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AntiChristian:
You may as well explain the reason Jesus did speak figuratively from below:

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Jesus spoke in clear language for those who listened
and he spoke figuratively to those who also understood figurative expression.

Jesus is full of wisdom, only a wise person can speak both plainly and figuratively. Muhammad wasn't that smart, he could only expressed himself with violence and illogical words

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

That's why you need to accept him before you can fully understand the secret of the kingdom of God, his words on how you can be saved are plain and direct, but the secret of the kingdom of God is revealed to only his followers or those that can use their sense to read the scriptures, the meaning of the parables he told his disciples that day is documented in the Bible for anybody to read today and the manifestation is even evident on someone like you who claimed to have been a Christian before but left because Allah the best deceiver deceived you

You Antichristian fall into this category:
"Mark.4.18 - Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word;"
Mark.4.19 - but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

This verse is talking about you that believe the lies of Muhammad, the false Prophet, if only you read to understand. The verse didn't say God lied, it says God sent you and your fellow idolaters a powerful delusion so that you could believe the lie of the false Prophet. That was the same type of delusion he sent to Pharaoh that made him eventually perished in the Red sea because he refused to retrace his steps

"2Thess.2.8 - And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

Jesus is coming again to destroy the lawless Muhammad who broke all the laws of the most high God, by stealing, coveting the wife of Zaid his adopted son, committing murder, setting up an idol (Blackstone) for you to worship etc..


"2Thess.2.9 - The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,"
-just like Muhammad did fake, unconfirmed miracles of splitting the moon,travelling to heaven on a flying donkey, claiming that black cumin can heal all diseases and saying that honey is the treatment for diarrhea.

"2Thess.2.10 - and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

-This is the reason why all of you following falsehood will perish if you dont serve the Holy God and stop serving Allah the immoral god that promise you brothel-like paradise

AntiChristian:
No worry, I never get your time.

lol. idts kool. wen u have d tym, open new topic and ask Christians y Jesus told dem to lie-
especially in harsh or life threatening situations-
just like he did.
k?

AntiChristian:
All this you argument of Kissing of stone as worshiping stone is what?

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) said, when he kissed the Black Stone: I know that you are a stone and have no power to harm or benefit; were it not that I saw the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you.

This is the Muslim belief regarding the stone.

So that we don't misunderstand you please simply tell us: Why did Mohamed and by extension Moslems today kiss the black stone? 

Why do you still kiss it even when al-khattab said it has no power to harm or benefit?

Did Mohamed have the same understanding as al-khattab?

[quote author=AntiChristian post=90432216]Case not closed yet. You shouldn't be one sided here. In all fairness you should justify the verse below. I hope you won't be an hypocrite now!

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

God didnt deceive them, it was a promise with a condition and the condition is if they serve only him and desist from idolatry and since they couldn't fulfil their own end of the bargain, God said they will be destroyed and only a few of them shall be saved, He said foreigners shall take over their country until they retrace their steps. He's a just God, the same punishment he gave to other nations that commit sin is the same he meted on Israel

1 Kings 22:20-22
And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

He's the God of host, both demons and angels obey his command and if after warning a people to desist from their sinful ways and they refuse he can use anything to destroy them

Ezekiel 14:9-11
" 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Read the proceeding verse
Ezek.14.6 - "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!

God had warned them here before saying they will be destroyed if they don't repent of their sins and idolatry but Allah is the one that leads people astray.

Quran 7:178
He whom Allah leadeth, he indeed is led aright, while he whom Allah sendeth astray - they indeed are losers.

Isaiah 37:6-7
Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.'

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

You sha want to compare God to Allah the best of the deceivers.

Pharaoh and his army followed the Israeli into the sea and were destroyed as reported in the Quran, that's the same scenario playing out here, he who God wants to destroy, he will make him confused like Muhammad was in the cave of Hira when he was being tormented by the jinn and he thought he had seen an angel of God

Isaiah 19:14
The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

[color=#990000]Here we see God deceiving people

Where is the word deceit here? How is this different from Allah boasting in the Quran about how he destroyed Pharaoh and his people? Quran 2:50, Quran 7:137


Allah is the deceiver, the best of deceivers for that matter


Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and [b]Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers


Makrina is from (مَكْر [makr] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.

advocatejare:
Jesus spoke in clear language for those who listened
and he spoke figuratively to those who also understood figurative expression.

Jesus is full of wisdom, only a wise person can speak both plainly and figuratively. Muhammad wasn't that smart, he could only expressed himself with violence and illogical words

That's why you need to accept him before you can fully understand the secret of the kingdom of God, his words on how you can be saved are plain and direct, but the secret of the kingdom of God is revealed to only his followers or those that can use their sense to read the scriptures, the meaning of the parables he told his disciples that day is documented in the Bible for anybody to read today and the manifestation is even evident on someone like you who claimed to have been a Christian before but left because Allah the best deceiver deceived you

You Antichristian fall into this category:
"Mark.4.18 - Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word;"
Mark.4.19 - but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful

This verse is talking about you that believe the lies of Muhammad, the false Prophet, if only you read to understand. The verse didn't say God lied, it says God sent you and your fellow idolaters a powerful delusion so that you could believe the lie of the false Prophet. That was the same type of delusion he sent to Pharaoh that made him eventually perished in the Red sea because he refused to retrace his steps

"2Thess.2.8 - And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

Jesus is coming again to destroy the lawless Muhammad who broke all the laws of the most high God, by stealing, coveting the wife of Zaid his adopted son, committing murder, setting up an idol (Blackstone) for you to worship etc..


"2Thess.2.9 - The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,"
-just like Muhammad did fake, unconfirmed miracles of splitting the moon,travelling to heaven on a flying donkey, claiming that black cumin can heal all diseases and saying that honey is the treatment for diarrhea.

"2Thess.2.10 - and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

-This is the reason why all of you following falsehood will perish if you dont serve the Holy God and stop serving Allah the immoral god that promise you brothel-like paradise

Are you trying to explain the Bible verses or writing your own statement? All is just muddled up!

In John 16:25 Jesus said:
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

When Jesus was alone with his disciples he now told them the truth!
So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Explain clearly why Jesus had to use proverbs people can't understand while preaching but had to explain to his disciples? I don't need your preaching!

AntiChristian:
Are you trying to explain the Bible verses or writing your own statement? All is just muddled up!

In John 16:25 Jesus said:
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

When Jesus was alone with his disciples he now told them the truth!
So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Explain clearly why Jesus had to use proverbs people can't understand while preaching but had to explain to his disciples? I don't need your preaching!

I've explained, if you're smart and wise you would have seen your answer,

AntiChristian:
Are you trying to explain the Bible verses or writing your own statement? All is just muddled up!

bros, I still dey wait u.
kindly mention me wen u open d thread.
cheers!