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Empiree:
First of all thank you very much for bringing this up. You see, at least you are close to my point but guy, your problem is lack of basic knowledge of Arabic alphabet. If you have this basic knowledge you would have noticed the second transliteration is wrong. Very wrong. It has not to do with Qur'an. This is why I keep telling you to stick to original Arabic text. Transliteration and translation are not revelation.

Both Hafs and Warsh you posted are the same in their original Arabic text. Now, both transliterations you posted are wrong phonetically but the first Hafs you posted is more proper. In order to pronounce the exact word in Arabic with it's tajweed, it is not I as written in ibadu. Instead it is in i:e ain. It is difficult to explain to you because you do not have basic knowledge of Arabic alphabet like you do in English language.

So it is transliteration that these oyinbo people capitalized on. That's why they are lost. Now look at screenshot for Divine Arabic Quran in the same sura you posted. You see it is the same "ain" used for both and they mean the same thing.

So both start with same alphabet. Tell me what difference you see from warsh and Hafs below?.

So "Inda" transliteration you got from God knows where is wrong. It should be ibadu at least.

So usually we write ibada, ibadu for easy pronunciation. Not everyone can pronounce the letter 'ain'


So "Inda" you posted had nothing to do with warsh either. It is genuine typographical error by transliterator

Salaam Alaykum...
The guy you quoted is deliberately posting rubbish that does not exist..
No need to explain things to him.
Here is the context and translation of the ayah quoted.
What he posted does not even got with the verse at all.

Empiree:
Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. When you are ready to get serious let me know. Anyone can read any translations to convert to Islam. That's not the problem we are dealing with here. But we must reiterate that whatever translation they read before converting is not Quran but translation of the meaning. Qur'an is one version in Arabic. The moment it is translated from Arabic Quran to any other languages it is no longer Quran but translation of the meaning.

So I asked you, please bring different Quran from different places and write out same Ayah from them and you realize it is all the same because that's how it is revealed. Text does not change. It is exactly as it is preserved from Divine Tablet. Pronunciation may differ due to dialects but text are the same. Variances that you are talking about is translations.

So please finish your assignment before you return here. Thank you

You are a liar , the word Muslim was even mentioned 39 times in the Qur'an.
So we've been Muslims since the day Allah almighty perfected our religion.

Alhajiemeritus:
You are a liar , the word Muslim was even mentioned 39 times in the Qur'an.
So we've been Muslims since the day Allah almighty perfected our religion.

lol.. You quoted wrong person

Alhajiemeritus:
Salaam Alaykum...
The guy you quoted is deliberately posting rubbish that does not exist..
No need to explain things to him.
Here is the context and translation of the ayah quoted.
What he posted does not even got with the verse at all.

walaikum Salaam.

You mind him. I know what he's doing and I finally grabbed him by his wrists when he quoted transliterations of the verse. He doesn't want original Arabic text. That's a red flag.

Remember his mentors are what he posted in the videos like David Wood, Sam Shanoon and company.

Empiree:
lol.. You quoted wrong person

.
I'm sorry.
Don't mind me.
The guy really pissed me off.
Telling blatant lies.

Empiree:
walaikum Salaam.

You mind him. I know what he's doing and I finally grabbed him by his wrists when he quoted transliterations of the verse. He doesn't want original Arabic text. That's a red flag.

Remember his mentors are what he posted in the videos like David Wood, Sam Shanoon and company.

I still do not know his intention.
But we will always be ready for him and his ilks

Alhajiemeritus:
I still do not know his intention.
But we will always be ready for him and his ilks

Alhajiemeritus:
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I'm sorry.
Don't mind me.
The guy really pissed me off.
Telling blatant lies.

Its alright. I know. I know him to certain extent

Empiree:
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You have a good day, buddy. I have presented original Arabic text for those transliterations you posted. I have every right to rebuke transliteration if it doesn't portrays exact Arabic tajweed.


Here it is again, the word Ibadu Rahman. There first screenshot is the Arabic letter in question and it sounds like this 'ain'. Every learned Muslim knows how letter ain is used at the beginning, middle and end of a word or sentence. You will need to enroll in Arabic class and stop copying White man rubbish on social media.

