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Kobojunkie:
Ok, so you are not even a Christian so why do you care?
You don't worship the same God as they do, so what does this even mean to you?

I worship the one God who created the world not the three in one God you profess! So that makes me against your three Gods theory!

AntiChristian:
I worship the one God who created the world not the three in one God you profess! So that makes me against your three Gods theory!

What if your one God and there three-in-one God aren't even the same God?

solite3:
The Jews had limited knowledge of God that is why the messiah was promised them.
prove your references,

You quoted Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)

1. The word “God” is Elohim, which is itself a plural form and, like most other words, has more than one definition. It is used in a plural sense of “gods” or “men with authority,” and in a singular sense for “God,” “god,” or “a man with authority, such as a judge.” The Hebrew lexicon by Brown, Driver and Briggs, considered to be one of the best available, has as its first usage for Elohim: “rulers, judges, either as divine representatives at sacred places or as reflecting divine majesty and power, divine ones, superhuman beings including God and angels, gods.”

Elohim is translated “gods” in many verses. Genesis 35:2 reads, “Get rid of all the foreign gods you have with you,” and Exodus 18:11 says, “Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods.” It is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6; 22:8 and 9. It is translated “angels” (KJV) or “heavenly beings” (NIV) in Psalm 8:5. That is its plural use, and there is no evidence that anyone thought of these “gods” as having some kind of plurality of persons within themselves.

2. Elohim is also translated as the singular “god” or “judge,” and there is no hint of any “compound nature” when it is translated that way. An example is Exodus 22:20, which reads, “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the lord must be destroyed.” Another example is Judges 6:31: “If Baal really is a god, he can defend himself when someone breaks down his altar.” In Exodus 7:1, God says that He has made Moses a “god” (Elohim) to Pharaoh. Again, in Judges 11:24, the pagan god Chemosh is called Elohim, and in 1 Samuel 5:7, the pagan god Dagon is called Elohim, yet Christians do not conclude that those gods were somehow composite or “uniplural,” or that the people who worshipped them thought they were.

Exactly how to translate Elohim in 1 Samuel 2:25 has been debated by scholars. The question is whether Elohim in the verse refers to a human judge or to God. The KJV says “judge.” The versions are divided between them, some translating Elohim as a man, others as God Himself. The fact that the scholars and translators debate about whether the word Elohim refers to a man or God shows vividly that the word itself does not have any inherent idea of a plurality of persons. If it did, it could not be translated as “god” when referring to a pagan god, or as “judge” when referring to a man. The evidence in Scripture does not warrant the conclusion that the Hebrew word Elohim inherently contains the idea of a compound nature.

3. Some teach that the word Elohim implies a compound unity when it refers to the true God. That would mean that the word Elohim somehow changes meaning when it is applied to the true God so that the true God can be a compound being. There is just no evidence of this. The first place we should go for confirmation of this is to the Jews themselves. When we study the history and the language of the Jews, we discover that they never understood Elohim to imply a plurality in God in any way. In fact, the Jews were staunchly opposed to people and nations who tried to introduce any hint of more than one God into their culture. Jewish rabbis have debated the Law to the point of tedium, and have recorded volume after volume of notes on the Law, yet in all of their debates there is no mention of a plurality in God. This fact in and of itself ought to close the argument.

No higher authority on the Hebrew language can be found than the great Hebrew scholar, Gesenius. He wrote that the plural nature of Elohim was for intensification, and was related to the plural of majesty and used for amplification. Gesenius states, “That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.”

The singular pronoun is always used with the word Elohim. A study of the word will show what Gesenius stated, that the singular attribute (such as “He,” not “They,” or “I,” not “We”) always follows Elohim. Furthermore, when the word Elohim is used to denote others beside the true God, it is understood as singular or plural, never as “uniplural.” To us, the evidence is clear: God is not “compound” in any sense of the word. He is the “one God” of Israel.

4. Scripture contains no reproof for those who do not believe in a “Triune God.” Those who do not believe in God are called “fools” (Ps. 14:1). Those who reject Christ are condemned (John 3:18). Scripture testifies that it is for “doctrine, reproof, and correction” (2 Tim. 3:16 – KJV), and there are many verses that reprove believers for all kinds of erroneous beliefs and practices. Conspicuous in its absence is any kind of reproof for not believing in the Trinity.

