I and two of my friends was at this fellowship, the pastor was just saying stuffs that was hurting my ears. I hate nonsense. I stood up and walked out of the fellowship. My friends followed me. We turned back to laugh about it and realized the whole congregation came out as well.

The pastor later came to meet me outside and said I shouldn’t have left like that.


Do you just sit there to digest all the rubbish when it contradicts what you believe in and what you know the Bible teaches?

Well, sometimes wisdom sounds like "trash" in the ears of fools. It is what it is

You don't digest it,

But at least you don't walk out of the church, even if the pastor is teaching his own opinion that seem to contradict yours and your own revelation of the Bible, respect the authority of God's presence.

Stay and leave after the sermon/service ends, and maybe don't fellowship there next time.

Stephenomozzy:
You don't digest it,

But at least you don't walk out of the church, even if the pastor is teaching his own opinion that seem to contradict yours and your own revelation of the Bible, respect the authority of God's presence.

Stay and leave after the sermon/service ends, and maybe don't fellowship there next time.

stay you say?

How can a supposed man of God be abusing Gods words in the house of God you say I should stay and wait for the sermon to end. I might stand up and correct him instead I walked out.

EzzyCarter:
Well, sometimes wisdom sounds like "trash" in the ears of fools. It is what it is

lol. I know trash when I hear one. Likewise wisdom.

Stephenomozzy:
You don't digest it,

But at least you don't walk out of the church, even if the pastor is teaching his own opinion that seem to contradict yours and your own revelation of the Bible, respect the authority of God's presence.

Stay and leave after the sermon/service ends, and maybe don't fellowship there next time.

Stay for what? To be carjoled? Please flee. The bible says if anyone teaches another doctrine have NOTHING to do with him. Please run from someone teaching heresies.

duro4chang:
Stay for what? To be carjoled? Please flee. The bible says if anyone teaches another doctrine have NOTHING to do with him. Please run from someone teaching heresies.

dont mind them. That’s how they end up calling them “daddy and mummy” with no brain of their own

Churches have suggestion box, dont they?

Submit your frustration.

Carchoice:
stay you say?

How can a supposed man of God be abusing Gods words in the house of God you say I should stay and wait for the sermon to end. I might stand up and correct him instead I walked out.

He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

cruxgemmata:
Churches have suggestion box, dont they?

Submit your frustration.

submit to who? The same frustrated pastor?

duro4chang:
Stay for what? To be carjoled? Please flee. The bible says if anyone teaches another doctrine have NOTHING to do with him. Please run from someone teaching heresies.

First of all, you don't even know what the pastor was preaching that the OP tagged as nonsense.

Some church goers (like OP I'm sure) will tag all sermons as nonsense when it does not gratify their own understanding or opinion of what should be presentable as a sermon in church.

Before the OP turns again to call "them" that call pastors daddy and mummy as people who are without brain, let him come and state verbatim the supposed nonsense the pastor was preaching

Stephenomozzy:


First of all, you don't even know what the pastor was preaching that the OP tagged as nonsense.

Some church goers (like OP I'm sure) will tag all sermons as nonsense when it does not gratify their own understanding or opinion of what should be presentable as a sermon in church.

Before the OP turns again to call "them" that call pastors daddy and mummy as people who are without brain, let him come and state verbatim the supposed nonsense the pastor was preaching

I agree with you to some extent. Perhaps the pastor was actually saying the right thing but the man was not pleased. But wait, he left and other people also left without being forced or begged to leave. I think something is wrong. Lastly, do you know that many people we call pastors are not? No proper training and spiritually they are bankrupt. Do'nt you see them on social media and even along your street?

duro4chang:
I agree with you to some extent. Perhaps the pastor was actually saying the right thing but the man was not pleased. But wait, he left and other people also left without being forced or begged to leave. I think something is wrong. Lastly, do you know that many people we call pastors are not? No proper training and spiritually they are bankrupt. Do'nt you see them on social media and even along your street?

the poster you quoting thinks because they are called pastors they always make sense. I know when I see a genuine pastor. I don't need anyone to tell me.

