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bigfish3k:
In aburi
Ghana president and his entourage
Gowon
Yoruba vice president
All the governor's including one for SW and another Yoruba for Lagos were there including others. All agreed and signed to this solution as the best so as to avert war.
How else do you want them to include you in the solution
You were consulted to the solutions, you accepted and later reneged and followed the way of decree 34.
You had options of following decree 34 or aburi accord but you chose decree 34.

Solution is coming together again to amend our mistakes. We cannot leave our destiny to fate as you have advocated

Like I said Gowon reneged, nothing to do with yoruba. I am not holding brief for him but if you know your history you will know it is on record Gowon did not understand the meaning of confederation. he agreed without knowing what it meant. Your problem is not with yoruba, your problem is with the North and it is largely of your own making.

DEROXMAN:
pls who died with aguiyi ironsi refusing to let him be killed alone in ibadan

And i still wonder why they said “yorubas are betrayal”.

sesan85:
"You don't know what and why igbo's find it difficult to marry OSU and Ume simply because you don't know history of the igbo cultures."
Oga save me your long, boring rambling. I don't give a hoot about the reason Igbos don't marry Osu or Ume, who are your fellow Igbos by the way. Osu culture is discriminatory and archaic, end of. No excuses.

"You talk about insult and stuff like dt you forget that its even difficult for xtain to win gubernatorial election in states like Sokoto or Kastina even if he is Fulani." Can an Igbo Muslim become a Governor in Igboland? Hello no!
Heck, it's even very difficult for an Anglican to be a Governor in Anambra State, and that's even between Igbo Christians o. Truth hurts oga.

OSU and Ume is a complex stuff which would go away with time. Its eroding away small small as of recent.

Ume is as a result of incest.
OSU is consecration to a diety.

For someone like you who does not know how spiritually inclined the igbo-man was even before the white-man came, I don't expect less.

Go and study about the Eze Nri and the Arocukwu temple then..it would do you a whole lot good....

Obj be the god Eze talk about.

isthatso:
Like I said Gowon reneged, nothing to do with yoruba. I am not holding brief for him but if you know your history you will know it is on record Gowon did not understand the meaning of confederation. he agreed without knowing what it meant. Your problem is not with yoruba, your problem is with the North and it is largely of your own making.

My problem with you is why did you join to fight igbos. Gowon reneged
The VP was a Yoruba
SW governor a Yoruba
Lagos governor a Yoruba

These ones understand. Do you think the north would have been able to defeat the igbos if you were neutral or at worst speak truth to Gowon

You shouldn't have joined to fight us

abu12:
he is saying the truth. IBO's are wicked to themselves and they don't accommodate other religion and tribes. most IBO's come to north, even after the civil war, and they make their money. they go back home with their money and come back with their younger brother's to make money also.

but, they can't allow a northerner to breathe in IBO land. how many northerner or southwest have you heard of or seen making it big in IBO land? if southeast is conducive for other tribe , those doing business there will invites their brother's to come. but the revised is the Case. they will rubb u off.

You are a liar. The Igbos are accommodating. Once you are legitimately doing business there.

bigfish3k:
My problem with you is why did you join to fight igbos. Gowon reneged
The VP was a Yoruba
SW governor a Yoruba
Lagos governor a Yoruba

These ones understand. Do you think the north would have been able to defeat the igbos if you were neutral or at worst speak truth to Gowon

You shouldn't have joined to fight us

Biafran troops fought against Nigerian forces comprising of all ethnicities except Igbos.
Why blaming the Yorubas and saying they should've remained neutral as if that is possible, just like saying blacks in the US army to remain neutral in a particular battle for some reasons.
How is that possible when the troop has only one commander?

ChimaAdeoye:
Arthur Ezeh,

ONLY GOD CAN MAKE ANYONE A PRESIDENT. WHETHER THEY ARE IGBO OR IGBIRA!

What he was emphasizing is that the Igbos would've to go an extra mile unlike others because the Igbos(read Igbo and Kanu) have been destroying the bridges of friendship between Igbos and the rest of the country because of the incessant insults, name calling, curses etc they heap on others.

abu12:
he is saying the truth. IBO's are wicked to themselves and they don't accommodate other religion and tribes.

