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omonnakoda:
Who were those people he dismantled

If you are looking for a dismantler look no further than George Foreman l

Look at what he did to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney


Yes I mention Joe Louis regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight champion ever and by others as second to Ali

Check his record

Longevity is important in these sorts of generational comparison

Can you name Joe Louis top 10 fights? You'll be surprised most of those guys were weaker than Andy Ruiz. My point remains, you can't claim Tyson fought nobody or weak opponents and then use Joe Louis as your alternative, that just defeats your argument.

Judolisco:
the question u should be asking was who did he fight with in those five years the only big name was Spinks and one other guy I can't remember his name... Nobody asked him not to train vs Douglas

why dont you tell us instead who were the better fighters (at the time) that Tyson DIDNT fight...? better yet, did he win the WBC/WBA and IBF title to nobodys?!?!?! abeg, make some little sense!

omonnakoda:
You talk a lot of crap

After losing to Douglas
Tyson fought twice in 1990.

The simple truth is mentally Tyson was weak, he was a quitter when he came up against good fighters

Yea I'll give you that, mentally he was weak and allowed himself to be controlled but Spinks and Holmes were not weak compeitors, if you can praise Forman for defeating Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, why disregard Tyson for defeating Spinks? Like I said earlier you're defeating your own argument.

abbey621:
Can you name Joe Louis top 10 fights? You'll be surprised most of those guys were weaker than Andy Ruiz. My point remains, you can't claim Tyson fought nobody or weak opponents and then use Joe Louis as your alternative, that just defeats your argument.

Your tactic now that your earlier rubbish has been discredited is to switch topic and latch on to Joe Louis

Actually I can name his opponents .

I don't think anyone would say that Ring Magazine don't know what they are talking about when they list him as the second greatest Heavyweight ever.

Anyway don't change the subject to Joe Louis.
Just calm down next time and stop making assertions about things you know nothing about

MrBrownJay1:
why dont you tell us instead who were the better fighters (at the time) that Tyson DIDNT fight...? better yet, did he win the WBC/WBA and IBF title to nobodys?!?!?! abeg, make some little sense!

he avoided holyfield and the fight later happened... I mentioned Michael Spinks

abbey621:
Yea I'll give you that, mentally he was weak and allowed himself to be controlled but Spinks and Holmes were not weak compeitors, if you can praise Forman for defeating Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, why disregard Tyson for defeating Spinks? Like I said earlier you're defeating your own argument.

Spinks did not distinguish himself as a Heavyweight he was essentially a light heavyweight.
Ken Norton defeated Ali and Cooney was a well regarded fighter but those are not the only people I mentioned so you are being dishonest
Joe Fraxier was a Hall of Famer. Foreman made him look like a chump TWICE.

At the time Foreman beat Cooney he was in his 40s
He also knocked out Moorer in his Forties to become oldest champion in history

Holmes was a greater fighter than Tyson with a more stellar career but when they met Holmes was finished.

omonnakoda:
Spinks did not distinguish himself as a Heavyweight he was essentially a light heavyweight.
Ken Norton defeated Ali and Cooney was a well regarded fighter but those are not the only people I mentioned so you are being dishonest
Joe Fraxier was a Hall of Famer. Foreman made him look like a chump TWICE.

At the time Foreman beat Cooney he was in his 40s
He also knocked out Moorer in his Forties to become oldest champion in history

Holmes was a greater fighter than Tyson with a more stellar career but when they met Holmes was finished.

You were the one that brought up Joe Louis, I only exposed your tactics against you, you can't say a fighter was not great just because you don't respect the fighters he or she fought against. Whether it is Foreman or Frazier, none of these fighters compared to Tyson in his prime, we can disagree to agree. Moving on, Spinks a light heavyweight? . When I called Holyfield a cursierweight you claimed he was an heavyweight, dude I'm done, you're basically full of shit. It's like we are playing by your own made up rules now and quite frankly it's draining my energy.....Shalom!