Kobojunkie:
What if your one God and there three-in-one God aren't even the same God?

Why divert the thread in another direction? Instead of addressing the topic you are addressing me?

We only have one God who created everything that exists!

AntiChristian:
Why divert the thread in another direction? Instead of addressing the topic you are addressing me?

We only have one God who created everything that exists!

i don't like to engage in vain discussions for one. But mainly because Jesus Christ did command that we not bother with such vain endeavours.

I don't subscribe to mans doctrines, including doctrines cooked up about the Trinity so i can't help you there.

It is more interesting however, to learn about persons and to know what drives them.

Kobojunkie:
i don't like to engage in vain discussions for one. But mainly because Jesus Christ did command that we not bother with such vain endeavours.

I don't subscribe to mans doctrines, including doctrines cooked up about the Trinity so i can't help you there.

It is more interesting however, to learn about persons and to know what drives them.

Alright! Back to the topic!

AntiChristian:
You quoted Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)

1. The word “God” is Elohim, which is itself a plural form and, like most other words, has more than one definition. It is used in a plural sense of “gods” or “men with authority,” and in a singular sense for “God,” “god,” or “a man with authority, such as a judge.” The Hebrew lexicon by Brown, Driver and Briggs, considered to be one of the best available, has as its first usage for Elohim: “rulers, judges, either as divine representatives at sacred places or as reflecting divine majesty and power, divine ones, superhuman beings including God and angels, gods.”

Elohim is translated “gods” in many verses. Genesis 35:2 reads, “Get rid of all the foreign gods you have with you,” and Exodus 18:11 says, “Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods.” It is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6; 22:8 and 9. It is translated “angels” (KJV) or “heavenly beings” (NIV) in Psalm 8:5. That is its plural use, and there is no evidence that anyone thought of these “gods” as having some kind of plurality of persons within themselves.

2. Elohim is also translated as the singular “god” or “judge,” and there is no hint of any “compound nature” when it is translated that way. An example is Exodus 22:20, which reads, “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the lord must be destroyed.” Another example is Judges 6:31: “If Baal really is a god, he can defend himself when someone breaks down his altar.” In Exodus 7:1, God says that He has made Moses a “god” (Elohim) to Pharaoh. Again, in Judges 11:24, the pagan god Chemosh is called Elohim, and in 1 Samuel 5:7, the pagan god Dagon is called Elohim, yet Christians do not conclude that those gods were somehow composite or “uniplural,” or that the people who worshipped them thought they were.

Exactly how to translate Elohim in 1 Samuel 2:25 has been debated by scholars. The question is whether Elohim in the verse refers to a human judge or to God. The KJV says “judge.” The versions are divided between them, some translating Elohim as a man, others as God Himself. The fact that the scholars and translators debate about whether the word Elohim refers to a man or God shows vividly that the word itself does not have any inherent idea of a plurality of persons. If it did, it could not be translated as “god” when referring to a pagan god, or as “judge” when referring to a man. The evidence in Scripture does not warrant the conclusion that the Hebrew word Elohim inherently contains the idea of a compound nature.

3. Some teach that the word Elohim implies a compound unity when it refers to the true God. That would mean that the word Elohim somehow changes meaning when it is applied to the true God so that the true God can be a compound being. There is just no evidence of this. The first place we should go for confirmation of this is to the Jews themselves. When we study the history and the language of the Jews, we discover that they never understood Elohim to imply a plurality in God in any way. In fact, the Jews were staunchly opposed to people and nations who tried to introduce any hint of more than one God into their culture. Jewish rabbis have debated the Law to the point of tedium, and have recorded volume after volume of notes on the Law, yet in all of their debates there is no mention of a plurality in God. This fact in and of itself ought to close the argument.

No higher authority on the Hebrew language can be found than the great Hebrew scholar, Gesenius. He wrote that the plural nature of Elohim was for intensification, and was related to the plural of majesty and used for amplification. Gesenius states, “That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.”

The singular pronoun is always used with the word Elohim. A study of the word will show what Gesenius stated, that the singular attribute (such as “He,” not “They,” or “I,” not “We”) always follows Elohim. Furthermore, when the word Elohim is used to denote others beside the true God, it is understood as singular or plural, never as “uniplural.” To us, the evidence is clear: God is not “compound” in any sense of the word. He is the “one God” of Israel.

