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| Re: Does Satan Exist? by budaatum: 3:49pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
All you people insulting one another on here are either possessed by the devil or you just have not mastered self control. One way of seeing makes you responsible for what you do while the other shows how irresponsibly weak you are.
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| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Nobody: 4:06pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Minsk24:Well it's like you are honest and sincere with the question you asked, so let's talk! ![]() Satan is a real person! He has spoken in so many ways but because he's deceptive he will not talk with his prey face to face! In the spirit realms, those who have sold their souls (life) to him do see him and talk to him one on one. That's why you're seeing many people today engaging in rituals! The first thing he is after is to rule the whole world, but he does so using his agents (those who have sold their souls to him). They're everywhere, in Politics, Sports, Entertainment, Religion and Commerce. These people are serving as IDOLS in out midst and billions are worshiping them! You will see many making this IDOLS their role model, trying to speak, act and dress like them. It has even got to the stage where people live their lives like them, most young men are sleeping around with different girls making them babymamas, most young ladies are doing the same with different men sampling different sizes of manhood. So with all of these Satan keeps promoting all sort of sex appeals, hatred, envy, jealousy, Witchcraft, drunkenness and many other evil deeds are carried out on daily basis! Don't ask the perpetrators because the IDOLS are lords in the spirit realms, it's those emulating them that will be caught and punished. The IDOLS are untouchable! ![]() |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 4:29pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:How do you distinguish God from Satan ? Anu ofia |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Kobojunkie: 4:30pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
budaatum:Self-control ke? With egos mightier in some cases than there heads?
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| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Minsk24(op): 4:51pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Maximus69:From what you have said... He wants to rule the world He only speaks to his minions in spiritual realm He has agents in so many fields He is the mastermind of social vices... If what you have said made sense to you, I wanna ask you what God's role is in all Satan's doings... Why is God letting Satan wreck havoc on people he claims to love? |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 5:49pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Maximus69:I could develop a blockbuster movie from these your idea...does somebody here know anybody in a movie industry.. serious money to be made.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 5:50pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Minsk24:Don't mind him jare...sounding wise but foolish.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:53pm On Aug 05, 2020*. Modified: 6:25pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Minsk24:I fear Nothing and No One but The Highest and His Authorities Over me, the man. And Satan is not one of them. My answer to your question was clear, that even though Wickedness and evil is seen and known, you must be null of knowledge to not know that Satan is the king of Wickedness and Counsellor of all evil, enough for you to wonder if he exists. Tueh! Yeah, Wickedness does not exist, so Satan does not exist. And this Answer is based on your Header! You people and your bad writing habit |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:08pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Okwute! I made the distinction and your response was to call me unwell! Now you are asking a question which I already answered. Are in your lucid moments or out of it? Any way I do not care for the answer. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:30pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Minsk24:When a person is caught in the act of Committing a crime, the Crime is Proven Immediately and there is no need to hear from the criminal! See, bad writing skills! You asked a question on one hand without waiting for the answer, you then conclude based on the unanswered question you asked, then you immediately promote your unanswered, untested Conclusion! Kai! Questionnaire, Concluder with no Answer and Promoter all Rolled into one. A man of many callings indeed! |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 10:26am On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Am not going to oblige you... Just continue in your delusions.. Till you tired of it.. That's if you do... Shalom. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 10:29am On Aug 06, 2020*. Modified: 10:44am On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God.. To think so is a big insult against God... He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing.. Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it.. God created evil as a tool for learning..He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices.. And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil. He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choices.. To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came.. So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anything. We still need the laws to guide our actions and speach.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources.. Read Isaiah 45:7 Unlearn and relearn.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 10:35am On Aug 06, 2020 |