Judolisco:
he avoided holyfield and the fight later happened... I mentioned Michael Spinks

"avoided" holyfield that wasnt even a heavyweight until 1988...lol you are a comedian!!!

bro, Michael Spinks had NO BELT when he fought Tyson (nor did Holyfield back then), and the job of a boxer is to get all belts available, to be called the greatest... so Tyson fought whoever was number one contender to A) get the title belts and B) retain the belt....THATS HOW YOU KNOW WHO THE GREATEST IS. you certainly cant be called the greatest while someone else holds the belt (in your same weight division).

so again, who were the guys (that supposedly were nobodys) that Tyson won WBC title, WBA title and IBF title to?!?!?!?!? do they give these belts to nobodys? do they win these belts from nobodys?

now ask yourself this simple question:
- was Mayweather ever an UNIFIED UNDEFEATED CHAMP (aka hold all the belts in his weight division at the same time) to be called the greatest?

it is an insult to call anyone the "greatest" while some other dude holds the title and you are scared to fight them to unify all the belts, in order to be called the UNDISPUTED champ!

abbey621:
You were the one that brought up Joe Louis, I only exposed your tactics against you, you can't say a fighter was not great just because you don't respect the fighters he or she fought against. Whether it is Foreman or Frazier, none of these fighters compared to Tyson in his prime, we can disagree to agree. Moving on, Spinks a light heavyweight? . When I called Holyfield a cursierweight you claimed he was an heavyweight, dude I'm done, you're basically full of shit. It's like we are playing by your own made up rules now and quite frankly it's draining my energy.....Shalom!

Tyson is not ranked alltime top by any of those who know about boxing that speaks volumes
The Ring Magazine is the most authoritative publication and lists Joe Louis as second only to,Ali so he should be mentioned. Also his record of the MOST TITLE DEFENCES still stands so he cannot be ignored

You keep shifting the goalposts and have told a number of falsehoods here.

When exactly was this "Prime" ?

The fact is those Heavyweights of a similar age to him like Lewis destroyed him
His prime was marked by beating has beens like Holmes, long past their own prime, Bonecrusher Smith ,Trevor Berbick
Did he beat anyone that went on to achieve anything significant afterwards during this so called prime?
Who was his biggest scalp?

ValCon888:
Any list where Cassius Clay a.k.a Muhammad Ali isn't the no.1 boxer of all time is a useless list.

I'm shocked beyond belief the list doesn't include Joe Frazier.

The Baddest Man on the Planet, the only boxer who throws punches in bunches, and the youngest heavy weight champion of all time Iron Mike Tyson is not even in the top 10.

The clowns that compiled this list are high on angel dust.

Not to mention Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano.

uniqueman:
Not to mention Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano.

or Roy Jones Jnr,Joe Calzaghe

omonnakoda:
Tyson is not ranked alltime top by any of those who know about boxing that speaks volumes
The Ring Magazine is the most authoritative publication and lists Joe Louis as second only to,Ali so he should be mentioned. Also his record of the MOST TITLE DEFENCES still stands so he cannot be ignored

You keep shifting the goalposts and have told a number of falsehoods here.

When exactly was this "Prime" ?

The fact is those Heavyweights of a similar age to him like Lewis destroyed him
His prime was marked by beating has beens like Holmes, long past their own prime, Bonecrusher Smith ,Trevor Berbick
Did he beat anyone that went on to achieve anything significant afterwards during this so called prime?
Who was his biggest scalp?

