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atheistandproud:
I agree with Taiwosamwell

Thanks, Boss

Another front page material. I want to be like you one day.

Big ups @atheistandproud

Nice one once again op ,, u deserved to get employed by transsion company to help them a little bit lol just kidding
so my question. must app developers built app with a particular chipset source code to run the app better
for instance will an app built without a sd885 code run badly beside being a top chps

Beautiful
There are many things to know.

genius43:
Another front page material. I want to be like you one day.

Big ups @atheistandproud

See one of the people that inspire me here is setting me up

Nice write up boss. I love how those points are excellently elucidated

atheistandproud:
See one of the people that inspire me here is setting me up

Adindin knew

reigncalif1:
Nice one once again op ,, u deserved to get employed by transsion company to help them a little bit lol just kidding
so my question. must app developers built app with a particular chipset source code to run the app better
for instance will an app built without a sd885 code run badly beside being a top chps

Mostly Operating systems and some applications.

reigncalif1:
Nice one once again op ,, u deserved to get employed by transsion company to help them a little bit lol just kidding
so my question. must app developers built app with a particular chipset source code to run the app better
for instance will an app built without a sd885 code run badly beside being a top chps

No it won't.

This is where OS is important. So long as the app format is compatible with an OS. The processor should be able to run the application.

The issue now is all processors were not built equally. Even though they can run it, there are certain incompatibilities like maybe missing Instructions from the Instruction set to activate a particular code in a game or app. When Devs have this info, they can compensate by rewriting the game code to fit with the Instruction set for the particular chip.

sureteeboy:
Nice write up boss. I love how those points are excellently elucidated

Thank you sir

genius43:
Mostly Operating systems and some applications.

Baba don summarise. Respect.

atheistandproud:
No it won't.

This is where OS is important. So long as the app format is compatible with an OS. The processor should be able to run the application.

The issue now is all processors were not built equally. Even though they can run it, there are certain incompatibilities like maybe missing Instructions from the Instruction set to activate a particular code in a game or app. When Devs have this info, they can compensate by rewriting the game code to fit with the Instruction set for the particular chip.

thanks for the answer

Thanks @atheistandproud and @taiwosamwell

atheistandproud:
As much as I like the G90T, I am a photographer buff as well. I love photography as much as I love gaming.

I also need to be future proof too. It's the 720G sha. My personal opinion.

Exactly, future proof. Been holding out on the note 9s to see what xiaomi uses for RN10, if they Bleep up, RN9s it is.

Nice one Op, mediatek really tried but no devs support. RN8pro was clearly affected when users tried to even unlock bootloader to install TWRP, they encountered hardbrick.
I cant use any other chipset apart from SD.
720g all the way.

horlahwaley:
Nice one Op, mediatek really tried but no devs support. RN8pro was clearly affected when users tried to even unlock bootloader to install TWRP, they encountered hardbrick.
I cant use any other chipset apart from SD.
720g all the way.

You're very correct.

If you're not the type that like to flash custom ROMs then Mediatek Helio G90T is still an ok choice.

atheistandproud:
This topic is one that has caused a lot of debate. Not just here on Nairaland but on Facebook as well and on other platforms. I remember quite vividly in 2019, when Xiaomi (trailblazers and risk takers) offered to use the Helio G90T and promised great things from this chipset.

A lot of us tech people were skeptical. Like the Israelites, we asked "can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Well yes, actually. Something good did come out of Mediatek. Xiaomi pulled out all the stops to support Mediatek, even going as far as to obtain the source codes and publishing it to developers, adding a cooling system to the phone as well as other measures. Had it failed, both Xiaomi and Mediatek would be staring down a huge loss of revenue and investment. It turns out that it didn't. Instead, it was a huge success and has gone a long way to rebuilding confidence in the Mediatek brand name.

The 720G on the other hand is Qualcomm's answer to the G90T question. And a very good answer it has turned out to be.

Today most people are divided between G90T and SD720G. Whilst some persons have already made their decisions as to which is better, this post is for those who haven't and want to learn which is best for them. Let's take a good look at both chipsets based on the following parameters:

1. Microarchitecture
2. GPU
3. Process
4. RAM size and speed
5. Display resolution
6. Connectivity
7. Benchmarks
8. ISP (camera)

Let's kick off...

