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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 7:51pm On May 21, 2020 |
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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Reality11: 8:04pm On May 21, 2020 |
butterfly777: So the universe is so complex it needs a creator. God is more complex than the universe but it doesn't need a creator? So God just appeared from nowhere and started creating things? Christians and logic 3 Likes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by butterfly777(m): 7:34am On May 22, 2020 |
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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 8:03am On May 22, 2020 |
Great thread. The simple truth is life is far, far deeper than atheism paints it. Atheism has little or no answers to the big questions of life and existence, and no single religion does as well. So, it's better one reads wide and keeps an open mind. 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by sonmvayina(m): 8:24am On May 22, 2020 |
God is the universal divine consciousness... |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by butterfly777(m): 11:38am On May 22, 2020 |
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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 11:41am On May 22, 2020 |
Lols. The same scam. These Christian folks and deceit 2 Likes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:19pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY. When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way! Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right! Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man! To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand). God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending". 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:20pm On May 22, 2020 |
Reality11: Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY. When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way! Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right! Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man! To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand). God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending". |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:21pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY. When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way! Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right! Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man! To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand). God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending". |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:23pm On May 22, 2020 |
masterP042: Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY. When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way! Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right! Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man! To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand). God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending". 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 12:29pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts:You're only arguing with assumptions in your head as I never told you I'm an atheist or someone that considers science as the ultimate or infallible. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:31pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Sorry about that, I tailored my response to one person but decided to copy all of you. I'm curious though if you aren't an atheist, what's your belief? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 12:36pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts: You came here, using logic to butress your point and at the end, you failed to do justice to that same logic. If you claim that a complex being (which no one can prove exists) created the universe, then you must apply that same logic that this complex being was also created. It's one thing to believe that there's a higher intelligence. It's also another thing to know what this higher being wants... It'd be foolish to just believe that there's a God who wants to punish people for everlasting if they don't fulfill his will. How did you know? Because a 2000 year old book said so? Same way you can have faith that there's a God, is the same way one can have faith that Zeus created the universe... If you agree that there's a higher intelligence that created us, then you must also agree that that same higher intelligence was also created by another higher being. If not, there's no need continuing this conversation. Till you have proof, the belief in God remains dumb. 2 Likes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:43pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz: You didn't argue like a scientist. I gave you series of proof in my previous right up. Evolution and big bang isn't conclusive yet you believe it! You haven't bothered proving that beyond all reasonable doubt yet you are quick to insist on God must be created. I was objective in my write up. Believe whatever you want to believe bro. 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 12:44pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts:I'm just a human. I strive to do less of beliefs but more of seeking knowledge, so I have no fixed philosophy and beliefs. Knowledge requires evidence while beliefs only requires faith. I know there's God Almighty, and I feel all the higher beings worshipped in religions as gods and goddesses, including Olohun, Allah, Jehovah, Yeshua, etc. are elements or divine aspects of God Almighty that's not meant to be worshipped. As far as I'm concerned (based on the traits of these gods in their holy books), no evidence shows that any of Jehovah, Olohun, Allah, or Jesus, is God Almighty. Also, no evidence that shows the gods and goddesses of religions didn't exist on Earth in history. And there's no evidence or tangible reason to believe God Almighty doesn't exist. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 12:49pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts: please mention where I said I'm a scientist, and I believe in evolution and the big bang theory. I'm waiting. You haven't bothered proving that beyond all reasonable doubt yet you are quick to insist on God must be created.I'm not insisting that he must be created. I'm telling you that he doesn't exist. And if you want to use the "something cannot come from nothing" logic, then you must also apply that logic to your God's existence. Abeg it's too early to be delusional. 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 12:52pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Wrong... You can't expect evidence or proof for the non-existence of something if it hasn't been proven in the first place. You cannot disprove what hasn't been proven. 2 Likes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 12:54pm On May 22, 2020 |
