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"Life is a game of perspectives. If you have more number of perspectives, you’re able to analyze, gauge, critique situations, and moments much better."

As a religious adherent, you are stripped of this ability, forcing you to think one dimensional in other to continue towing the Ignorance line because it serves the religion better.

People will believe that Mary got pregnant in the bible without sèxual intercourse because Goddidit spiritually. But, will the same people accept the same pregnancy if it was their wife/daughter that told them in this generation that God made them pregnant when asked?
Religious beliefs turn you from rational to silly within seconds in same exact situation.

Here is another variation:
We all saw the news of snake swallowing money in one of the Federal Government departments. However, how many of us believed it? Zero!
Why, because we all know it's not possible for snake to swallow million's of naira, it defies logic.
However, same people that believes the above scenario is impossible will instantly believe same thing if it is recorded in the bible.
When Jonah was swallowed by the alleged fish, the bible recorded he stayed there for 3days, enjoying himself in the belly of a fish inside the ocean for 3 days...and you know the funny thing, the same people who don't believe in the money swallowing snake believe this story with their full heart.

When you try to confront them about this disparity, they will think you are berating them, and making fun of their IQ. But, how does a mentally stable person believe that a man will live 3 day's in the belly of a fish big enough to swallow a man?
This is literally the stuff insane delusion is made of. This makes my heart ache.

Religion has turned my people to môron's and fôolish, because that's it's end game. But the difficulty is in helping this people realise just how dumb they're becoming each day.
Each day on this forum, I keep seeing more dumb posts inspired by religious beliefs and i weep.
How can our nation progress when people are more obsessed with their imaginary god's than with actually making the effort it takes to build a nation?

It's a pity, a very big pity...But, we must do our duty. We cannot allow imaginary god's and their followers, who are the majority to continue to have their way, lest our country plunges into the abyss of no return.

Freedom from religion is what we preach because religion promotes zombiesm, lack of reasoning.

Do you have a few minutes to spare?
~ by Nicole Douglas
This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:
*John*: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."
*Mary*: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."
*Me*: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ass?"
*John*: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the shit out of you."
*Me*: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"
*John*: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ass."
*Me*: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."
*Mary*: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"
*Me*: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."
*John*: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."
*Me*: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"
*Mary*: "Oh yes, all the time..."
*Me*: "And has He given you a million dollars?"
*John*: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."
*Me*: "So why don't you just leave town now?"
*Mary*: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the shit out of you."
*Me*: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"
*John*: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."
*Me*: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"
*John*: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."
*Me*: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"
*Mary*: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."
*Me*: "What's that got to do with Hank?"
*John*: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"
*Me*: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."
*John*: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass He'll kick the shit out of you."
*Me*: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."
*Mary*: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."
*Me*: "Then how do you kiss His ass?"
*John*: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."
*Me*: "Who's Karl?"
*Mary*: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."
*Me*: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His ass, and that Hank would reward you?"
*John*: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."
..... *From the Desk of Karl*.....
_*1. Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.*_
_*2. Use alcohol in moderation.*_
_*3. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.*_
_*4. Eat right.*_
_*5. Hank dictated this list Himself.*_
_*6. The moon is made of green cheese.*_
_*7. Everything Hank says is right.*_
_*8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.*_
_*9. Don't use alcohol.*_
_*10. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.*_
_*11. Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the shit out of you.*_
*Me*: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."
*Mary*: "Hank didn't have any paper."
*Me*: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."
*John*: "Of course, Hank dictated it."
*Me*: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"
*Mary*: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."
*Me*: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"
*Mary*: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."
*Me*: "How do you figure that?"
*Mary*: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"
*Me*: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."
*John*: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."
*Me*: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."
*John*: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."
*Me*: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."
*Mary*: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."
*Me*: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."
*John*: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"
*Me*: "We do?"
*Mary*: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."
*Me*: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"
*John*: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."
*Me*: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"
*Mary*: She blushes.
*John*: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."
*Me*: "What if I don't have a bun?"
*John*: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."
*Me*: "No relish? No Mustard?"
*Mary*: (She looks positively stricken.)
*John*: (He's shouting.) "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"
*Me*: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"
*Mary*: (Sticks her fingers in her ears.) "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."
*John*: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."
*Me*: "It's good! I eat it all the time."
*Mary*: (She faints.)
*John*: (He catches Mary.) "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."
With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car and sped off.
~ by Nicole Douglas

IamMichael:
"Life is a game of perspectives.

Interesting thread.

Just like a number of people here including you, I also got freed from religion a few years ago via Nairaland, and my journey out of religion also started around 6 years ago when I was rounding off with my BSc program.

