IMAliyu:
Interesting enough, you could use some stories in Islam as analogies for skepticism.

The Islamic Ibraham for example didn't blindly worship idols like his people and family. He was skeptical and smart enough to knew calling something you made with your hands, your god was dumb. He began to search for the true God, by first taking the sun, moon and stars as his god, but quickly realized they were all temporal and decided that what so ever made the world and everything and was not temporary was his God and had faith in that even if he didn't know what it was.

IMAliyu:
Interesting enough, you could use some stories in Islam as analogies for skepticism.

The Islamic Ibraham for example didn't blindly worship idols like his people and family. He was skeptical and smart enough to knew calling something you made with your hands, your god was dumb. He began to search for the true God, by first taking the sun, moon and stars as his god, but quickly realized they were all temporal and decided that what so ever made the world and everything and was not temporary was his God and had faith in that even if he didn't know what it was.

Xmuslim:
yes, I agree with you. In fact, this destroy the origin of monotheistic believe (if ibraheem ever existed). It shows that ibraheem only wanted to worship something and he knew his parent were wrong for worshiping the idol they made themselves. He used try and error methods (star, moon, sun) until he decided to worship whoever create the universe. Thus, it wasn't the person/thing that created the universe that requested worship from him, it was him that expose himself to the idea due to what he met his family doing.

So, if universe exists without creator, or the creator isn't concern with human, ibraheem was wrong too.

AntiChristian:
How many of your family members are Zombies?



Almost all except you!

Zombies rule in your family!

Ọmọ burúkú to n f'ọwọ òsì júwe ilé bàbá ẹ!

Your fams frustrating you doesn't mean you should transfer the aggression here.

whitelotus:



Faith is a personal thing. After all, the prophet Mohammed's father was not a muslim.

You cannot force your family to believe what you believe.


Please, stop resorting to childish insults.

whitelotus:



Faith is a personal thing. After all, the prophet Mohammed's father was not a muslim.

You cannot force your family to believe what you believe.


Please, stop resorting to childish insults.

AntiChristian:


What a childish response! Are you affected by the comment too?

tintingz:


He's just a tout. He doesn't contribute reasonably to a topic. Atleast some muslims here contributed reasonably without going personal.

He talks about "frustration", we can see who is really frustrated.

AntiChristian:


You choose what to believe whenever it suits your whims.
Abraham was saved from the fire! By whom?

Well, it can't be proven right and it goes against science!

But your assertion above is proven right?

sino:
@tintingz

I suggest you go through this thread again to refresh your memory and quit this false information you are parading here! While at it, read up on radical skepticism and educate yourself on Islamic approach to understanding knowledge in terms of critical thinking and deep reflections of the universe which revolutionised the scientific world!

You think the advancement in the world is based on this your daily criticism of Islam and Muslims?! I laugh in mandarin

sino:
@tintingz

I suggest you go through this thread again to refresh your memory and quit this false information you are parading here! While at it, read up on radical skepticism and educate yourself on Islamic approach to understanding knowledge in terms of critical thinking and deep reflections of the universe which revolutionised the scientific world!

You think the advancement in the world is based on this your daily criticism of Islam and Muslims?! I laugh in mandarin

whitelotus:



The main point of the thread is to point out how people believe in things without questioning them.

Many muslims do not think about their faith- they just believe in it. That is what leads to fundamentalism.

There are some muslims who question their faith. There are those who reject certain interpretations within islam- muslims who reject punishment for apostasy, reject polygamy etc

AntiChristian:


Who are you to judge what people believe or not?

sino:
@tintingz

I suggest you go through this thread again to refresh your memory and quit this false information you are parading here!

whitelotus:


I just wen through that thread and It was an eyesore. Tintingz made a good point about the perfect creator, and you muslims went to attack him rather than addressing the points.
You especially went on a witch-hunt against his scepticism, as if scepticism is a bad thing.

sino:

Congratulations!

whitelotus:





Are you trolling or what?

Tintingz, is this the childish behaviour you normally put up with?

whitelotus:


A philosopher makes observations, asks questions and lastly, makes a philosophical point- all with the guidance of logic.

That is what we are doing here. Does your belief hold up to logical scrutiny?

whitelotus:


I just wen through that thread and It was an eyesore. Tintingz made a good point about the perfect creator, and you muslims went to attack him rather than addressing the points.
You especially went on a witch-hunt against his scepticism, as if scepticism is a bad thing.

whitelotus:





Are you trolling or what?

