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Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Andy15(m): 9:39am On May 28, 2020
Many people believe that God punishes people for the bad they have done in the past. What do you think?
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by MightySparrow: 9:48am On May 28, 2020
Exactly
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by MJBOLT: 10:04am On May 28, 2020
YES grin
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Benbisco(f): 10:25am On May 28, 2020
Andy15:
Many people believe that God punishes people for the bad they have done in the past. What do you think?

When people do wrong, it is given that they are punished. When citizens of a country (even foreigners) go against the laws of that country, they will be punished. when students do not keep the rules of the school, they will be punished. When people sin, they are also bound to be punished by God. However, if these people realize their mistake and sincerely repent, I do not see why they will not be forgiven by God. It is very unlikely that God will look at what a person did 3yrs back and say He wants to punish him now if the person had asked for forgiveness and never goes back to it.

God is never the reason for our problems. Our actions usually are.

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by kingxsamz(m): 10:36am On May 28, 2020
God or Hitler, who's worse? cheesy

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Dtruthspeaker: 2:52pm On May 28, 2020
Benbisco:


When people do wrong, it is given that they are punished. When citizens of a country (even foreigners) go against the laws of that country, they will be punished. when students do not keep the rules of the school, they will be punished. When people sin, they are also bound to be punished by God. However, if these people realize their mistake and sincerely repent, I do not see why they will not be forgiven by God. It is very unlikely that God will look at what a person did 3yrs back and say He wants to punish him now if the person had asked for forgiveness and never goes back to it.

God is never the reason for our problems. Our actions usually are.

Great answer!

God has already provided that Where there is a Wrong, there Must be a Remedy; Where there is a Conflict, There must be a Resolution.

That's why God Made Courts To Correct the Wrongs and Give Remedy to the Injured and also to settle Conflicts Correctly, Goodly, Rightly and Accurately (to the best of human ability) and leaving everyone Accurately Satisfied, Just-Is and Balance.

God made Lawyers to Distill the Rights and Goods from the Wrongs and Evils.

God made the Judges, who are lawyers themselves, to See the Goods and Do Them as well as Seeing the Evil, to Quench it!

But my people on earth do not know these truths for they have allowed Satan to corrupt all, in that they Do No Rights and Goods themselves, therefore how shall they get Rights and Goods too? On one hand.

So how shall they not Fear He who Does Rights and Goods when He comes? Shall He not Condemn them for the Evil and Wrongs which they do too?

Therefore when the Lord shall Judge, He shall do Just Is!
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Dantedasz(m): 5:07pm On May 28, 2020

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Andy15(m): 4:51pm On May 30, 2020
Benbisco:


When people do wrong, it is given that they are punished. When citizens of a country (even foreigners) go against the laws of that country, they will be punished. when students do not keep the rules of the school, they will be punished. When people sin, they are also bound to be punished by God. However, if these people realize their mistake and sincerely repent, I do not see why they will not be forgiven by God. It is very unlikely that God will look at what a person did 3yrs back and say He wants to punish him now if the person had asked for forgiveness and never goes back to it.

God is never the reason for our problems. Our actions usually are.
Yes even job 34:10 tells us that it is unthinkable for God to act wickedly

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by kingxsamz(m): 5:01pm On May 30, 2020
Andy15:

Yes even job 34:10 tells us that it is unthinkable for God to act wickedly

Was he being kind when he killed all these people? undecided

Killing Event Reference Bible's
Number Estimate


1 The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 20,000,000
2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 While they were sore, Dinah's brethren
slew all the males
Gen 34:1-31 ,
Judith 9:2-3 2 1,000
6 Er for being wicked in the sight of the
Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
7 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
8 A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000
9 There will be blood: The first plague of
Egypt
Ex 7:15-27 , Wis
11:7-8 10,000
10 The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000
11 Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,000
12 The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
13 Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000
14 Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing
friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
15 Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000
16 God burns Aaron's sons to death for
offering "strange fire" Lev 10:1-3 2 2
17 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
18 When the people complained, God
burned them to death Num 11:1 100
19
While the flesh was still between their
teeth, the Lord smote them will a very
great plague
Num 11:33 10,000
20 Ten scouts are killed for their honest
report Num 14:35-45 10 110
21 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath
day is stoned to death Num 15:32-35 1 1
22 Korah, his companions, and their
families are buried alive Num 16:27 3 9
23 God burns 250 people to death for
burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
24 God kills 14,700 for complaining about
God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
25 The massacre of the Aradies Num 21:1-2 3,000
26
God sent serpents to bite people for
complaining about the lack of food and
water
Num 21:6 100
27 Phineas's double murder: A killing to end
God's killing Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
28 The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved
all the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
29 God slowly killed the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 500,000
30 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 5,000
31 God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his
people can be killed Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
32 Og and all the men women, and children
in 60 cities Dt 3:6 1 60,000
33 The Jericho massacre Jos 6:21 1,000
34 Achan and his family Jos 7:10-26 1 5
35 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
36 God stops the sun so Joshua can get his
killing done in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 5,000
37 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
38 Joshua utterly destroyed all that
breathed as the Lord commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
39 The genocide of twenty cities: There
was not any left to breathe Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
40 The Anakim: some more giant killing Jos 11:20-21 5,000
41 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and
Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
42 The Jerusalem massacre Jg 1:8 1,000
43 Five massacres, a wedding, and God-
proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 5,000
44 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
45 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
46 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
47 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox
goad Jg 3:31 600 600
48 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 1,000
49 Jael pounds a tent stake through a
sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
50 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's
sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
51 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to
death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-27 1,001 2,000
52 The Ammonite massacre Jg 11:32-33 20,000
53 Jephthah's daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
54 42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth"
test Jg 12:4-7 42,000 42,000
55 Samson murdered 30 men for their
clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
56 Samson killed 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
57 Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist
attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
58
A holy civil war (it had something to do
with rotting concubine body part
messages)
Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
59 The end of Judges: two genocides and
200 stolen virgins Jg 21:10-14 4,000
60 God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite
soldiers 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11 34,002 34,002
61 God smote them with hemorrhoids in
their secret parts 1 Sam 5:1-12 3,000
62 50,070 killed for looking into the ark of
the Lord 1 Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
63 The Lord thundered a great thunder
upon the Philistines 1 Sam 7:10-11 1,000
64
Another Ammonite massacre
(and another God-inspired body part
message)
1 Sam 11:6-13 1,000
65 Jonathan's first slaughter 1 Sam 14:12-14 20 20
66 God forces the Philistines to kill each
other 1 Sam 14:20 1,000
67 The Amalekite genocide 1 Sam 15:2-3 10,000
68 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the
Lord 1 Sam 15:32-33 1 1
69 In the valley of Elah: Goliath 1 Sam 17:51 , 2
Sam 21:19 1 1
70 David buys a wife with 200 Philistine
foreskins 1 Sam 18:27 200 200
71 The Lord said to David, Go and smite
the Philistines 1 Sam 23:2-5 10,000
72 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife
and other stuff) 1 Sam 25:38 1 1
73 David commits random acts of genocide
for the Philistines 1 Sam 27:8-11 60,000
74 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1 Sam 30:17 1,000
75
God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers
(because Saul didn't kill all the
Amalekites)
1 Sam 31:2 , 2
Chr 10:6 4 100
76 David kills the messenger 2 Sam 1:15 1 1
77 David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab
and Baanah 2 Sam 4:12 2 2
78 God helps David smite the Philistines
from the front and the rear 2 Sam 5:19-25 2,000
79 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the
ark from falling
2 Sam 6:6-7 , 1
Chr 13:9-10 1 1
80 David killed two-thirds of the Moabite
POWs and enslaved the rest 2 Sam 8:2 667
81 And the Lord gave David victory
wherever he went 2 Sam 8 - 10 65,850 66,850
82 David killed every male in Edom
2 Sam 8:13-14 , 1
Kg 11:15-16 , 1
Chr 18:12 , Ps
60:1
15,000 25,000
83 Thus did David do to all the children of
Ammon
2 Sam 11:1 , 1
Chr 20:1 1,000
84 God slowly kills a baby 2 Sam 12:14-18 1 1
85 Seven sons of Saul are hung up before
the Lord 2 Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
86 David's mighty men and their amazing
killings
2 Sam 23 , 1 Chr
11 1,403 3,400
87
God killed 70,000 because of David had
a census that God (or Satan) told him to
do
2 Sam 24:15 , 1
Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
88 Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per
David's deathbed wish) 1 Kg 2:29-46 2 2
89 A tale of two prophets 1 Kg 13:11-24 1 1
90 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1 Kg 14:17 1 1
91 Jeroboam's family 1 Kg 15:29 10
92 Baasha's family and friends 1 Kg 16:11-12 20
93 Zimri burns to death 1 Kg 16:18-19 1 1
94 The drought of Elijah
1 Kg 17:1 , Luke
4:25 , James
5:17-18
3,000
95 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a
prayer contest 1 Kg 18:22-40 450 450
96 The first God-assisted slaughter of the
Syrians 1 Kg 20:20-21 10,000
97 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling
him a god of the hills 1 Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
98 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a
wall fall on them 1 Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
99 God sent a lion to kill a man for not
smiting a prophet 1 Kg 20:35-36 1 1
100 God killed Ahab for not killing a captured
king 1 Kg 20:42 , 22:35 1 1
101 God burned 102 men to death for asking
Elijah to come down from his hill 2 Kg 1:10-12 102 102
102 God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong
God
2 Kg 1:16-17 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 1 1
103 God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making
fun of a prophet's bald head 2 Kg 2:23-24 42 42
104 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2 Kg 3:18-25 5,000
105 A skeptic is trampled to death 2 Kg 7:2-20 1 1
106 God's seven year famine 2 Kg 8:1 7,000
107 Jehoram of Israel 2 Kg 9:24 1 1
108 Jezebel 2 Kg 9:33-37 1 1
109 Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets 2 Kg 10:6-10 70 70
110 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and
priests 2 Kg 10:11 20
111 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2 Kg 10:12-13 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 42 42
112 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of
Ahab's family 2 Kg 10:17 20
113 Jehu assembled the followers of Baal
and then slaughtered them all 2 Kg 10:18-25 1,000
114 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen
Athaliah 2 Kg 11:17-20 2 2
115 God sent lions to eat those who didn't
fear him enough 2 Kg 17:25-26 10
116 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2 Kg 19:34 , 37:36 185,000 185,000
117 God caused King Sennacherib to be
killed by his sons
2 Kg 19:37 , Tobit
1:21 1 1
118 Josiah killed all the priests of the high
places 2 Kg 23:20 100
119 Just another holy war 1 Chr 5:18-22 50,000
120 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2 Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
121 Jeroboam 2 Chr 13:20 1 1
122 God killed a million Ethiopians 2 Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
123 Friendly fire: God forced "a great
multitude" to kill each other 2 Chr 20:22-25 30,000
124 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2 Chr 21:14-19 1 1
125 God killed Jehoram's sons 2 Chr 22:1 3
126 Ahaziah of Judah 2 Chr 22:7-8 1 1
127 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2 Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
128 God destroyed Amaziah 2 Chr 25:15-27 1 1,000
129 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2 Chr 28:1-5 1 10,000
130 God killed 120,000 valiant men for
forsaking him 2 Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
131 The fall of Jerusalem 2 Chr 36:16-17 10,000
132 The Purim killings: God hath done these
things Esther 2 - 9 , 10:4 75,813 75,813
133 God and Satan kill Job's children and
slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
134 Hananiah Jer 28:15-16 1 1
135 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
136 Oh! Susanna Dan 13:6-62 2 2
137 Judith is blessed above all women (for
cutting off a sleeping man's head) Judith 13:6-10 1 1
138 The Judith massacre: hang ye up this
head upon our walls Judith 15:1-6 1,000
139 Mathathias's double murder 1 Mac 2:24-25 2 2
140 Mathathias and his friends slay the
wicked sinners 1 Mac 2:44 100
141 God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious
wretch 2 Mac 4:38 1 1
142 A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the
sacrilegious fellow 2 Mac 4:42 1 1
143 God helped Judas Machabeus destroy
the wicked
1 Mac 3:1-26 , 2
Mac 8:5-6 800 4,900
144 Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of
Gorgias's soldiers 1 Mac 3:44-4:24 3,000 3,000
145 The Hanukkah killings 1 Mac 4:34 - 5:7 5,000 17,000
146 The Machabees brothers slaughter the
heathens 1 Mac 5:21-51 11,000 37,000
147
Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their
helper, they slew above nine thousand
men
1 Mac 7:32-47 , 2
Mac 8:24 , 15:27 147,002 147,002
148 Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked
out of Israel
1 Mac 9:46-49 ,
2 Mac 8:30-33 ,
10:61
1,000 1,200
149 Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and
fireballs at the enemy
2 Mac
8:32 - 10:38 21,103 21,400
150 God killed Antiochus with an incurable
bowel disease 2 Mac 9:5-28 1 1
151 Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two
towers 2 Mac 10:16-17 40,000 40,100
152 Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the
help of God
1 Mac 7:33-48 , 2
Mac 15:1-35 35,000 35,000
153 Aliens at Cades 1 Mac 11:74 3,000 3,000
154 John burns to death 2000 in the tower
of Azotus 1 Mac 16:10 2,000 2,000
155 God sent wasps to slowly destroy people Wisdom 12:8-9 1,000
156 Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:5-10 2 2
157 Herod Aggripa Acts 12:23 1 1
158 Jesus Rom 8:32 , 1 Pet
1:1820

