diordaves:


There is a performance difference due to science (the weight of gasses).

The outside unit is the engine of the Air-conditioning system. It is usually installed at lower level for down houses or bungalow for easy access for maintenance.

The indoor unit is the vent. So the engine generate the cold air and pipe the air inside the apartment.

Now the science bit. Cold gas (cool air) is heavier than hot air. So in a room the hot air will be floating higher close to the ceiling and the cool air (gases) will be floating around the floor level.

So you install the A/C vent at lintel level to cool the hot air generated by the roof. This air when cooled become heavier and 'fall' down to floor level and the air at floor level will float to the top. And before you know it the whole room is cooled. This is air conditioning.

If you install the vent at floor level, the system will not be efficient. The system will struggle to cool the heat generated by the roof. In this scenario, you may notice your feet are cold but room as a whole is not optimally cool.

@topsy23 and doirdaves, thanks for your response. Please see this picture and advise on best practice. The building is a bungalow Sirs.

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Jbsky:


@topsy23 and doirdaves, thanks for your response. Please see this picture and advise on best practice. The building is a bungalow Sirs.

There is no difference. The right (drawing) is normally used for single unit installation for storey buildings. I've seen it done for bungalows with no drop in efficiency. The efficiency of the system depends on the positioning of the indoor unit.

However, follow the installation instructions of the product. Some product may need a certain length of cooling pipe that would warrant the installation of the drawing on the left.

diordaves:


There is no difference. The right (drawing) is normally used for single unit installation for storey buildings. I've seen it done for bungalows with no drop in efficiency. The efficiency of the system depends on the positioning of the indoor unit.

However, follow the installation instructions of the product. Some product may need a certain length of cooling pipe that would warrant the installation of the drawing on the left.

Settled. Thanking you.

chimexdnice1:
can it be powered by solar ?

yes it can

hello guys pls what quantity of solignum, kerosine and black oil is needed to treat about 1000 pieces of 2 by 4 wood thanks

diordaves:

There is no difference. The right (drawing) is normally used for single unit installation for storey buildings. I've seen it done for bungalows with no drop in efficiency. The efficiency of the system depends on the positioning of the indoor unit.

However, follow the installation instructions of the product. Some product may need a certain length of cooling pipe that would warrant the installation of the drawing on the left.

Thank you very much for all the explanations. That is exactly what I thought. As long as the vent distributing the air is higher to the ceilings, then it's good.
The only thing the drawing on the right will save is a little cost of hose to take the air from the main unit to the vent, and that is also a mininal cost.
We all learn everyday from each other. Thanks again.

Hajji M.

fabulous85:
hello guys pls what quantity of solignum, kerosine and black oil is needed to treat about 1000 pieces of 2 by 4 wood thanks

The best practice and advise is to use only original Solignum endorsed by NIOB.
(The Nigerian Institute of Building)
To get good result DON’T mixed it with any other substances like kerosene, water, black oil etc.

Then use praying apparatus/equipment to do the application, this will safe you a lot.

With this,4 gallons will be enough for the job.
I usually undergo same procedure in most of my projects

rotecch77:



The best practice and advise is to use only original Solignum endorsed by NIOB.
(The Nigerian Institute of Building)
To get good result DON’T mixed it with any other substances like kerosene, water, black oil etc.

Then use praying apparatus/equipment to do the application, this will safe you a lot.

With this,4 gallons will be enough for the job.
I usually undergo same procedure in most of my projects

thanks alot

Jbsky:


Please is there any performance difference between installation of AC outdoor unit at lower level than the indoor unit level, and installation of both at same height level (both outdoor and indoor units).

I can see most installations are done with outdoor units installed at a lower level, I would like to consider same level installation to cut cost. Kindly educate me on the disadvantages.
Many thanks.

flow of gas and condense water required that the outdoor unit shold be at the lower level why the indoor should be at the higher level,

HealthCas:

That's the WhatsApp number up there

I will send it here sir,

twinskenny:



flow of gas and condense water required that the outdoor unit shold be at the lower level why the indoor should be at the higher level,

Not true.
'Pump' does the work not gravity.

mank1234:


Not true.
'Pump' does the work not gravity.

which of the work sir>?

are you saying he can install the outdoor above the indoor unit

twinskenny:


which of the work sir>?

are you saying he can install the outdoor above the indoor unit

Work of circulating the coolant.
Yes, he can.

mank1234:


Yes, he can.

how will will you pass the condense water?

twinskenny:


how will will you pass the condense water?

Does condense water go to outdoor unit?
Water condenses at the indoor unit and is channeled out separately.

mank1234:


Does condense water go to outdoor unit?
Water condenses at the indoor unit and is channeled out separately.

of cause it doesnt, well i guess the plan is to pipe that separately?

my thinking is that its better to run the whole duct straight down..