Top is subjective, he is top 3 in my books but for you he might not make top 100. My point reemains in his prime he was not a boxer but a dismantler, he was a killer! Every other thing you argue about is subjective and I can't fault you for that, like I said earlier I'm not wasting anymore energy on you!

abbey621:
Top is subjective, he is top 3 in my books but for you he might not make top 100. My point reemains in his prime he was not a boxer but a dismantler, he was a killer! Every other thing you argue about is subjective and I can't fault you for that, like I said earlier I'm not wasting anymore energy on you!

bro, some people dont understand the word THE GREATEST... imho, someone who never held all the belt in his weight division, can NEVER be called the greatest.... i mean winning the belt in a boxing ring, not like some who were given belts because the champ vacated or didnt want to fight (like Lennox Lewis etc)

many boxing greats look down on Tyson's legacy because of his antics and how low he brought the sport...

MrBrownJay1:
"avoided" holyfield that wasnt even a heavyweight until 1988...lol you are a comedian!!!

bro, Michael Spinks had NO BELT when he fought Tyson (nor did Holyfield back then), and the job of a boxer is to get all belts available, to be called the greatest... so Tyson fought whoever was number one contender to A) get the title belts and B) retain the belt....THATS HOW YOU KNOW WHO THE GREATEST IS. you certainly cant be called the greatest while someone else holds the belt (in your same weight division).

so again, who were the guys (that supposedly were nobodys) that Tyson won WBC title, WBA title and IBF title to?!?!?!?!? do they give these belts to nobodys? do they win these belts from nobodys?

now ask yourself this simple question:
- was Mayweather ever an UNIFIED UNDEFEATED CHAMP (aka hold all the belts in his weight division at the same time) to be called the greatest?

it is an insult to call anyone the "greatest" while some other dude holds the title and you are scared to fight them to unify all the belts, in order to be called the UNDISPUTED champ!

don't bother replying bro it's enough

abbey621:
Top is subjective, he is top 3 in my books but for you he might not make top 100. My point reemains in his prime he was not a boxer but a dismantler, he was a killer! Every other thing you argue about is subjective and I can't fault you for that, like I said earlier I'm not wasting anymore energy on you!

Good morning

My bad.

I thought there was a machine used to determine the best

Question once again in his prime what was his BIGGEST SCALP THAT WAS ALSO IN THEIR PRIME.

Just one name?

Most of the greats lost fights but they tended to come back and avenge their losses

Who are the people that he killed or dismantled? Who?
Hasbeens or journeymen

Judolisco:
don't bother replying bro it's enough

by all means, let me EDUCATE YOU on the subject (before you run along):
- Tony Tucker was undefeated in 34 matches before he lost to Tyson for the IBF title!
- Tony Tubbs had only lost once in 25 matches, before he lost to Tyson.
- Larry Holmes had a 48-0 record before he lost to Spinks AND thereafter Tyson
- Pinklon had only lost once in 29 matches before he lost to Tyson
- Marvis Frazier AND Mitch Green had a 16-1 record when they lost to Tyson
- even Frank Bruno had a 32-2 record before he lost to Tyson

now give me the name of ANY fighter out there who was undefeated during Tyson reign... he fought them all! Holyfield was a cruiserweight champ, and only had 4 heavyweight fights under his belt when Tyson met Buster Douglas... no wonder he didnt fight Tyson then. as for Spinks, tyson didnt beat him, he ENDED HIS CAREER

OyinO:
Emotional Nigerian youths always place sentiments above statistical facts and research based findings. We are talking facts. The list is accurate!

I feel sad i had to go through so many baseless comments to finally arrive at a comment with facts. Even the so-called boxing enthusiasts who are supposed to know better were all carried away.

BTW, I'm not a big fan of Money-May, but statistics don't lie. Dude was not fighting untrained boxers in one village, he was fighting real professionals for 23 years. 50 of those professional fights; he beat them all the time.

Bro, even if he was fighting some local women for 50 times, one person for mistakenly beat am.

No be FLUKE

robosky02:
June 3, 2016
DID YOU KNOW?
Muhammad Ali's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is the only star that is not located on the sidewalk


WHO WAS MUHAMMAD ALI?
EARLY LIFE


Muhammad Ali was a heavyweight boxing champion with an impressive 56-win record. He was also known for his brave public stance against the Vietnam War.
Who Was Muhammad Ali was a boxer, philanthropist and social activist who is universally regarded as one of the greatest athletes of the 20th century. Ali became an Olympic gold medalist in 1960 and the world heavyweight boxing champion in 1964.