Carchoice:
I and two of my friends was at this fellowship, the pastor was just saying stuffs that was hurting my ears. I hate nonsense. I stood up and walked out of the fellowship. My friends followed me. We turned back to laugh about it and realized the whole congregation came out as well.

The pastor later came to meet me outside and said I shouldn’t have left like that.


Do you just sit there to digest all the rubbish when it contradicts what you believe in and what you know the Bible teaches?

You never mentioned what the pastor said

Kobojunkie:


You never mentioned what the pastor said

he would call your name and tell you to come sow a seed that he heard most of his members are building houses but they drop little change for the church.

He would call you out and tell you to sow a big seed by force. If you don't have it doesn't concern him.

I'm always a guest in every church I go to. That gave me the audacity to walk out

Carchoice:
he would call your name and tell you to come sow a seed that he heard most of his members are building houses but they drop little change for the church.

He would call you out and tell you to sow a big seed by force. If you don't have it doesn't concern him.

I'm always a guest in every church I go to. That gave me the audacity to walk out

So what were you against? The calling out of names or the sowing of seeds?

Carchoice:
he would call your name and tell you to come sow a seed that he heard most of his members are building houses but they drop little change for the church.

He would call you out and tell you to sow a big seed by force. If you don't have it doesn't concern him.

I'm always a guest in every church I go to. That gave me the audacity to walk out

hahaha hahaha that's serious oooooooo! Me sef go waka. It's better to waka than to make false promises lolz!

What kind of by fire by force sowing is that! I don't do that o, if you sow you do it for your own good and if you don't na your own Palaver be that. Those that sow will be blessed and increase, while those that don't will remain same. That's just it!

Nephilim:
hahaha hahaha that's serious oooooooo! Me sef go waka. It's better to waka than to make false promises lolz!

What kind of by fire by force sowing is that! I don't do that o, if you sow you do it for your own good and if you don't na your own Palaver be that. Those that sow will be blessed and increase, while those that don't will remain same. That's just it!

But Jesus Christ never asked anyone to sow seeds in His name, neither did any of His apostles teach such. So, why even engage in such acts to begin with?

This doctrine is obviously of man and not of God. Do you all need Daddy Fresh or Reno mokri to come tell you the truth of God on this too?

Carchoice:
I and two of my friends was at this fellowship, the pastor was just saying stuffs that was hurting my ears. I hate nonsense. I stood up and walked out of the fellowship. My friends followed me. We turned back to laugh about it and realized the whole congregation came out as well.

The pastor later came to meet me outside and said I shouldn’t have left like that.


Do you just sit there to digest all the rubbish when it contradicts what you believe in and what you know the Bible teaches?

Bros, you get Liver ooooo !
That PASTORPRENEUR no go forgive you for spoiling his feeding bottle in his business centre

duro4chang:
But wait, he left and other people also left without being forced or begged to leave. I think something is wrong.

Lastly, do you know that many people we call pastors are not? No proper training and spiritually they are bankrupt. Don't you see them on social media and even along your street?

1. I do suspect OP exaggerated the first, about all other people leaving (probably guests like himself). If it's true, having read the reasons OP gave for leaving it can be justified, obviously the pastor stepped out of line. Albeit I maintain my stand...the presence of God dwells where 2 or 3 people of faith are gathered, not by the correctness of the pastor's doctrine or methods.

And also, what was in OP's mind when he left, did he feel his Faith threatened or he felt contempt and judgement for the pastor whom without being God himself (OP) judged him a sinner.

2. Of course I'm well aware of the spiritual quackery that has ridden leadership of today's young church.

cruxgemmata:
Churches have suggestion box, dont they?

Submit your frustration.

Who suggestion box help? Every business follows the ideas of the owner.......

Kobojunkie:


But Jesus Christ never asked anyone to sow seeds in His name, neither did any of His apostles teach such. So, why even engage in such acts to begin with?

This doctrine is obviously of man and not of God. Do you all need Daddy Fresh or Reno mokri to come tell you the truth of God on this too?

God is interested in our giving. Jesus says give and it shall be giving unto you, Jesus watched as people gives in the temple, Jesus gives alms to the poor and certainly to the temple treasury. So giving is important.

