awolowo started it all.

Malawian:


Well, you ended up confirming the topic. Yorubas were not tribalistic until Awolowo happened to them. read again what you wrote and the essay and let it all sink into your skull. Or are you saying Yorubas were only loyal to NCNC because of Herbert Marculay? if so, why were Yorubas still loyal to NCNC during Ziks tenure, and also why would NCNC allow Zik to rule if they wer tribalistic? Once again, Awolowo started it all.

READ THE POST AGAIN TO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL WHAT THE WRITER IS SAYING.

Captainrambo2:
when creating this thread I did not make reference to ibo people neither am I iboid, but its typical when unsure people dont know what to say the grab straws, the way awolowo did by bringing tribalism just because he couldn't compete even his own people saw the clear diff.

Btw iono who started racism anywhere, but the father of tribalism in nigeria is chief obafemi Awolowo. Tnx

If you want to be an historian the least you could do is get it right. This is how you people invite trouble on yourselves with your half-baked intellectualism. The same keypad you used to start the thread, you could have used it to ask Google about tribalism in Nigeria. Was it awolowo that asked Ahmadu Bello to suppress the minorities in the north? I suggest you do a proper research on the subject before you're taken for a rabble rouser

hargbolahan01:
all of you ignorant spreading false story

he was disposed because he tell Bode George to bark to death and he did when Bode disrespected him in Kings meeting...and Bode George was one of awolowo loyalists that even him (awolowo) appointed Bode George as chairman of the Kings council meeting

so go and learn history before you started quoting lies for your fellow ignorant

and besides what do guys gain in tribal war? pls tell me

Bode Thomas

Igbochief001:

You really expected zik to partner with awolowo after all awolowo did to zik ?
SMH

Why didn't the north partner with awolowo ...no body trusted the man to keep to his word ...that's how bad he was
Saduna hated the igbos but preferred them over awolowo

Stop trying bro twist history ...zik is and would always be know as a pan Nigerian ..you can never take that away . He was loved by the north more than igbos loved him

What is the result of his partnership with Sardauna? Three years of brutal civil war which you people lost woefully and 50 years of perpetual slavery and uncertain future.

No matter how bad Awolowo was, he wouldn't have done a quarter of the damage the Fulani has done to Igbo.

How could anyone be so stupid to partner with people who see you as infidels and less human?



I AM DONE TALKING

Captainrambo2:
university of Ibadan, unn where all zik.

Wait when you say Awolowo did this and that hope you know Awolowo at best was a regional leader. His policies wasnt national and far reaching unlike the policies of dr azikiwe...... before you go off , just reminding you

Kindly tell zik's policies that were far-reaching and national

Captainrambo2:
truth is when Awolowo became leader the west became know as the wild wild west. Akintola and Awolowo locked horns, awolowo started speaking condescendingly to akenzua and ovie what was the result,? Midwest left the west. Awolowo knew just one thing tribalism, that's why in other parts of the country he isnt seen as a national icon.

He will always remain a tribal regional leader. Never will he be referred to as a nationalist. Enahoro, Azikiwe, isong, ciroma, Hassan, belewa will always stand tall above the local champ

You should understand the terms you're using. Awo was a nationalist. Albeit a Yoruba nationalist. He believed in the existence of the Yoruba nation within the complex arrangement called Nigeria. He didn't believe his tribe was the best and deserved everything which is the mindset of tribalists. What he wanted instead was an autonomous nation within a nation. He even postulated this for the minorities. Which was what was used against him to create the mid-west.

Igbochief001:

It's funny how people that refused to test the popularity in 2015 and 2019 is telling igbos when to test our popularity

We want to build bridge like you first so relax

Your people refused to test their popularity since 1966?
If not for GEJ from the South South, yoruba would have contested.
Let your people contest with Yoruba...2023 is the time..

JAMO84:
What is the result of his partnership with Sardauna? Three years of brutal civil war which you people lost woefully and 50 years of perpetual slavery and uncertain future.

No matter how bad Awolowo was, he wouldn't have done a quarter of the damage the Fulani has done to Igbo.

How could anyone be so stupid to partner with people who see you as infidels and less human?



I AM DONE TALKING

Yes yea ..we saw what awo did in the biafran war ...if awo can sack alafin for just liking zik ...mehn I would never trust such a man

7lives:


Sadauna saw a mumu, that will be easy to deal with than Awolowo.
So what did Zik benefitted from the union, other than being a powerless ceremonial president.
Awo will never agree to such and this is a fact.

Same u people talked how igbos dominated the government ...same u what did igbos get

HE really looks like tribalism

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Captainrambo2:
Zik schooled in america in the 1920s. Then the racism was mad. When he came back to africa , the racism he experienced while studying made himstarte a movement that saw to the expulsion of white men in Ghana and nigeria mainly, where these countries got independence . Zik wasnt interested in my brother this my brother that because he was very well read and exposed person. He was more of a pan african , which is why people from the south east despise him.,( yes they do,.. thier hero is ojuku) now this man Awolowo was all about my people ... Zia was all about national while Awolowo just couldn't get past regional shenanigans

zik believed in AFRICA.
don't mind these local warlords who are trying to bring zik down to the level of their tribal warchiefs.
Awolowo of the western region,Zik of Africa.
The difference is very clear

Benevento:

Seems The account you quoted is on ban, I will be replying on his behalf.

Tell us why in every awards :

Music.
Future awards.
Forbes ranking of Entrepreneurs.
And recently nollywood
I.T
Education (5 of the best universities in NG are in the west)
Yorubas always occupy at least 65% leaving the remaining 35% of others for share? But we don't chest beat.

Greatness is not limited to selling of spare parts, gala and Asha****.

Greatness is when you are able to excel in all aspects including politics (most important)

That's why we Yorubas don't brag, empty vessel makes the loudest noise.

osus right now

Agboriotejoye:

You should understand the terms you're using. Awo was a nationalist. Albeit a Yoruba nationalist. He believed in the existence of the Yoruba nation within the complex arrangement called Nigeria. He didn't believe his tribe was the best and deserved everything which is the mindset of tribalists. What he wanted instead was an autonomous nation within a nation. He even postulated this for the minorities. Which was what was used against him to create the mid-west.

Awolowo was never a nationalist. He was at best a regional leader.

You are absolutely right. Awo should never be forgotten in the South West. There is no contention of that fact

Sammy07:


Keep shut.
Stop bringing Zik when mentioning Awolowo.

Awolowo can never be forgotten for his great achievements in South west.

And it's visible till today.