Dtruthspeaker:


Tell them brother but those JW people and maximus69 will never agree to this clear statement.

They would like to think that God will give them what they want in clear defiance of His Word, which He has said Must Be Honoured and Fully Filled!

Well, it is their own Natural Right to choose to Live or to Choose to Die- By Living Forever in Hot Torment

First of all, no religion in heaven. Jesus Christ is the revelation of God who forever sits on His throne and He's the fulfilment of the scripture, which by Him all men should be saved. Anything outside it is a religion of men under the guise of light. JW think they can manipulate God's standard. The are religious group who rely so much on self and based their teachings on carnality. Faith does not originate from man but Jesus Christ, therefore we can't offer our righteousness unto Him as an automatic ticket to Him. Disbelieving Him and His works is the greatest sin, & many believers will goto hell for it.

Maximus69:


You have not explained how the holy God who sentenced Adam the first sinner to death as in return to dust {Genesis 3:19} now resolved to keeping Adam's descendants in a place of torment for all eternity Sir!

I answered above:

God has since changed the plan. For Adam and ALL WORLD and the God's Plan, died with Adam and the World, Then.

A New World and New Plan was made for Man and Noah is now our Adam. All the former things you are standing on were washed away with the old world And Fresh Instructions were thereafter, Given by God and MODIFIED, CHANGED, AMENDED MANY THINGS. Which till today Remain. Genesis 9: 1-7.

So Genesis 3: 19 is Gone Forever, Now it is LAKE OF FIRE!

Daejoyoung:

If Lazarus is a true story, then answer these simple questions for me:
1) With what tongue was Lazarus expecting to taste water with in hell fire? One would think that he only has his spirit in hell and he is without a body, do spirits have tongues?
2) If you are in hell fire, burning literally in great flames and you happen to see father Abraham, what would be your first request? would it be for a tip of water in your tongue?
3) What is the purpose of this so called true life story? was jesus telling them to become like poor Lazarus in order to enter Abraham's bosom?
4) ls Abraham's bosom heaven? lf yes, would you as a Nigerian Christian go to Abraham's bosom?
5) You say lazarus was saved by grace of christ, how do you know this? and where was that indicated in the story?

First of all, hell fire is not my portion.

With your questions, you share same belief with big bang theorists(atheists) under the guise of light. Human religion is an enmity with God

Daejoyoung

Lazarus wasn't the one found in hell, but the rich man. Hear this! Body is the physical representation of the spiriual soul. The body is cloth of a breathed living soul $ soul cannot be quenched, hence it forever lives.

If heaven and hell is a spiritual place, so is the spiritual soul of man. In heaven, living souls drink water of life and eat from the trees of life i.e leaves, fruits, others. It is a prosperous place prepared for us. And hell is a place of poverty, lack, starvation, hunger, pains, torments, hopelessness, helplessness. Reason, God opened the windows of heaven for the rich man to see Lazarus' pleasure without lack. Jesus says "ALL THAT IS MINE IS YOURS."

Lazarus' indication being saved by grace proves God's static word. Believe His promise!

But your question is inspired by scientific criticism of the big bang theorists, JW share same disbelief system with them under the guise of light. RELIGION OF DISBELIEF UNDER THE GUISE OF LIGHT IS SATAN'S TRANSFORMATION INTO ANGEL OF LIGHT.

Poloyanabo1:
I love God and i also live in Fear...
The Fear of God is the beggining of Wisdom.

I have a personal relationship with Christ, He called me a Son of Favour!
What about you?

Living in fear is not good Christian or not

Wolgrace:
Daejoyoung

Lazarus wasn't the one found in hell, but the rich man. Hear this! Body is the physical representation of the spiriual soul. The body is cloth of a breathed living soul $ soul cannot be quenched, hence it forever lives.

If heaven and hell is a spiritual place, so is the spiritual soul of man. In heaven, living souls drink water of life and eat from the trees of life i.e leaves, fruits, others. It is a prosperous place prepared for us. And hell is a place of poverty, lack, starvation, hunger, pains, torments, hopelessness, helplessness. Reason, God opened the windows of heaven for the rich man to see Lazarus' pleasure without lack. Jesus says "ALL THAT IS MINE IS YOURS."

Lazarus' indication being saved by grace proves God's static word. Believe His promise!

But your question is inspired by scientific criticism of the big bang theorists, JW share same disbelief system with them under the guise of light. RELIGION OF DISBELIEF UNDER THE GUISE OF LIGHT IS SATAN'S TRANSFORMATION INTO ANGEL OF LIGHT.

oh my bad, I meant the Richman.
So you are saying, after death, our souls can still eat, drink,and do all sort of physical things?