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Nephilim:
God is interested in our giving. Jesus says give and it shall be giving unto you, Jesus watched as people gives in the temple, Jesus gives alms to the poor and certainly to the temple treasury. So giving is important.

God is more interested in your obedience than your giving' after all He did tell you that all your righteousness (your giving included) is filthy rags in His sight.

For the record, Jesus Christ did not give alms to the poor, and the temple tax He paid was a tax imposed by the Roman's during that time.

If there is any commandment that seems central to the teaching of Jesus Christ, it is the commandment to Love your neighbor(your enemies included) as you love your own self. On this commandment, all other commandments He gave seem to depend as well (right after the first greatest of course).

With this in mind, it becomes clear that the doctrine of sowing to your pastors/churches dream is not what Jesus Christ was talking of when He said to give.

Further Confirmation of this can be found in matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where the Kingdom of God is given, not to those who sow seeds to pastors and churches but to those who give to the poor and the needy.

Sowing of seeds to churches/preacher is similar to investing in a business only church folk get swindled as they don'tget listed as shareholders in the end.

Please note that giving to your pastors and churches is not the same as giving to the poor. Giving to your paator is akin to giving to a business organization that happens to say it helps the poor too.

Kobojunkie:


God is more interested in your obedience than your giving' after all He did tell you that all your righteousness (your giving included) is filthy rags in His sight.

For the record, Jesus Christ did not give alms to the poor, and the temple tax He paid was a tax imposed by the Roman's during that time.

If there is any commandment that seems central to the teaching of Jesus Christ, it is the commandment to Love your neighbor(your enemies included) as you love your own self. On this commandment, all other commandments He gave seem to depend as well (right after the first greatest of course).

With this in mind, it becomes clear that the doctrine of sowing to your pastors/churches dream is not what Jesus Christ was talking of when He said to give.

Further Confirmation of this can be found in matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where the Kingdom of God is given, not to those who sow seeds to pastors and churches but to those who give to the poor and the needy.

Sowing of seeds to churches/preacher is similar to investing in a business only church folk get swindled as they don'tget listed as shareholders in the end.

Please note that giving to your pastors and churches is not the same as giving to the poor. Giving to your paator is akin to giving to a business organization that happens to say it helps the poor too.

Go and learn the eternal principles of prosperity. Everything I gives to the church I get blessed both here on earth and in heaven, where those givings of mine are be stored in eternal treasures where no moth can eat it.

Giving to pastors and churches is necessary, infact it's important, Apostle Paul says in phillipians 4:10-19.
In those days when angels (messengers) visit earth they are always entertained by what the person they visit have, look at Abraham, Lot etc this is to honor the messengers of God.

If you don't honor your Pastor's in your giving then you are not honoring God in their lives, if you don't honor the church in your giving then you are not honoring that place of worship where you worship God.


Moreso where is your obedience when you lack in giving.. Jesus says give and it shall be given unto you. Jesus says he that give this little one a cup of water in my name shall in no way loose his blessings, so where is your obedience.

Nephilim:
Go and learn the eternal principles of prosperity. Everything I gives to the church I get blessed both here on earth and in heaven, where those givings of mine are be stored in eternal treasures where no moth can eat it.

Giving to pastors and churches is necessary, infact it's important, Apostle Paul says in phillipians 4:10-19.
In those days when angels (messengers) visit earth they are always entertained by what the person they visit have, look at Abraham, Lot etc this is to honor the messengers of God.

If you don't honor your Pastor's in your giving then you are not honoring God in their lives, if you don't honor the church in your giving then you are not honoring that place of worship where you worship God.

I thought Jesus Christ is the one you worship? Are you suggesting there that Paul countermanded Jesus's own Commandments?
Or did Paul somehow find a way ro append a new commandment to the New Convenant that Jesus Christ finished just before he died on the cross?


Do you have actual verses to show Jesus Christ ordering you to honor said pastors in your giving?

Doctrines and traditions of men are just that, meaningless, worthless nonsense that rob you of what God wants for you. Jesus pretty much told you that by the way.