Microarchitecture

The Helio G90T is an Octa-core processor with two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.05 GHz and six power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores clocked at 2.0 GHz.
Snapdragon 720G also has two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.3 GHz but Qualcomm chose to underclock it's power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores by clocking them @ 1.6 GHz.

High performance cores are for CPU (and GPU intensive tasks) e.g photography and games. They are designed to burn through your battery. Power efficiency cores are for simple everyday tasks. They're designed to conserve battery.

What this means is that, when you are performing everyday tasks, since they both use the same A55, the G90T will be much faster as it has a better clockspeed of 2.0GHz compared to the 1.6GHz of the 720G. On the other hand, when performing CPU intensive tasks, the SD720G will pull ahead of the G90T because they both use the same A76 CPU design and the 720G has a better clockspeed of 2.3GHz as compared to the 2.05 of the G90T.

One thing to note is that the reduced speed of the A55 cores of the 720G means less battery consumption when using your phone for basic stuff as compared to the G90T but the trade off is that the G90T would be faster in a speed test comparison of every day apps.

To understand how Cortex cores are ranked (click here) https://www.nairaland.com/5820850/understanding-arm-cortex-used-building

For raw processing power, I'll give it to the 720G and it saves battery too.

GPU or Graphics Processing Unit
The G90T has the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 GPU which is clocked at 800MHz. The SD720G has the Adreno 618 which is clocked at 500MHz. This is no contest. The G90T destroys the 720G here. In gaming, the G90T will render images and graphics 13.78% faster making games more enjoyable. The Adreno 618 is no joke, it is also super fast at rendering graphics too but e and the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 no be mate at all.

The G90T takes this one.

build process
The build process is the size of the chip on which the SoC is built. A smaller SoC produces better battery consumption, less heating and (arguably) a better CPU performance.
The Helio G90T is built on an older 12nm process while the Snapdragon 720G is built of a much better 8nm process. This makes the 720G much more efficient than then G90T by a big margin as a 4nm is too big a difference in terms of the manufacturing process.

The 720G takes this one.

RAM
RAM or random access memory is a temporary store house of data for your CPU to work with. While the size of the RAM is important, what most people don't know is that the speed of the RAM is what they should look for. A slow 10GB RAM block will bog down your CPUs leading to poor performance. The RAM speed determines how fast your CPU can write data to it as well as read it to extract data while it is working.

Your CPU can also read and write to your memory card. A slow memory card will slow your phone. This is why iPhones do not use memory card. Trust Nigerians, they'll buy a cheap memory card that is slow and then they'll blame Apple.

The SD720G has a Max Memory of 8GB and Frequency (or speed) of 1866 MHz (1.8GHz). The G90T has a max Memory of 10GB and a speed of 2133MHz (2.1GHz). The both have LPDDR4x, EMMC 5.1 and UFS 2.1. Both do not support ECC memory.

Both RAMs are madly fast but the G90T takes it.

Display
Resolution can be defined as the sharpness and clarity (how clear) of an image.

The G90T supports full Full High Definition (FHD+) or 1080p while the 720G supports Quad High Definition (QHD) or 1440P.

This round goes to the 720G.

Connectivity
The G90T comes with WiFi 5 while the 720G carries WiFi 6. Obviously the WiFi 6 is better.

The G90T comes with Bluetooth 5.0 while the 720G comes with Bluetooth 5.1. Again 720G wins.

As for the modems (for internet): The Snapdragon 720G’s X15 LTE modem provides a download speed of 800 MBps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. In contrast, the G90T’s modem provides a download speed of 600 Mbps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. The 720G again.

ISP
The image signal processor is like the occipital lobe in our human brain. Your eyes can see but if your brain doesn't interpret then the eyes are useless. This is why when alcohol fogs your brain, the eyes start to see double. There's nothing wrong with the eyes but the brain don Maya. It's the same here.

The ISP coordinates all the sensors, collects images from each one and combines to produce the final result. Each SoC has a certain limit it can go.

The G90T comes with the 3x which supports Up to 24 + 16 MP dual cameras and Up to 64 MP single camera. the Snapdragon 720G comes with the Spectra 350L ISP which has support for a single camera with capabilities of shooting at 192MP (maaaaaaaaaad) and dual 22+22 set up.