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twinskenny:
of cause it doesnt, well i guess the plan is to pipe that separately?

my thinking is that its better to run the whole duct straight down..

I agree with you. However, he asked if it can be done.

Unibenfucker:
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SurveyorGeo:

For a registered Survey plan that will have both Record copy (red copy or Govt. copy) and Blue copy or client copy, average cost is 400k in Mainland depending on the size of the land. see attached scale of fees below. for more information call me on 08069018449. I am Surveyor.

We have discussed this issue before.
The fact that a Professional body issued a price guideline, does not mean that is what Customers will pay or you should charge a Customer.
It is like when the Pepper Grinder Association just wakeup one day and raise dthe price of grinding Pepper to #100, no matter how small it is.
Smart Pepper grinders recognise that if you charge too much as your association suggested, you wont get customers and you will still have to pay Association fees but the smart ones will look at your Pepper and say, 'Okay, it is small, l will take #50 for this' and before youknow it, theyhave made a lot of money while the ones still insisting on Association price, are still yawning and waiting for their first customer.

I had a similar issue with my Welder.
He said their 'Association has said anytime they go to weld anything in a Customers compound, they must charge a minimum of #5,000, no matter how small it is. Because he has been working with me for awhile, he came to do the work (just to use fire cut a Padlock that we misplaced the key. One other welder who overheard our discussion when l said l will only pay #2,000, went to report him and their Chairman came to carry his Welding Machine, just infornt of my house, as the guy was about to leave.
Well, l ensured the Chariman and his assistant got locked up and chargedfor stealing. Apart from bailing themselves, they also paid for the fiancial loss' suffered by the Welder. Now that is an extreme case, l just dont like their overbearing attitude and l was determined to remind them that joining a Union is voluntary, by law. They have left him alone since them.
Unionism should not be solely to extort the Client, all fees should be reasonable.

There are Surveyors who are smart and will do a Plot for less than #400K, l know a few and it is genuine (that is the bargaining excuse they greedy ones use, they scare the customer that if it is cheaper than what their Union prescribed, it wont be registered at Alausa! Bullsheeet). I have used them twice in the last two years.
The person requiring a Surveyor can send me a PM and l will give him numbers of Smart Surveyors who will do it for #300K/Plot.
If you ask these #400K Surveyors why it is #400K, their best defense is That is what the Institute Prescribed or that is the standard fee!
Who says it is the Standard fee and what right do they have, to impose such exhorbitant price on Clients?

mank1234:


Not true.
'Pump' does the work not gravity.

You are absolutely correct!
The only reason the Indoor Unit is at the higher level is because of the 'basic science' of Air itself.
Hot Air Rises, Cold Air (which is heavier) falls down under gravity.
If you want your Space to get Cold very quickly, you let the DENSER/HEAVIER, Cold air fall down under gravity as it displaces the LIGHTER hot air in the space, which rises and gets sucked out to be discharged outside by the Outdoor Unit.

As to water discharge, as long as it is flowing to somewhere lower, it will flow out by itself, irrespective of the position of the outdoor Unit

rotecch77:



The best practice and advise is to use only original Solignum endorsed by NIOB.
(The Nigerian Institute of Building)
To get good result DON’T mixed it with any other substances like kerosene, water, black oil etc.

Then use praying apparatus/equipment to do the application, this will safe you a lot.

With this,4 gallons will be enough for the job.
I usually undergo same procedure in most of my projects

Please, Equip that your Spraying staff with a cheap gas mask!
That chemical destroys the lungs after prolong exposure but the spraying guy wont know until it si too late.

diordaves:


There is a performance difference due to science (the weight of gasses).

...

Now the science bit. Cold gas (cool air) is heavier than hot air. So in a room the hot air will be floating higher close to the ceiling and the cool air (gases) will be floating around the floor level.

So you install the A/C vent at lintel level to cool the hot air generated by the roof. This air when cooled become heavier and 'fall' down to floor level and the air at floor level will float to the top. And before you know it the whole room is cooled. This is air conditioning.

If you install the vent at floor level, the system will not be efficient. The system will struggle to cool the heat generated by the roof. In this scenario, you may notice your feet are cold but room as a whole is not optimally cool.

Exactly! Kudos.

One4me:


We have discussed this issue before.
The fact that a Professional body issued a price guideline, does not mean that is what Customers will pay or you should charge a Customer.
It is like when the Pepper Grinder Association just wakeup one day and raise dthe price of grinding Pepper to #100, no matter how small it is.
Smart Pepper grinders recognise that if you charge too much as your association suggested, you wont get customers and you will still have to pay Association fees but the smart ones will look at your Pepper and say, 'Okay, it is small, l will take #50 for this' and before youknow it, theyhave made a lot of money while the ones still insisting on Association price, are still yawning and waiting for their first customer.