Kobojunkie:


I thought Jesus Christ is the one you worship? Are you suggesting there that Paul countermanded Jesus's own Commandments?
Or did Paul somehow find a way ro append a new commandment to the New Convenant that Jesus Christ finished just before he died on the cross?


Do you have actual verses to show Jesus Christ ordering you to honor said pastors in your giving?

Doctrines and traditions of men are just that, meaningless, worthless nonsense that rob you of what God wants for you. Jesus pretty much told you that by the way.

if you truly worship Jesus then you will understand that he wants you to give to the messengers (pastors) he has sent to you and also to His church. Which he has put on earth. I can't begin to speak from personal revelations he had given me concerning giving to His church when I was of a reprobate mind like yours concerning giving to the church.

If Jesus talked about giving then he wants you to do it, both to people around you and to his Church!

How can you love someone without giving to them, if you love Jesus give to Him, and since you don't see Him give to His church and to His messengers.
Then you've given to Him.


Even Our Lord Jesus is a giver, he gave himself to the world and much more to us! So why are you csstigating his messengers.

If you love him, obey his commandments.

This is a real issue in christendom today

Pastors preaching their own philosophy and not the word of God

Beloveth, I can only say you should always read your Bible and pray by yourself.
Church should be for fellowship not to be a zombie for your pastor

We are all disciples of Christ, your pastor is not better than you

Nephilim:


If you truly worship Jesus then you will understand that he wants you to give to the messengers (pastors) he has sent to you and also to His church. Which he has put on earth. I can't begin to speak from personal revelations he had given me concerning giving to His church when I was of a reprobate mind like yours concerning giving to the church.

If Jesus talked about giving then he wants you to do it, both to people around you and to his Church!

How can you love someone without giving to them, if you love Jesus give to Him, and since you don't see Him give to His church and to His messengers.
Then you've given to Him.


Even Our Lord Jesus is a giver, he gave himself to the world and much more to us! So why are you csstigating his messengers.


If you love him, obey his commandments.

@ 1st John 5:3, whose Commandments ?

@ Matthew 4:10 , Rev3:5, 12, John 7:16 who did Jesus worship?
Who did Jesus Christ says you must worship?

Janosky:

@ 1st John 5:3, whose Commandments ?

@ Matthew 4:10 , Rev3:5, 12, John 7:16 who did Jesus worship?
Who did Jesus Christ says you must worship?

you don't seems to understand the context of the Trinity. For your information we worship the Father in and through the Son. That's why if you don't worship God through Jesus then you default and this makes every other religion that secluded Jesus headed for damnation. Jesus gave commandment and is the same as the Father giving the commandment, he says a new commandments I give you, don't forget the first commandment was given by God to Moses on the Mountain, so who is Jesus to give us another commandment? He's God incarnate! That's to help you understand the relationship and correlation between him and the Father! John 13:34

And when he says love your neighbors as yourself, does he separate his church and messengers away from the love he asks you to show to your neighbors? And love is expressed in giving, so why are you against giving to His church and messengers.?

He says he that give this little one a cup of water in my name (Jesus) will in no wise loose his blessings.

So what are we saying?

You want divine blessings.? Give to the church, give to his messengers, give to the poor, give to everyone around you. Thanks.

Nephilim:
if you truly worship Jesus then you will understand that he wants you to give to the messengers (pastors) he has sent to you and also to His church.Which he has put on earth.

I believe you have the wrong Jesus Christ. You see, Jesus Christ never told you that Pastors are His messengers, and He certainly never told you to give money to His Church. That is not what He said.

Who are His apostles as far as Jesus is concerned? Every single one of His followers is an apostle as each submits to be lead/send out to accomplish the will of God as far as spreading His teaching and His Gospel. There are no special people separated by Jesus Christ for this.
As far as His Church is concerned, it comprises all those who belong to Him(His followers), and only He has authority over them. No man has any authority where Jesus Christ's followers are concerned.

Nephilim:
I can't begin to speak from personal revelations he had given me concerning giving to His church when I was of a reprobate mind like yours concerning giving to the church.