Dtruthspeaker:


My Misled Fellow, you obviously have not received the memo that God has since changed the plan. For Adam and ALL WORLD and the God's Plan, died with Adam and the World, Then.

A New World and New Plan was made for Man and Noah is now our Adam. All the former things you are standing on were washed away with the old world And Fresh Instructions were thereafter, Given by God and MODIFIED, CHANGED, AMENDED MANY THINGS. Which till today Remain. Genesis 9: 1-7.

So Genesis 3: 19 is Gone Forever, Now it is LAKE OF FIRE!

OK my noble fellow, i disagree with your explanation because it's Adamic sin that made us sinners NOT Noah's Sir! Roman 5:12

Wolgrace:


Op and Maximus69 It is not a parable but a reality story before His mission on earth. Meaning Jesus Christ is the same omnipotent, omniscience, and omnipresence God yesterday, today, and forever who sees all activities of men on earth. His narration of the story is to reveal His omnipresence divinity as a divine accountant, hence he chose the rich man and Lazarus' scenerio to account their works. However, Lazarus was saved by grace of Christ. Remember, it was after His death, many who died in faith and hope on God's promise (not deeds or works or human righteousness) were resurrected with Him into the kingdom, Lazarus inclusive. You're inexcusable

See wahala the Orthodox Churches led you guys to?

A Lazarus was resurrected into the kingdom when Revelations said resurrection is still a future event {Revelations 20:11-13} even the first century Christians believed that during the resurrection CHRISTIANS WILL BE THE FIRST SET! 1Thessalonians 4:16

So when did your own Lazarus resurrected that made the so called Lazarus RISE BEFORE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST?

Daejoyoung:

oh my bad, I meant the Richman.
So you are saying, after death, our souls can still eat, drink,and do all sort of physical things?

Please ask him to explain Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

[quote author=Maximus69 post=90154230]
See wahala the Orthodox Churches led you guys to?

A Lazarus was resurrected into the kingdom when Revelations said resurrection is still a future event {Revelations 20:11-13} even the first century Christians believed that during the resurrection CHRISTIANS WILL BE THE FIRST SET! 1Thessalonians 4:16

So when did your own Lazarus resurrected that made the so called Lazarus [b]RISE BEFORE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST?

Lazarus' soul & souls of the ancient fathers who died in God's faith & hope were all taken to the kingdom by angels before Christ's mission, & their bodies rest in the graves. BUT THEY'VE RECEIVED THEIR OWN TRANSFORMED BODILY RESURRECTION IMMEDIATELY CHRIST'S DEATH.

The future resurrection are bodily resurrection of the dead saints who are now in heaven i.e souls in heaven will receive their immortal bodies transformed from the mortals while the living ones will automatically be taken up & transformed (Jesus, Elijah, Enoch pattern) by His power

Daejoyoung:

oh my bad, I meant the Richman.
So you are saying, after death, our souls can still eat, drink,and do all sort of physical things?

Not physical things, my brother. Is heaven earthly? No, neither is hell. Revelation from our Lord God Almighty & saviour, Jesus Christ to John on exile in Patmos tell us that souls in heaven eats and drinks. BELIEVE IN HIM AS "SAID."

See, JW is a typical religious institution inspired and instituted by big bang theory known as Luciferian theology operating under disbelief of the knowledge of our Lord God & saviour Jesus Christ i.e His faith, righteousness, & holiness, His works, and His promise.

Remember, a similar religious group that offers food or sacrifice to the dead, they believe they can change God's standard by bribing or forcing him to accept human righteousness. THE SOULS CAN'T EAT FROM THE PHYSICAL BUT SPIRITUAL. Unfortunately, it would be a great loss to miss the heaven where souls do eat and drink (read revelation).

Maximus69:


OK my noble fellow, i disagree with your explanation because it's Adamic sin that made us sinners NOT Noah's Sir! Roman 5:12

I never said Noah's sin oh!

I am saying that Adam Destroyed Our Perfect Nature and our Propensity to Do Only Good, as God had Earlier Created Us by Bringing in Evil into A Good Soul as a Disease which now makes all of 'Us Sick' and therefore we Die. This is not in debate.

What we are contesting what happens to the soul of man now after Death! And we clearly saying that No Soul is going to Nothingness (as you said) but they shall Rise up to Face Judgement and thereafter, some will LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING LIFE.

SOME WILL LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT AND TORMENT

The Common Factor is ALL SOULS SHALL LIVE!

Daniel 12:2;

Mathew 25:46

Revelations 20: 12-15

Daejoyoung:

I am asking you as a human who believe this is what the creator would do, from your own God given human conscience, is it just to you? Or didn't God give you a conscience to differentiate what could be right and wrong? or is God a dictator who cannot be questioned?
If it was God's intention not to be questioned by humans, then surely he would have made humans robots.

