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MetaPhysical:

You bloody yam farmer. Beside soaking roasted yam in red oil what do you know about palm oil?

Im bringing my cows to destroy your farm tomorrow. Get ready.

Imhotep
Odingo1
GMBuhari

We shall multiply your dowry list.
Take your time.

Cc rekhina

Racoon:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2020/06/nigeria-must-exist-on-basis-of-equality-northern-leaders/amp/

All these Northerner's think d southerners r fools, u say we should live on equal terms yet u contribute nil to d purse.

They presuppose d British lied when they reasoned the north can't survive without southern money.

If the want us to live in equal terms then there should b resource control and let's see how each region will transform in the next 10 years.. And
That is hoping our southern thieves don't abrogate d resources to their personal, family n friends sha

LegendHero:
However during the period of 1900s when it was still Northern and Southern protectorate, the North depended heavily on the South. Infact they are bad investments for the British and the they were supported with huge grant from the imperial treasury.

The Southern protectorate contributed and borrowed them the money for the rail they built there and it was too parasitic on the South. They later had to amalgmate us because the British is tired of running them on loss. After the amalgamation, the revenue account of both region was merged together and there was no need to to pay back the debt owed because we are now together.

So Ango Abdullahi should instead try to find a way of paying back the South the money they owed our ancestors instead of talking anyhow. Ki Ango sanwo gbese ti won je wa ni kiakia!

Britain screwed up on many fronts and it was glaring to see.

1. French wanted to merge its territories in Niger with Northern Nigeria. They practiced same faith, spoke same language and were under same administrative Emirates.

Britain denied them but shortly afterward realized Northern Nigeria was dead weight. At that point could have gifted them to France.

The freak British gifted the useless land to Southern Nigeria instead.

2. Azikiwe was educated but his bestial instincts for domination ruined him and destroyed his people.

These figures and tabular data you produced were available to the regional governments, they werw not hidden. Could the economic leadership in West be the underlying reason Azikiwe wanted Ibo to dominate West and Nigeria by all means?

We can see for instance that under Macaulay NCNC had national representation and was diverse. Under Azikiwe it was Ibonized. Azikiwe also attempted to Ibonize national universities. If he had succeeded in his struggle to be premier in West he would have Ibonized Westrrn rwgion. If he had succeeded in the coup of Jan66 he would have Ibonized the military and civil service. If he had succeeded in the war of 67 he would have Ibonized entire South.

The sole goal of Ibo agenda, whether pushed by Azikiwe or Ironsi or Ojukwu or any Iboman....is to Ibonize a wider political frontier.

As at today they have Ibonized Nigerian markets but they continue to be under developed and deficient. While they have access, they always fail at managing leadership to complete their takeover of any sector...whether economic, political, social or military.

imhotep:
We shall multiply your dowry list.
Take your time.

Cc rekhina

Cc
Rekhinatou Bambino

MetaPhysical:
Britain screwed up on many fronts and it was glaring to see.

1. French wanted to merge its territories in Niger with Northern Nigeria. They practiced same faith, spoke same language and were under same administrative Emirates.

Britain denied them but shortly afterward realized Northern Nigeria was dead weight. At that point could have gifted them to France.

The freak British gifted the useless land to Southern Nigeria instead.

2. Azikiwe was educated but his bestial instincts for domination ruined him and destroyed his people.

These figures and tabular data you produced were available to the regional governments, they werw not hidden. Could the economic leadership in West be the underlying reason Azikiwe wanted Ibo to dominate West and Nigeria by all means?

We can see for instance that under Macaulay NCNC had national representation and was diverse. Under Azikiwe it was Ibonized. Azikiwe also attempted to Ibonize national universities. If he had succeeded in his struggle to be premier in West he would have Ibonized Westrrn rwgion. If he had succeeded in the coup of Jan66 he would have Ibonized the military and civil service. If he had succeeded in the war of 67 he would have Ibonized entire South.

The sole goal of Ibo agenda, whether pushed by Azikiwe or Ironsi or Ojukwu or any Iboman....is to Ibonize a wider political frontier.

