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Kobojunkie:
Again, you claim the soul = spirit and body... so, where does strength come from? Obviously it cannot be from the spirit because according to you, the spirit component is already a part of the soul referenced in the verse.
I believe this to be a simple English comprehension issue. Please go back, re-read and carefully digest what you said and what I have posted in response so you can understand that throwing in more bolts into the mix is not going to make this go away.

cornelboy:
Without the spirit (or breath of life), one will be lifeless and dead. It's the spirit that gives one life and animates him.
So the strength comes from your living body.

Kobojunkie:
Again, you need to carefully examine your own assertions...
The verse from Deuteronomy suggested that you worship God with your Soul and Strength i.e. Soul + Strength
But according to your Soul(Spirit + Body) + strength
So, since the Soul condition already captures both the spirit and body of man, what does 'strength' there refer to?

cornelboy:
1. People have the believe that when a person dies, his soul goes to Hell fire (the wicked and unsaved). But the Bible says Jesus himself went to Hell, but did not see corruption because he was raised up on the third day by God.

When Jesus was about to die, he said, "Father unto your hands I commit my spirit".

You see that when the spirit left him what remained was lifeless body or "dead soul". The spirit or breath of God is what gives us life.

Acts 2:27 refers to Jesus; "Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption".

Jesus was raised up to life, indeed his body did not see corruption or decay, his soul was not left in hell.

cornelboy:
Most of the time you know, Jesus spoke in parables.
a. "Killing the body" symbolizes the first death.
b. "killing the body and soul" symbolizes the second death.

cornelboy:
2. Yes, I could say "dead soul", but became living soul.

Truvel:
D Body, D Spirit & D Soul. E.g D Body Is Just Like D Clothes We Put On. D Spirit Is Like Our Body While D Soul Comprises Of Our Thoughts, Emotions Or Feelings Dat Gives D Sense Of Awareness.

shadeyinka:
I know that you people do not like looking at the text of Christs words if it conflicts with your official church position.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me rephrase the above scripture according to your theology and lets see
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul body . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul body and body in hell.

For your sake, lets assume that the above scripture is a parable, Does this scripture make any sense as amended above?

In other words, the BODY is not the same as the SOUL of man. The scripture makes sense only as Christ has presented it.
The SOUL is that which gives the BODY life. If man can kill the SOUL of man, what make them different from GOD apart from resurrection?.



Cant you see that you've just contradicted yourself with the use of the conjunction AND meaning that the Body is different from the soul.

Using your "parable theory", Adam was created in a Second Death state which technically should be nonexistence/annihilation. If dead soul is lifeless, it cannot be different from the first death?

Your conjectures seem to be breaking down on scrutiny.

shadeyinka:
I know that you people do not like looking at the text of Christs words if it conflicts with your official church position.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me rephrase the above scripture according to your theology and lets see
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul body . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul body and body in hell.

For your sake, lets assume that the above scripture is a parable, Does this scripture make any sense as amended above?

In other words, the BODY is not the same as the SOUL of man. The scripture makes sense only as Christ has presented it.
The SOUL is that which gives the BODY life. If man can kill the SOUL of man, what make them different from GOD apart from resurrection?.



Cant you see that you've just contradicted yourself with the use of the conjunction AND meaning that the Body is different from the soul.

Using your "parable theory", Adam was created in a Second Death state which technically should be nonexistence/annihilation. If dead soul is lifeless, it cannot be different from the first death?

Your conjectures seem to be breaking down on scrutiny.

shadeyinka:
I know that you people do not like looking at the text of Christs words if it conflicts with your official church position.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me rephrase the above scripture according to your theology and lets see
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul body . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul body and body in hell.

For your sake, lets assume that the above scripture is a parable, Does this scripture make any sense as amended above?

In other words, the BODY is not the same as the SOUL of man. The scripture makes sense only as Christ has presented it.
The SOUL is that which gives the BODY life. If man can kill the SOUL of man, what make them different from GOD apart from resurrection?.



Cant you see that you've just contradicted yourself with the use of the conjunction AND meaning that the Body is different from the soul.

Using your "parable theory", Adam was created in a Second Death state which technically should be nonexistence/annihilation. If dead soul is lifeless, it cannot be different from the first death?

Your conjectures seem to be breaking down on scrutiny.

shadeyinka:
the SOUL gives the body life.

cornelboy:
Ezekiel 18:
20 The soul who sins is the
one who will die.
Pls what does SOUL means here

cornelboy:
You know, I love to follow what the scriptures say, if you have any insight from the scriptures, share it here. Your welcome. I love using the Bible to explain the Bible.

shadeyinka:
The scripture Mt10:28 is so simple. You wont want to look at it simply because it conflicts with what your church teaches: nothing more

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

1. Human beings can kill the body
And this the the maximum that a human being can do against us
2. Only God has the power to kill the body AND thereafter also deal with his soul
3. We should therefore not be afraid of human beings who are limited in the harm they can cause us.
4. Of course the Soul is different from the Body else the scripture above is meaningless.

Some human beings are fond of explaining away a scripture with unrelated scriptures just to retain their illusions.

cornelboy:
what do you think it is

shadeyinka:
Bad question!
For God so loved the World....Jn3:16
Love not the World nor the things in it...1 John 2:15
Do the two World mean exactly the same thing?