Becareful that you are not deceived by spirits pretending to be from God. For one thing, the Spirit of God will never do is lie... He is the Spirit of Truth and will never send you a message that stands in contradiction to that which Jesus Christ Himself said.
My guess is by the "church" you refer to, the buildings built by men who claim to be of God. God has called on no man to build any churches for Him here on earth and He has certainly not called His followers to give money to the goals of ordinary men. These churches are government-licensed businesses that operate on the whims of those who own them, and as stated in Jeremiah 17, only God knows what is in the hearts of men.

Nephilim:
If Jesus talked about giving then he wants you to do it, both to people around you and to his Church!

Jesus Never said anything about giving to churches or synagogues. He called on His followers to give directly to those who He has commanded them to, and that would be to neighbors (including enemies). His words are specific about what He wants from us. So trying to introduce another angle does not work because nothing is hidden about what is meant.

Nephilim:
How can you love someone without giving to them, if you love Jesus give to Him, and since you don't see Him give to His church and to His messengers.
Then you've given to Him.
Even Our Lord Jesus is a giver, he gave himself to the world and much more to us! So why are you csstigating his messengers.
If you love him, obey his commandments.

Read the verses below and learn what Jesus says you should do, as far as giving to Him. Read it and see for yourself How Jesus Christ wants you to give to Him -- giving that will earn you a place in His Kingdom in the end.

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
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31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here,[b] you also did for me.’

He wants for you to give to the poor for by doing so, you do it to Him. He did not tell you to give it to a church or pastor somewhere. For you see, there is no mystery as far as what Jesus Christ commands us to do. The problem is why do we have a hard time obeying his exact words? Why do we instead chose to obey the words of ordinary men which run contrary to what Jesus Christ stipulated?

I castigate them because they do not speak the truth of Jesus Christ at all. If you pay attention, I also point out what it is they do wrong, pretending to do so in the name of Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
I believe you have the wrong Jesus Christ. You see, Jesus Christ never told you that Pastors are His messengers, and He certainly never told you to give money to His Church. That is not what He said.

Who are His apostles as far as Jesus is concerned? Every single one of His followers is an apostle as each submits to be lead/send out to accomplish the will of God as far as spreading His teaching and His Gospel. There are no special people separated by Jesus Christ for this.
As far as His Church is concerned, it comprises all those who belong to Him(His followers), and only He has authority over them. No man has any authority where Jesus Christ's followers are concerned.
Becareful that you are not deceived by spirits pretending to be from God. For one thing, the Spirit of God will never do is lie... He is the Spirit of Truth and will never send you a message that stands in contradiction to that which Jesus Christ Himself said.
My guess is by the "church" you refer to, the buildings built by men who claim to be of God. God has called on no man to build any churches for Him here on earth and He has certainly not called His followers to give money to the goals of ordinary men. These churches are government-licensed businesses that operate on the whims of those who own them, and as stated in Jeremiah 17, only God knows what is in the hearts of men.
Jesus Never said anything about giving to churches or synagogues. He called on His followers to give directly to those who He has commanded them to, and that would be to neighbors (including enemies). His words are specific about what He wants from us. So trying to introduce another angle does not work because nothing is hidden about what is meant.

Read the verses below and learn what Jesus says you should do, as far as giving to Him. Read it and see for yourself How Jesus Christ wants you to give to Him -- giving that will earn you a place in His Kingdom in the end.

He wants for you to give to the poor for by doing so, you do it to Him. He did not tell you to give it to a church or pastor somewhere. For you see, there is no mystery as far as what Jesus Christ commands us to do. The problem is why do we have a hard time obeying his exact words? Why do we instead chose to obey the words of ordinary men which run contrary to what Jesus Christ stipulated?

I castigate them because they do not speak the truth of Jesus Christ at all. If you pay attention, I also point out what it is they do wrong, pretending to do so in the name of Jesus Christ.

hahaha this is hilarious!! Lmao. I see where you're problem is coming from, the bolded right? So every pastors in the world doesn't speak the truth of God abi? You better repent before you let that hatred send you to hell lolz