With great Joy Do I Tell you that I have seen for a Truth that ALL THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD ARE RIGHT AND ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND SHALL FOREVER BE RIGHT AND JUST.

They are even far better than what judgements man can ever give. They are Always Just Is or Just Right!

I challenge you to pick any of His Judgements, let us look at it together.

Dtruthspeaker:


With great Joy Do I Tell you that I have seen for a Truth that ALL THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD ARE RIGHT AND ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND SHALL FOREVER BE RIGHT AND JUST.

They are even far better than what judgements man can ever give. They are Always Just Is or Just Right!

I challenge you to pick any of His Judgements, let us look at it together.

ok, is it just to keep someone burning for all eternity because he told a lie just before he died, even though he was a christian all his life, and then admit someone who was a rapist, killer, etc into heaven for all eternity because he confessed jesus as lord on his deathbed?
Is this justice? if so, how?

Dtruthspeaker:


I never said Noah's sin oh!

I am saying that Adam Destroyed Our Perfect Nature and our Propensity to Do Only Good, as God had Earlier Created Us by Bringing in Evil into A Good Soul as a Disease which now makes all of 'Us Sick' and therefore we Die. This is not in debate.

What we are contesting what happens to the soul of man now after Death! And we clearly saying that No Soul is going to Nothingness (as you said) but they shall Rise up to Face Judgement and thereafter, some will LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING LIFE.

SOME WILL LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT AND TORMENT

The Common Factor is ALL SOULS SHALL LIVE!

Daniel 12:2;

Mathew 25:46

Revelations 20: 12-15

God's word says "SOUL DIES" Ezekiel 18:4

Daejoyoung:

ok, is it just to keep someone burning for all eternity because he told a lie just before he died, even though he was a christian all his life, and then admit someone who was a rapist, killer, etc into heaven for all eternity because he confessed jesus as lord on his deathbed?
Is this justice? if so, how?

I do not understand please explain?
Who lied before dying? And who is the rapist, killer?

Maximus69:


God's word says "SOUL DIES" Ezekiel 18:4

Not in issue for They Shall Die, then Awake to Judgement, Then those who did well, will get well which is Everlasting Life of Goodness and Wellness.

Those who did evil, will get Everlasting Life of Shame, Torment and Damnation!

There is no Nothingness Anywhere for Any Soul.

This is the Law of Life and Death!

Dtruthspeaker:


Not in issue for They Shall Die, then Awake to Judgement, Then those who did well, will get well which is Everlasting Life of Goodness and Wellness.

Those who did evil, will get Everlasting Life of Shame, Torment and Damnation!

There is no Nothingness Anywhere for Any Soul.

This is the Law of Life and Death!

I thought you said it's only the body that die nah!

Why are you saying soul will awake, awake for what again?

Sebi you said it's the body that die, "all souls shall live"

Maximus69:


I thought you said it's only the body that die nah!

Why are you saying soul will awake, awake for what again?

Sebi you said it's the body that die, "all souls shall live"

Ol boy, when did I ever say it is only the body that shall die?

Biko, no dey Lie, now! Hian!

You don't have to continue, all we have been proving to you is that when the soul dies, it shall arise for Judgement, to get either Eternal Good Life or Eternal Torment Life!

This is the Law!

Dtruthspeaker:


Ol boy, when did I ever say it is only the body that shall die?

Biko, no dey Lie, now! Hian!

You don't have to continue, all we have been proving to you is that when the soul dies, it shall arise for Judgement, to get either Eternal Good Life or Eternal Torment Life!

This is the Law!

God told Adam the first man that he will die {Genesis 3:19} and that's the law affecting all of us till now! Romans 5:12

Adam died and nothing survives Adam's body as Satan promised them saying "you will not really die" {Genesis 3:4} it's you that's now mimicking Satan's word, God's word told Adam "if you eat the forbidden fruit will die" {Genesis 2:17} and Adam die completely!

Maximus69:


God told Adam the first man that he will die {Genesis 3:19} and that's the law affecting all of us till now! Romans 5:12

Adam died and nothing survives Adam's body as Satan promised them saying "you will not really die" {Genesis 3:4} it's you that's now mimicking Satan's word, God's word told Adam "if you eat the forbidden fruit will die" {Genesis 2:17} and Adam die completely!

After lying and all the journeys till we got to the end of the argument, you have gone back to the beginning again

The Law of Life and Death will still not Change.

Do all that you know, that is good and the Lord shall Judge your work and give thee your Due Reward!

Dtruthspeaker:


After lying and all the journeys till we got to the end of the argument, you have gone back to the beginning again

The Law of Life and Death will still not Change.

Do all that you know, that is good and the Lord shall Judge your work and give thee your Due Reward!

@bolded is 100%

Life is what all of us are enjoying now!

