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How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by BackllGodNaija: 10:47pm On Jul 25, 2020
How God Created Light Before The Sun: The Answer To An Atheist's Question

I saw a thread sometime ago where a question about this was raised I suppose by an atheist in a bid to ridicule the Biblical account of creation, and ultimately God the Creator. Although it may have appeared to some, including the Op as a very brilliant and intelligent question which bolsters the argument being made against God, however once sighting it, I thought it was as unintelligent and ignorant as they could possibly come, since the answer to the question was right there in the same place in the Bible from whence the question was drawn.

So if the person who raised the question was really that intelligent, he should have also been able to derive the answer to the question from the same Biblical account given of creation, hence there'd be no need for the public display of his ignorance.

That's what happens when someone tries to use his limited knowledge to draw conclusions from things which transcend its scope.

Without further ado let's go back to the Biblical account of creation where the question emanated to get the answer on how God created light before the sun.

Genesis 1:2-3
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Please take note of the precedent before the light came into existence because that's where many miss it, and once that happens, it's hard to get it right anywhere else. I also heard some attribute the light that was at this point to the glory of God's presence, but the above instance rules that idea out, because if God Himself was the light, He wouldn't have had to command light to be before there was light. Moreover God was said to have seen the appearance of light that He had brought into existence on Earth as a good development.

Genesis 1:4-5
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Now from the above passage it could be observed that it was only after God had divided the light He created from the darkness before anything such as day and night came into existence, and that those were the respective names God gave to the light and darkness after He'd divided them. It also showed that the division was time based, in other words the light and darkness were divided to occur at different intervals, which set the stage for the first ever evening and morning and consequently the first full day on Earth
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by BackllGodNaija: 10:48pm On Jul 25, 2020

So from the first ever day on Earth, we proceed to the day the sun was made which was said to be the fourth day.

Genesis 1:14-15
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.


The above instance was basically why I advised for the precedent of the first day before light was, to be noted, because God said a similar thing here as He did on that occasion, and it again happened as He had said which could make it to be really confusing and difficult to reconcile. Hence the need to note the precedent because that's what distinguishes between the two instances, for then the precedent was absolute darkness, but in this case a new precedent had been set, which is that "there was light'.

Also while at first it was "let there be light", in this instance it was "let there be lights" to show that while the 'light" at the beginning was called into existence out of nothing, "lights" in this instance was called forth out of something...and it was out of that light that God already created in the first day out of nothing, that God called forth the lights that He made on the fourth day, for that light of the day 1 was the source of all the other lights that God made on day 4.

Moreover the lights which God made on this occasion were specially designed according to the respective purposes they would serve, which made it possible for there to be a variety of lighting patterns, forms and sizes to enable for the marking and distinguishing of seasons, years, leap years and so on. Remember prior to this development, it was just straightforward night (full darkness) and day (full light) every day with no real difference, but the different kinds of lights brought about many possibilities such as that of a day to be brighter than another, a night to be darker than another, and that of a longer day and shorter night and vice versa etc.

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by BackllGodNaija: 10:49pm On Jul 25, 2020

Genesis 1:16-19
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


So this was where the sun came into the picture. It was the greater light that God made to rule over the day, while the moon which was the lesser light was made to rule over the night, therefore the night was no longer total darkness for it now had its own light. And God also made the other lights called the stars which we see at night also.

Lastly, someone else brought up an argument of the moon not being a light as it was called in the above passage, but only a reflection of light, but I assumed that the person couldn't comprehend what it meant to be a lesser light than the sun. Perhaps the person should just try and remove the moon from the sky first, if that's what it'd take for him to understand how the moon itself is a light.

A lesser light could mean the reflection of a greater light, just as Jesus was the greater light of the world, while His disciples who were a reflection of His light, were also said to be light of the world.

For there to be the possibility of having a light that would suit the idea of providing light for the night and still retaining the darkness, it had to be the reflection of a greater light. And that was exactly what God made the moon to be in the beginning.

I think these answers should suffice for those asking such questions concerning the biblical account of the light(s) that God made in the beginning.

God bless Nigeria.

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Nobody: 11:01pm On Jul 25, 2020
You sabi Bible.

Good for you o.
The issue Na to apply am for our life no be to know am

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by BackllGodNaija: 8:29am On Jul 26, 2020
Mathscum:
You sabi Bible.

Good for you o.
The issue Na to apply am for our life no be to know am
The issue is neither to sabi Bible nor to apply it in your life, but to know the Truth and walk in the Truth. I know the Truth and walk in the Truth, but do you?