Today, and for the past 2 years, I worship and pray to no god. However, during my research into the history of various religions, I read a lot of books in religion, science, philosophy, which has allowed me to learn of past civilizations and different extinct human or human-like species.

Based on the various literature I read and critiqued, homo sapiens are just one among many species of humans that this planet has served as a home for.

The entities people worship as gods and goddesses were early beings that had once lived on this planet long, long ago.

A common mistake atheists make on seeing the sham religions are is to conclude those beings are simply a product of fiction or imagination of ignorant folks.

But like the religious people they criticize, I think they (atheists) are also close-minded concerning this aspect.

Atheists commonly assume religious people just woke up one day and started inventing names like Olohun, Allah, Jehovah, El, Ishtar, Mithra, etc.

But people that feel this way know little about history.

Even looking at your own name and its etimology, the ancient god El can be clearly seen in it. Just other names like ELohim, EL-Shaddai, IsraEL, RaphaEL, UriEL, and many others.

Personally, I have no doubt that those entities once existed on this plane based on different pieces of evidence. But that doesn't mean one should waste time worshipping any entity as god.

Life is a journey, and one should stay open-minded about things and regularly expose one's knowledge and beliefs to criticism to grow.

IMO, while being an atheist is far, far better than wallowing in slavery of religions, atheism itself has little questions to many key aspects about life.

IamMichael:
Good for you... leave your mom to be eating grass okay... It's a wonderful experience and good sight to behold.

My mom remains my mom no matter what as long as she doesn't do anything against the anyone or commit any crime!

So if i had to correct her in anything it must be done with mild temper and deep respect!

I'll respect her for life no matter what anyone thinks about her!

gensteejay:
Interesting thread.

Just like a number of people here including you, I also got freed from religion a few years ago via Nairaland, and my journey out of religion also started around 6 years ago when I was rounding off with my BSc program.

Today, and for the past 2 years, I worship and pray to no god. However, during my research into the history of various religions, I read a lot of books in religion, science, philosophy, which has allowed me to learn of past civilizations and different extinct human or human-like species.

Based on the various literature I read and critiqued, homo sapiens are just one among many species of humans that this planet has served as a home for.

The entities people worship as gods and goddesses were beings that had once lived on this planet long, long ago.

A common mistake atheists make on seeing the sham religions are is to conclude those beings are simply a product of fiction or imagination of ignorant folks.

But like the religious people they criticize, I think they (atheists) are also close-minded concerning this aspect.

Atheists commonly assume religious people just woke up one day and started inventing names like Olohun, Allah, Jehovah, El, Ishtar, Mithra, etc.

But people that feel this way know little about history.

Even looking at your own name and its etimology, the ancient god El can be clearly seen in it. Just other names like ELohim, EL-Shaddai, IsraEL, RaphaEL, UriEL, and many others.

Personally, I have no doubt that those entities once existed on this plane based on different pieces of evidence. But that doesn't mean one should waste time worshipping any entity as god.

Life is a journey, and one should stay open-minded about things and regularly expose one's knowledge and beliefs to criticism to grow.

IMO, while being an atheist is far, far better than wallowing in slavery of religions, atheism itself has little questions to many key aspects about life.

Thanks bro...

Well, i think most people misconstrue what atheism actually means. Atheism is just a concept that denotes a state of mind, and that state of mind is unbelief is something that no evidence supports as being real... it's a no brainer.

However, as you have said, i think if you dig deeper, you will get to find out some of the things that led to the creation of the various myths which people subscribe to today in form of religion.
Most were out of boredom, others were because some people wanted to feel more special, while others wanted to lord themselves over others especially if politics of the day didn't favour them.

200yrs from today, some people might turn Nnamdi Kanu to a religious figure and propose a kind of religion after him citing that he is a prophet and that God sent him to liberate the Igbo people. Some of his deeds with the current government may be reduced to writing and then use heavy propaganda to grow the following.
Those people 200yrs from today won't know otherwise, will not understand otherwise because they never got to know who the dude was during his lifetime... His followers may propagate whatever suits their agenda, and a religion is born...

That's how it is... none of those figures you stated existed in the way they're being attributed for sure. You just have to pick up Catholic books on Saints and how they lived their lives, including what made them saint's; you will at least realise this.

Maximus69:
My mom remains my mom no matter what as long as she doesn't do anything against the anyone or commit any crime!

So if i had to correct her in anything it must be done with mild temper and deep respect!

I'll respect her for life no matter what anyone thinks about her!

Please continue to allow your mom to eat grass...it's okay.