I had a similar issue with my Welder.
He said their 'Association has said anytime they go to weld anything in a Customers compound, they must charge a minimum of #5,000, no matter how small it is. Because he has been working with me for awhile, he came to do the work (just to use fire cut a Padlock that we misplaced the key. One other welder who overheard our discussion when l said l will only pay #2,000, went to report him and their Chairman came to carry his Welding Machine, just infornt of my house, as the guy was about to leave.
Well, l ensured the Chariman and his assistant got locked up and chargedfor stealing. Apart from bailing themselves, they also paid for the fiancial loss' suffered by the Welder. Now that is an extreme case, l just dont like their overbearing attitude and l was determined to remind them that joining a Union is voluntary, by law. They have left him alone since them.
Unionism should not be solely to extort the Client, all fees should be reasonable.

There are Surveyors who are smart and will do a Plot for less than #400K, l know a few and it is genuine (that is the bargaining excuse they greedy ones use, they scare the customer that if it is cheaper than what their Union prescribed, it wont be registered at Alausa! Bullsheeet). I have used them twice in the last two years.
The person requiring a Surveyor can send me a PM and l will give him numbers of Smart Surveyors who will do it for #300K/Plot.
If you ask these #400K Surveyors why it is #400K, their best defense is That is what the Institute Prescribed or that is the standard fee!
Who says it is the Standard fee and what right do they have, to impose such exhorbitant price on Clients?

People like you, are one of the the reasons why Nigeria is where it is today. The labour union laws mean nothing to you. Reason why professional bodies fix prices ,is to ensure uniformity in pricing of professional services nation wide or within a particular state.Now what the bodies are trying to do is to ensure that professionals earn within a certain range, it's just the same way we have the "minimum wage". A Registered surveyor would never charge below 400k. Only surveyors who are not registered would charge you less.The funny thing is , this surveyors that charge less, would still approach the registered ones to sign and seal the survey plan for them.

It's illegal for a Registered professional to charge below fees set by the Regulatory body.The professional offering such services and the client can be arrested if the Regulatory body is notified of such practice.

One4me:


We have discussed this issue before.
The fact that a Professional body issued a price guideline, does not mean that is what Customers will pay or you should charge a Customer.
It is like when the Pepper Grinder Association just wakeup one day and raise dthe price of grinding Pepper to #100, no matter how small it is.
Smart Pepper grinders recognise that if you charge too much as your association suggested, you wont get customers and you will still have to pay Association fees but the smart ones will look at your Pepper and say, 'Okay, it is small, l will take #50 for this' and before youknow it, theyhave made a lot of money while the ones still insisting on Association price, are still yawning and waiting for their first customer.

I had a similar issue with my Welder.
He said their 'Association has said anytime they go to weld anything in a Customers compound, they must charge a minimum of #5,000, no matter how small it is. Because he has been working with me for awhile, he came to do the work (just to use fire cut a Padlock that we misplaced the key. One other welder who overheard our discussion when l said l will only pay #2,000, went to report him and their Chairman came to carry his Welding Machine, just infornt of my house, as the guy was about to leave.
Well, l ensured the Chariman and his assistant got locked up and chargedfor stealing. Apart from bailing themselves, they also paid for the fiancial loss' suffered by the Welder. Now that is an extreme case, l just dont like their overbearing attitude and l was determined to remind them that joining a Union is voluntary, by law. They have left him alone since them.
Unionism should not be solely to extort the Client, all fees should be reasonable.

There are Surveyors who are smart and will do a Plot for less than #400K, l know a few and it is genuine (that is the bargaining excuse they greedy ones use, they scare the customer that if it is cheaper than what their Union prescribed, it wont be registered at Alausa! Bullsheeet). I have used them twice in the last two years.
The person requiring a Surveyor can send me a PM and l will give him numbers of Smart Surveyors who will do it for #300K/Plot.
If you ask these #400K Surveyors why it is #400K, their best defense is That is what the Institute Prescribed or that is the standard fee!
Who says it is the Standard fee and what right do they have, to impose such exhorbitant price on Clients?

The bolded is exactly what a registered surveyor told me. He has never and will never charge 400K for a plot. Haba!, thats exorbitant. No wonder he is always busy with different clients even on sunday. Do standard fee, bro you are on your own.

Unibenfucker:
Hello Guys.we got this new dredger. I would be doing 30 trucks of 20tons(600tonnage) every day. Make una contact me ooooh .

This your moniker self . make i stop from there

One4me:


We have discussed this issue before.
The fact that a Professional body issued a price guideline, does not mean that is what Customers will pay or you should charge a Customer.
It is like when the Pepper Grinder Association just wakeup one day and raise dthe price of grinding Pepper to #100, no matter how small it is.
Smart Pepper grinders recognise that if you charge too much as your association suggested, you wont get customers and you will still have to pay Association fees but the smart ones will look at your Pepper and say, 'Okay, it is small, l will take #50 for this' and before youknow it, theyhave made a lot of money while the ones still insisting on Association price, are still yawning and waiting for their first customer.