Where do you guys get such insane drivel from, because an old foggy, in support of the north because he made money there now speak for all Igbos?
Be wise and look around you sir.

Kindledlight:
And i still wonder why they said “yorubas are betrayal”.

they are foolish I wonder who can do that among their stingy and greedy brothers who can do anything for money

Noted,is he osu?!

The man just hit the nail on the head. 85 percent of the easterners don't like themselves due to wealth dominant mentality. An average man from the region will never allow is relative not to talk of person from another state within the region to out shine in corporate working office, business assistance and uplifting the less previlage financially without enslaving them. Me always on top of position and money dominance than others are the major problem. Go to top multinational companies and see how they pulling each others leg and never want any young vibrant fellow to grow in job career like them unlike westerners and northerners help their own to various job positions, the main reason they dominate every organization most especially multinational oil companies, IT companies and government jobs in this country.

Loving and uplifting each other within the region really need to be address by their leaders.

bigfish3k:
Dafts can't see clearly but
We can see clearly those who are our stumbling block because of the fear of staying without us

staying without you kwa? We are okay without you sir

LordNicvuitton:
Are you this daft? A yoruba Idiot is taking you for a ride & you're busy explaining to him.. since you've been doing the explaining stuff, did it change his utterance? And you're still humiliating yourself. Sorry for you.

Igbos should learn to know that Yorubas can never be happy with any positivity from Southeast, the earlier the better. The solution? Match them, hate for hate, evil for evil, blood for blood, simple.

People that call you 2nd class citizens, people that encourage other tribes to hate you, people that laugh in your face over 3 million civilians, mostly women & children that died during the un-civil war, people that put division between the various southern groups using their press, people that hate your progress and wish that you don't progress in their land while their people are in your land and all over other people's countries, na dem you want explain give? F.uck you & ur explanations, I don't care what southwest thinks about Southeast, they add no value to my life and I honestly don't care about Nigeria either. F.uck y'all.

Hmnm take it easy on me naa
I understand your point. I noticed all the abuse but decided to look away. Maybe I became too civilized not to abuse him back
What you said is the truth about them.
They keep running round a circle and be claiming intelligence and sophistication.

I still don't understand why a people can be so crafty, hateful and supportive of evil on others and always speak with both sides of their mouth.

They only get joy when they see evil.
I will take your type of stand. They are evil, it's now I believe the notion that they are children of the fallen demon

Abdulmujeeb52:
staying without you kwa? We are okay without you sir

Yes, you proved it in 1967 war that you can stay without us
Yorubas were fighting for igbos to go

j1mmy:
You are a small pikin.
I usually don't bother with primates but occasionally I make an exception.
IGBOs are 18% of Nigeria''s population but account for majority of the crimes involving Nigerians GLOBALLY!
The information comes from Interpol and international logs of crimes involving Nigerians. It also comes from NAFDAC, NDLEA, Diaspora organisations and Nigerian foreign missions.
For over 50 years IGBOs made money from drugs, fraud, fake good and contraband. What they never discuss is the price Nigeria is paying in the international community in reputation, trust, diplomacy and ability to attract legitimate businesses as individuals and as a nation.

IGBO people have a way of denying the obvious by describing it as tribalism and prejudice. It does not work with me sorry!

If you want to do something, take your campaign to Ndigbo and help stop the IGBO crime culture, it is not only affecting IGBOs but everyone with a Nigerian passport!

Nigerians are docile and ignorant people on topics like this but what they will not do is easily elect an IGBO president., they will not vote and support a person who cannot help cleanse the IGBO crime culture before trying to rule the entire country!

Easy na ! it's too much

bigfish3k:
Yes, you proved it in 1967 war that you can stay without us
Yorubas were fighting for igbos to go

You know what . Take a chill pill and don't be blurred emotionally. @isthatso has said a lot of things concerning your beloved tribe which I will like you research on. I don't have the energy to argue. stay blessed.

bigfish3k:
Thank God you admitted a little damage on your people but I don't think you know the scale of damage done you will know when it's too late.