Tintingz, is this the childish behaviour you normally put up with?

sino:


I should be asking that question, but since you are playing the sidekick, I wouldn't take you seriously...

AntiChristian:


I asked a question, how does my belief affect you?

tintingz:
Like Fela Kuti once said "Zombie O Zombie". People who follow follow without any doubt or questioning are called zombies, this zombiesm exist among Muslims.

Islam is base on faith and beliefs and you shouldn't question the belief, you must follow everything the religion said, this is similar to cultism, in fact religion is cultism.

Now the question is, should one be a skeptic or zombie?

Let's see

The great philosophers, physicists, scientists were skeptics, these people knowledge really have impacts on human civilization and knowledge, for there to be civilization and advancement in knowledge there has to be skepticism, questioning and doubts, these are the fundamental principles in science and philosophy.

Even the medieval Muslims that contributed to science were skeptics as they love the ancient Greeks works and they worked on it but at a point in history the Muslim community had problem with this ideology(as it conflicted their faith) and the era of the Muslim scientists ended, the Europeans took up this movement till date and they're far more developed today. Many modern research comes from the west, why? Because they're skeptics, they question things and do research on it.

I once argued with a Muslim(a pro zombiesm) who believes skepticism is bad and can even make one go psychotic(if I could remember), he claim being skeptic can make one insane. Well I won't say he was completely wrong, people may develop mental problems trying to figure out a problem due to overused of the brain, the brain is like an engine that needs a break too. It's well known in the medics not to over stress your brain. So does that mean we should throw away education, science, philosophy? Definitely not.
Developing a mental issue can be a family history/genetic or your life style and personality, it does not negate the benefits of being a skeptic which we can see it good results around us.

Study shows that religion is also linked to delusion, most religious people show symptoms of delusions.

So should we follow his "Zombiesm" ideology?

Let's see,

Assuming everyone follows his "zombiesm" ideology can there be any development in intelligence, knowledge, society etc? Definitely not, one will be contented with whatever he/she is indoctrinated with or taught.

For example, I told you unicorns cause the rain to fall and leprechauns makes the rainbow, I claim this is the truth, someone who doesn't question nor skeptical will just accept this as true and that's it, no doubts to propose a research, this is something he will believe and hold to even if you show him evidence.

This ideology above is very bad and shouldn't be encourage.

I watched a video today where a woman bought watermelon and it burst itself like explode(not the bomb explosion type). She then started praying and saying it's the work of her enemy. I was so curious on what could happen to the watermelon to explode itself, then I did a research and found out watermelon has "explosive gene" and another cause is the chemical used to fertilized the watermelon. I also discovered that this has happened to many people like farmers. Now if I'm with the ideology of not being skeptical, I would believe it's some kind of an enemy attack and be a superstitious zombie.

So in conclusion, the ideology of not questioning and doubting is a very bad ideology which should never be encouraged, in philosophy there's epistemology, ontology etc where it encourages questioning and being skeptical.

So should we follow skepticism or zombiesm, which ideology is good for human development?

LabuleofNigeria:


It is called "Belief" and not "Zombiesm" as you claim
No doubts, Science is great and has brought many innovation and knowledge, but science is not all (I am a researcher too).

How can your allmighty science explain what happens in the Bermuda triange ?
or lets even start with this little bottle without a single crack, pls explain this with science ? i am waiting..

tintingz:
Lol.

So what makes you think the cross wasn't put inside?

LabuleofNigeria:

Glass bottles with cross inside has no sigle cracks & opening is narrow. Use your almighty science to prove it.

Science is not all !

check this, explain using science, I work at Matori, Lagos (i was at the scene & i also took pictures)
This happened at Cappa bustop.
https://www.nairaland.com/1942520/witch-bird-turns-into-human

LabuleofNigeria:
I wont regard your post as Anti-Islamic belives or faith, because it seems to attack faiths & believes generally.

Since all you can do is to turn against beliefs and tag it as sheepishness or zombiesm in general.
Prove witchcraftry with pure science. Prove birds turning into human live with your pure science (I saw it with my eyes, i can take you to the scene).
Prove Magun with pure science.

If you cant, then swerve away with your post pls