If you believe there is no original Arabic Quran as existed in the time of prophet muhammad (saw) then present us different Arabic Quran if you are truthful?

I know that you love to confuse issues so that you can come back later and claim that you've won the argument.

But let me make it easy and clear. You have Hafs version of the Koran. And you have Warsh version of the Koran. There are others but let's focus on these two we've been on. Both of these are written by Moslems. Not non-Moslems. Do these two versions of the Koran exists? Yes! Are there differences in the two? Yes!

The verse I pointed out is DIFFERENT in both of them.

I noted that the screenshots you posted ARE NOT the same. You have not addressed that. Instead you are being disingenuous by turning to some other things. After all you were the one who posted the screenshots. It was not the white man who posted it. You did.

Tell us how those two are NOT different. Stop all this rigmarole. They are Arabic: are they not? Striking through my post does nothing to answer my questions.

Again, how are the two screenshots I responded to the same? The Arabic has strokes and marking. Use them to explain to us. Deal with that CLEARLY first before bringing up other issues.

How do you want me to explain or address things when you don't even know simple arabic alphabet and your argument is based on translation and transliteration?. Quran was revealed in arabic not english translation or transliteration. These White guys you quoted usually studied arabic and they know arabic alphabet but some of them deliberately misguided folks like you. My advise for you is to enroll in a madrasa and learn at least basics of arabic language and how to join arabic letters, how to identify them at the beginning, middle and end of a sentence and how to use them in a sentence. This is basic thing i learned from my grandfather at age of 6. You are not too old to go back to arabic school my friend.

sagenaija:
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I know that you love to confuse issues so that you can come back later and claim that you've won the argument.

But let me make it easy and clear. You have Hafs version of the Koran. And you have Warsh version of the Koran. There are others but let's focus on these two we've been on. Both of these are written by Moslems. Not non-Moslems. Do these two versions of the Koran exists? Yes! Are there differences in the two? Yes!

The verse I pointed out is DIFFERENT in both of them.

I noted that the screenshots you posted ARE NOT the same. You have not addressed that. Instead you are being disingenuous by turning to some other things. After all you were the one who posted the screenshots. It was not the white man who posted it. You did.

Tell us how those two are NOT different. Stop all this rigmarole. They are Arabic: are they not? Striking through my post does nothing to answer my questions.

Again, how are the two screenshots I responded to the same? The Arabic has strokes and marking. Use them to explain to us. Deal with that CLEARLY first before bringing up other issues.

Empiree:
How do you want me to explain or address things when you don't even know simple arabic alphabet and your argument is based on translation and transliteration?. Quran was revealed in arabic not english translation or transliteration. These White guys you quoted usually studied arabic and they know arabic alphabet but some of them deliberately misguided folks like you. My advise for you is to enroll in a madrasa and learn at least basics of arabic language and how to join arabic letters, how to identify them at the beginning, middle and end of a sentence and how to use them in a sentence. This is basic thing i learned from my grandfather at age of 6. You are not too old to go back to arabic school my friend.

Your brother who commented a few posts up said he was pissed off.
That shows the typical reaction of Moslems to questions on islam they are unable to defend.
You have shown the same inclination.

You keep going to "white guys", "oyinbos", etc.

The issue is not about them.

You keep talking about going to Arabic school. Is it to go and cram Arabic like many of you did but end up unable to use it appropriately? If you had to explain those texts to a deaf and dumb through an interpreter how would you do it? Is it to ask the deaf and dumb to first go to school? If you cannot simply explain this short texts don't you see that all your Arabic schooling has benefited you nothing?

Your scholars are telling you that there are "holes" in the narrative you people held as to the preservation of the Koran. Instead of looking at what they mean you deny them and criticise us for pointing out problem areas in the Koran.

I gave a verse of the Koran. Actually part of a verse. You posted the ARABIC. All I said is that I can see that the two Arabic text you posted ARE NOT THE SAME.

It does not take rocket science to see. Does it?
So, show us from the strokes and markings in those two texts you posted how they are the same.

sagenaija:
. All I said is that I can see that the two Arabic text you posted ARE NOT THE SAME.