Don't go and look for how to soar highest
Be using igbo tribe to be measuring the level of progress attained by your tribe and be saying that you are better off

We are all in this mess together. Your tribe person is advertised on the internet in Lebanon as "a slave for sale ' for $1k

I think you should stop using that poor woman’s case because she went for greener pasture just like your tribesmen also do but unfortunately find herself in that position.Even as a respected professional looking for greener pastures you can be caught in the web of job racketeering and Scam.Please that does not add up at all.

isthatso:
Everybody is damaged, thats the price of association with Ibos it is the nature of the ibo man, look at the way you have spolit lagos bringing the filth of Aba to places like festac, Amuwo etc. ikeja. Everything in the market is fake because you are the ones controlling commerce. iI things dont go his way (and things must always go his way for there to be "peace" ) otherwise he will scatter everything for everybody. The North warned the British before independence they didnt want to be a part of Nigeria thats why our independence came in 1960 not 1956, it was Zik that inisted that they must be part of Nigeria and delayed independence so he could lord over the north because he thought he could manipulate the North not knowing that these people are masters at politics and have had an organised society long before the British.. But we are less damaged than you or the North. We didnt cause the damage, you did. there is no better exampple of cutting your nose to spite your face than the ibo man. The difference between the SW and the SE is that you are the ones who use your own hands to cut your throats and then you start start crying blaming onlookers and looking for sympathy!!!

The system left by the British ensured no region could dominate the other, Awo offfered Zik parntership, he offerred to be a junior partner to ZIk. Zik refused because he thought Northerners were fools. instead he agreed to be a junior partner to the north. When he realsised he couldnt manipulate the North, he and his cohorts staged a coup while he was convinientley away of EXTENDED leave. Now some stupid people are talking about SW joining ibos against the North...you are jokers!!!! only a fool allies with the ibos politically

I think this your comment summarized everything you guys have been arguing.When it does favor me,then it is ok and fine BUT when it does not then it is “i no go gree” we want to go . I wonder why some people don’t even know what they really want?

Dikebuka:
OSU and Ume is a complex stuff which would go away with time. Its eroding away small small as of recent.

Ume is as a result of incest.
OSU is consecration to a diety.

For someone like you who does not know how spiritually inclined the igbo-man was even before the white-man came, I don't expect less.

Go and study about the Eze Nri and the Arocukwu temple then..it would do you a whole lot good....

I don't need to study anything oga. Stop being discriminatory towards so-called Osu people, end of. No excuses.

bigfish3k:
Hmnm take it easy on me naa
I understand your point. I noticed all the abuse but decided to look away. Maybe I became too civilized not to abuse him back
What you said is the truth about them.
They keep running round a circle and be claiming intelligence and sophistication.

I still don't understand why a people can be so crafty, hateful and supportive of evil on others and always speak with both sides of their mouth.

They only get joy when they see evil.
I will take your type of stand. They are evil, it's now I believe the notion that they are children of the fallen demon

We are normally open minded accommodating people. The facts speak for themselves...why are all of you in the SW and prospering without hinderance? We are the only region in Nigeria that accommodates others and allow them the same rights and benefits as indigenes. However the actions of your people since 2015 have opened our eyes to the true nature of your hearts. We aren’t falling for it anymore. You can only be open to people who don’t wish you well and Barbour hidden hate and resentment. Let Everybody bear his fathers name!!!

sesan85:
I don't need to study anything oga. Stop being discriminatory towards so-called Osu people, end of. No excuses.

You are not Igbo at all....I am really wasting my time with you...

Kindledlight:
I think you should stop using that poor woman’s case because she went for greener pasture just like your tribesmen also do but unfortunately find herself in that position.Even as a respected professional looking for greener pastures you can be caught in the web of job racketeering and Scam.Please that does not add up at all.

You are right but just highlight an example of the level of deterioration that we have sunk into, and it's getting worse every day. Just to let that guy that said that it's only igbos that are suffering in Nigeria and not his tribe therefore he is happy

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bigfish3k:
You are right but just highlight an example of the level of deterioration that we have sunk into, and it's getting worse every day. Just to let that guy that said that it's only igbos that are suffering in Nigeria and not his tribe therefore he is happy

The problem with you people is that you are too emotional and you argue and take decisions based on emotions. Where did I say it is only Ibos that are suffering? Where did I say I am happy? I challenge you right here to quote the posts and show how what I said equals what you just wrote. I said we are suffering less than the other regions and I said we are prepared to wait to the inevitable natural end of Nigeria rather than embark on causes that have have been checkmated from the start.