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by CodeTemplar: 6:46pm On May 30, 2020
If every man follow God's commands there will be no suffering in the first place.

Blaming God for suffering will be like a man who buys a brand new Toyota Camry, fuels it with acid and pepper against Toyota's instruction, then blames Toyota for the break down of the vehicle.

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Dtruthspeaker: 7:16pm On May 30, 2020
CodeTemplar:
If every man follow God's commands there will be no suffering in the first place.

Blaming God for suffering will be like a man who buys a brand new Toyota Camry, fuels it with acid and pepper against Toyota's instruction, then blames Toyota for the break down of the vehicle.

grin grin grin

Clap! Clap!! Clap!!!

'nuff said. Couldn't have said it any better cheesy
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Uyi168: 7:17pm On May 30, 2020
Benbisco:


When people do wrong, it is given that they are punished. When citizens of a country (even foreigners) go against the laws of that country, they will be punished. when students do not keep the rules of the school, they will be punished. When people sin, they are also bound to be punished by God. However, if these people realize their mistake and sincerely repent, I do not see why they will not be forgiven by God. It is very unlikely that God will look at what a person did 3yrs back and say He wants to punish him now if the person had asked for forgiveness and never goes back to it.

God is never the reason for our problems. Our actions usually are.
.. What about kids born with incurable genetic disorders
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Andy15(m): 11:31pm On May 30, 2020
Uyi168:
.. What about kids born with incurable genetic disorders
we are imperfect and so are born with disorders,allergies,mutations and so on
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by JonDon12: 11:57pm On May 30, 2020
Andy15:
Many people believe that God punishes people for the bad they have done in the past. What do you think?

God disciplines us so we can change
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Uyi168: 12:27am On May 31, 2020
Andy15:
we are imperfect and so are born with disorders,allergies,mutations and so on
.. Whose fault is it that we are born with all these??
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Andy15(m): 12:54pm On May 31, 2020
Uyi168:
.. Whose fault is it that we are born with all these??
Adam and eve

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Benbisco(f): 5:45pm On May 31, 2020
Uyi168:
.. What about kids born with incurable genetic disorders

Please I do not get you. Are you asking if this could be a kind of punishment from God?
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Uyi168: 5:48pm On May 31, 2020
Benbisco:


Please I do not get you. Are you asking if this could be a kind of punishment from God?
..
Yeah... More like, what were the sins of these kids..??
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Benbisco(f): 6:11pm On May 31, 2020
kingxsamz:


Was he being kind when he killed all these people? undecided

Killing Event Reference Bible's
Number Estimate


1 The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 20,000,000
2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 While they were sore, Dinah's brethren
slew all the males
Gen 34:1-31 ,
Judith 9:2-3 2 1,000
6 Er for being wicked in the sight of the
Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
7 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
8 A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000
9 There will be blood: The first plague of
Egypt
Ex 7:15-27 , Wis
11:7-8 10,000
10 The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000
11 Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,000
12 The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
13 Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000
14 Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing
friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
15 Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000
16 God burns Aaron's sons to death for
offering "strange fire" Lev 10:1-3 2 2
17 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
18 When the people complained, God
burned them to death Num 11:1 100
19
While the flesh was still between their
teeth, the Lord smote them will a very
great plague
Num 11:33 10,000
20 Ten scouts are killed for their honest
report Num 14:35-45 10 110
21 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath
day is stoned to death Num 15:32-35 1 1
22 Korah, his companions, and their
families are buried alive Num 16:27 3 9
23 God burns 250 people to death for
burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
24 God kills 14,700 for complaining about
God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
25 The massacre of the Aradies Num 21:1-2 3,000
26
God sent serpents to bite people for
complaining about the lack of food and
water
Num 21:6 100
27 Phineas's double murder: A killing to end
God's killing Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
28 The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved
all the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
29 God slowly killed the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 500,000
30 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 5,000
31 God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his
people can be killed Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
32 Og and all the men women, and children
in 60 cities Dt 3:6 1 60,000
33 The Jericho massacre Jos 6:21 1,000
34 Achan and his family Jos 7:10-26 1 5
35 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
36 God stops the sun so Joshua can get his
killing done in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 5,000
37 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
38 Joshua utterly destroyed all that
breathed as the Lord commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
39 The genocide of twenty cities: There
was not any left to breathe Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
40 The Anakim: some more giant killing Jos 11:20-21 5,000
41 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and
Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
42 The Jerusalem massacre Jg 1:8 1,000
43 Five massacres, a wedding, and God-
proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 5,000
44 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
45 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
46 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
47 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox
goad Jg 3:31 600 600
48 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 1,000
49 Jael pounds a tent stake through a
sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
50 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's
sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
51 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to
death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-27 1,001 2,000
52 The Ammonite massacre Jg 11:32-33 20,000
53 Jephthah's daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
54 42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth"
test Jg 12:4-7 42,000 42,000
55 Samson murdered 30 men for their
clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
56 Samson killed 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
57 Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist
attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
58
A holy civil war (it had something to do
with rotting concubine body part
messages)
Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
59 The end of Judges: two genocides and
200 stolen virgins Jg 21:10-14 4,000
60 God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite
soldiers 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11 34,002 34,002
61 God smote them with hemorrhoids in
their secret parts 1 Sam 5:1-12 3,000
62 50,070 killed for looking into the ark of
the Lord 1 Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
63 The Lord thundered a great thunder
upon the Philistines 1 Sam 7:10-11 1,000
64
Another Ammonite massacre
(and another God-inspired body part
message)
1 Sam 11:6-13 1,000
65 Jonathan's first slaughter 1 Sam 14:12-14 20 20
66 God forces the Philistines to kill each
other 1 Sam 14:20 1,000
67 The Amalekite genocide 1 Sam 15:2-3 10,000
68 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the
Lord 1 Sam 15:32-33 1 1
69 In the valley of Elah: Goliath 1 Sam 17:51 , 2
Sam 21:19 1 1
70 David buys a wife with 200 Philistine
foreskins 1 Sam 18:27 200 200
71 The Lord said to David, Go and smite
the Philistines 1 Sam 23:2-5 10,000
72 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife
and other stuff) 1 Sam 25:38 1 1
73 David commits random acts of genocide
for the Philistines 1 Sam 27:8-11 60,000
74 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1 Sam 30:17 1,000
75
God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers
(because Saul didn't kill all the
Amalekites)
1 Sam 31:2 , 2
Chr 10:6 4 100
76 David kills the messenger 2 Sam 1:15 1 1
77 David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab
and Baanah 2 Sam 4:12 2 2
78 God helps David smite the Philistines
from the front and the rear 2 Sam 5:19-25 2,000
79 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the
ark from falling
2 Sam 6:6-7 , 1
Chr 13:9-10 1 1
80 David killed two-thirds of the Moabite
POWs and enslaved the rest 2 Sam 8:2 667
81 And the Lord gave David victory
wherever he went 2 Sam 8 - 10 65,850 66,850
82 David killed every male in Edom
2 Sam 8:13-14 , 1
Kg 11:15-16 , 1
Chr 18:12 , Ps
60:1
15,000 25,000
83 Thus did David do to all the children of
Ammon
2 Sam 11:1 , 1
Chr 20:1 1,000
84 God slowly kills a baby 2 Sam 12:14-18 1 1
85 Seven sons of Saul are hung up before
the Lord 2 Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
86 David's mighty men and their amazing
killings
2 Sam 23 , 1 Chr
11 1,403 3,400
87
God killed 70,000 because of David had
a census that God (or Satan) told him to
do
2 Sam 24:15 , 1
Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
88 Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per
David's deathbed wish) 1 Kg 2:29-46 2 2
89 A tale of two prophets 1 Kg 13:11-24 1 1
90 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1 Kg 14:17 1 1
91 Jeroboam's family 1 Kg 15:29 10
92 Baasha's family and friends 1 Kg 16:11-12 20
93 Zimri burns to death 1 Kg 16:18-19 1 1
94 The drought of Elijah
1 Kg 17:1 , Luke
4:25 , James
5:17-18
3,000
95 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a
prayer contest 1 Kg 18:22-40 450 450
96 The first God-assisted slaughter of the
Syrians 1 Kg 20:20-21 10,000
97 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling
him a god of the hills 1 Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
98 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a
wall fall on them 1 Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
99 God sent a lion to kill a man for not
smiting a prophet 1 Kg 20:35-36 1 1
100 God killed Ahab for not killing a captured
king 1 Kg 20:42 , 22:35 1 1
101 God burned 102 men to death for asking
Elijah to come down from his hill 2 Kg 1:10-12 102 102
102 God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong
God
2 Kg 1:16-17 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 1 1
103 God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making
fun of a prophet's bald head 2 Kg 2:23-24 42 42
104 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2 Kg 3:18-25 5,000
105 A skeptic is trampled to death 2 Kg 7:2-20 1 1
106 God's seven year famine 2 Kg 8:1 7,000
107 Jehoram of Israel 2 Kg 9:24 1 1
108 Jezebel 2 Kg 9:33-37 1 1
109 Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets 2 Kg 10:6-10 70 70
110 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and
priests 2 Kg 10:11 20
111 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2 Kg 10:12-13 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 42 42
112 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of
Ahab's family 2 Kg 10:17 20
113 Jehu assembled the followers of Baal
and then slaughtered them all 2 Kg 10:18-25 1,000
114 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen
Athaliah 2 Kg 11:17-20 2 2
115 God sent lions to eat those who didn't
fear him enough 2 Kg 17:25-26 10
116 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2 Kg 19:34 , 37:36 185,000 185,000
117 God caused King Sennacherib to be
killed by his sons
2 Kg 19:37 , Tobit
1:21 1 1
118 Josiah killed all the priests of the high
places 2 Kg 23:20 100
119 Just another holy war 1 Chr 5:18-22 50,000
120 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2 Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
121 Jeroboam 2 Chr 13:20 1 1
122 God killed a million Ethiopians 2 Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
123 Friendly fire: God forced "a great
multitude" to kill each other 2 Chr 20:22-25 30,000
124 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2 Chr 21:14-19 1 1
125 God killed Jehoram's sons 2 Chr 22:1 3
126 Ahaziah of Judah 2 Chr 22:7-8 1 1
127 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2 Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
128 God destroyed Amaziah 2 Chr 25:15-27 1 1,000
129 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2 Chr 28:1-5 1 10,000
130 God killed 120,000 valiant men for
forsaking him 2 Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
131 The fall of Jerusalem 2 Chr 36:16-17 10,000
132 The Purim killings: God hath done these
things Esther 2 - 9 , 10:4 75,813 75,813
133 God and Satan kill Job's children and
slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
134 Hananiah Jer 28:15-16 1 1
135 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
136 Oh! Susanna Dan 13:6-62 2 2
137 Judith is blessed above all women (for
cutting off a sleeping man's head) Judith 13:6-10 1 1
138 The Judith massacre: hang ye up this
head upon our walls Judith 15:1-6 1,000
139 Mathathias's double murder 1 Mac 2:24-25 2 2
140 Mathathias and his friends slay the
wicked sinners 1 Mac 2:44 100
141 God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious
wretch 2 Mac 4:38 1 1
142 A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the
sacrilegious fellow 2 Mac 4:42 1 1
143 God helped Judas Machabeus destroy
the wicked
1 Mac 3:1-26 , 2
Mac 8:5-6 800 4,900
144 Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of
Gorgias's soldiers 1 Mac 3:44-4:24 3,000 3,000
145 The Hanukkah killings 1 Mac 4:34 - 5:7 5,000 17,000
146 The Machabees brothers slaughter the
heathens 1 Mac 5:21-51 11,000 37,000
147
Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their
helper, they slew above nine thousand
men
1 Mac 7:32-47 , 2
Mac 8:24 , 15:27 147,002 147,002
148 Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked
out of Israel
1 Mac 9:46-49 ,
2 Mac 8:30-33 ,
10:61
1,000 1,200
149 Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and
fireballs at the enemy
2 Mac
8:32 - 10:38 21,103 21,400
150 God killed Antiochus with an incurable
bowel disease 2 Mac 9:5-28 1 1
151 Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two
towers 2 Mac 10:16-17 40,000 40,100
152 Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the
help of God
1 Mac 7:33-48 , 2
Mac 15:1-35 35,000 35,000
153 Aliens at Cades 1 Mac 11:74 3,000 3,000
154 John burns to death 2000 in the tower
of Azotus 1 Mac 16:10 2,000 2,000
155 God sent wasps to slowly destroy people Wisdom 12:8-9 1,000
156 Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:5-10 2 2
157 Herod Aggripa Acts 12:23 1 1
158 Jesus Rom 8:32 , 1 Pet
1:1820