As at today they have Ibonized Nigerian markets but they continue to be under developed and deficient. While they have access, they always fail at managing leadership to complete their takeover of any sector...whether economic, political, social or military.

not one single like for you upon how hard you tried to compose this long rubbish

quit bigotry it's not your calling you suck as hell at it

apart from your usual Igbo vs Yoruba fight wats your take on wat the Prof said

I think he is trying to justify the fact that the North are very much behind in terms of development

mrvitalis:
Firstly since 1914 north have always been dependent on the south , two palm oil , rubber and others generated more revenue more revenue than the north ..more than double

Eastern region government funded oil exploration not Nigeria

smart boy i sight ya. The fools never heard of rubber plantation or palm oil, cocoa apart from jos tin nothing absolutely has the north ever contributed. Even today na what are they exporting. Is any southerner mining in Zamfara.. This people should stop the mind game.

nameo:
Where are you getting the things yoi just wrote here?

Plzz be very sure of the sources in your answer before answering me.

There has never been a time the northern refion has generated money more than the south. NEVER.

The northern elites pushing this narrative are not only lying through their teeth but entrenching the already precarious position they currently are in

You guys quoting me are just wasting my time to be honest.

@the bold, what do you mean by South? Do you mean the southern protectorate?

If the above is the southern protectorate, YES the Northern protectorate never generated more income than the south. I stated that in my post clearly.

Now it after the regions are autonomized into Southern, Eastern, and Northern Region. The Northern Region at many time generated more revenue than the Eastern Region.

That is my argument. Go back and read my replies and you will see what I said.

And where is to link to what he is said, is that the right way to quote something?

Etinosa1234:
he gave u his source...The official gazette of the government of then...what's ur own proof...

Na u suppose prove beyond reasonable doubt since Na u dey counter

Urchman200:
stop rolling out useless figures and concocted stories without proof or link, as a known bigots on this forum who do u think will take u serious? Campaign to make Buhari president is over.

Lol!

You guys are so stubborn. Now you are asking me for the link to the gazette that I showed you clearly the pages with such conformity.

Do you even know what the Nigerian Gazette really meant?

So I campaigned for Buhari at some point right? I think you quoted the wrong person!

How did nigeria live equally when the govt want to borrow money to develop every of it rigions and exclud one from benefiting from the loan
and no nigerians fault it as long their own rigion have gotten their own shares nothing is wrong
and a man from fulani is boasting that fulani will rule nigeria forever and no prominen nigeria fault

Urchman200:
how did they help? Where their any time in our history the government took resources of a particular region and share it to the other regions? I don't really know what u mean by helping is it in terms of taxation or what?

This is how it worked. Each region had a marketing board who fixed the prices for the agricultural produce for export. These marketing boards pay export duties to the Federal government and that constitute like 70% of the revenue source for the FG.

Now that means the western region, followed by the Northern Region, followed by the eastern Region contributed to the runnings of the FG.

Although we might not necessarily compare that to the crude oil of the SS today but they can still share some form of comparison. Today, the FG generate revenue through many ways which include crude oil sales, taxes at ports, minings, and etc.

What the FG does is to take all the money from this sources and grant 13% derivative to the source of the commodities. So the SS will collect their normal FAAC which is shared by lot of factors and in addition their 13% derivatives.

For e.g. Lagos will also collect her normal FAAC from the government in addition to a percentage of the VAT accrued from the state by the FG.

I’m not sure if you understand what I’m trying to prove, but I just gave you a snippet.

realestate99:
you don't argue with those slowpokes, they are not worth it, if you have been to the east before, you will understand better.

You are very right!

MetaPhysical:
Britain screwed up on many fronts and it was glaring to see.

1. French wanted to merge its territories in Niger with Northern Nigeria. They practiced same faith, spoke same language and were under same administrative Emirates.

Britain denied them but shortly afterward realized Northern Nigeria was dead weight. At that point could have gifted them to France.

The freak British gifted the useless land to Southern Nigeria instead.

2. Azikiwe was educated but his bestial instincts for domination ruined him and destroyed his people.

These figures and tabular data you produced were available to the regional governments, they werw not hidden. Could the economic leadership in West be the underlying reason Azikiwe wanted Ibo to dominate West and Nigeria by all means?

We can see for instance that under Macaulay NCNC had national representation and was diverse. Under Azikiwe it was Ibonized. Azikiwe also attempted to Ibonize national universities. If he had succeeded in his struggle to be premier in West he would have Ibonized Westrrn rwgion. If he had succeeded in the coup of Jan66 he would have Ibonized the military and civil service. If he had succeeded in the war of 67 he would have Ibonized entire South.

The sole goal of Ibo agenda, whether pushed by Azikiwe or Ironsi or Ojukwu or any Iboman....is to Ibonize a wider political frontier.

As at today they have Ibonized Nigerian markets but they continue to be under developed and deficient. While they have access, they always fail at managing leadership to complete their takeover of any sector...whether economic, political, social or military.