Argue on facts not emotion you people are too emotional. You hear only what you want to hear. This is another example of what I have been saying throughout this thread.....you cannot get along with a Ibo man unless you agree with his way and only his way. I am responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for how you choose to interprete it to suit your agenda.

You are too emotional and not strategic, that’s why you always lose in politics and play second fiddle

You never hear what the other person is saying because you are o ly focused on your own agenda. that is why there is always conflict with you and you never learn and therefore improve your relationships with others.

All you’ve done is reinforce the stereo type of I before others that you people are known for.

Masters of lies and propaganda.... that’s why nobody trusts you and nobody take you seriously

If the Igbo's ever had a shot at Presidency before, Nnamdi Kanu and his audio country "Biafra" ruined that chance. I won't even vote an Igbo man as President, you never know when he'll wake up and split our the country.

Abdulmujeeb52:
You know what . Take a chill pill and don't be blurred emotionally. @isthatso has said a lot of things concerning your beloved tribe which I will like you research on. I don't have the energy to argue. stay blessed.

All that @isthatso said are not true and logical but well known propaganda by your tribe against the igbos that you people held for long that are not true
He was evading logic in his answers but promoting rantings

nobleswazzy:
If the Igbo's ever had a shot at Presidency before, Nnamdi Kanu and his audio country "Biafra" ruined that chance. I won't even vote an Igbo man as President, you never know when he'll wake up and split our the country.

Division from the igbos :
Yorubas greatest fears

bigfish3k:
All that @isthatso said are not true and logical but well known propaganda by your tribe against the igbos that you people held for long that are not true
He was evading logic in his answers but promoting rantings

You are a complete f**l. I asked you to show where I said yorubas are not suffering and that we are happy, You haven’t answered!!

You hear what you want to hear because the Ibo man does not want to hear anybody or indeed interested in anybody but himself. Again I say this is why Ibos are the only tribe that anywhere they go be it north, SW, Ghana, South Africa, Thailand, China, Singapore, there is always problem.

I am still waiting for you to show the world where I said those things or else know in your heart that maybe we do have a point. You don’t listen to anyone that isn’t in agreement with you. Ibo and conflict are like 5 and 6.

isthatso:
You are a complete f**l. I asked you to show where I said yorubas are not suffering and that we are happy, You haven’t answered!!

You hear what you want to hear because the Ibo man does not want to hear anybody or indeed interested in anybody but himself. Again I say this is why Ibos are the only tribe that anywhere they go be it north, SW, Ghana, South Africa, Thailand, China, Singapore, there is always problem.

I am still waiting for you to show the world where I said those things or else know in your heart that maybe we do have a point. You don’t listen to anyone that isn’t in agreement with you. Ibo and conflict are like 5 and 6.

I stopped answering you because I noticed that you are not a forward thinking person but a ranter.

Summary of what we discussed :
I agreed with you that zik and ironsi bleeped up
Ojukwu with Gowon remedied the bad situation at aburi

Gowon reneged on the agreement to avert war and the war eventually broke out.
Your people who were part of the agreement and are aware of the defaulter still went ahead to fight on the side of the defaulter
That fight against the aburi accord killed the solution to the problem that was created by zik and ironsi

My submission :
Igbos bleeped up through zik and ironsi
Igbo remedied the situation through Ojukwu/Gowon aburi accord
Yorubas bleeped up by joining hand to kill the solution
If you people have good minds as you always claimed you shouldn't have joined hands to kill a solution

I have agreed with you that zik and ironsi bleeped up so I don't understand your reasons for still using them as your ranting posture. They are past tense now and no longer valid. So you people have no moral right to accuse them when there is a solution in front which you don't want to subscribe to because you believe it is not your tribe that is suffering it that is why I was highlighting the Nigerian in the Lebanese slave saga to let you know that we should all join hands for a solution and not keep on talking about the mistakes of zik and ironsi while ignoring the solutions at aburi which your people fought

You killed a solution so that you can continue talking about the creators of the problems which is what you have been doing since we have been chatting
This is what I mean by backward thinking which you embodied