This list of incidences of death and destruction in large numbers recorded in history can be better understood when we find out the reasons for their deaths.

The first for example, sin had multiplied on the earth greatly and God was not happy with it. He sent several warnings through Noah but the people did not listen. He even told them of the coming destruction and offered room in the ark but they still refused. If after such warnings punishment is meted out, then it is justified.

Even as humans, when we set boundaries, especially for subordinates, and they over step those boundaries, we most likely would warn and give room for change. When the expected change does not take place, I believe the next step would be punishment, which would be aimed at serving as a deterrent to others.

To the best of my knowledge, I do not think God is so callous as to want to see or watch people suffer or just punish for no justifiable reason.
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by kingxsamz(m): 6:25pm On May 31, 2020
Benbisco:


This list of incidences of death and destruction in large numbers recorded in history can be better understood when we find out the reasons for their deaths.

The first for example, sin had multiplied on the earth greatly and God was not happy with it. He sent several warnings through Noah but the people did not listen. He even told them of the coming destruction and offered room in the ark but they still refused. If after such warnings punishment is meted out, then it is justified.

Even as humans, when we set boundaries, especially for subordinates, and they over step those boundaries, we most likely would warn and give room for change. When the expected change does not take place, I believe the next step would be punishment, which would be aimed at serving as a deterrent to others.

To the best of my knowledge, I do not think God is so callous as to want to see or watch people suffer or just punish for no justifiable reason.

In few sentences, please explain why a good loving God would command men to kill innocent women and children, or make them slaves for a crime they didn't commit.
I await your response.
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Benbisco(f): 11:50am On Jun 01, 2020
kingxsamz:


In few sentences, please explain why a good loving God would command men to kill innocent women and children, or make them slaves for a crime they didn't commit.
I await your response.

Pls could you give an example of such a scenario so we can be more specific. Thanks.
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Benbisco(f): 11:54am On Jun 01, 2020
Uyi168:
..
Yeah... More like, what were the sins of these kids..??

These kids have committed no sin at all.
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Uyi168: 12:03pm On Jun 01, 2020
Benbisco:


These kids have committed no sin at all.
.. Ok
Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by kingxsamz(m): 12:31pm On Jun 01, 2020
Benbisco:


Pls could you give an example of such a scenario so we can be more specific. Thanks.

Infact I'll give you scenarios...