I had a similar issue with my Welder.
He said their 'Association has said anytime they go to weld anything in a Customers compound, they must charge a minimum of #5,000, no matter how small it is. Because he has been working with me for awhile, he came to do the work (just to use fire cut a Padlock that we misplaced the key. One other welder who overheard our discussion when l said l will only pay #2,000, went to report him and their Chairman came to carry his Welding Machine, just infornt of my house, as the guy was about to leave.
Well, l ensured the Chariman and his assistant got locked up and chargedfor stealing. Apart from bailing themselves, they also paid for the fiancial loss' suffered by the Welder. Now that is an extreme case, l just dont like their overbearing attitude and l was determined to remind them that joining a Union is voluntary, by law. They have left him alone since them.
Unionism should not be solely to extort the Client, all fees should be reasonable.

There are Surveyors who are smart and will do a Plot for less than #400K, l know a few and it is genuine (that is the bargaining excuse they greedy ones use, they scare the customer that if it is cheaper than what their Union prescribed, it wont be registered at Alausa! Bullsheeet). I have used them twice in the last two years.
The person requiring a Surveyor can send me a PM and l will give him numbers of Smart Surveyors who will do it for #300K/Plot.
If you ask these #400K Surveyors why it is #400K, their best defense is That is what the Institute Prescribed or that is the standard fee!
Who says it is the Standard fee and what right do they have, to impose such exhorbitant price on Clients?

Morning, how're you doing?

SurveyorGeo went as far as sharing the scale of fees..

Pls, in everything we should be fair to ourselves.

1. The surveyor's counsel is perhaps the only professional body in the the environment industry that's United and has a uniform fee anywhere in Nigeria.

2. EXCEPT THE SURVEYOR IS CHEATING, Eg back dating or producing fake documents he cannot charge less than the minimum fees shown on the scale of fees BECAUSE that's the amount he's paying to the government.

3. I'll advice you and Godisgreatest1 look at the complete scale of fees not just the screen shoot he sent, a location in Lagos could be 300k and another 400k, we have locations in Ogun at 120k and another at 300k etc.

You could easily think your surveyor would do it for 300k (an amount less than what he's required to pay to government) - How's he doing that?

SurveyorGeo was right in every word he put up there.

Lastly, at the end of the scale of fees, it then went on to define how much in range a surveyor shd be paid at different levels.... As low as 9k in some cases.

Goodluck

saydfact:


Morning, how're you doing?

SurveyorGeo went as far as sharing the scale of fees..

Pls, in everything we should be fair to ourselves.

1. The surveyor's counsel is perhaps the only professional body in the the environment industry that's United and has a uniform fee anywhere in Nigeria.

2. EXCEPT THE SURVEYOR IS CHEATING, Eg back dating or producing fake documents he cannot charge less than the minimum fees shown on the scale of fees BECAUSE that's the amount he's paying to the government.

3. I'll advice you and Godisgreatest1 look at the complete scale of fees not just the screen shoot he sent, a location in Lagos could be 300k and another 400k, we have locations in Ogun at 120k and another at 300k etc.

You could easily think your surveyor would do it for 300k (an amount less than what he's required to pay to government) - How's he doing that?

SurveyorGeo was right in every word he put up there.

Lastly, at the end of the scale of fees, it then went on to define how much in range a surveyor shd be paid at different levels.... As low as 9k in some cases.

Goodluck

Good morning,
You see, the document he posted containing the 'standard fee' is not new to me or to anyone that I know of. We know already. I have currently worked with 2 registered surveyors, in emphasis 'registered'. The payments made were far below the 'standard fee'. Lets just say maybe both of them are not members of the certified union, that I don't know, what matters to me is that they are registered and the documents are legitimate and up to date. It's common in building, i've heard of standard welders fee, that was how I was charged over 6million to construct protectors and stair rails for a 2 stories of 6nos of 2 beds. Or was it the tiler that told me standard fees story and billed me almost 600k as workmanship to tile a 4 bedroom bungalow, this one happened just last month am still recuperating. I manage funds and so I pay what I can afford and get the very best, maybe even better than what the standard fee covers. Let those that have money falling from the sky pay standard. That settles it.
Good luck.

Yes you can install the outdoor units above the indoor units. For instance, third floor AC outdoor units can be installed on the 7th floor being the roof floor.

twinskenny:


which of the work sir>?

are you saying he can install the outdoor above the indoor unit

nifty247:
Yes you can install the outdoor units above the indoor units. For instance, third floor AC outdoor units can be installed on the 7th floor being the roof floor.

yes you are correct. I have said it earlier. But remember the distance between them must not be more than 15m