IamMichael:
Please continue to allow your mom to eat grass...it's okay.

Just Cool!

IamMichael:
Thanks bro...


That's how it is... none of those figures you stated existed in the way they're being attributed for sure. You just have to pick up Catholic books on Saints and how they lived their lives, including what made them saint's; you will at least realise this.

You're perfectly right. Those entities have been made to appear fictitious by dubious religious beliefs that exaggerate their personalities and abilities. They make them appear bigger and powerful than they really were.

gensteejay:
You're perfectly right. Those entities have been made to appear fictitious by dubious religious beliefs that exaggerate their personalities and abilities. They make them appear bigger and powerful than they really were.

I'm telling you o... And those exaggerations are the selling point of the religion.

Have you wondered how God came to be ? If god can exist freely then why are you so adamant about believing that man existed freely too.v?.

southniyikaye:
your main target was Christianity but you just have to beat around the bush to prove a point that doesn't exist.
How do you come into existence?
You see, if I plant maize, and someone saw me when I cultivated, planted, watered, put fertilizer, prevent it from insects and then harvested and sell.
This person was of the opinion that I lied and might wanna manipulate when I told him I can harvest an acre of corn from just maybe two bulb or whatever it is called then he start documenting and taking pictures through those time and even called people to witness it so he can have witnesses, that was how Christianity was given birth to.
From onset, there were witnesses and documentations to corraborate the story.
I have never seen anyone who came out and plainly and convincingly say, Christianity was a lie, Jesus christ didn't come, miracles were never performed, there is no heaven.
The fact that you didn't see God or you don't know how he came to be doesn't mean there is no God.
Firstly, I want you to explain to me
How you came to be
How you were able to grow, you should be stunted.
The air you breath
How you were even able to move, grow, eat without refueling the air you breath in.
See, any reasonable adult should know when someone is telling the truth and if Infact that's actually the truth.
While growing I was told God exist, Jesus exist, and they gave me the Bible to corraborate such stories but I took time to know if those were true, I confirmed it and it set me free.
To even tell you to repent though to you might be a waste of time but pls try to repent.
I will like you to give me some real questions to prove to you God exist

From your second postulation; how is possible fit s physical man to create non figure items like computer programs?

shadeyinka:
Sorry for the ban. Nairalands spam bots misbehave at times.

Your quote below:


In summary is saying (if I understand you well) : that science does NOT yet have an answer to the question of the origin of the Universe BUT work is still ongoing to unravel the mystery behind the universe.

Unfortunately, science isn't atheism!
It may be reasonable as a scientist to take such a position BUT it is illogical for an atheist to take such position.

WHY?!!
Atheism comes from a gnostic position (the universe doesn't have an extraterrestrial source)
Theism also comes from a gnostic position (the universe has an extraterrestrial source)
Science has NO position except that arrived at from physical evidence (which for now doesn't exist)

Now except you disagree, let me answer the question for you.

1. Is there a logical or scientific defence for the universe coming out of existence from nothing?
NO!
It doesn't exist

2. Do you expect a physical evidence from non-physical Extraterrestrial beings who theists say created the universe?
No!
Scientifically or logically impossible!

3. If your instrument cannot detect a signal, it that a positive and conclusive indication that the subject of measurement doesn't exist?
No!
There must be a suitable instrument for any particular subject. It's impossible to use for instance an instrument for measuring mass to measure light wavelengths

Do you have an objection to these three questions and answers?

But the answers betray the basic flaws and claims of atheism

leofab:
From your second postulation; how is possible fit s physical man to create non figure items like computer programs?

I do not think I understand your question.

My second question is reposted here again.

2. Do you expect a physical evidence from non-physical Extraterrestrial beings who theists say created the universe?
No!
Scientifically or logically impossible!



Maybe you can rephrase your question!

Good morning my people.

This is top shït... Blows the mind away!!!

IamMichael:
This is top shït... Blows the mind away!!!

The religious Apologists will soon come for your head

odinson1:
The religious Apologists will soon come for your head

Maybe i should open a thread with it.

IamMichael:
This is top shït... Blows the mind away!!!

If you define God as the sum total of all that's in existence, and such an entity isn't bound by time and space, that makes your argument logically absurd since the hypothetical stone is already a part of God.

It all boils down to your definition of the entity called God.

gensteejay:
If you define God as the sum total of all that's in existence, and such an entity isn't bound by time and space, that makes your argument logically absurd since the hypothetical stone is already a part of God.

It all boils down to your definition of the entity called God.

You don't understand.

Read the paradox again, then read your reply to it.

IamMichael:
You don't understand.

Read the paradox again, then read your reply to it.