4. Scripture contains no reproof for those who do not believe in a “Triune God.” Those who do not believe in God are called “fools” (Ps. 14:1). Those who reject Christ are condemned (John 3:18). Scripture testifies that it is for “doctrine, reproof, and correction” (2 Tim. 3:16 – KJV), and there are many verses that reprove believers for all kinds of erroneous beliefs and practices. Conspicuous in its absence is any kind of reproof for not believing in the Trinity.

Elohim when as used in Genesis account actually denotes the plurality of the persons of the God head,
you can see the verse below

Genesis 1:26, KJV: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

God is referring to himself as us here, the origin and literal use of Elohim is in plural sense.

solite3:
yes
psalm 2 v 7
“I will declare the decree: The Lord hath said unto Me, ‘Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee.

Lol..funny you..are psalms prophesies?..

I will leave you to it..

solite3:
God is outside space and time but can also come into space and time, this he did through the incarnation of Jesus.
plus there are many instances where God has appeared to people in the bible, so yes God can come into space and time as he wills.

Really..?

solite3:
Elohim when as used in Genesis account actually denotes the plurality of the persons of the God head,
you can see the verse below

Genesis 1:26, KJV: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

God is referring to himself as us here, the origin and literal use of Elohim is in plural sense.

WAYO FRAUD man DECEIVING himself
Genesis 1:27, EXPOSED Your WAYO claim of Genesis 1:26..


◄ Genesis 1:27 ►

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

WAYO man, @ Genesis 1:27, "he" CREATED them". Is "He" triune? Is "He" plural?
Is "His" plural?
Can you see how Trinitarian DELUSION persists


Triune Pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS, @ Genesis 1:26, God spoke to His Son.
Hebrews 1:1-2, gives the identity of the person who Yahweh spoke to.
In Hebrews 1:1-2, God is still referenced as "He, "His".. NOT WAYO Triune

God is awesome

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The Unitarian Christians do not believe in trinity. They believe God is one and just one! So the doctrine of trinity is only a foundation to the trinitarian Christian's faith!

The term "Unitarian Christians" is an oxymoron. Therefore, it is non-existent!

madegreatbygrace:
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The term "Unitarian Christians" is an oxymoron. Therefore, it is non-existent!

How is it so? Is there any mention from Jesus regarding trinity?

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Cc Acehart

solite3:
Cc Acehart

The Trinity of God - Hmmm. Only through the scriptures can one know by divine revelation alone that God is a Unity of Three personalities. THE doctrine of the Trinity is perhaps the most mysterious and difficult doctrine that is presented to us in the entire range of Scripture. Conse- quently, we do not presume to give a full explanation of it. In the nature of the case, we can know only as much concerning the inner nature of the Godhead as has been revealed to us in the Scriptures. Natural reason can not grasped it and any explanation using natural reasoning would be subjective and filled with flaws.

When Ezekiel saw a vision of the Cherubs and the wheel that turns them, there was something unique about their movement: there was great synchronization, so much that each one knew the mind of the other and the movement of one was the movement of all. This is how super-organisms move. For instance, an ant colony: the knowledge of one ant is the knowledge of all: one ant’s movement determines the movement of the colony. When ant colonies are studied, it has been universally accepted that millions of ants move as if they were ONE ant especially during the transmission of information and reaction to danger. The faces of the Cherubs in Ezekiel’s vision were a reflection of the One who sat on the Throne of Heaven.

In the NT, we see clearly that in the act of redemption from sin, three personalities were involved. The synchronization of their contribution fits perfectly like the “wheel in the middle of the wheel” in Ezekiel’s vision.

Where many people stumble in this very difficult subject is in the meaning of the word “God”. Is God a person? Is God a title? Is “God” an attribution? Another place people stumble is in the meaning of the description “Son of God”. This subject is the greatest mystery of all and since the scriptures reveals that no one can know about God except by revelation; however, what ever one’s revelation is, it must not come in conflict with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Acehart:
The Trinity of God - Hmmm. Only through the scriptures can one know by divine revelation alone that God is a Unity of Three personalities. THE doctrine of the Trinity is perhaps the most mysterious and difficult doctrine that is presented to us in the entire range of Scripture. Conse- quently, we do not presume to give a full explanation of it. In the nature of the case, we can know only as much concerning the inner nature of the Godhead as has been revealed to us in the Scriptures. Natural reason can not grasped it and any explanation using natural reasoning would be subjective and filled with flaws.

