₦airaland Forum

oyatz:
You have just buttressed my points.

*There are some clans that aren't ancenstrally related to the Nris but nevertheless accept the Igbo identity because they have the right to do.

*There are groups like Ikwerres and Ekpeyes who speak similar languages like Igbo but aren't ancenstrally related to the Nris and reject the Igbo tag because they have the right to do so.


Issues like this happens all over the world because ethnic groups are man-made creations and it's always difficult to decide where one ethnic group ends and where another one begins. For example,

Mangawa & Kanuri
Ogiri-Mangogo & Yoruba

Akoko-Edo &Edo& Yoruba

Igede & Idoma

Yujin:
Lol. What makes Kalabari to be Ijaw? Do they speak like Ijaws from Bayelsa? What about the Andonis? Do an Ijaw from Bayelsa understand him when he speaks? Yet you can call all of these groups Ijaw but want to call Ikwerres something else from Igbo. It is that same similarity that connects Kalabari to Ijaws in Bayelsa that connects Ikwerre to other Igbo clans.

Yujin:
Oh so you know this yet you still occasionally accord some confused people from certain quarters cook up rubbish about Ukwuani here? All the Igbo clans will be referred to as Igbos by me until a referendum is done and they vote against Igbo consensus. Thereafter their fate will be sealed. Until then, certain elements no matter how influential they be will not make me reject the whole clan. Not to talk of the many serpents here from the Wastelands camouflaging as members of those clans. I won't pay attention to all those.

nengibo:
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Kalabari, Andoni and other Ijaw subgroups in Rivers don't deny being Ijaw, I'm an Ijaw from Rivers state, Bayelsa itself is a recent creation from Rivers state

vicenzo:
Some persons from.these groups deny being Ijaw. We know this.

Nembe and Epie/Atissa people also rejected the Ijaw tag.

mrvitalis:
DNA would show u where u come from. It's no big deal

nengibo:
So men like Timipre sylva, Diete Spiff , Edmond Daukoru are not Ijaw, which kind careless capings be that,
Even some persons from Ngwa, Ndoki, Abriba that are within core Igbo states reject the core Igbo

Dedetwo:
This is identical scenario when Urhobo lost Warri to Itsekiri for good.

WarriFirstSon:
Where in Warri did Urhobo lose to Itsekiri for good? Where did the word Warri origin from? Whose land was first refer to Warri? Don't come online to deceive people and cause problems. If you are ignorant, die with it. Don't feed the gullible public with lies.

nengibo:
So men like Timipre sylva, Diete Spiff , Edmond Daukoru are not Ijaw, which kind careless capings be that,
Even some persons from Ngwa, Ndoki, Abriba that are within core Igbo states reject the core Igbo

Cyberterror:
ikwerre people have told you they are not Igbos. Let them be. If you can go into ikwerre land especially obioakpor and sit among them to tell them that they are Igbos to their faces rather than online muses, come back here and give your testimony. Otherwise it is better to keep quiet and stop embarrassing the Igbo race.

bigpriik:
Yoruba man

Drsnives:
Am ukuwani man.. you bloody big prick

bigpriik:
Speak the language
Ginu bu afa gi?

Yujin:
Lol. What makes Kalabari to be Ijaw? Do they speak like Ijaws from Bayelsa? What about the Andonis? Do an Ijaw from Bayelsa understand him when he speaks? Yet you can call all of these groups Ijaw but want to call Ikwerres something else from Igbo. It is that same similarity that connects Kalabari to Ijaws in Bayelsa that connects Ikwerre to other Igbo clans.

IkwerrePikin:
I doubt if you are Etche because as a Rivers man from Ikwerre, i know and have etchie friends who know their history which is not related to Igbo.

If you are truly etche then you’re a disgrace to etchie people. You went to the university in Lagos, instead of you to form your cultural group, you decided to join igbo cultural group. The etches in Rivers state universities do they have their own cultural group or join the igbos? Of course they have their own cultural group in Rivers state universities but yet you went to Lagos to betray your people that is why i doubt if you’re truly Etche.

Another thing is that, you lack true history. If you don’t know your history, then you don’t know where you come from, and that is your problem.

Ikwerre,Ekpeye, Ogba and Etche people are not Igbos and have never been Igbos.

nengibo:
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Kalabari, Andoni and other Ijaw subgroups in Rivers don't deny being Ijaw, I'm an Ijaw from Rivers state, Bayelsa itself is a recent creation from Rivers state

bigpriik:
Speak the language
Ginu bu afa gi?