According to Jehovah's witness doctrine is there just one synonym for SOUL?
Let me help you by giving you just one out of the several definitions of Soul
The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (neʹphesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.​—Exodus 4:​19; Judges 9:​17; Philippians 2:​30.

cornelboy:
from Gen. 2:7, could you affirm that the SOUL gives the body life

cornelboy:
Lol, man was just dust before God breath into him.

cornelboy:
I understand you now.
It means you agree that, the word soul used here, "kill the body and soul" is a synonym for life or breath of life or spirit. While the soul used at Ezekiel 18:20 and Gen. 2:7 means "being" or one's whole self

Generally, soul which is nephesh in Hebrew means a "being or creature".

cornelboy:
how do you think God will kill a soul
I want you to explain Gen 2:7.

cornelboy:
Ezekiel 18:
20 The soul who sins is the
one who will die.
Pls what does SOUL means here

cornelboy:
I understand you now.
It means you agree that, the word soul used here, "kill the body and soul" is a synonym for life or breath of life or spirit. While the soul used at Ezekiel 18:20 and Gen. 2:7 means "being" or one's whole self

Generally, soul which is nephesh in Hebrew means a "being or creature".

cornelboy:
What is the soul? Webster' Dictionary gives the following
definition. "The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as
immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible
to happiness or misery in a future state." In most cases people
will understand the soul through this definition. But, as I have
so often stated, our interpretation of Biblical words should be
from a Hebraic perspective, not a modern western
perspective.
The Hebrew word translated as "soul" is the word nephesh
(Strong's #5315). If we look at the various ways in which this
word is translated in an English translation, such as the KJV,
we will see a wide variation in its interpretation. Some of these
translations include; soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature,
body, dead, desire, man, appetite, lust, thing, self, beast,
pleasure, ghost, breath and will. What exactly does this word
mean?
I had always assumed that only humans had a soul, but it
was during a study of the word "soul" many years ago that I
discovered that translations often influence how we interpret
Biblical concepts. In Genesis 2:7 we find that man is a "living
soul" and in Genesis 1:21 we find that animals are "living
creatures". When I first started using a concordance to look up
the original Hebrew words I was amazed to find out that these
two English phrases were the translations of the same Hebrew
phrase - nephesh hhayah. Why would the translators translate
nephesh hhayahas "living soul" in one place and "living
creatures" in another? It was this discovery that prompted me
to learn the Hebrew language.
In the Hebrew mind we are composed of multiple parts. The
body is the flesh and bones, the vessel. The organs are
viewed as the seats of thought (the heart), emotion (the
kidneys), intuition (gut), etc. The breath is ones character, what
makes a person who they are.
The soul is the whole of the person, the unity of the body,
organs and breath. It is not some immaterial spiritual entity, it
is you, all of you, your whole being or self.

PastorAIO:
This is part of the problem of reading the bible in the wrong language. I’m genesis what was breathed into Adam was Nephesh, not Ruach. There are so many different words that are translated as soul in the bible.

In New Testament the word translated as soul is Psyche.

Is Psyche nephesh? That is a debate that is yet to be had by those who are experts. If the nephesh goes back to god when a person dies then why does the psyche that Jesus talks about not do so? After all we hear of souls in hell.

Kobojunkie:
I can believe that Nismat is the spirit inside of man, for I am of the mind that it was originally a direct extension from the Spirit of God into man in the beginning.
And if the spirit of man is a piece of God's own Spirit that resides inside of man from the beginning, then it is separate from that which really is man

cornelboy:
I understand you now.
It means you agree that, the word soul used here, "kill the body and soul" is a synonym for life or breath of life or spirit. While the soul used at Ezekiel 18:20 and Gen. 2:7 means "being" or one's whole self

Generally, soul which is nephesh in Hebrew means a "being or creature".

shadeyinka:
No Sir! Killing the body is different from killing the soul.
Only God can kill/destroy the soul.
Humans can only kill the body

Nephesh in Hebrew means several things depending on its context
1. Person/People
2. Being
3. Heart/Mind
4. Personality
5. Inner being
6. Creature
7. Soul
8. Life

Dictionary Definition
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
synonyms:
psyche · inner self · inner being · essential being · pneuma · anima · ego · id · ka · atman
a person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
"in the depths of her soul, she knew he would betray her"
synonyms:
spirit · psyche · (inner) self · innermost self · (inner) ego · inner being · [more]
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
"their interpretation lacked soul"
synonyms:
inspiration · feeling · emotion · passion · animation · intensity · fervour · [more]
black American culture or ethnic pride.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
"he was the soul of discretion" · [more]
synonyms:
embodiment · personification · incarnation · epitome · quintessence · [more]


18 Just as her life was slipping away* (for she was dying), she named him Ben-oʹni,* but his father called him Benjamin.*+

Please check out:Gen35:18 below: the Nephesh leaves the body

Kobojunkie:
Where is the source of this?

shadeyinka:
According to JW doctrines, does the word soul have only one synonym? Please read Gen35:18 and tell me that the word Nephesh means Person
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/35-18.htm

shadeyinka:
According to JW doctrines, does the word soul have only one synonym?
Please read Gen35:18 and tell me that the word Nephesh means Person

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/35-18.htm

sonmvayina:
Psalm 104 :29-31.. Send forth your spirit and they will be created.. And replenish the face of the earth..

Whose spirit??

cornelboy:
but you should have know earlier that the nephesh I was talking about is a person or being, which make my initial post valid and biblical.
Mind you I'm not a JW.
Yeah, really the soul in Matthew 10:28 means life or spirit.