Following his suspension for refusing military service, Ali reclaimed the heavyweight title two more times during the 1970s, winning famed bouts against Joe Frazier and George Foreman along the way. Diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 1984, Ali devoted much of his time to philanthropy, earning the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2005.

Early Life
Ali was born on January 17, 1942, in Louisville, Kentucky. His birth name was Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.

At an early age, young Clay showed that he wasn't afraid of any bout — inside or outside of the ring. Growing up in the segregated South, he experienced racial prejudice and discrimination firsthand.

At the age of 12, Clay discovered his talent for boxing through an odd twist of fate. After his bike was stolen, Clay told a police officer, Joe Martin, that he wanted to beat up the thief.

"Well, you better learn how to fight before you start challenging people," Martin reportedly told him at the time. In addition to being a police officer, Martin also trained young boxers at a local gym.

Clay started working with Martin to learn how to spar and soon began his boxing career. In his first amateur bout in 1954, he won the fight by split decision.

Clay went on to win the 1956 Golden Gloves tournament for novices in the light heavyweight class. Three years later, he won the National Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, as well as the Amateur Athletic Union's national title for the light heavyweight division.

Muhammad Ali's Life in Photo


In 1960, Clay won a spot on the U.S. Olympic boxing team, and traveled to Rome, Italy, to compete. At six feet, three inches tall, Clay was an imposing figure in the ring, but he also became known for his lightning speed and fancy footwork. After winning his first three bouts, Clay defeated Zbigniew Pietrzkowski of Poland to win the light heavyweight Olympic gold medal.

After his Olympic victory, Clay was heralded as an American hero. He soon turned professional with the backing of the Louisville Sponsoring Group and continued overwhelming all opponents in the ring.

Conversion to Islam
Clay joined the black Muslim group Nation of Islam in 1964. At first, he called himself Cassius X before settling on the name Muhammad Ali. The boxer eventually converted to orthodox Islam during the 1970s.

Vietnam and Supreme Court Case
Ali started a different kind of fight with his outspoken views against the Vietnam War.

Drafted into the military in April 1967, he refused to serve on the grounds that he was a practicing Muslim minister with religious beliefs that prevented him from fighting. He was arrested for committing a felony and almost immediately stripped of his world title and boxing license.

The U.S. Department of Justice pursued a legal case against Ali, denying his claim for conscientious objector status. He was found guilty of violating Selective Service laws and sentenced to five years in prison in June 1967 but remained free while appealing his conviction.

Unable to compete professionally in the meantime, Ali missed more than three prime years of his athletic career. Ali returned to the ring in 1970 with a win over Jerry Quarry, and the U.S. Supreme Court eventually overturned the conviction in June 1971.

Muhammad Ali: Record
Ali had a career record of 56 wins, five losses and 37 knockouts before his retirement from boxing in 1981 at the age of 39.

PHOTOS: Muhammad Ali's Best Fight Moments

Fights
Often referring to himself as "The Greatest," Ali was not afraid to sing his own praises. He was known for boasting about his skills before a fight and for his colorful descriptions and phrases.

In one of his more famously quoted descriptions, Ali told reporters that he could "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" in the boxing ring. A few of his more well-known matches include the following:

Sonny Liston
After winning gold at the 1960 Olympics, Ali took out British heavyweight champion Henry Cooper in 1963. He then knocked out Sonny Liston in 1964 to become the heavyweight champion of the world.

Joe Frazier
In 1971, Ali took on Joe Frazier in what has been called the "Fight of the Century." Frazier and Ali went toe-to-toe for 14 rounds before Frazier dropped Ali with a vicious left hook in the 15th. Ali recovered quickly, but the judges awarded the decision to Frazier, handing Ali his first professional loss after 31 wins.