For video, both record 4K ultra HD at 30FPS.

The 720 takes this one.

Benchmarks

Take note that Benchmarks are mostly concerned with CPU performance. The G90T has better benchmark scores because it has a far far better GPU and a faster RAM and even so, the score is not that far as the 720G superior CPUs will give it a run for its money.

If Gaming is your thing, the G90T wins!!!

In other aspects like display, battery consumption, heating, connectivity, camera and video. The 720G is better.

If you are looking for an all-rounder with arguably better support. Then the 720G is your go to guy.

Thank you all and Good morning

This was written at the request of Marvog and Ozemestats

I really enjoyed reading this.... weldone bro. SD all the way

Great job atheistandproud. Do you have a blog yet?

Thumbs up on the article.

Correction the Adreno 618 on the SD720G is clocked at 820MHz.

please mod super mod move this to the front page

BenDanor:
Great job atheistandproud. Do you have a blog yet?

It's almost ready.

festwiz:
Correction the Adreno 618 on the SD720G is clocked at 820MHz.

Please provide links or screenshots.

This is coming as a surprise. I thoroughly checked this morning.

atheistandproud:
It's almost ready.

Great!

atheistandproud:
This topic is one that has caused a lot of debate. Not just here on Nairaland but on Facebook as well and on other platforms. I remember quite vividly in 2019, when Xiaomi (trailblazers and risk takers) offered to use the Helio G90T and promised great things from this chipset.

A lot of us tech people were skeptical. Like the Israelites, we asked "can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Well yes, actually. Something good did come out of Mediatek. Xiaomi pulled out all the stops to support Mediatek, even going as far as to obtain the source codes and publishing it to developers, adding a cooling system to the phone as well as other measures. Had it failed, both Xiaomi and Mediatek would be staring down a huge loss of revenue and investment. It turns out that it didn't. Instead, it was a huge success and has gone a long way to rebuilding confidence in the Mediatek brand name.

The 720G on the other hand is Qualcomm's answer to the G90T question. And a very good answer it has turned out to be.

Today most people are divided between G90T and SD720G. Whilst some persons have already made their decisions as to which is better, this post is for those who haven't and want to learn which is best for them. Let's take a good look at both chipsets based on the following parameters:

1. Microarchitecture
2. GPU
3. Process
4. RAM size and speed
5. Display resolution
6. Connectivity
7. Benchmarks
8. ISP (camera)

Let's kick off...

Microarchitecture

The Helio G90T is an Octa-core processor with two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.05 GHz and six power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores clocked at 2.0 GHz.
Snapdragon 720G also has two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.3 GHz but Qualcomm chose to underclock it's power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores by clocking them @ 1.6 GHz.

High performance cores are for CPU (and GPU intensive tasks) e.g photography and games. They are designed to burn through your battery. Power efficiency cores are for simple everyday tasks. They're designed to conserve battery.

What this means is that, when you are performing everyday tasks, since they both use the same A55, the G90T will be much faster as it has a better clockspeed of 2.0GHz compared to the 1.6GHz of the 720G. On the other hand, when performing CPU intensive tasks, the SD720G will pull ahead of the G90T because they both use the same A76 CPU design and the 720G has a better clockspeed of 2.3GHz as compared to the 2.05 of the G90T.

One thing to note is that the reduced speed of the A55 cores of the 720G means less battery consumption when using your phone for basic stuff as compared to the G90T but the trade off is that the G90T would be faster in a speed test comparison of every day apps.

To understand how Cortex cores are ranked (click here) https://www.nairaland.com/5820850/understanding-arm-cortex-used-building

For raw processing power, I'll give it to the 720G and it saves battery too.

GPU or Graphics Processing Unit
The G90T has the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 GPU which is clocked at 800MHz. The SD720G has the Adreno 618 which is clocked at 500MHz. This is no contest. The G90T destroys the 720G here. In gaming, the G90T will render images and graphics 13.78% faster making games more enjoyable. The Adreno 618 is no joke, it is also super fast at rendering graphics too but e and the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 no be mate at all.

The G90T takes this one.

build process
The build process is the size of the chip on which the SoC is built. A smaller SoC produces better battery consumption, less heating and (arguably) a better CPU performance.
The Helio G90T is built on an older 12nm process while the Snapdragon 720G is built of a much better 8nm process. This makes the 720G much more efficient than then G90T by a big margin as a 4nm is too big a difference in terms of the manufacturing process.