You are very right.

1. I also learnt that the British built the rails linking the North to the South not only for the economic importance but for military purpose too so that they can be able to transport military logistics in the advent of the French attacking them in the North.

The British fumbled, they spoilt everything for the south from the onset. We were just sending money to run the Northern protectorate and they keep supporting them.

2. Yes, Azikwe wanted to rule the Western Region simply because it was prosperous. What he did was akin to betraying Macaulay and killing NCNC in the west by not knowing when to draw a line between politics and ethnicity. I can tell you he is not that intelligent, if I were him I will find a Yoruba that will be my puppet and sponsor him from the background and rule by proxy BUT the Igbo man take actions first without thinking. That was how the Yorubas got conscious of his antics and sent him packing.

He tried making the Ibos dominate tho in Balewa government. He just keeps fixing them in all the government parastatals as the head and even in the normal civil service. You’ll be seeing Ibo, Ibo. Infact the Northerners themselves didn’t have Up to 25% in the civil service because they ain’t educated so their slot was just filled up by Azikwe people.

I have two videos of him of when he left Nigeria on a medical trip abroad before the Coup that killed his colleagues. I also have a video of when he got back to the country after the coup. The Igbos mainly masterminded that coup to take power through the back door and they succeeded.

However that caused many problem for them because the Northerners just use the counter coup to change their destiny forever in Nigeria to fill themselves in the military, civil service, and that gave the North the dominating attitude they still had today. The Ibos taught the North how to use power and the North used it better because they have the population too.

Thank God Awo checkmated Zik then, the Yorubas would have just been a tribe just for the sake of it without much achievement because Zik would have placed the Igbos above us tactically.

LegendHero:
You are very right.

1. I also learnt that the British built the rails linking the North to the South not only for the economic importance but for military purpose too so that they can be able to transport military logistics in the advent of the French attacking them in the North.

The British fumbled, they spoilt everything for the south from the onset. We were just sending money to run the Northern protectorate and they keep supporting them.

2. Yes, Azikwe wanted to rule the Western Region simply because it was prosperous. What he did was akin to betraying Macaulay and killing NCNC in the west by not knowing when to draw a line between politics and ethnicity. I can tell you he is not that intelligent, if I were him I will find a Yoruba that will be my puppet and sponsor him from the background and rule by proxy BUT the Igbo man take actions first without thinking. That was how the Yorubas got conscious of his antics and sent him packing.

He tried making the Ibos dominate tho in Balewa government. He just keeps fixing them in all the government parastatals as the head and even in the normal civil service. You’ll be seeing Ibo, Ibo. Infact the Northerners themselves didn’t have Up to 25% in the civil service because they ain’t educated so their slot was just filled up by Azikwe people.

I have two videos of him of when he left Nigeria on a medical trip abroad before the Coup that killed his colleagues. I also have a video of when he got back to the country after the coup. The Igbos mainly masterminded that coup to take power through the back door and they succeeded.

However that caused many problem for them because the Northerners just use the counter coup to change their destiny forever in Nigeria to fill themselves in the military, civil service, and that gave the North the dominating attitude they still had today. The Ibos taught the North how to use power and the North used it better because they have the population too.

Thank God Awo checkmated Zik then, the Yorubas would have just been a tribe just for the sake of it without much achievement because Zik would have placed the Igbos above us tactically.

I respect your analytical mind. You have deep and critical mind and you do well giving structure and meaning to abstract things.

Ibo come bow down and worship this man.

Even Ojukwu, your legend, is beneath this LegendHero.

LegendHero Amaka!

I want Northern parasites to come and defend this thrash from Ango.

He said Northern agriculture is 45% of federal income.

I say how much does groundnut sell in international market?

Bloody almajiris

kingawothefirst:
Enugu boy don drink too much miracle water, now he don mad finish, go check yourself inside kirikiri prison and stay off my mentions, I’m done bullying you.

Jobless miscreant I am back...have you many skull have mined today...hope your father's head is safe... imagine if we leave you cowards with the fulanis in Nigeria

We depend on Oil from the south, while you depend on us to have a bite of political power..
So shall it be forever!!

Urchman200:
don't you think division can be considered an option?

It will be a welcome development, a relief ! That some of us are not shouting about it does not mean we don't want it. We actually want it more. You can imagine the breath of fresh air and the fact that one no longer share the same space with some very acidic and fraudulent people who make some white folks and others to look down on you like a common criminal at every foreign port of entry.