It does not take rocket science to see. Does it?
So, show us from the strokes and markings in those two texts you posted how they are the same.

everything you said is irrelevant. This is all I care about. Now tell us how the two are not the same?. Kindly tell us the difference since you are now Arabic guru?. Please do. Thanks

Empiree:
everything you said is irrelevant. This is all I care about. Now tell us how the two are not the same?. Kindly tell us the difference since you are now Arabic guru?. Please do. Thanks

The onus is on you to prove me wrong because you brought up Arabic in the first place.

But it is clear to any person looking at those two texts to see that they are not the same. Since you're unable to bring them to English for us and are hiding behind 'Arabic' we can only leave you with your foly.

Remember I asked you if the Arabic word for 'slave' is the same as the Arabic word for 'with' but you carefully dodged that my challenge. That would have settled the matter wouldn't it?

sagenaija:
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The onus is on you to prove me wrong because you brought up Arabic in the first place.

But it is clear to any person looking at those two texts to see that they are not the same. Since you're unable to bring them to English for us and are hiding behind 'Arabic' we can only leave you with your foly.

Remember I asked you if the Arabic word for 'slave' is the same as the Arabic word for 'with' but you carefully dodged that my challenge. That would have settled the matter wouldn't it?

I don't even understand your question. My mind must have skipped. Anyways, whether i skipped or not i have unconsciously explained to you. I posted arabic texts of the same verse and they both start with same arabic letter.

So now, you said both arabic texts are not the same, onus is not on me until you first tell me alphabetical letter in the arabic text so that i know you understand because i don't want to waste my time. Even if you have to type them in transliteration i will look into it. Now, the reason it looks different to you is bcus you do not have simple knowledge of arabic text. You do you get to see it is same thing and same pronunciation. Problem with you is that you are too lazy to study. This is one thing I usually like about White people. They usually study Arabic and Quran very well before they accept islam. I have met many of them on NYC subway studying arabic text (not Quran but language). Also you can check youtube for
Milahan Philosophers Corner, she is very studious and dedicated young lady. But you are here making fool of yourself.

Empiree:
I don't even understand your question. My mind must have skipped. Anyways, whether i skipped or not i have unconsciously explained to you. I posted arabic texts of the same verse and they both start with same arabic letter.

So now, you said both arabic texts are not the same, onus is not on me until you first tell me alphabetical letter in the arabic text so that i know you understand because i don't want to waste my time. Even if you have to type them in transliteration i will look into it. Now, the reason it looks different to you is bcus you do not have simple knowledge of arabic text. You do you get to see it is same thing and same pronunciation. Problem with you is that you are too lazy to study. This is one thing I usually like about White people. They usually study Arabic and Quran very well before they accept islam. I have met many of them on NYC subway studying arabic text (not Quran but language). Also you can check youtube for
Milahan Philosophers Corner, she is very studious and dedicated young lady. But you are here making fool of yourself.

Please don't let your mind skip.
I clearly HIGHLIGHTED the question. So coming now to say you don't understand sounds funny.

The difference in the verse i noted in the two VERSIONS of the Koran is that one used the word 'slave' while the other used 'with'.

My question then is: Is the Arabic word for 'slave' is the same as the Arabic word for 'with'

sagenaija:
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My question then is: Is the Arabic word for 'slave' is the same as the Arabic word for 'with'

Can you indicate Arabic word that represents "slave" and arabic text that represents "with"

Empiree:
I don't even understand your question. My mind must have skipped. Anyways, whether i skipped or not i have unconsciously explained to you. I posted arabic texts of the same verse and they both start with same arabic letter.

So now, you said both arabic texts are not the same, onus is not on me until you first tell me alphabetical letter in the arabic text so that i know you understand because i don't want to waste my time. Even if you have to type them in transliteration i will look into it. Now, the reason it looks different to you is bcus you do not have simple knowledge of arabic text. You do you get to see it is same thing and same pronunciation. Problem with you is that you are too lazy to study. This is one thing I usually like about White people. They usually study Arabic and Quran very well before they accept islam. I have met many of them on NYC subway studying arabic text (not Quran but language). Also you can check youtube for
Milahan Philosophers Corner, she is very studious and dedicated young lady. But you are here making fool of yourself.

Please don't let your mind skip.
I clearly HIGHLIGHTED the question. So, coming now to say you don't understand sounds funny.