Reality11: The thing tire me guy... |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 12:56pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz:Atheism has little answers to life's big questions, so a wise doesn't pitch their tent with such a narrow philosophy. As an atheist, how do you think the Universe came about? Do you've another answer other than the Big Bang theory or evolution? Let me know your thoughts on those questions. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 12:56pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Interesting view, first time I'm actually hearing of it. Good news is you believe in God almighty, even if you don't believe in the versions people claim today are God almighty. But then I want to point out something. In most decent religion, God is usually a MORAL GUIDE, A STANDARD FOR UPRIGHTNESS, AN UP HOLDER OF JUSTICE and what ever GOOD VIRTUE you can think of. Different religious group claim theirs is the most upright, if not the best. Charity is said begins at home. A good test to know the almighty would be to examine it's religious members to see how many of them allow the "charity" their religion teaches to begin with them. That is but a start. Who says you can't put various religions to this test and many more... I'm willing to help though with more test |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 12:58pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts:Is God the same entity as Olohun and the same as Allah, and the same as Jehovah? Maybe we can start from there? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 1:01pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay:First of all, I'm not an atheist. And also, not all atheists believe in the big bang theory. Atheism doesn't have answers to all questions, neither does any religion. Atheism is just a lack of belief of any god, due to lack of evidence from those who make such claims. Truth is, no one really knows. Not scientists, not atheists, not Christians or Muslims. And no one can ever know. Anyone who claims he knows how the universe was created, who or what created the universe, is delusional. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 1:02pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz: So what do you believe, if you are not for God then automatically you are against him-atheism is against him. But please tell me your belief? I don't want to be judgemental. My logic in explaining God's existence in case you havent noticed has nothing to do with "something cannot come from nothing" but rather "God is a higher being and as lower beings even if God explains his origin we will still not understand". It's that simple. Our limited brain capacity and knowledge been tied to the physical universe limits us. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 1:04pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz:Ok. Modified: kingxsamz, I see the Big Bang theory as an important scientific discovery, just like evolution is. But there are still many things in the universe that remain undiscovered and unknown. So, I follow the scientific progress on the limitations of the Big Bang model and other related ones like the Standard Model that seek to explain the origin of the universe. I feel science is the best way to understand life's countless mysteries and God Almighty (I see this as a distinct concept than what we've in religions). |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 1:07pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts: There's no logic in that. How do you know God is a higher being? What if what created the universe was something which doesn't possess human attributes? What if what caused the existence of the universe was long dead? How did you arrive to the conclusion that this god has some paradise in the sky that awaits you? Because the bible said so? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by kingxsamz(m): 1:12pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Thing is... At least science makes effort everyday in trying to find more answers prior to our existence, that's why the big bang remains a theory. But religion just sits back comfortably and concludes there's a God, and that God sent his son to die. And whoever refuses to believe would be put in everlasting fire. How did they arrive to such conclusion? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 1:13pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: I'll try not to be scriptural as much as possible but based on what you asked, based on those religion those Divine entities to those worshippers were not the same divine beings. But there is a divine being who constructed all things of which they could have misrepresented him. It's just like when you have adults draw a life image of an object for example an elephant. They all will draw what they feel looks like the elephant. Of cause their representation will not be 100% accurate, some even less than 5% but the truth is some may come as close to 90% or even more based on their artistry. Another angle of looking at it is comparing all their art works that may give you are broader insight into their drawing of the elephant and also help you see those who represented it well (the good artist) from those who did a poor job (the bad artist) 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 1:17pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Did someone annoy you or something because you keep mentioning things I haven't even dived into. Let's be objective as much as possible here and stick to what I say and not what I haven't said. God is a higher being than humans because we were modelled after God but in a flesh form while he is in spirit form. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 1:29pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz:Science is the way to go. For me, I don't doubt God Almighty exists. From an atheistic point of view, if an entity such as God exists or not, the best way to know is via science. And time will tell. The concept of God in religions is heavily flawed and unreasonable. It looks like an insult to one's intelligence. About hell-fire, it's one of the many concepts Christianity and Islam stole from older paganistic religions. Hell is a concept from the pagan deity, El, one of the ancient gods in history. Just like the concept of sin is from the ancient god, Sin. (Remember Mount Sinai in the Bible? Sinai was the border of ancient city of Sin and the Ai Valley; the ancient city, Sin, was named after god Sin, just like many places on earth today were named after the person or entity that first discovered/set foot in the place.) Violent gods like Allah, Jehovah, and Yeshua merely demonized other deities like them to sell their own religions to ignorant humans. People need to read and critique the book of universal history OtemAtum is compiling. That literature has many elements of truth about the origin of all these religious gods and goddesses. It's the single book I have seen that's a logical, more reasonable and consistent explanation on the God concept. I regard it as a great piece of historical book. It's better to get the PDF version than reading it via the thread as many key parts of the book have been hidden by mods. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by masterP042(m): 1:32pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts:Not all scientists claim the world originated from a big bang or evolution, it's just a theory or speculation, it's just a probable guess, it hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Scientists work with proofs and evidence. But christians claiming explicitly that God created the world, without giving us any clear proof, it's not a fact, and doesn't make it true. They're yet to prove the existence of God not to talk of how God created the universe. To me I rather believe that I don't know yet how the world came about than believing that one imaginary sky daddy created the world from nothing. I rather leave the gap open than fill it with a god or deity. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 1:37pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Strawman. Atheism never posits to answer any big questions of life and existence except the question of belief in a god or gods. |
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