The 720G takes this one.

RAM
RAM or random access memory is a temporary store house of data for your CPU to work with. While the size of the RAM is important, what most people don't know is that the speed of the RAM is what they should look for. A slow 10GB RAM block will bog down your CPUs leading to poor performance. The RAM speed determines how fast your CPU can write data to it as well as read it to extract data while it is working.

Your CPU can also read and write to your memory card. A slow memory card will slow your phone. This is why iPhones do not use memory card. Trust Nigerians, they'll buy a cheap memory card that is slow and then they'll blame Apple.

The SD720G has a Max Memory of 8GB and Frequency (or speed) of 1866 MHz (1.8GHz). The G90T has a max Memory of 10GB and a speed of 2133MHz (2.1GHz). The both have LPDDR4x, EMMC 5.1 and UFS 2.1. Both do not support ECC memory.

Both RAMs are madly fast but the G90T takes it.

Display
Resolution can be defined as the sharpness and clarity (how clear) of an image.

The G90T supports full Full High Definition (FHD+) or 1080p while the 720G supports Quad High Definition (QHD) or 1440P.

This round goes to the 720G.

Connectivity
The G90T comes with WiFi 5 while the 720G carries WiFi 6. Obviously the WiFi 6 is better.

The G90T comes with Bluetooth 5.0 while the 720G comes with Bluetooth 5.1. Again 720G wins.

As for the modems (for internet): The Snapdragon 720G’s X15 LTE modem provides a download speed of 800 MBps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. In contrast, the G90T’s modem provides a download speed of 600 Mbps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. The 720G again.

ISP
The image signal processor is like the occipital lobe in our human brain. Your eyes can see but if your brain doesn't interpret then the eyes are useless. This is why when alcohol fogs your brain, the eyes start to see double. There's nothing wrong with the eyes but the brain don Maya. It's the same here.

The ISP coordinates all the sensors, collects images from each one and combines to produce the final result. Each SoC has a certain limit it can go.

The G90T comes with the 3x which supports Up to 24 + 16 MP dual cameras and Up to 64 MP single camera. the Snapdragon 720G comes with the Spectra 350L ISP which has support for a single camera with capabilities of shooting at 192MP (maaaaaaaaaad) and dual 22+22 set up.

For video, both record 4K ultra HD at 30FPS.

The 720 takes this one.

Benchmarks

Take note that Benchmarks are mostly concerned with CPU performance. The G90T has better benchmark scores because it has a far far better GPU and a faster RAM and even so, the score is not that far as the 720G superior CPUs will give it a run for its money.

If Gaming is your thing, the G90T wins!!!

In other aspects like display, battery consumption, heating, connectivity, camera and video. The 720G is better.

If you are looking for an all-rounder with arguably better support. Then the 720G is your go to guy.

Thank you all and Good morning

This was written at the request of Marvog and Ozemestats

All of what you wrote is true but theoretical.
Other factors come into play that determines performance in real life experience when those chips are used in devices.

Even looking at cpu to cpu performance, their are other factors that limits performance. For example where are the wifi 6 routers, and even if you have one what's your internet bandwidth.

It's also funny to see many persons being ignorant or blank statements about what they know nothing about.

I saw a comment talking a mediatek chipsets being trash. The most basic mediatek chipset can't be produced in Nigeria and such an individual even lacks the basic understanding of electronic gates or monolithic circuits not to talk about the mathematics of operation.

Chipsets are intricate and complex activities requiring hundreds of experienced engineers from the design to testing, from converting silica which require a purity of 99.99% through photolitography to interconnects and then testing and packaging and a lot of other processes in-between.

Nigeria don't have both the human and technological resources presently for such projects. Even the US doesn't have what it takes to manufacture the iphones at present.

So what we need is education and collaboration, we need to learn the basics, and give technical basis for statements instead of copying what's on the internet because a comparison between chipsets in a country like Japan can have a different result in a place like Nigeria who's still behind in technology. For example phones with 5g, wifi 6, NFC offers no advantage to Nigeria users. In today's world however the marketing world have overshadowed everything else.