Killing Event Reference Bible's
Number Estimate


1 The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 20,000,000
2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 While they were sore, Dinah's brethren
slew all the males
Gen 34:1-31 ,
Judith 9:2-3 2 1,000
6 Er for being wicked in the sight of the
Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
7 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
8 A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000
9 There will be blood: The first plague of
Egypt
Ex 7:15-27 , Wis
11:7-8 10,000
10 The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000
11 Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,000
12 The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
13 Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000
14 Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing
friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
15 Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000
16 God burns Aaron's sons to death for
offering "strange fire" Lev 10:1-3 2 2
17 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
18 When the people complained, God
burned them to death Num 11:1 100
19
While the flesh was still between their
teeth, the Lord smote them will a very
great plague
Num 11:33 10,000
20 Ten scouts are killed for their honest
report Num 14:35-45 10 110
21 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath
day is stoned to death Num 15:32-35 1 1
22 Korah, his companions, and their
families are buried alive Num 16:27 3 9
23 God burns 250 people to death for
burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
24 God kills 14,700 for complaining about
God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
25 The massacre of the Aradies Num 21:1-2 3,000
26
God sent serpents to bite people for
complaining about the lack of food and
water
Num 21:6 100
27 Phineas's double murder: A killing to end
God's killing Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
28 The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved
all the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
29 God slowly killed the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 500,000
30 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 5,000
31 God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his
people can be killed Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
32 Og and all the men women, and children
in 60 cities Dt 3:6 1 60,000
33 The Jericho massacre Jos 6:21 1,000
34 Achan and his family Jos 7:10-26 1 5
35 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
36 God stops the sun so Joshua can get his
killing done in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 5,000
37 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
38 Joshua utterly destroyed all that
breathed as the Lord commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
39 The genocide of twenty cities: There
was not any left to breathe Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
40 The Anakim: some more giant killing Jos 11:20-21 5,000
41 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and
Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
42 The Jerusalem massacre Jg 1:8 1,000
43 Five massacres, a wedding, and God-
proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 5,000
44 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
45 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
46 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
47 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox
goad Jg 3:31 600 600
48 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 1,000
49 Jael pounds a tent stake through a
sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
50 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's
sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
51 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to
death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-27 1,001 2,000
52 The Ammonite massacre Jg 11:32-33 20,000
53 Jephthah's daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
54 42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth"
test Jg 12:4-7 42,000 42,000
55 Samson murdered 30 men for their
clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
56 Samson killed 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
57 Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist
attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
58
A holy civil war (it had something to do
with rotting concubine body part
messages)
Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
59 The end of Judges: two genocides and
200 stolen virgins Jg 21:10-14 4,000
60 God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite
soldiers 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11 34,002 34,002
61 God smote them with hemorrhoids in
their secret parts 1 Sam 5:1-12 3,000
62 50,070 killed for looking into the ark of
the Lord 1 Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
63 The Lord thundered a great thunder
upon the Philistines 1 Sam 7:10-11 1,000
64
Another Ammonite massacre
(and another God-inspired body part
message)
1 Sam 11:6-13 1,000
65 Jonathan's first slaughter 1 Sam 14:12-14 20 20
66 God forces the Philistines to kill each
other 1 Sam 14:20 1,000
67 The Amalekite genocide 1 Sam 15:2-3 10,000
68 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the
Lord 1 Sam 15:32-33 1 1
69 In the valley of Elah: Goliath 1 Sam 17:51 , 2
Sam 21:19 1 1
70 David buys a wife with 200 Philistine
foreskins 1 Sam 18:27 200 200
71 The Lord said to David, Go and smite
the Philistines 1 Sam 23:2-5 10,000
72 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife
and other stuff) 1 Sam 25:38 1 1
73 David commits random acts of genocide
for the Philistines 1 Sam 27:8-11 60,000
74 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1 Sam 30:17 1,000
75
God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers
(because Saul didn't kill all the
Amalekites)
1 Sam 31:2 , 2
Chr 10:6 4 100
76 David kills the messenger 2 Sam 1:15 1 1
77 David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab
and Baanah 2 Sam 4:12 2 2
78 God helps David smite the Philistines
from the front and the rear 2 Sam 5:19-25 2,000
79 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the
ark from falling
2 Sam 6:6-7 , 1
Chr 13:9-10 1 1
80 David killed two-thirds of the Moabite
POWs and enslaved the rest 2 Sam 8:2 667
81 And the Lord gave David victory
wherever he went 2 Sam 8 - 10 65,850 66,850
82 David killed every male in Edom
2 Sam 8:13-14 , 1
Kg 11:15-16 , 1
Chr 18:12 , Ps
60:1
15,000 25,000
83 Thus did David do to all the children of
Ammon
2 Sam 11:1 , 1
Chr 20:1 1,000
84 God slowly kills a baby 2 Sam 12:14-18 1 1
85 Seven sons of Saul are hung up before
the Lord 2 Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
86 David's mighty men and their amazing
killings
2 Sam 23 , 1 Chr
11 1,403 3,400
87
God killed 70,000 because of David had
a census that God (or Satan) told him to
do
2 Sam 24:15 , 1
Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
88 Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per
David's deathbed wish) 1 Kg 2:29-46 2 2
89 A tale of two prophets 1 Kg 13:11-24 1 1
90 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1 Kg 14:17 1 1
91 Jeroboam's family 1 Kg 15:29 10
92 Baasha's family and friends 1 Kg 16:11-12 20
93 Zimri burns to death 1 Kg 16:18-19 1 1
94 The drought of Elijah
1 Kg 17:1 , Luke
4:25 , James
5:17-18
3,000
95 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a
prayer contest 1 Kg 18:22-40 450 450
96 The first God-assisted slaughter of the
Syrians 1 Kg 20:20-21 10,000
97 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling
him a god of the hills 1 Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
98 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a
wall fall on them 1 Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
99 God sent a lion to kill a man for not
smiting a prophet 1 Kg 20:35-36 1 1
100 God killed Ahab for not killing a captured
king 1 Kg 20:42 , 22:35 1 1
101 God burned 102 men to death for asking
Elijah to come down from his hill 2 Kg 1:10-12 102 102
102 God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong
God
2 Kg 1:16-17 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 1 1
103 God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making
fun of a prophet's bald head 2 Kg 2:23-24 42 42
104 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2 Kg 3:18-25 5,000
105 A skeptic is trampled to death 2 Kg 7:2-20 1 1
106 God's seven year famine 2 Kg 8:1 7,000
107 Jehoram of Israel 2 Kg 9:24 1 1
108 Jezebel 2 Kg 9:33-37 1 1
109 Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets 2 Kg 10:6-10 70 70
110 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and
priests 2 Kg 10:11 20
111 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2 Kg 10:12-13 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 42 42
112 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of
Ahab's family 2 Kg 10:17 20
113 Jehu assembled the followers of Baal
and then slaughtered them all 2 Kg 10:18-25 1,000
114 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen
Athaliah 2 Kg 11:17-20 2 2
115 God sent lions to eat those who didn't
fear him enough 2 Kg 17:25-26 10
116 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2 Kg 19:34 , 37:36 185,000 185,000
117 God caused King Sennacherib to be
killed by his sons
2 Kg 19:37 , Tobit
1:21 1 1
118 Josiah killed all the priests of the high
places 2 Kg 23:20 100
119 Just another holy war 1 Chr 5:18-22 50,000
120 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2 Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
121 Jeroboam 2 Chr 13:20 1 1
122 God killed a million Ethiopians 2 Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
123 Friendly fire: God forced "a great
multitude" to kill each other 2 Chr 20:22-25 30,000
124 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2 Chr 21:14-19 1 1
125 God killed Jehoram's sons 2 Chr 22:1 3
126 Ahaziah of Judah 2 Chr 22:7-8 1 1
127 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2 Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
128 God destroyed Amaziah 2 Chr 25:15-27 1 1,000
129 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2 Chr 28:1-5 1 10,000
130 God killed 120,000 valiant men for
forsaking him 2 Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
131 The fall of Jerusalem 2 Chr 36:16-17 10,000
132 The Purim killings: God hath done these
things Esther 2 - 9 , 10:4 75,813 75,813
133 God and Satan kill Job's children and
slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
134 Hananiah Jer 28:15-16 1 1
135 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
136 Oh! Susanna Dan 13:6-62 2 2
137 Judith is blessed above all women (for
cutting off a sleeping man's head) Judith 13:6-10 1 1
138 The Judith massacre: hang ye up this
head upon our walls Judith 15:1-6 1,000
139 Mathathias's double murder 1 Mac 2:24-25 2 2
140 Mathathias and his friends slay the
wicked sinners 1 Mac 2:44 100
141 God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious
wretch 2 Mac 4:38 1 1
142 A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the
sacrilegious fellow 2 Mac 4:42 1 1
143 God helped Judas Machabeus destroy
the wicked
1 Mac 3:1-26 , 2
Mac 8:5-6 800 4,900
144 Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of
Gorgias's soldiers 1 Mac 3:44-4:24 3,000 3,000
145 The Hanukkah killings 1 Mac 4:34 - 5:7 5,000 17,000
146 The Machabees brothers slaughter the
heathens 1 Mac 5:21-51 11,000 37,000
147
Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their
helper, they slew above nine thousand
men
1 Mac 7:32-47 , 2
Mac 8:24 , 15:27 147,002 147,002
148 Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked
out of Israel
1 Mac 9:46-49 ,
2 Mac 8:30-33 ,
10:61
1,000 1,200
149 Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and
fireballs at the enemy
2 Mac
8:32 - 10:38 21,103 21,400
150 God killed Antiochus with an incurable
bowel disease 2 Mac 9:5-28 1 1
151 Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two
towers 2 Mac 10:16-17 40,000 40,100
152 Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the
help of God
1 Mac 7:33-48 , 2
Mac 15:1-35 35,000 35,000
153 Aliens at Cades 1 Mac 11:74 3,000 3,000
154 John burns to death 2000 in the tower
of Azotus 1 Mac 16:10 2,000 2,000
155 God sent wasps to slowly destroy people Wisdom 12:8-9 1,000
156 Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:5-10 2 2
157 Herod Aggripa Acts 12:23 1 1
158 Jesus Rom 8:32 , 1 Pet
1:1820