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LegendHero:
Brother lets focus on the North.

To be honest, looking at the contribution of each region to the central government, the Northern region tried in their own part. After the Western region, they are the next.

Groundnut sells high on the international market during those period. Or let me say they produce more groundnut that generates more revenue for the government than Palm oil.

Below is an extract from the gazette for Jan 1961. You will clearly see from the gazette that the Federal government generates most of their income from the custom and excise duties on exported commodities (mostly agriculture).

-The first image is the government revenue sources.
-Second&third image is the export duties paid of each agricultural commodity.

Funniest thing is that this pattern is nearly thesame from the 1956 up to 1963 or so. Hence if the North claim to have contributed in some way in the past, they may be justified.

However Ango Abduallahi is just a noisemaker and he should adress the current issue bedeveling the North right now before talking down on the Southerners because the North today are dragging us backward.

We are dragging you backwards you say?
Hiding under your richer brothers to claim we are dragging you backwards... As if they separate from you, you will survive...the only thing you can offer in your projected new Southern Nigeria is media propaganda and form some unhealthy alliance to come close to power just for the sake of it...

OROSUNBOLB:
It will be a welcome development, a relief ! That some of us are not shouting about it does not mean we don't want it. We actually want it more. You can imagine the breath of fresh air and the fact that one no longer share the same space with some very acidic and fraudulent people who make some white folks and others to look down on you like a common criminal at every foreign port of entry.

how about skull mining? U guy's will go global.

MetaPhysical:
I respect your analytical mind. You have deep and critical mind and you do well giving structure and meaning to abstract things.

Ibo come bow down and worship this man.

Even Ojukwu, your legend, is beneath this LegendHero.

LegendHero Amaka!

Hahaha lol. I hail o my brother.

Racoon:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2020/06/nigeria-must-exist-on-basis-of-equality-northern-leaders/amp/

So why are you northerners ever ready to go to war to stop the disintegration or the restructuring of nigeria? Every region have been surviving thausands of years before the British almagamation of nigeria in 1914 but the discovery of crude oil in the niger delta have made some greedy people up north to become more power drunk and abandoning the development of their human and natural resources.

Baawahala:
We are dragging you backwards you say?
Hiding under your richer brothers to claim we are dragging you backwards... As if they separate from you, you will survive...the only thing you can offer in your projected new Southern Nigeria is media propaganda and form some unhealthy alliance to come close to power just for the sake of it...

Yes, I said it. The North is dragging us backward.

I can tell you for free that the North will be just another Niger republic if the South secede from the North. Infact if projection is right, you might be the highest refugee nation known to mankind if you were left to be in a separate country.

Okay let us discuss in a civil way coz I want to learn from your own perspective. Looking at your population and how unproductive you guys have been compared to the south, why do you think the South won't survive without the North?

Also I am not sure if you are categorizing the middle belt as part of your homogenous North coz the last time I checked, 70% of them will NOT want to associate with the Hausa/Fulanis in the eventual breakup of Nigeria.

mrvitalis:
Oga even today who produce more palm oil ? ..the bight of Biafra was always know for plan oil production ... south Western forcused on cocoa

Stop trying to twist facst

Very true

Northern Nigeria and controls make make me realise How much Power and Influence pass Knowledge !!

Southern Nigeria and Southern Nigerians are the real Almajiri in Nigeria ...

Bunch of educated Slowpokes that eat with all their mouth wide opened from Southwest(My Region) to the innermost part of SouthSouth !!

The Oil Companies control Nigeria using Northern Nigeria as the front (Shikom) !!

LegendHero:
Lol. Daring me to show revenue.

Now let me leave you with two details and this will be my last response to you on this thread.
Picture 1- Total accumulation by marketing boards for each region between 1954-1961
Picture 2- Expenditure of each regional government between 1955-1963

Please don't mention me again and let's concentrate on the North!

You are a wicked fellow.

You finish work without showing any mercy.

FemiMaduka:
This is false! Palm oil/kernel had always been the most valuable export prior to the discovery of oil, not even cocoa. The whole talk about the North funding Nigeria before oil is balderdash told by moronic, self-deceiving hordes. The South has always contributed much more. That was exactly why the South was amalgamated with the North so that the excess from the South can shore up the deficit from the North.

Are you saying data of 1918 was the same data when we had the self governing regions from 1952 to 1966?

LegendHero:
This is how it worked. Each region had a marketing board who fixed the prices for the agricultural produce for export. These marketing boards pay export duties to the Federal government and that constitute like 70% of the revenue source for the FG.