The difference in the verse I noted in the two VERSIONS of the Koran is that one used the word 'slave' while the other used 'with'.

My question is: Is the Arabic word for 'slave' the same as the Arabic word for 'with'?

sagenaija:
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My question is: Is the Arabic word for 'slave' the same as the Arabic word for 'with'?

Arabic word for slave is "abd"

Empiree:
Arabic word for slave is "abd"

Lol your guy doesn't know the difference between "Inda and abd"
I mean the sagenaija guy

Alhajiemeritus:
Lol your guy doesn't know the difference between "Inda and abd"
I mean the sagenaija guy

Are you saying there is a difference?
Please explain it so that he can learn.

Alhajiemeritus:
Lol your guy doesn't know the difference between "Inda and abd"
I mean the sagenaija guy

exactly what I tried to get him to understand. That the second transliteration is incorrect. Just because he copied it from a website doesn't make it right but he doesn't want to take corrections.

It doesn't even have anything to do with Hafs or Warsh. It might be genuine typo error by the writer. That's why it is very important to stick to original Arabic text from Qur'an but he doesn't want that. His problem is he doesn't have basic knowledge of Arabic alphabet. For this reason it is difficult to explain to him.

A new Bible has emerged. It was written and published kumuyi. Bible still a book from God?

Empiree:
exactly what I tried ..... .....

It doesn't even have anything to do with Hafs or Warsh. It might be genuine typo error by the writer. That's why it is very important to stick to original Arabic text from Qur'an but he doesn't want that. His problem is he doesn't have basic knowledge of Arabic alphabet. For this reason it is difficult to explain to him.

There is Hafs version of the Koran.
There is Warsh version of the Koran.
There are over 30 other versions of the Koran.
ALL in Arabic. Not English translations.

Differences between them have been found.

I pointed out one such. You've been going round in a circle and keep talking about my not understanding Arabic.

How come you've not been able to simply explain to readers?

Just simply dismissing you opponent DOES NOT mean you've put up a good argument. Don't you see that?

Guy, do you have comprehension problem?. You posted transliteration not Arabic text. Transliteration you posted is different from original Arabic text. I showed you clearly but you proved stubborn and adamant to correction . What's wrong with you man?. You have been posted original Arabic text to debunk me.

Oh I see, you don't know the meaning of transliteration.

sagenaija:
There is Hafs version of the Koran.
There is Warsh version of the Koran.
There are over 30 other versions of the Koran.
ALL in Arabic. Not English translations.

Differences between them have been found.

I pointed out one such. You've been going round in a circle and keep talking about my not understanding Arabic.

How come you've not been able to simply explain to readers?

Just simply dismissing you opponent DOES NOT mean you've put up a good argument. Don't you see that?

Empiree:
Guy, do you have comprehension problem?. You posted transliteration not Arabic text. Transliteration you posted is different from original Arabic text. I showed you clearly but you proved stubborn and adamant to correction . What's wrong with you man?. You have been posted original Arabic text to debunk me.

Oh I see, you don't know the meaning of transliteration.

Those your questions should actually go to you.

Are you saying that the Hafs and Warsh Arabic versions of the Koran are transliteration?

sagenaija:
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Those your questions should actually go to you.

Are you saying that the Hafs and Warsh Arabic versions of the Koran are transliteration?

I told you that transliteration you posted was incorrect. Two others also spotted the same yet you are still arguing.

You know what, please for God's sake, go and enroll in Arabic school because it will help you a lot. You are just screaming Hafs and Warsh up and down but you actually don't know them.

Again, please enroll in Arabic language course. It will make things easier for you.

Empiree:
I told you that transliteration you posted was incorrect. Two others also spotted the same yet you are still arguing.

You know what, please for God's sake, go and enroll in Arabic school because it will help you a lot. You are just screaming Hafs and Warsh up and down but you actually don't know them.

Again, please enroll in Arabic language course. It will make things easier for you.

This video has some Arabic in it.
You should enjoy it if you keep your mind open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jttz2BhJ690

sagenaija:
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This video has some Arabic in it.
You should enjoy it if you keep your mind open.
https://you....tu.be/jttz2BhJ690

Escape route. I have no business with CP. Am not gonna be arguing with ghost CP. You either make your argument clear here and face me one on one or admit you know nothing about islam

Empiree:
Escape route. I have no business with CP. Am not gonna be arguing with ghost CP. You either make your argument clear here and face me one on one or admit you know nothing about islam

I have never seen or met you. But should that make me assume that you are a ghost? The answer is: No!