When Ezekiel saw a vision of the Cherubs and the wheel that turns them, there was something unique about their movement: there was great synchronization, so much that each one knew the mind of the other and the movement of one was the movement of all. This is how super-organisms move. For instance, an ant colony: the knowledge of one ant is the knowledge of all: one ant’s movement determines the movement of the colony. When ant colonies are studied, it has been universally accepted that millions of ants move as if they were ONE ant especially during the transmission of information and reaction to danger. The faces of the Cherubs in Ezekiel’s vision were a reflection of the One who sat on the Throne of Heaven.

In the NT, we see clearly that in the act of redemption from sin, three personalities were involved. The synchronization of their contribution fits perfectly like the “wheel in the middle of the wheel” in Ezekiel’s vision.

Where many people stumble in this very difficult subject is in the meaning of the word “God”. Is God a person? Is God a title? Is “God” an attribution? Another place people stumble is in the meaning of the description “Son of God”. This subject is the greatest mystery of all and since the scriptures reveals that no one can know about God except by revelation; however, what ever one’s revelation is, it must not come in conflict with Deuteronomy 6:4.

John 4:24, 1 Corinthians15:40,44.
God Almighty is a spirit being, a spirit person.

*1 Corinthians15:40,44. Spirit beings exists in heaven. Human beings exists on earth.

Psalms 82:1,6. Psalms 8:5. The word 'EL' ("God" is a title for man, Yahweh, angels and Jesus. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:5-6).

G5207 (Son of God) is not in any way confusing. There is nothing mysterious about it if you stick strictly to the Bible's proof.
G5207 refers to a person born/created by the Father/parents as the case maybe.

Ephesians 4:6.Ephesians 3:14-15 &Rom11:35-36, Proverbs8:22-30, Matt3:17, Luke 9:35, John 20:17, PROVE that Adam is the son of God for the same reason that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

When you reject Bible's Truth @ Ephesians 4:6. Ephesians 3:14-15 ,Rom11:35-36, Matthew 3:17, Proverbs8:22-30 & Luke 9:35, John 20:17, you begin to forge man made mystery contrary to the holy Bible's proof.


American Standard Version, Darby Translation
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of All who is over all"

@ John 14:28, did Jesus Christ confirm that Ephesians 4:6 , Rev3:5 & John 20:17 is the truth?
Capital YES!!!!!!



2 Corinthians 11:31, Jehovah " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ knows that Deuteronomy 6:4 is NOT LYING.



Trinity scam belongs to the Sewage Tank

Acehart:
The Trinity of God - Hmmm. Only through the scriptures can one know by divine revelation alone that God is a Unity of Three personalities. THE doctrine of the Trinity is perhaps the most mysterious and difficult doctrine that is presented to us in the entire range of Scripture. Conse- quently, we do not presume to give a full explanation of it. In the nature of the case, we can know only as much concerning the inner nature of the Godhead as has been revealed to us in the Scriptures. Natural reason can not grasped it and any explanation using natural reasoning would be subjective and filled with flaws.

When Ezekiel saw a vision of the Cherubs and the wheel that turns them, there was something unique about their movement: there was great synchronization, so much that each one knew the mind of the other and the movement of one was the movement of all. This is how super-organisms move. For instance, an ant colony: the knowledge of one ant is the knowledge of all: one ant’s movement determines the movement of the colony. When ant colonies are studied, it has been universally accepted that millions of ants move as if they were ONE ant especially during the transmission of information and reaction to danger. The faces of the Cherubs in Ezekiel’s vision were a reflection of the One who sat on the Throne of Heaven.

In the NT, we see clearly that in the act of redemption from sin, three personalities were involved. The synchronization of their contribution fits perfectly like the “wheel in the middle of the wheel” in Ezekiel’s vision.