It all boils to how you define god/God. I understand the paradox perfectly.

gensteejay:
It all boils to how you define god/God. I understand the paradox perfectly.

No you dont
the paradox insinuates that nothing can ever be truly omnipotent,no matter how you want to define the being

odinson1:
No you dont
the paradox insinuates that nothing can ever be truly omnipotent,no matter how you want to define the being

It's all boils to how the concept of God is defined in the paradox. So, the person that designed the paradox is working based on his definition of God, which looks like one of the gods in Abrahamic religions.

Is omnipotence just one of the traits of God?

If an entity is all-powerful (omnipotence), it is also reasonable the entity will be all-knowing (omniscient).

You sure know the link between knowledge and power.

If God is seen as the totality of existence, omnipresent (not bound by time and space), omnipotent and omniscient, then that paradox becomes logically absurd.

The paradox creator merely narrowed down his own criterion about God to just omnipotence to suit his narrative.

gensteejay:
It all boils to how you define god/God. I understand the paradox perfectly.

No, I honestly don't think you do understand it with the replies you are giving.

odinson1:
No you dont
the paradox insinuates that nothing can ever be truly omnipotent,no matter how you want to define the being

Perfecto!

gensteejay:
It's all boils to how the concept of God is defined in the paradox. So, the person that designed the paradox is working based on his definition of God, which looks like one of the gods in Abrahamic religions.

Is omnipotence just one of the traits of God?

If an entity is all-powerful (omnipotence), it is also reasonable the entity will be all-knowing (omniscient).


You sure know the link between knowledge and power.

If God is seen as the totality of existence, omnipresent (not bound by time and space), omnipotent and omniscient, then that paradox becomes logically absurd.

The paradox creator merely narrowed down his own criterion about God to just omnipotence to suit his narrative.

You could easily interchange Omnipotent with Omniscient or Omnipresent in the same paradox and still arrive at the same exact paradox conclusion bro.

IamMichael:
You could easily interchange Omnipotent with Omniscient or Omnipresent in the same paradox and still arrive at the same exact paradox conclusion bro.

Obviously, you can do so to suit the narrative of the paradox creator since it's all about making the paradox look paradoxical as far its proponents are concerned.

gensteejay:
Obviously, you can do so to suit the narrative of the paradox creator since it's all about making the paradox look paradoxical as far its proponents are concerned.

So what exactly is your point then?

IamMichael:
So what exactly is your point then?

Try to widen your scope about the concept of God beyond the human-like entities worshipped in Abrahamic religions and other major world religions.

I may create a thread later about my own view about the concept of God and invite you and other atheists to critique it.

gensteejay:
Try to widen your scope about the concept of God beyond the human-like entities worshipped in Abrahamic religions and other major world religions.

I may create a thread later about my own view about the concept of God and invite you and other atheists to critique it.

I'm a freethinker bro... I don't have a restricted view or any concept of God.

No problem @bolded.

gensteejay:
It's all boils to how the concept of God is defined in the paradox. So, the person that designed the paradox is working based on his definition of God, which looks like one of the gods in Abrahamic religions.

Is omnipotence just one of the traits of God?

If an entity is all-powerful (omnipotence), it is also reasonable the entity will be all-knowing (omniscient).

You sure know the link between knowledge and power.

If God is seen as the totality of existence, omnipresent (not bound by time and space), omnipotent and omniscient, then that paradox becomes logically absurd.

The paradox creator merely narrowed down his own criterion about God to just omnipotence to suit his narrative.

you still dont get it
it's a paradox, therefore,its logically impossible to break
Everything single thing is bound by the laws of logic(God included)
the stone parodox shows that God cannot be omnipotent because he cannot create a stone that he wont be able to carry....he he does manage to create the stone,then he is still not omnipotent because he cant carry the stone

odinson1:
you still dont get it
it's a paradox, therefore,its logically impossible to break
Everything single thing is bound by the laws of logic(God included)
the stone parodox shows that God cannot be omnipotent because he cannot create a stone that he wont be able to carry....he he does manage to create the stone,then he is still not omnipotent because he cant carry the stone

I understand the paradox perfectly. The paradox is based on the premise of an omnipotent god. Based on that premise (omnipotence alone), it's valid.

Merely a parochial notion.

gensteejay:
I understand the paradox perfectly. The paradox is based on the premise of an omnipotent god. Based on that premise (omnipotence alone), it's valid.

Merely a parochial notion.

so you admit that The Abrahamic God is not Omnipotent?

odinson1:
so you admit that The Abrahamic God is not Omnipotent?

I'm not an Abrahamist or a religionist.