Social media has changed things. Many meetings and interactions took place VIRTUALLY in the midst of covid 19 lockdown.

Insisting on SEEING a person's face before you can admit that his arguments are cogent only shows that you are running away from the truth with that lame excuse.

Fortunately others are reading this thread. Some will want to find out why their hero Empiree is running away from Christian Prince. They will go and watch him.

I have made my points. You have been unable to take them on one by one.
There are different versions of Arabic Koran. Not English translation.
There are verses of the same chapter that differ between copies of those Koran versions.
I have shown one (There are many more others) between the Hafs version and the Warsh version. Here in koran 43:19 one version used the word 'slave' and the other used 'with'. That made the meaning different in the two versions.

You have not been able to show that the Arabic words are not different. I DO NOT NEED TO FIRST GO TO ARABIC SCHOOL TO SEE IF THE ARABIC LETTERS AND WORDS YOU WRITE ARE THE SAME OR DIFFERENT.

It shouldn't take more than a few sentences in ENGLISH to explain how, in your argument, they are the same.

I asked you to show explanations through the strokes and markings in the Arabic how they are the same. You HAVE BEEN UNABLE to do that.

But, if I know you, instead of doing what I have done here - i.e. clearly explain your position - what you will do is either to still claim that you have 'REFUTED' me or still ask me to go to Arabic school. So, where does that leave you?

Again, fortunately, others are reading this thread. Empiree, others are reading this thread.

Are you cp?. No. What's my business with CP. That's my point. You keep repeating same thing. I will ignore you soon.

sagenaija:
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I have never seen or met you. But should that make me assume that you are a ghost? The answer is: No!

Social media has changed things. Many meetings and interactions took place VIRTUALLY in the midst of covid 19 lockdown.

Insisting on SEEING a person's face before you can admit that his arguments are cogent only shows that you are running away from the truth with that lame excuse.

Fortunately others are reading this thread. Some will want to find out why their hero Empi.ree is running away from Christian Prince. They will go and watch him.

I have made my points. You have been unable to take them on one by one.
There are different versions of Arabic Koran. Not English translation.
There are verses of the same chapter that differ between copies of those Koran versions.
I have shown one (There are many more others) between the Hafs version and the Warsh version. Here in koran 43:19 one version used the word 'slave' and the other used 'with'. That made the meaning different in the two versions.

You have not been able to show that the Arabic words are not different. I DO NOT NEED TO FIRST GO TO ARABIC SCHOOL TO SEE IF THE ARABIC LETTERS AND WORDS YOU WRITE ARE THE SAME OR DIFFERENT.

It shouldn't take more than a few sentences in ENGLISH to explain how, in your argument, they are the same.

I asked you to show explanations through the strokes and markings in the Arabic how they are the same. You HAVE BEEN UNABLE to do that.

But, if I know you, instead of doing what I have done here - i.e. clearly explain your position - what you will do is either to still claim that you have 'REFUTED' me or still ask me to go to Arabic school. So, where does that leave you?

Again, fortunately, others are reading this thread. Emp.iree, others are reading this thread.

Empiree:
Are you cp?. No. What's my business with CP. That's my point. You keep repeating same thing. I will ignore you soon.

CP, Islam's nightmare!!!

sagenaija:
CP, Islam's nightmare!!!

it means you can not think for yourself. CP does the thinking for you correct?. CP blocks people when he realizes he is at crossroad. So this thread isn't about CP but you that brought this argument.

Empiree:
it means you can not think for yourself. CP does the thinking for you correct?. CP blocks people when he realizes he is at crossroad. So this thread isn't about CP but you that brought this argument.

Say whatever you like.

I suppose you brought ALL your knowledge and intelligence from heaven. You never needed to learn from anyone. But we see you do copy and paste from others here. And here you are saying that I cannot think for myself. Maybe next time you copy and paste from another source I will remind you of this.

CP's post, if relevant to the thread, is a welcome one here. Is that difficult for you to grasp?

CP, Empiree's nightmare!!