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by ublight: 8:38am On Jul 26, 2020
Sir i like your zeal, however it is without knowledge.
Apostle Paul and John already explained genesis 1. What are u even saying?
Read the epistles well oga.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by DropsMic(m): 9:06am On Jul 26, 2020
Hmmm
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Nobody: 9:25am On Jul 26, 2020
BackllGodNaija:
The issue is neither to sabi Bible nor to apply it in your life, but to know the Truth and walk in the Truth. I know the Truth and walk in the Truth, but do you?
I know the truth but I don't work in it,.
The spirit is eager but the flesh is weak
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by kingxsamz(m): 9:27am On Jul 26, 2020
Please tell us how God stopped the Sun and the moon as stated in the Bible. undecided
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Inteltower: 9:28am On Jul 26, 2020
thanks for that revelational truth you just shared.
I read that part of Genesis few days ago and I was amazed that there was a light before the sun.

your write up gave further insights and the stack truth

God is great as even the lay man would understand brilliant work

the stupidity of atheist I don't get

let's just keep preaching & teaching the gospel.
edifying ourselves and sharing this light of truth abroad

God be praised
Christ be praised
Holy spirit be praised

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Inteltower: 9:29am On Jul 26, 2020
Mathscum:
I know the truth but I don't work in it,. The spirit is eager but the flesh is weak

you need to try bro and never relent

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by FatherOfJesus: 9:34am On Jul 26, 2020
You come up with this when you failed basic physics and biology in school.

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by FatherOfJesus: 9:38am On Jul 26, 2020
Inteltower:
thanks for that revelational truth you just shared.
I read that part of Genesis few days ago and I was amazed that there was a light before the sun.

your write up gave further insights and the stack truth

God is great as even the lay man would understand brilliant work

the stupidity of atheist I don't get

let's just keep preaching & teaching the gospel.
edifying ourselves and sharing this light of truth abroad

God be praised
Christ be praised
Holy spirit be praised
Dude, the only source of light in the solar system is And has the sun. No history ofofny other light.

why not read a little more of biology and physics texbooks to help you know that you can't create a sun after a plant. That wasn't how I created it, whoever wrote the bible was high on alomo

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by obonujoker(m): 9:42am On Jul 26, 2020
Thanks for this insight...

Nairaland hungry atheists will keep getting dumber daily grin

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 9:45am On Jul 26, 2020

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 10:02am On Jul 26, 2020
kingxsamz:
Please tell us how God stopped the Sun and the moon as stated in the Bible. undecided

Errrrm, by STOPPING it, how else?
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 10:07am On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:
Another unintelligent defense!

There is no significant difference between what happened on the first day of creation and the fourth day .

Except God made a mistake on the first day, why repeating what he has already done?

On first day...he created light and separated it from darkness. Then called the light day and darkness night.


Then fourth day created another two lights which he also named day and night.

How does this add up?


For we know that majority of the light that reaches earth comes from the sun. And at night, the light from the moon is a reflection of the sun's light.
There is another type of light which is the light of stars which is insignificant to us.


Now my question to the original poster, where is the light God created on the first day if the sun (the light responsible for Day and night) was created on 4th day?




The Bible does not say that the sun or moon were created on those days. If i recollect, it says they were made. They were assigned or re-assigned as it were. Do the remainder math.

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 10:14am On Jul 26, 2020
Image123:


The Bible does not say that the sun or moon were created on those days. If i recollect, it says they were made. They were assigned or re-assigned as it were. Do the remainder math.

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 10:25am On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:


You seem more confuse than him.


Now read: Genesus 1:14-16

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


Pls pay attention to verse 16.

Then explain to me the difference between "made" as used here and how it differs from "create"

You should rather pay attention to this verse.
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The word "created" is deliberately used in verse one and conspicuously missing from the passage you quoted. Also see the below.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Create is more of origin and first time. Made as used in the verse is to assign or delegate. This is kindergaten, i hope you guys don't disturb me further on this simple stuffs.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 10:33am On Jul 26, 2020
Image123:


You should rather pay attention to this verse.
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The word "created" is deliberately used in verse one and conspicuously missing from the passage you quoted. Also see the below.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Create is more of origin and first time. Made as used in the verse is to assign or delegate. This is kindergaten, i hope you guys don't disturb me further on this simple stuffs.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 10:42am On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:



Now take a look at verse 16

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


Read the last sentence and understand it.

"HE made the stars also"


How does this mean assigning or delegating?


Sorry sir you dont twist English language to defend the bible.

Made as used here doesn't mean delegate or assign.

Synonyms that fit into that verse include form and create

Delegate or assign doesn't fit in

There is no twist here. The Word for create is "bara" while made is "asah" Asah means to appoint. Do a simple study.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Inteltower: 10:51am On Jul 26, 2020
FatherOfJesus:
Dude, the only source of light in the solar system is And has the sun. No history ofofny other light.

why not read a little more of biology and physics texbooks to help you know that you can't create a sun after a plant. That wasn't how I created it, whoever wrote the bible was high on alomo

so sorry for yourself. please what's the nature of light and darkness and why do they exist.

if I start asking you questions regarding your own body you won't be able to explain.