Where many people stumble in this very difficult subject is in the meaning of the word “God”. Is God a person? Is God a title? Is “God” an attribution? Another place people stumble is in the meaning of the description “Son of God”. This subject is the greatest mystery of all and since the scriptures reveals that no one can know about God except by revelation; however, what ever one’s revelation is, it must not come in conflict with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Yes the trinity can be difficult for the human mind to grasped but yet nonetheless true.
@,bolded, yes many face these questions but only an honest study of the bible would give an accurate answer.
Atleast from the bible, God is described as one being and also in more than persons.

The confusion most do face, is not realizing the difference between 'being's and 'person',
While being refers to the essence, person refers to an individualized consciousness or awareness.

That God is a trinue person is totally compactable with Deuteronomy 6v4.

Do you know that the oneness of Deuteronomy 6v4 is that of plurality rather than that of singularity?

There two words use for unity in hebrew, one is yachad which means a unity of singular person and Echad which means a unity of more than one person. Surprisingly, the word that was used for God's oneness in Deuteronomy 6v4 was Echad, giving credence like many other verses to the plurality of persons within the Godhead.

solite3:
Yes the trinity can be difficult for the human mind to grasped but yet nonetheless true.
@,bolded, yes many face these questions but only an honest study of the bible would give an accurate answer.
Atleast from the bible, God is described as one being and also in more than persons.

The confusion most do face, is not realizing the difference between 'being's and 'person',
While being refers to the essence, person refers to an individualized consciousness or awareness.

That God is a trinue person is totally compactable with Deuteronomy 6v4.

Do you know that the oneness of Deuteronomy 6v4 is that of plurality rather than that of singularity?

There two words use for unity in hebrew, one is yachad which means a unity of singular person and Echad which means a unity of more than one person. Surprisingly, the word that was used for God's oneness in Deuteronomy 6v4 was Echad, giving credence like many other verses to the plurality of persons within the Godhead.

WAYO man, after your dictionary rejected your twisting of "being" & person" , you pick race go twist Hebrew language to console yourself

I challenge you to name any Servant of Jehovah God who taught the Trinity FRAUD to the Jews

American Standard Version, Darby Translation
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of All who is over all"

@ John 14:28, did Jesus Christ confirm that Ephesians 4:6 , Rev3:5 & John 20:17 is the truth?
Capital YES!!!!!!
grin grin grin grin


2 Corinthians 11:31, Jehovah " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ knows that Deuteronomy 6:4 is NOT LYING.

Trinity scam belongs to the Sewage Tank

Janosky:
WAYO man, after your dictionary rejected your twisting of "being" & person" , you pick race go twist Hebrew language to console yourself

I challenge you to name any Servant of Jehovah God who taught the Trinity FRAUD to the Jews

American Standard Version, Darby Translation
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of All who is over all"

@ John 14:28, did Jesus Christ confirm that Ephesians 4:6 , Rev3:5 & John 20:17 is the truth?
Capital YES!!!!!!
grin grin grin grin


2 Corinthians 11:31, Jehovah " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ knows that Deuteronomy 6:4 is NOT LYING.

Trinity scam belongs to the Sewage Tank

you are the one that ran away from the question,
You should comment with your brain in your head.

Being is the essence of person
Person is the consciousness of self.

If two persons has one essence, they are one being but two consciousness (persons).

If two being has one person, that is one person in two essence.

solite3:
Being is the essence of person
Person is the consciousness of self.

If two persons has one essence, they are one being but two consciousness (persons).

If two being has one person, that is one person in two essence.

Solite3 LIENUS needs urgent emergency brain rehab
This is the very reason you dodged the question.
John 4:24 "God is a spirit".
How many person is that spirit in John4:24?

John 20:17, Jesus Christ says your SENSE was sold to Trinity Delusion

Janosky:
Solite3 LIENUS needs urgent emergency brain rehab
This is the very reason you dodged the question.
John 4:24 "God is a spirit".
How many person is that spirit in John4:24?

John 20:17, Jesus Christ says your SENSE was sold to Trinity Delusion

you are unwell, since you sense was sold to your GB Luciferian cult.

Liar, which question did I dodge.

solite3:
you are unwell, since you sense was sold to your GB Luciferian cult.

Liar, which question did I dodge.

Solite3 LIENUS.
If two being has one person, that is one person in two essence.

This is the very reason you dodged the question.
John 4:24 "God is a spirit".
How many person is that spirit in John4:24?