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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:39pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Really ?? Show me proof !! Quote one reliable person , anybody , a reputable historian or a traditional ruler from itsekiri land . Just one !! I will wait. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:43pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: There are three distinct points in that comment. Which one particularly do you need me to quote a source for? And if I do will you be able to sleep tonight? 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:43pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:I'm still waiting oh |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:44pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:The third one |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:48pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:I'm still waiting ogbeni |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:50pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Is it that difficult to find?? .....liar !! Afonja pig !! Any assertion I make I back it up with facts and logic. You have been running your mouth since saying rubbish now it's time to prove your assertions you are nowhere to be found. Idiot!! |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:51pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: Smiles.. The Lagos account makes it clear that Ashipa (the first king of the present dynasty) is an Awori chief from Isheri, not an Edo. In relation to the Lagos account on Ashipa’s identity, Robert S. Smith in his "Kingdoms of the Yoruba" writes on page 74 that: “Ashipa [is] an Isheri chief … (like Ogunfunminire and the Olofin before him) of the Ife royalty". 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:51pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Yes I will sleep. Give me facts from reliable sources . |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:54pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Ashawo !! This is not what we are arguing about. Give me facts. You claim agbor people pay homage to alaafin of Ife . Give me prove now !! Or forever accept that the binis have a greater history in pre colonial times than the yorubas. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 12:20am On Jul 17, 2020 |
prezeus: prezeus: prezeus: prezeus: prezeus: TAO11 prezeus: As a reminder, the three points -- of which you've requested evidence for the third -- are as follows: (1) The Olu of Warri is called Ogiamen. (A) Quoting word-for-word from Professor S.A. Akintoye's "A History of the Yoruba People" who in turn quoted from the Isoko born Professor Obaro Ikime as follows: "Some of these umale moved away, but the rest stayed and accepted Iguniwa as their king, and so the kingdom of Ode-Itsekiri came into beign. Now, umale ... is, as would be remembered, the generic name that all Yoruba people call the earliest earth spirits and deities worshipped by all Yoruba. ... According to Obaro Ikime, "The Benin court may have been bilingual for some time after the coming of the Ife prince (that is Oranmiyan) and ... therefore the royal party from Benin may have spoken Yoruba as well as Edo." If this was so, then a group which spoke the Yoruba language (though also speaking Edo) would be quite easy for the pre-existing Yoruba settlers to accept. The Ode-Itsekiri kingdom that thus emerged later absorbed into itself various linguistic and cultural elements -- Edo, Urhobo, Ijo. Nevertheless, its language has remained recognizably Yoruba -- proof, no doubt, of the predominance of Yoruba elements in the kingdom throughout its history." -- Reference: S.A. Akintoye "A History of the Yoruba People", 2010, p.104. (B) Moreover, the reigning Olu of Itsekiri is reported to have uttered the following words of appreciation just after the ascension of the reigning Ooni of Ife: "All Royal fathers present led by His Imperial Majesty, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi, the Ooni of Ife, who defied all permutations to personally attend the coronation, barely a few days after he himself ascended the ancient throne of our father Oduduwa." https://enewsnigeria.com/ooni-of-ife-ogunwusi-ascended-our-father-oduduwas-throne-olu-of-warri/ Cheers! 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 12:53am On Jul 17, 2020 |
The 1st attached screenshot below shows our exchanged comments that caused me to then reply you with the following words: Smiles.. And then all you could muster as a reply is: prezeus:Now, with this evasive comment of yours, you've obviously admitted the fact that the 'Lagos Island' dynasty traces back to a Yoruba man named Ashipa, and not an Edo. (A) Now, regarding my claim about the Agbor kingdom which you have attempted to save face with, consider the 2nd attached screenshot below which I have culled from Professor S.P. Blier's "Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, C. 1300", (2015), p.8. showing the Agbor monarch within the inner chambers at Ife when he showed up to pay homage during Olojo. (B) Moreover, your statement; to the effect that if Agbor didn't pay homage to Ife then your wish that Benin is greater than Yoruba becomes proven; is as dumb as arguing that if Chinese don't have Jollof, then that proves Benin is greater than Yorubas. No other Edo could have had it dumber than this. 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by ykalhaji(m): 1:04am On Jul 17, 2020 |
RuggedSniper: No, I am an Awori man and not an academic. I just have a deep seated curiosity in my history. About the Igala centricity of my post, please understand that I also said the Igalas came from Lake Chad area(Today's Borno(Kanuris) who are originally from the heart of the Sudan. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by AlabiJ: 6:59am On Jul 17, 2020 |