Now that means the western region, followed by the Northern Region, followed by the eastern Region contributed to the runnings of the FG.

Although we might not necessarily compare that to the crude oil of the SS today but they can still share some form of comparison. Today, the FG generate revenue through many ways which include crude oil sales, taxes at ports, minings, and etc.

What the FG does is to take all the money from this sources and grant 13% derivative to the source of the commodities. So the SS will collect their normal FAAC which is shared by lot of factors and in addition their 13% derivatives.

For e.g. Lagos will also collect her normal FAAC from the government in addition to a percentage of the VAT accrued from the state by the FG.

I’m not sure if you understand what I’m trying to prove, but I just gave you a snippet.

I don't think any percentage of VAT accrues to Lagos.

It is an argument that has been made by Lagos State, and don't think the FG since this 4th republic has entertained such demands.

LegendHero:
Yes, I said it. The North is dragging us backward.

I can tell you for free that the North will be just another Niger republic if the South secede from the North. Infact if projection is right, you might be the highest refugee nation known to mankind if you were left to be in a separate country.

Okay let us discuss in a civil way coz I want to learn from your own perspective. Looking at your population and how unproductive you guys have been compared to the south, why do you think the South won't survive without the North?

Also I am not sure if you are categorizing the middle belt as part of your homogenous North coz the last time I checked, 70% of them will NOT want to associate with the Hausa/Fulanis in the eventual breakup of Nigeria.

Hahaha,you call other Southerners your brothers, when you still need that our population to demonize them in the name of an alliance,they feel they can survive without you,we feel the same also,but do feel the same?, that's why you always tend to lean towards us whenever they threaten to go their way without including the propaganda region and you lean towards them whenever make know we are just using you as a tool...you guys are always in the middle,no head, no tail,the coward region.

Throwback:
I don't think any percentage of VAT accrues to Lagos.

It is an argument that has been made by Lagos State, and don't think the FG since this 4th republic has entertained such demands.

I think they are returning some certain amount to the states and they call it "Gross VAT allocation". For example in December 2019 FAAC data from NBS, Lagos received 8.2 billion as gross VAT while the state next to Lagos was Kano with 1.6billion.

So they always add the Gross Vat allocation to the normal Gross Statutory allocation with some other source and that contribute the total net amount.

Let me get your statement well. Are you talking about Lagos not getting actual 13% of the derivative from VAT? If you mean the exact 13%, you are right but I am sure all the states get a certain amount from VAT monthly from the FG.

Baawahala:
Hahaha,you call other Southerners your brothers, when you still need that our population to demonize them in the name of an alliance,they feel they can survive without you,we feel the same also,but do feel the same?, that's why you always tend to lean towards us whenever they threaten to go their way without including the propaganda region and you lean towards them whenever make know we are just using you as a tool...you guys are always in the middle,no head, no tail,the coward region.

I asked you a simple question but you digressed to another thing. I will address this in another post.

However let me address your concern about the Southerners and alliance with the Northerners.

--Initially when Nigeria started, Awolowo wanted them to include secession clause into the constitution but the Igbos(Azikwe)declined. Instead they agreed on a law that anyone that tried to secede committed treason.

--When it was time to form alliance, the Igbos (Azikwe) formed an alliance with Azikwe rather than Yoruba (Awolowo). Therefore the Igbos allied with the North

--The Igbos led the onslaught on other tribe leaders hereby getting in through the back door. Killed Yoruba leaders in the coup without respecting southern alliance.

--Ekwueme (Igbos) allied with Shagari (Northerners) in 1979 even when Awolowo was on the ballot. That clearly showed the Igbos preferred the North.

--Ekwueme again allied with the Northerner in 1983. Awolowo was also on the ballot but the Igbo chose to ally with the Northerners.

--Ojukwu himself campaigned on the podium for Shagari towards the 1983 election. Ojukwu used a microphone to tell his people to vote for Shagari. That showed the East allied with the North.

--Sylvester Ugoh allied with Bashir Tofa in 1993 eletion even when Abiola was on the ballot. That showed the East supported the North against the West right.

--1999, Most Yoruba wanted Falae and voted almost 90% for him, but the east chose to collude with the North to vote Obasanjo. Thereby we can say they also allied with the North.

--2015, Yoruba voted for Buhari, which was the first time that we go against anything called southern alliance.

Now my Aboki, from the statement you uttered and the above description I gave you, who among the southerners do you think allied with the Northerners more?