From a Nokia 110 user

nothingmore123:
All of what you wrote is true but theoretical.
Other factors come into play that determines performance in real life experience when those chips are used in devices.

Even looking at cpu to cpu performance, their are other factors that limits performance. For example where are the wifi 6 routers, and even if you have one what's your internet bandwidth.

It's also funny to see many persons being ignorant or blank statements about what they know nothing about.

I saw a comment talking a mediatek chipsets being trash. The most basic mediatek chipset can't be produced in Nigeria and such an individual even lacks the basic understanding of electronic gates or monolithic circuits not to talk about the mathematics of operation.

Chipsets are intricate and complex activities requiring hundreds of experienced engineers from the design to testing, from converting silica which require a purity of 99.99% through photolitography to interconnects and then testing and packaging and a lot of other processes in-between.

Nigeria don't have both the human and technological resources presently for such projects. Even the US doesn't have what it takes to manufacture the iphones at present.

So what we need is education and collaboration, we need to learn the basics, and give technical basis for statements instead of copying what's on the internet because a comparison between chipsets in a country like Japan can have a different result in a place like Nigeria who's still behind in technology. For example phones with 5g, wifi 6, NFC offers no advantage to Nigeria users. In today's world however the marketing world have overshadowed everything else.

From a Nokia 110 user

1. What does the fact that Nigeria doesn't produce chipsets have to do with this post?

Even in almighty Europe, they don't produce chipsets there. All chipsets are manufactured in China.

2. You are contradicting yourself by lambasting Nigeria and Nigerians only to say that the US doesn't produce chips because they're all made in China.

3. Americans don't use Mediatek phones. It's either iPhone, Huawei or Samsung. They consider it shit as well. Is that right? No. Is it their opinion? Yes. Do they have a right to hold that opinion? Of course.

4. FFS, do you realise that even the scientists at arm don't even physically built chips anymore? The whole damn process is automated with little human input. Computer generated.

5. No where in my comparison did I even mention 5G or NFC.

Oga if you have a grouse, make your own topic and write your opinion there.

So far you have made zero sense as regard the above topic. Thank you and have a nice day

atheistandproud:
1. What does the fact that Nigeria doesn't produce chipsets have to do with this post?

Even in almighty Europe, they don't produce chipsets there. All chipsets are manufactured in China.

2. You are contradicting yourself by lambasting Nigeria and Nigerians only to say that the US doesn't produce chips because they're all made in China.

3. Americans don't use Mediatek phones. It's either iPhone, Huawei or Samsung. They consider it shit as well. Is that right? No. Is it their opinion? Yes. Do they have a right to hold that opinion? Of course.

4. FFS, do you realise that even the scientists at arm don't even physically built chips anymore? The whole damn process is automated with little human input. Computer generated.

5. No where in my comparison did I even mention 5G or NFC.

Oga if you have a grouse, make your own topic and write your opinion there.

So far you have made zero sense as regard the above topic. Thank you and have a nice day

I wanted to ask what his post have in connection with topic.

As for Chipset manufacturing. The major players TSMC foundries is in Taiwan(Majorly), Then China(Bigger nodes), US(Planning to upgrade this for smaller(smartphone) nodes and Singapore (Bigger nodes).

Samsung Foundries are in South Korea(Smartphones Chipset are majorly done here) and USA

atheistandproud:
Please provide links or screenshots.

This is coming as a surprise. I thoroughly checked this morning.

It's 720MHz not 820MHz..for some reason it only comes up in comparisons..

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Adreno-618-vs-Mali-G76-MP10_9900_9038.247598.0.html

festwiz:
It's 720MHz not 820MHz..for some reason it only comes up in comparisons..

I dey fear spam bot


Lemme get the ones I worked with.

genius43:
I wanted to ask what his post have in connection with topic.

As for Chipset manufacturing. The major players TSMC foundries is in Taiwan(Majorly), Then China(Bigger nodes), US(Planning to upgrade this for smaller(smartphone) nodes and Singapore (Bigger nodes).

Samsung Foundries are in South Korea(Smartphones Chipset are majorly done here) and USA

I taya. The bros just wrote OP.

atheistandproud:
I dey fear spam bot


Lemme get the ones I worked with.

Install SoC L from the Play Store. You can get a lot of info on different chips there.

Qualcomm always tight lipped about their GPU clock speeds.