Death is nothingness, non-existence! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Maximus69:


@bolded is 100%

Life is what all of us are enjoying now!

Death is nothingness, non-existence! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

There is no escaping the Law. Ecclesiastes is still saying the beginning of this debate which I have shown you by Law, the end thereof.

What you did not know is that from Noah up until Daniel, know one knew what happened to the soul after Death.

But Daniel, finally now Reveals to us, God's Plan for the Soul (Daniel 12: 2).

Dtruthspeaker:


There is no escaping the Law. Ecclesiastes is still saying the beginning of this debate which I have shown you by Law, the end thereof.

What you did not know is that from Noah up until Daniel, know one knew what happened to the soul after Death.

But Daniel, finally now Reveals to us, God's Plan for the Soul (Daniel 12: 2).

Humans are Souls just like any other creatures, so as they die and are forgotten that's the same thing that happens to us! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Maximus69:


Humans are Souls just like any other creatures, so as they die and are forgotten that's the same thing that happens to us! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Even after I have explained that NO ONE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL WHEN IT DIES, for God DID NOT REVEAL IT TO ANYONE UNTIL DANIEL CAME?

Go your way, for I will never speak beyond the Law, which I have already told you, but you do not wish to hear it , you can go your way.

I leave you with the words of David, Beloved and Friend of God, Father of the Foolish Solomon, whom David Taught to All that he should know,
yet the stupid boy did not continue in keeping with his teachings and Instructions but departed from following the Lord. Who thereafter died without obtaining the Mercy of God and whom you are now following;

"there is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof, are the ways of death" Proverbs 14:12. And

"He that refuseth Instruction, despiseth his own soul: but he that geteth (proofs and) reproof(s) getteth understanding.

Wolgrace:


First of all, hell fire is not my portion.

With your questions, you share same belief with big bang theorists(atheists) under the guise of light. Human religion is an enmity with God

Purgatory, Hell-Fire only started showing up in the Bible after the Death of Christ (at least 70 yrs after) The Hebrew Children of God have never recorded any sort of Hell in the Old Testament .. the Romans/Greeks are the ones who have hell and heaven in their religious texts

LaEvilIMiss:


Purgatory, Hell-Fire only started showing up in the Bible after the Death of Christ (at least 70 yrs after) The Hebrew Children of God have never recorded any sort of Hell in the Old Testament .. the Romans/Greeks are the ones who have hell and heaven in their religious texts

And the old Hebrew prophets don't have heaven and hell in the scriptural texts? Miss, no one can deceive you, except yourself..

Why do you believe majority of women end up in hell? Your siggy inspiration.

Wolgrace:


And the old Hebrew prophets don't have heaven and hell in the scriptural texts? Miss, no one can deceive you, except yourself..

Why do you believe majority of women end up in hell? Your siggy inspiration.

Where in the old testament do you find your concept of everlasting heaven or hell?
Majority of women end up in hell must be a quote of Muhammed.

Wolgrace:


And the old Hebrew prophets don't have heaven and hell in the scriptural texts? Miss, no one can deceive you, except yourself..

Why do you believe majority of women end up in hell? Your siggy inspiration.

You apparently are unaware that Islam and Judaism share a common thread - next time make real references when it comes to scripture and also signatures and monikers are not always the reference point for some posters - if it were, mine will be murder all idiots

Daejoyoung:

Where in the old testament do you find your concept of everlasting heaven or hell?
Majority of women end up in hell must be a quote of Muhammed.

Torah Bruv - Ask A jew his concept of Heaven and you will never find pearly gates and gold-tiled streets - SHEOL is not hell either but a physical place (Burning waste depot)

You are widely read - yes it is a quote from the Hadith

Dtruthspeaker:


Even after I have explained that NO ONE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL WHEN IT DIES, for God DID NOT REVEAL IT TO ANYONE UNTIL DANIEL CAME?

Go your way, for I will never speak beyond the Law, which I have already told you, but you do not wish to hear it , you can go your way.

I leave you with the words of David, Beloved and Friend of God, Father of the Foolish Solomon, whom David Taught to All that he should know,
yet the stupid boy did not continue in keeping with his teachings and Instructions but departed from following the Lord. Who thereafter died without obtaining the Mercy of God and whom you are now following;

"there is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof, are the ways of death" Proverbs 14:12. And

"He that refuseth Instruction, despiseth his own soul: but he that geteth (proofs and) reproof(s) getteth understanding.

Soul dies Ezekiel 18:4!

It's you that's denying God's word because of your hellfire fallacy!

Maximus69:


Soul dies Ezekiel 18:4!

It's you that's denying God's word because of your hellfire fallacy!

A thing will not become true simply because you wish it to be. And a matter is not established by many repetitions!