I just can't my time on you. keep believing in your foolishness that everything happened by a big bang or chance.

one more thing.

close your eyes and what do you see ?

and what sees the thing that you see ?

maybe day and night had am agreement for there to be time and seasons on earth.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 10:53am On Jul 26, 2020
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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 11:09am On Jul 26, 2020
Inteltower:


so sorry for yourself. please what's the nature of light and darkness and why do they exist.

if I start asking you questions regarding your own body you won't be able to explain.

I just can't my time on you. keep believing in your foolishness that everything happened by a big bang or chance.

one more thing.

close your eyes and what do you see ?

and what sees the thing that you see ?

maybe day and night had am agreement for there to be time and seasons on earth.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 11:48am On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:


The arguement is simple and straight except you wanna tell us those who translated made errors. Now read from verse 25-27.

I want you to look at verse 25 and 26 and tell me how the words "make" and "made" means assign or delegate?

Then proceed to verse 27 and compare to were the word " create" was used.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

i have clearly shown you that two different words are used in the account, and that with purpose. You should do well to ask nicely instead of shifting goalposts up and down. We are talking about the sun and the moon and how the Bible does not say they were created but MADE(appointed). Man was created and appointed. Everything basically was made, because they have purpose. God appointed them or made them for a specific purpose. So there is nothing strange about God making(appointing) beasts, plants, and whatever else. there is no error in translation. It is your questions that birth the explanations of the words(original).
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 11:54am On Jul 26, 2020
Image123:


i have clearly shown you that two different words are used in the account, and that with purpose. You should do well to ask nicely instead of shifting goalposts up and down. We are talking about the sun and the moon and how the Bible does not say they were created but MADE(appointed). Man was created and appointed. Everything basically was made, because they have purpose. God appointed them or made them for a specific purpose. So there is nothing strange about God making(appointing) beasts, plants, and whatever else. there is no error in translation. It is your questions that birth the explanations of the words(original).

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by sotall(m): 11:57am On Jul 26, 2020
Image123:


i have clearly shown you that two different words are used in the account, and that with purpose. You should do well to ask nicely instead of shifting goalposts up and down. We are talking about the sun and the moon and how the Bible does not say they were created but MADE(appointed). Man was created and appointed. Everything basically was made, because they have purpose. God appointed them or made them for a specific purpose. So there is nothing strange about God making(appointing) beasts, plants, and whatever else. there is no error in translation. It is your questions that birth the explanations of the words(original).

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Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by FatherOfJesus: 12:21pm On Jul 26, 2020
Inteltower:


so sorry for yourself. please what's the nature of light and darkness and why do they exist.

if I start asking you questions regarding your own body you won't be able to explain.

I just can't my time on you. keep believing in your foolishness that everything happened by a big bang or chance.

one more thing.

close your eyes and what do you see ?

and what sees the thing that you see ?

maybe day and night had am agreement for there to be time and seasons on earth.
Bros, no other light source in the solar system other than the sun.

Why do you want to me to regret humans including stupiiid people like you who can't comprehend simple optical physics? You want to tell multiple fallacies to make sure that whatever you believe seem true.

Why not use the brain I gave to you to research the truth?
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by kingxsamz(m): 12:35pm On Jul 26, 2020
Image123:


Errrrm, by STOPPING it, how else?

Please, explain logically how the Sun and the Moon can be stopped.
Are they moving around the earth? grin
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 12:40pm On Jul 26, 2020
kingxsamz:


Please, explain logically how the Sun and the Moon can be stopped.
Are they moving around the earth? grin

When you finally have a legitimate child, you will understand that requests do not need to be 'logical' to be understood or approved.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 12:44pm On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:


Stop shifting the meaning of words in the bible to suite your unintelligent narrative.


In verse 26 " it says let us make man in our image" . It didn't say create.

Then in verse 27 it says " So God created man in his own image".

I am quoting this verses to prove to you that the word made as used in the bible means to create or form.

It is very evident in verse 26.


Except there is another way to understand your own bible

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Apparently you forgot this verse in less than 6 hours or you have selective amnesia. God created and made. These are not a play of words or joke, they are words with meaning and differences in the original.
Re: How God Created Light Before The Sun - jesusjnr by Image123(m): 12:45pm On Jul 26, 2020
sotall:


It is your tiny brain that invented the meaning of the word " made" to mean appointed.

Why not use same reasoning for Genesis 1 vs 26?

Use your big brain to get a Bible dictionary or versions of the original.

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