After suffering a loss to Ken Norton, Ali beat Frazier in a 1974 rematch.

In 1975, Ali and Frazier locked horns again for their grudge match in Quezon City, Philippines. Dubbed the "Thrilla in Manila," the bout nearly went the distance, with both men delivering and absorbing tremendous punishment. However, Frazier's trainer threw in the towel after the 14th round, giving the hard-fought victory to Ali.

George Foreman
Another legendary Ali fight took place in 1974 against undefeated heavyweight champion George Foreman. Billed as the "Rumble in the Jungle," the bout was organized by promoter Don King and held in Kinshasa, Zaire.

For once, Ali was seen as the underdog to the younger, massive Foreman, but he silenced his critics with a masterful performance. He baited Foreman into throwing wild punches with his "rope-a-dope" technique, before stunning his opponent with an eighth-round knockout to reclaim the heavyweight title.

Leon Spinks
After losing his title to Leon Spinks in February 1978, Ali defeated him in a September 1978 rematch, becoming the first boxer to win the heavyweight championship three times.

Larry Holmes
Following a brief retirement, Ali returned to the ring to face Larry Holmes in 1980 but was overmatched against the younger champion.

Following one final loss in 1981, to Trevor Berbick, the boxing great retired from the sport at age 39.

Spouse and Children
Ali was married four times and had nine children, including two children he fathered outside of marriage.

Ali married his first wife, Sonji Roi, in 1964; they divorced after one year when she refused to adopt the Nation of Islam dress and customs.

Ali married his second wife, 17-year-old Belinda Boyd, in 1967. Boyd and Ali had four children together: Maryum, born in 1969; Jamillah and Liban, both born in 1970; and Muhammad Ali Jr.; born in 1972. Boyd and Ali divorced in 1976.

At the same time Ali was married to Boyd, he traveled openly with Veronica Porche, who became his third wife in 1977. The pair had two daughters together, including Laila Ali, who followed in Ali’s footsteps by becoming a champion boxer. Porche and Ali divorced in 1986.


Ali married his fourth and final wife Yolanda ("Lonnie" in 1986. The pair had known each other since Lonnie was just six and Ali was 21; their mothers were best friends and raised their families on the same street. Ali and Lonnie couple remained married until his death and had one son together, Asaa



Muhammad Ali Fact Card
Parkinson's Diagnosis
In 1984, Ali announced that he had Parkinson's disease, a degenerative neurological condition.

Despite the progression of Parkinson's and the onset of spinal stenosis, he remained active in public life. Ali raised funds for the Muhammad Ali Parkinson Center in Phoenix, Arizona. And he was on hand to celebrate the inauguration of the first African American president in January 2009, when Barack Obama was sworn into office.

A few years before his death, Ali underwent surgery for spinal stenosis, a condition causing the narrowing of the spine, which limited his mobility and ability to communicate.

Philanthropy
In his retirement, Ali devoted much of his time to philanthropy. Over the years, Ali supported the Special Olympics and the Make-A-Wish Foundation, among other organizations. In 1996, he lit the Olympic cauldron at the Summer Olympic Games in Atlanta, an emotional moment in sports history.

Ali traveled to numerous countries, including Mexico and Morocco, to help out those in need. In 1998, he was chosen to be a United Nations Messenger of Peace because of his work in developing nations.

Awards
In 2005, Ali received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President George W. Bush.

Soon after Obama’s 2009 inauguration, Ali received the President's Award from the NAACP for his public service efforts.

Muhammad Ali Center
Ali opened the Muhammad Ali Center in his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky, in 2005.

"I am an ordinary man who worked hard to develop the talent I was given," he said. "Many fans wanted to build a museum to acknowledge my achievements. I wanted more than a building to house my memorabilia. I wanted a place that would inspire people to be the best that they could be at whatever they chose to do, and to encourage them to be respectful of one another."