SaintLucia: It seems English comprehension is your problem. Eweka's father is Oranmiyan. Eweka is not the father of all Benin people, he was just a king from Oranmiyan bloodline. Benin people were already in existence with a separate culture and language before Oranmiyan (a Yoruba) arrived and subsequently had Eweka that later established the post-Ogiso obaship system. Oranmiyan himself left Benin in anger because of cultural differences. I am yoruba myself but honestly some Yorubas like yourself can be very ignorant and annoying. I don't understand what you seek to gain by trying to impose your ethnicity on others. Makes no sense. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by SaintLucia: 7:17am On Jul 17, 2020 |
AlabiJ:The koko of the matter be say u are one of the grandchildren of Oranmiyan if u are Bini. Go and ask your people why the Bini choose the title OBA for their monarch. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by babaireti(m): 2:20pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
Great work, bravo |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by ZKOSOSO(m): 2:37pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
donstan18:May your days be long...! He who the gods are in love with has little Chance.......! |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by RuggedSniper: 4:02pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
ykalhaji:^^^OK ykalhaji... Thanks for the feedback. You can visit the over 9-page NairaLand thread of IgalaSchool (on Igala language etymology and origins). NOTE: The current Attah of Igala in a 2018 Saturday Punch article entitled: "I AM THE ONLY ATTAH OF IGALA WITH ONE WIFE" (Google it), the Attah said Igala is a fusion of migrants who moved along the River Benue from Wukari (Jukun, Taraba axis), plus some Yorubas and Edos, etc. He said IFA is always consulted before a new Attah of Igala becomes a king! 2. An Ebira elder on FaceBook also posted that Ebiras are directly related to Igalas, and that Igala is a mixture of: EBIRA KOTO+AKPOTO YORUBA. Ponder that. All the best! Cc: TAO11 |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by macof(m): 4:23pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
TAO11: Gbam! Bini settlers in foreign lands sending remittance tribute to the oba of Benin doesn't mean Benin controlled those lands as some sort of imperial power The most apparent case I was exposed to of this was Lagos 2 Likes |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 4:51pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
macof: Thanks macof. Please share the information regarding the Lagos case whenever you have the chance to. It is irritating that in this age, the average layperson still can not fathom the basic idea that the historical relationship between two kingdoms will naturally have at least two sides to narrate it. For example, many people are unaware of the fact that there is, what is known in academia as, the "Lagos account" which identifies Ashipa as an Awori prince, of Ife royal descent, from Isheri. Usually, whenever there was some historical relationship between Benin and another kingdom, most layperson often assume that there is only one side to the story --- namely: the Benin/Wikipedia side to the story. No people, two kingdoms are involved. And it almost always turns out that the two sides do not even agree on certain aspects of the story. Cheers! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by lee818(f): 1:09pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
sesan85: Get off my mention again we Esans do not speak or bear yoruba names. What is all these nonsense trying to force Edo to be yorubas ! Please face your culture and we face ours! If you still trying to go on Benin conquered ondo and lagos! Hence the names you put up there. Also dude do your freaking geography Esans are uromi, ekopma, ubiaja, emu, irrua, etc where the Bleep did you see usen! Please run along afonjas! |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 3:06pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
sesan85: Lol. Take it easy on them, ẹdákun-dábọ̀. Comprehension seems to be a scarce 'commodity' at their end. Àwọn alágbárí gbígbẹ. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by sesan85(m): 4:44pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
TAO11:Lol, they're very annoying ni jare. 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by IAMPhoenix007(m): 9:10pm On Jul 24, 2020 |
Wale03: Your are quoting the wrong person sir, I didn't mention Edo. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by IAMPhoenix007(m): 9:34pm On Jul 24, 2020 |
sesan85: You make me laugh, though the Ana ife people are of yorubas extraction, they don't speak Yoruba & it will be wrong to call them yorubas. And not everyone on nairaland is ipob, though born & bred in naija, I'm a togolese. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by IAMPhoenix007(m): 9:38pm On Jul 24, 2020 |
Check again sir, they might be of yoruba extraction but they don't speak the language. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TheCork(m): 11:50pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
Abebelinus: Hello. Please can we go n talk about sexxxx in romanse section? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by Maxberg(m): 5:01pm On Dec 05, 2021 |
sesan85: Fathia Williams popularly or formerly known as "Fathia Balogun". She got her surname changed because she got married to a yoruba man "Saheed Balogun". Fathia is a full blooded urhobo lady from Agbon kingdom, Ethiope East LGA local area of Delta state where I am from. Please don't dish out false information. |
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