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by kingxsamz(m): 12:34pm On Jun 01, 2020
Benbisco:


This list of incidences of death and destruction in large numbers recorded in history can be better understood when we find out the reasons for their deaths.

The first for example, sin had multiplied on the earth greatly and God was not happy with it. He sent several warnings through Noah but the people did not listen. He even told them of the coming destruction and offered room in the ark but they still refused. If after such warnings punishment is meted out, then it is justified.

Even as humans, when we set boundaries, especially for subordinates, and they over step those boundaries, we most likely would warn and give room for change. When the expected change does not take place, I believe the next step would be punishment, which would be aimed at serving as a deterrent to others.

To the best of my knowledge, I do not think God is so callous as to want to see or watch people suffer or just punish for no justifiable reason.

Your god killed innocent women and children for the sins of their fathers, YES OR NO.

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Re: Is God The Cause Of Our Suffering by Andy15(m): 12:28pm On Jun 02, 2020
kingxsamz:


Was he being kind when he killed all these people? undecided

Killing Event Reference Bible's
Number Estimate


1 The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 20,000,000
2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 While they were sore, Dinah's brethren
slew all the males
Gen 34:1-31 ,
Judith 9:2-3 2 1,000
6 Er for being wicked in the sight of the
Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
7 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
8 A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000
9 There will be blood: The first plague of
Egypt
Ex 7:15-27 , Wis
11:7-8 10,000
10 The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000
11 Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,000
12 The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
13 Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000
14 Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing
friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
15 Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000
16 God burns Aaron's sons to death for
offering "strange fire" Lev 10:1-3 2 2
17 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
18 When the people complained, God
burned them to death Num 11:1 100
19
While the flesh was still between their
teeth, the Lord smote them will a very
great plague
Num 11:33 10,000
20 Ten scouts are killed for their honest
report Num 14:35-45 10 110
21 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath
day is stoned to death Num 15:32-35 1 1
22 Korah, his companions, and their
families are buried alive Num 16:27 3 9
23 God burns 250 people to death for
burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
24 God kills 14,700 for complaining about
God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
25 The massacre of the Aradies Num 21:1-2 3,000
26
God sent serpents to bite people for
complaining about the lack of food and
water
Num 21:6 100
27 Phineas's double murder: A killing to end
God's killing Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
28 The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved
all the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
29 God slowly killed the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 500,000
30 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 5,000
31 God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his
people can be killed Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
32 Og and all the men women, and children
in 60 cities Dt 3:6 1 60,000
33 The Jericho massacre Jos 6:21 1,000
34 Achan and his family Jos 7:10-26 1 5
35 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
36 God stops the sun so Joshua can get his
killing done in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 5,000
37 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
38 Joshua utterly destroyed all that
breathed as the Lord commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
39 The genocide of twenty cities: There
was not any left to breathe Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
40 The Anakim: some more giant killing Jos 11:20-21 5,000
41 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and
Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
42 The Jerusalem massacre Jg 1:8 1,000
43 Five massacres, a wedding, and God-
proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 5,000
44 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
45 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
46 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
47 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox
goad Jg 3:31 600 600
48 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 1,000
49 Jael pounds a tent stake through a
sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
50 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's
sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
51 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to
death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-27 1,001 2,000
52 The Ammonite massacre Jg 11:32-33 20,000
53 Jephthah's daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
54 42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth"
test Jg 12:4-7 42,000 42,000
55 Samson murdered 30 men for their
clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
56 Samson killed 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
57 Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist
attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
58
A holy civil war (it had something to do
with rotting concubine body part
messages)
Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
59 The end of Judges: two genocides and
200 stolen virgins Jg 21:10-14 4,000
60 God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite
soldiers 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11 34,002 34,002
61 God smote them with hemorrhoids in
their secret parts 1 Sam 5:1-12 3,000
62 50,070 killed for looking into the ark of
the Lord 1 Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
63 The Lord thundered a great thunder
upon the Philistines 1 Sam 7:10-11 1,000
64
Another Ammonite massacre
(and another God-inspired body part
message)
1 Sam 11:6-13 1,000
65 Jonathan's first slaughter 1 Sam 14:12-14 20 20
66 God forces the Philistines to kill each
other 1 Sam 14:20 1,000
67 The Amalekite genocide 1 Sam 15:2-3 10,000
68 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the
Lord 1 Sam 15:32-33 1 1
69 In the valley of Elah: Goliath 1 Sam 17:51 , 2
Sam 21:19 1 1
70 David buys a wife with 200 Philistine
foreskins 1 Sam 18:27 200 200
71 The Lord said to David, Go and smite
the Philistines 1 Sam 23:2-5 10,000
72 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife
and other stuff) 1 Sam 25:38 1 1
73 David commits random acts of genocide
for the Philistines 1 Sam 27:8-11 60,000
74 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1 Sam 30:17 1,000