Movie
Actor Will Smith played Ali in the biopic film Ali, released in 2001.

Muhammad Ali at the 1996 Olympic Games
Muhammad Ali holds the torch before lighting the Olympic Flame during the opening ceremony of the Centennial Olympic Games in Atlanta, Georgia on July 19, 1996. (Photo: Michael Cooper/Getty Images)


Death
Ali died on June 3, 2016, in Phoenix, Arizona, after being hospitalized for what was reportedly a respiratory issue. He was 74 years old.

The boxing legend had been suffering from Parkinson’s disease and spinal stenosis. In early 2015, the athlete battled pneumonia and was hospitalized for a severe urinary tract infection.

Funeral and Memorial Service
Years before his passing, Ali had planned his own memorial services, saying he wanted to be “inclusive of everyone, where we give as many people an opportunity that want to pay their respects to me,” according to a family spokesman.

The three-day event, which took place in Ali’s hometown of Louisville, Kentucky, included an “I Am Ali” festival of public arts, entertainment and educational offerings sponsored by the city, an Islamic prayer program and a memorial service.

Prior to the memorial service, a funeral procession traveled 20 miles through Louisville, past Ali’s childhood home, his high school, the first boxing gym where he trained and along Ali Boulevard as tens of thousands of fans tossed flowers on his hearse and cheered his name.

The champ’s memorial service was held at the KFC Yum Center arena with close to 20,000 people in attendance. Speakers included religious leaders from various faiths, Attallah Shabazz, Malcolm X’s eldest daughter, broadcaster Bryant Gumbel, former President Bill Clinton, comedian Billy Crystal, Ali’s daughters Maryum and Rasheda and his widow Lonnie.

"Muhammad indicated that when the end came for him, he wanted us to use his life and his death as a teaching moment for young people, for his country and for the world," Lonnie said. "In effect, he wanted us to remind people who are suffering that he had seen the face of injustice. That he grew up during segregation, and that during his early life he was not free to be who he wanted to be. But he never became embittered enough to quit or to engage in violence."

Former President Clinton spoke about how Ali found self-empowerment: "I think he decided, before he could possibly have worked it all out, and before fate and time could work their will on him, he decided he would not ever be disempowered. He decided that not his race nor his place, the expectations of others, positive, negative or otherwise would strip from him the power to write his own story. "

Crystal, who was a struggling comedian when he became friends with Ali, said of the boxing legend: “Ultimately, he became a silent messenger for peace, who taught us that life is best when you build bridges between people, not walls.”

"You have inspired us and the world to be the best version of ourselves,' Rasheda Ali spoke to her father. 'May you live in paradise free from suffering. You shook up the world in life now you're shaking up the world in death. Now you are free to be with your creator. We love you so much Daddy. Until we meet again, fly butterfly, fly."

Pallbearers included Will Smith and former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. Ali was buried at the Cave Hill National Cemetery in Louisville.

Ali's stature as a legend continues to grow even after his death. He is celebrated not only for his remarkable athletic skills but for his willingness to speak his mind and his courage to challenge the status quo.

https://www.biography.com/athlete/muhammad-ali

With all this your copy and paste stories

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You must be joking

robosky02:
https://www.completesports.com/mayweather-jnr-rated-greatest-boxer-of-all-time/

robosky02:
https://www.completesports.com/mayweather-jnr-rated-greatest-boxer-of-all-time/

No offence but pls where's Anthony Joshua??

Patoski7:
where is bash ali

In maiduguri selling kunnu

EVILFOREST:
The only UNDEFEATED.
The only Boxer with the name, " UNDEFEATED " but not the GREATEST.

Marciano, 49nil

lekki1444:
archie moore is the token white guy they put in their so it will not appear that whites are weak but he does not belong in that list

I don't like it when someone gives a obviously uninformed opinion so confidently. Try find out more about Archie Moore abi na yesterday dem born you ?