It is death that is man's enemy because she can come at any time. She is personified as lucifer, not Satan, not devil.. They represent different aspects of God.. The Bible calls them "the sons of God" while they are called orishas in yoruba and Alusi in igbo... |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:05am On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:I love Knowing and learning and I know when my Knowings is greater than another, which is what is going on here. If you had a valid and solid case, you would never have to resort to insults and ridicule, because Knowledge, Elevates, of which you did not know that knowledge is Know-Ledge meaning Know and be Placed on a Ledge or Elevation. Which is what I have over you and rather than learn and be increased you are rather attempting to reduce me, which I will never allow. "An wicked man seeketh only rebellion; but he that hath knowledge, spareth his words and a man of Understanding is of an Excellent Spirit" |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:30am On Aug 06, 2020*. Modified: 12:30pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:If you Truly knew Who God is, you would know that Holy means Spotless (described in the Bible as Light, in Whom there is NO DARKNESS) meaning No Stain at all. So for saying this, sonmvayina:you do not know God for you stain Him. Which means you do not know (another {YDK} You don't know) "That a thing is Only Good, If, Every Element in it is Good; It Is Bad, if Only One Element, in this case, Satan as you say, it is Bad" The Holy and Good that I know, has no atom of darknesss. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 11:49am On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Isaiah 45:7 says "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil, I the lord do all these things".. Lamentation 3:38-39 says"from where those good and evil comes if not from the mouth of the lord" Either God is lying or you don't understand anything.. You be the judge.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 11:50am On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:OK, so which part of my comment did you not agree with? |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:55am On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:And when you do not know God nor understand his ways, you must make the above statement with your Unfounded propaganda which is still grounded on the Fact That You do not know the Most High God! |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 12:15pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Take each point analyze it and tell me your own opinion or thought.. I am waiting.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:29pm On Aug 06, 2020*. Modified: 1:39pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:I thought you said that the Bible ends in Leviticus, implying that the other books of the Bible are false and irrelevant, thus you do not believe in the Truth of them, then why are you standing on Isaiah? I will patronize you by answering you even though you do not believe in the other books of the Bible so that I could show you that I love answering any reasonable question you could throw without fear and I will never stoop to insults to make my point. So here I go. Great you have said the words "Form" and "Create" which is Always outside the Person. Therefore A Creator is Always Distinct and Separate from His creation like iPhone is not Steve Jobs. Another word you missed is "evil" not Satan. What is the history of Satan in connection to evil? Where we not told that he was an angel, who was Cursed? Cursed with what? his acts shows his curse. Which is why I said Satan is cursed or relegated to eat only evil, exactly for the purpose for which evil was created for. For God and Good cannot touch evil (which is one of the meanings of Holiness) and evil can not touch Good (therefore the everlasting Law of Bonding is established, Good with Good and Evil with evil) And Satan is not sitting down waiting for evil to come so that he can eat, therefore, unlike evil that will not move, exactly as God created it, Satan Moves to cook and stir up evil that he may eat. And this is what happened. So now I am going back to tear your own thinking to shreds while you can try and see if you can tear mine down. You judge that! |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by kkins25(m): 12:34pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:i assume this assertions of yours sprouted from a little bit of info from the judaism and other mythical folklore. Your assertions would have us believe that Ha-satan is a living creature of his on BEING. He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing.. Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it.. God created evil as a tool for learningyou would have us belief that the Devil or Satan is actually a loving servant of God. inorder words, it is God who is actually responsible for all the plaque that man has suffered and not as our Abrahamic brethren have come to believe. This belief of yours may be contended with depending on the ideology of the time or era or your opposer. Afterall, the little knowledge we have of Satan comes from the Abrahamic subscribers and they belief Satan is acting of his own free will. However, it is written that the concept of Satan being the dual-opposite of God was infiltration of judaic religion by Zoroastrian thoughts. Interesting. All along it was Gods doing. God, you tricky Son of ah Beetch. He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices.. And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil. He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choicesI do agree that we have choices and are totally responsible for the choices we make. my little problem is with 'good and evil'. Pls, what is 'good' and what is 'evil'? To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came.. So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anythingOkay! We still need the laws to guide our actions and speech.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources..Laws?from who actually? from men or from God? Read Isaiah 45:7Okay, would do Unlearn and relearn..thats what im doing. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:10pm On Aug 06, 2020*. Modified: 1:45pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Holiness means Power-Full Spotlessness, therefore God can not be associated with any atom of uncleanness. sonmvayina:Evil is created for the purposes of taking away every evil and bad thing so that only Good would remain. Satan and evil became married and rather than wait for evil or bad to occur in its natural process, he goes ahead to provoke the doing of Bads, Wickedness and evil. sonmvayina:We are clearly told the Wills of God, so No one should impose or input any thing and call it God's Will. He has already Shown us or told us His Wills and this is not one of them. sonmvayina:Now you rightly said evil and not Satan. They were formerly different things doing different things when God Created evil. sonmvayina:We were clearly told He Created Us All Good, therefore, the only choices we had to make was Only Good Choices, save only one, Not-good choice. sonmvayina:YOU NOW KNOW that which is Good, to do if you like or that which is bad, to do if you like! sonmvayina:You do not know that This is Another Great Kindness and Goodness of God in Giving us the Bible. Did Noah and family, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Joseph, Job (not an Isrealite) have the Bible or the Commandments with which they could use to please the Lord in their day? No, they did not. In that same period, did God not Judge those who did Good from those who did bad or wicked without the Torah or Bible? He did. So we are still without excuse, with or without the Torah or the Bible, We shall be judged for our doings whether it be Good or it be evil, for We Know the Difference Between Good and Wickedness. So having the Bible is kindness, for God has just delivered unto us the Textbook we need to pass His Exams, if you want! sonmvayina:This part is not necessary for it is a completely a different issue remote to the issue in view and your own personal propaganda, so I am not addressing it here. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 2:41pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:LOL.. You no get one single sense at all.. You are still operating in the physical. For God sake, we are spiritual being dwelling within a physical body made from dust... God is the spirit behind all creation.. Not a man or human being..i said everything God created has a purpose, even what you refer to as Satan.. They only do what God ask them to do.. They do not have a brain to think or make choices.. That luxury was reserved for man God is omni present, meaning everywhere.. Air, river, land trees... Satan is inside the everywhere not independent of it or outside of it.. Same as us, we are part of God, God is part of us... Keep on learning. Both the creator and the creation are one and the same thing.. That is why it is called a UNIverse.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 2:56pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
kkins25:Not necessary a living creature or being,what God's, demons or goddesses represents are personification of natural laws and principles.. Yes they all work for God and report to him. The creator is the head of all power and principalities.. Whatever they do is what he created them for, they are not humans. They don't have brains to think or make choices, that was reserved for man.. Only man was endowed with free will.. Spirit DON'T have that. They only do what God ask them to do.. There must be an expressed permission. Good and evil are only a man's perspective, God knows no such.. We need laws, without which there would be chaos. Don't you think so.? I would never lie with another man's wife, I know some people do it.. I know how I felt when a guy slept with my girlfriend. I was in uniben and she was in ekpoma.. Just imagine that happening to a man that has already paid bride price on a woman.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:28pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Let me start with your last statement, sonmvayina:So Steve Jobs and iPhone are the same thing Or Toyoda and Toyota? Ok, I leave you with your thinking! sonmvayina:I think I understand you now, you call everyone crazy Because You Know You Indeed Are Crazy with your crazy ungrounded opinions. No different from the Otems but of a different variant. So you know that when people hear you, they shall think you wild eyed crazy and insane, so you shoot at them before they realise that you are the crazy one. You already know that you are a Liar but you are here exactly for that purpose which is to fulfil the word of the Lord "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." So it's alright, keep your craze to yourself! |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 6:00pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:LOL.. You did not disprove any of my point oh.. Open your heart and let the spirit guide you.. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life...
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| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:09am On Aug 07, 2020*. Modified: 11:26am On Aug 07, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I Obliterated It and there was no way you could rebut it, which is why you insult.sonmvayina:"People generally insult when they do not have a valid point to make" And I see something now, you are also An Otemite or Atumite in the religion of Otemism! You are not a follower of God through the Commandments as you represented nor do you believe in any book of the Bible. You are just an Antichrists come into the community of the followers of God, Pretending to hold a different view in the service of God ONLY for the purpose of derailing such as are not founded in the body of Christ and to cause them to depart from the way of salvation. Now I understand everything about you and that you are FOS (full of shit) and that is why it comes out of your mouth instead of your anus. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by sonmvayina(m): 9:46am On Aug 07, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Run along now... When the time come for you to wake up.. You will.. Till then you can wallow in your ignorance.. |
| Re: Does Satan Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:28am On Aug 07, 2020 |
sonmvayina:The exact words the conquered and the defeated say ![]() |
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I Obliterated It and there was no way you could rebut it, which is why you insult.