Afam4eva:
This is not entirely through. I've met with a handful of people from Kalabari that don't like being referred to as Ijaw though not in the same energy that an Ikwerre would deny being Igbo. There are also tons of people from Bonny and Opobo that don't like being referred to as Ijaw even though Ijaws refer yo them as such.

vicenzo:
This is nonsense write up. Ogori mangogo has Yoruba components just as ethnic groups like Ugep, Okirika, Kalabari, Andoni, etc have Igbo components. But they have evolved independent language mixed with other ethnicities far more in proportion than few things they borrowed from Igbos, so Igbos don't claim them.

No linguist or anthropologist ever grouped the Ogori Mangogo as Yoruboid, let alone Yoruba.
They have never been claimed by the Igbos, not for once.

Stop obfuscating issues this Yoruba man. The Ikwerre Igbo issue in Yoruba land would have been perfectly mirrored by Ijebu vs Yoruba issue, if not for the emergence of Awolowo as Yoruba leader.
And if Yoruba ever fight war against Nigeria, the Ikwerre issue can be repeated with the Aworis as the target group.

SaintBishop:
I'm half kalabari how come I have never meet such people,( as you Igbos always claim) don't you think it's strange?

Afam4eva:
I guess you've met every Kalabari person in the world. I've not met a lot of Kalabari people but few of the ones i met tend not to like being grouped as Ijaw. But they're not forceful or violent about it the way an Ikwerre person would be when referred to as Igbo. Infact, they may not mind it but have something to say about it just like how someone from Asaba may not totally say they're not Igbo but are not so keen on being called Igbo.

SaintBishop:
Ok. So what do they like being called?

Afam4eva:
I guess you've met every Kalabari person in the world. I've not met a lot of Kalabari people but few of the ones i met tend not to like being grouped as Ijaw. But they're not forceful or violent about it the way an Ikwerre person would be when referred to as Igbo. Infact, they may not mind it but have something to say about it just like how someone from Asaba may not totally say they're not Igbo but are not so keen on being called Igbo.

Graysons:
Kalabari, Okrika bonny and co are all ijaws people oga.

vicenzo:
Yes! Because some of us realized long ago that these groups have nothing really game changing to offer SE in Nigeria and post Nigeria.
We figured out that the more you try to argue these things with them, the more they get a feeling and false sense of importance.

We also figured out that these groups especially the Ikwerre are only going to be a liability to us as far as our long term objectives are concerned. Now I am not going to say why we think so here. But I will let you figure it out yourself.


Let me ask you?

What would Ikwerre accepting they are Igbo do for Ndiigbo?

They don't have quality human resources in Ikwerreland.

Their crude oil is about the least in quantity in Rivers state. Its meagre
They don't have sea access, as you would still need to pass through Ijaw controlled rivers to get to the Atlantic from Ikwerreland. An option we already have at Obuaku Ndoki Abia state.

Ikwerre has only one modern city, PH, which is shaping into another Jerusalem, because they now share this city with Okirika, who are aligned to Izons. Post Nigeria disintegration, PH will burn from clashes between the two if they don't find a common ground.
Ph on its,own is a third world city not better than what we have in.SE which we share with no one.
Do we really what to be involved with Ikwerre mess in PH when we can devote our time and effort at better things?


I see nothing to gain from Ikwerre and other Igbo denials by Ndiigbo. Really nothing.
If I have my way,all Ikwerre persons would all be banned and expelled from all Igbo associations, whether they accept Igbo tag or not. And open hate directed towards them as a retaliation whenever they exhibit Igbophobia, by orientation of our people towards such goal.

Afam4eva:
You have comprehension issues. I never said they were not Ijaws. I was only stating that there are some Kalabari people that i've met that don't like being called Ijaw.

mrvitalis:
Oga DNA analysis would show u your tribe ...it's no big issue

oyatz:
There is no DNA that is exclusive to a particular tribe.

The most appropriate thing is that certain DNA components are more common among certain tribes in varying percentages.

The DNA profile of Ijaws will be more similar to that of the Ogonis and Ikwerres than that of Bachama people of Adamawa State.

Oghene1st:
It is obvious that you are a fool. But if Okpe person tells you he is Okpe and not Urhobo, he is not political but truthful abi. This guy you be dead sperm wey form.

Afam4eva:
This is not entirely through. I've met with a handful of people from Kalabari that don't like being referred to as Ijaw though not in the same energy that an Ikwerre would deny being Igbo. There are also tons of people from Bonny and Opobo that don't like being referred to as Ijaw even though Ijaws refer yo them as such.