75
God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers
(because Saul didn't kill all the
Amalekites)
1 Sam 31:2 , 2
Chr 10:6 4 100
76 David kills the messenger 2 Sam 1:15 1 1
77 David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab
and Baanah 2 Sam 4:12 2 2
78 God helps David smite the Philistines
from the front and the rear 2 Sam 5:19-25 2,000
79 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the
ark from falling
2 Sam 6:6-7 , 1
Chr 13:9-10 1 1
80 David killed two-thirds of the Moabite
POWs and enslaved the rest 2 Sam 8:2 667
81 And the Lord gave David victory
wherever he went 2 Sam 8 - 10 65,850 66,850
82 David killed every male in Edom
2 Sam 8:13-14 , 1
Kg 11:15-16 , 1
Chr 18:12 , Ps
60:1
15,000 25,000
83 Thus did David do to all the children of
Ammon
2 Sam 11:1 , 1
Chr 20:1 1,000
84 God slowly kills a baby 2 Sam 12:14-18 1 1
85 Seven sons of Saul are hung up before
the Lord 2 Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
86 David's mighty men and their amazing
killings
2 Sam 23 , 1 Chr
11 1,403 3,400
87
God killed 70,000 because of David had
a census that God (or Satan) told him to
do
2 Sam 24:15 , 1
Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
88 Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per
David's deathbed wish) 1 Kg 2:29-46 2 2
89 A tale of two prophets 1 Kg 13:11-24 1 1
90 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1 Kg 14:17 1 1
91 Jeroboam's family 1 Kg 15:29 10
92 Baasha's family and friends 1 Kg 16:11-12 20
93 Zimri burns to death 1 Kg 16:18-19 1 1
94 The drought of Elijah
1 Kg 17:1 , Luke
4:25 , James
5:17-18
3,000
95 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a
prayer contest 1 Kg 18:22-40 450 450
96 The first God-assisted slaughter of the
Syrians 1 Kg 20:20-21 10,000
97 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling
him a god of the hills 1 Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
98 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a
wall fall on them 1 Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
99 God sent a lion to kill a man for not
smiting a prophet 1 Kg 20:35-36 1 1
100 God killed Ahab for not killing a captured
king 1 Kg 20:42 , 22:35 1 1
101 God burned 102 men to death for asking
Elijah to come down from his hill 2 Kg 1:10-12 102 102
102 God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong
God
2 Kg 1:16-17 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 1 1
103 God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making
fun of a prophet's bald head 2 Kg 2:23-24 42 42
104 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2 Kg 3:18-25 5,000
105 A skeptic is trampled to death 2 Kg 7:2-20 1 1
106 God's seven year famine 2 Kg 8:1 7,000
107 Jehoram of Israel 2 Kg 9:24 1 1
108 Jezebel 2 Kg 9:33-37 1 1
109 Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets 2 Kg 10:6-10 70 70
110 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and
priests 2 Kg 10:11 20
111 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2 Kg 10:12-13 , 2
Chr 22:7-9 42 42
112 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of
Ahab's family 2 Kg 10:17 20
113 Jehu assembled the followers of Baal
and then slaughtered them all 2 Kg 10:18-25 1,000
114 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen
Athaliah 2 Kg 11:17-20 2 2
115 God sent lions to eat those who didn't
fear him enough 2 Kg 17:25-26 10
116 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2 Kg 19:34 , 37:36 185,000 185,000
117 God caused King Sennacherib to be
killed by his sons
2 Kg 19:37 , Tobit
1:21 1 1
118 Josiah killed all the priests of the high
places 2 Kg 23:20 100
119 Just another holy war 1 Chr 5:18-22 50,000
120 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2 Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
121 Jeroboam 2 Chr 13:20 1 1
122 God killed a million Ethiopians 2 Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
123 Friendly fire: God forced "a great
multitude" to kill each other 2 Chr 20:22-25 30,000
124 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2 Chr 21:14-19 1 1
125 God killed Jehoram's sons 2 Chr 22:1 3
126 Ahaziah of Judah 2 Chr 22:7-8 1 1
127 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2 Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
128 God destroyed Amaziah 2 Chr 25:15-27 1 1,000
129 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2 Chr 28:1-5 1 10,000
130 God killed 120,000 valiant men for
forsaking him 2 Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
131 The fall of Jerusalem 2 Chr 36:16-17 10,000
132 The Purim killings: God hath done these
things Esther 2 - 9 , 10:4 75,813 75,813
133 God and Satan kill Job's children and
slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
134 Hananiah Jer 28:15-16 1 1
135 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
136 Oh! Susanna Dan 13:6-62 2 2
137 Judith is blessed above all women (for
cutting off a sleeping man's head) Judith 13:6-10 1 1
138 The Judith massacre: hang ye up this
head upon our walls Judith 15:1-6 1,000
139 Mathathias's double murder 1 Mac 2:24-25 2 2
140 Mathathias and his friends slay the
wicked sinners 1 Mac 2:44 100
141 God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious
wretch 2 Mac 4:38 1 1
142 A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the
sacrilegious fellow 2 Mac 4:42 1 1
143 God helped Judas Machabeus destroy
the wicked
1 Mac 3:1-26 , 2
Mac 8:5-6 800 4,900
144 Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of
Gorgias's soldiers 1 Mac 3:44-4:24 3,000 3,000
145 The Hanukkah killings 1 Mac 4:34 - 5:7 5,000 17,000
146 The Machabees brothers slaughter the
heathens 1 Mac 5:21-51 11,000 37,000
147
Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their
helper, they slew above nine thousand
men
1 Mac 7:32-47 , 2
Mac 8:24 , 15:27 147,002 147,002
148 Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked
out of Israel
1 Mac 9:46-49 ,
2 Mac 8:30-33 ,
10:61
1,000 1,200
149 Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and
fireballs at the enemy
2 Mac
8:32 - 10:38 21,103 21,400
150 God killed Antiochus with an incurable
bowel disease 2 Mac 9:5-28 1 1
151 Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two
towers 2 Mac 10:16-17 40,000 40,100
152 Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the
help of God
1 Mac 7:33-48 , 2
Mac 15:1-35 35,000 35,000
153 Aliens at Cades 1 Mac 11:74 3,000 3,000
154 John burns to death 2000 in the tower
of Azotus 1 Mac 16:10 2,000 2,000
155 God sent wasps to slowly destroy people Wisdom 12:8-9 1,000
156 Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:5-10 2 2
157 Herod Aggripa Acts 12:23 1 1
158 Jesus Rom 8:32 , 1 Pet
1:1820
maybe you are misinformed but some of the things you have written conrtain apocryphal such as the book of mac which was never in the original bibles and so contain things that were never done by God however there are some things you wrote that are true and God did kill these people but he always did this to aproper degree and most of them deserved it because of the wicked they had done and if you notice he probably gave most of them time to repent before taking action

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